Abortion

[vpchill]

Kids are a Blessing. I have 3 Myself. I agree with choice. Some women arent ready and you should not bring a child in this world if its a bad situation.
JMO

[RA]

#1 on lifes obvious list

Dont kill babies...

..and yes, by this post Im hoping to avoid the whole philosophical discussion. Had it many times.

[jfalco]

Just curious, all you anti-abortion guys, what are your views on evolution?

[spywizard]

Just curious, all you anti-abortion guys, what are your views on evolution?

ah.. now you want to make it a religious debate.. not good..

even the "scientific community" is trying to back away from evolution simply not provable...

[jfalco]

ah.. now you want to make it a religious debate.. not good..

even the "scientific community" is trying to back away from evolution simply not provable...

really? haven't heard this.

Actually my comment was a joke. Didn't think anyone would take the bait.

[spywizard]

really? haven't heard this.

Actually my comment was a joke. Didn't think anyone would take the bait.

Really?? never heard of that?? ever see any evidence of the "missing link?? " or any other evidence that was not based on assumptions??

Carbon dating is based on assumptions, based on the depth in the earth that objects are found..

You can't send an item in and say.. how old is this without that information.. laughable really..

[jfalco]

Really?? never heard of that?? ever see any evidence of the "missing link?? " or any other evidence that was not based on assumptions??

Carbon dating is based on assumptions, based on the depth in the earth that objects are found..

You can't send an item in and say.. how old is this without that information.. laughable really..

Carbon dating is not based on any assumption. It is based on the half life of different isotopes of carbon, which is well known. It has nothing to do with the depth of the earth. Good try though.

This fun. You're proving my point.

[ghettoboyd]

back when i was like 19 or 20 my girlfriend at the time became pregnant.we disscussed the situation and felt neithr of us was mature enough or had the money to take care of a baby,so she had an abortion.neither one of us are proud of what we did and i still live in regret and think about it everyday.if the baby would have been born it would be like 16 or 17 today....i wish i could take back waht we did and i have to live with it for the rest of my life.i hope ther will be a chance for me to meet him/her and say im sorry in the afterlife. untill then karma will keep kicking me in the ass.

[D7M]

It's pretty safe to say that any culture or society that willfully condones the elimination of their young isn't heading for greatness.

so it doesn't have to be a religious thing.

a good argument can be made against abortion on purely sociological grounds.

[Pete789]

Ya go to admit it m8........ its a loaded question.

Womans choice

freedom of sexuality

[jfalco]

It's pretty safe to say that any culture or society that willfully condones the elimination of their young isn't heading for greatness.

so it doesn't have to be a religious thing.

a good argument can be made against abortion on purely sociological grounds.

Yet for some reason it is almost exclusively made by religious people.

[jfalco]

Really?? never heard of that?? ever see any evidence of the "missing link?? " or any other evidence that was not based on assumptions??

Carbon dating is based on assumptions, based on the depth in the earth that objects are found..

You can't send an item in and say.. how old is this without that information.. laughable really..

Creationism, OTOH, is based on a book writen in a time when people assumed the earth was flat and at the center of the universe and that the sun revolved around the earth. What was I thinking?

Personally I think the Romans had it just about as right as any other religion, and they thought zeus was throwing down lightning from Mt. Olympus.

[vpchill]

Condoms!!!! BirthControl!!! I dont use either, But you should

[mho]

Really?? never heard of that?? ever see any evidence of the "missing link?? " or any other evidence that was not based on assumptions??

Carbon dating is based on assumptions, based on the depth in the earth that objects are found..

You can't send an item in and say.. how old is this without that information.. laughable really..

It's actually based on half life of Carbon14. But Carbon14 levels have not been constant throughout the history of the planet, and so it's all based on a guesstimate. I remember a story on the news a few years back about a college student that sent some pig bones that he got from his parents farm into a university in California for carbon dating. He got a letter back saying the bones were thousands of years old (can't remember the exact number).

It seems like most science is based upon theory based upon theory based upon theory.

[jfalco]

[QUOTE=mho;4610892]It's actually based on half life of Carbon14. But Carbon14 levels have not been constant throughout the history of the planet, and so it's all based on a guesstimate.
[QUOTE]

Can you back this up?

C14 is produced when solar radiation reacts with nitrogen. So as long as the atmosphere was made of mostly nitrogen and the sun was up there doing its thing, C14 levels have been approximately constant. Christian lobby constantly tries to use claim that C14 levels are not consistant in an attempt to debunk carbon dating, because the alternative is admitting that their foolish little book is a fantasy. Unfortunately there is zero science to back up their claims. On top of that C14 is not the only radio isotope out there and several others have been used to produce data which is in close agreement with the data from carbon dating. Radio isotope dating is an estimate, but it is a reliable estimate. It is not a guestimate.

[RA]

Just aching to attack religion hey?

Yet for some reason it is almost exclusively made by religious people.

[Schmidty]

honestly fvck it we have to many ppl on our planet anyhow so why not taake care of it

[Dukkit]

few of my girls had abortions

or miscarriages

the one abortion was against my wishes. she did it before i knew about it

im for it and against it

i understand that ppl would get them. and i understand why ppl are against them

there is no wrong or right. it comes down to a situation to situation basis

[vpchill]

Im all for Abortions up until 15 yrs old. I feel if your child is bad as hell or an idiot you should be able to abort him/her before they turn 18

[RA]

Right...so why dont you off yourself and make some room?

To me this is an ignorant statement.

honestly fvck it we have to many ppl on our planet anyhow so why not taake care of it

[Flagg]

honestly fvck it we have to many ppl on our planet anyhow so why not taake care of it

Well according to this thread, the population is actually in decline and only Muslims are sustaining us all! LOL
Goodbye Europe and Sovereign Nations

One day there will be a law where dying is just plain unacceptable and funerals will be deemed illegal.

[RA]

Just the opposite is on the way. When the gov't controls our healthcare, we will have formulas to decide who gets treatment and if you dont fit the formula you go home and die.

Well according to this thread, the population is actually in decline and only Muslims are sustaining us all! LOL
Goodbye Europe and Sovereign Nations

One day there will be a law where dying is just plain unacceptable and funerals will be deemed illegal.

[jfalco]

Just aching to attack religion hey?

Sorry. Sometimes I get carried away.

I think that religion can be blamed for most of the problems humanity is facing today. I'm scared shitless about the situation in Pakistan. I blame christianity for G.W. Bush's reign of terror. Through out history religion has been used to justify any manor of atrocity. So yes I am aching to attack religion.

But you guys don't need to hear me rant.

I'll leave this thread alone from now on. You all know what I think.

[Flagg]

Sorry. Sometimes I get carried away.

I think that religion can be blamed for most of the problems humanity is facing today. I'm scared shitless about the situation in Pakistan. I blame christianity for G.W. Bush's reign of terror. Through out history religion has been used to justify any manor of atrocity. So yes I am aching to attack religion.

But you guys don't need to hear me rant.

I'll leave this thread alone from now on. You all know what I think.

While I don't like religion either and I see it as a hinderance to human development, I don't think the human race would be better off without it. People would just find another excuse to be intollerant of others.

[Schmidty]

Right...so why dont you off yourself and make some room?

To me this is an ignorant statement.

This cat made a thread asking our opinion and im ignorant for disagreeing with u.

[RA]

I watched a study once where people were put into a room and not told what the study was about. They mingled, chatted, etc. Then an hour later they were given either a blue shirt or a red shirt. To make a long story short the blue shirted people ended up fighting with the red shirted people..each was loyal to there own color.

Religion doesnt have anything to do with mans problems.

[RA]

Not for disagreeing with me. For your lack of compassion for humans in general. Its like saying I hope a bunch of people get wiped out by the swine flu because we need to thin the herd.

This cat made a thread asking our opinion and im ignorant for disagreeing with u.

[Schmidty]

Those are my thoughts on it exactly.

[Schmidty]

U can say im a ignorant dick for not haven enough compassion for humans but i could say ur a selfish dick for thinking humans have so many more rights then everthing else on this planet. U have ur thoughts and i have mine to each ther own and if ur pro choise then so be it dont have a girl get one but i know im not about to bring a kid in this fvckd up world. To each ther own boss

[RA]

So, back to my original response to you. If we are so overpopulated (which we are not) why dont you off yourself and make some room?

Those are my thoughts on it exactly.

[RA]

So your comparing turkeys to humans.

Thats messed up...boss

U can say im a ignorant dick for not haven enough compassion for humans but i could say ur a selfish dick for thinking humans have so many more rights then everthing else on this planet. U have ur thoughts and i have mine to each ther own and if ur pro choise then so be it dont have a girl get one but i know im not about to bring a kid in this fvckd up world. To each ther own boss

[Hunter]

Sorry. Sometimes I get carried away.

I think that religion can be blamed for most of the problems humanity is facing today. I'm scared shitless about the situation in Pakistan. I blame christianity for G.W. Bush's reign of terror. Through out history religion has been used to justify any manor of atrocity. So yes I am aching to attack religion.

But you guys don't need to hear me rant.

I'll leave this thread alone from now on. You all know what I think.

You do understand people use race as religion also. Skinheads, neo nazi's, nazi's say race is my religion?

Why?

In recent genocides its actually been race that has caused genocide.

[mho]

Can you back this up?

C14 is produced when solar radiation reacts with nitrogen. So as long as the atmosphere was made of mostly nitrogen and the sun was up there doing its thing, C14 levels have been approximately constant. Christian lobby constantly tries to use claim that C14 levels are not consistant in an attempt to debunk carbon dating, because the alternative is admitting that their foolish little book is a fantasy. Unfortunately there is zero science to back up their claims. On top of that C14 is not the only radio isotope out there and several others have been used to produce data which is in close agreement with the data from carbon dating. Radio isotope dating is an estimate, but it is a reliable estimate. It is not a guestimate.

I looked for that story for a few seconds, couldn't find it. I'm not religious, but common sense tells me not to put too much faith in a method that is based on an unprovable theory. On top of that, scientists are proving themselves wrong on a daily basis.

[ni4ni]

keep going gents...it's getting good!

[Flagg]

I looked for that story for a few seconds, couldn't find it. I'm not religious, but common sense tells me not to put too much faith in a method that is based on an unprovable theory. On top of that, scientists are proving themselves wrong on a daily basis.

Who needs science when we can just say:

"God works in mysterious ways"

and

"It is not for man to understand the ways of God"

Im just going to put my tooth under my pillow and wear a necklace of garlic before I go to sleep.

[mho]

Who needs science when we can just say:

"God works in mysterious ways"

and

"It is not for man to understand the ways of God"

Im just going to put my tooth under my pillow and wear a necklace of garlic before I go to sleep.

Why did you quote me? Nothing you said has any relevance to my statement.

[Flagg]

Why did you quote me? Nothing you said has any relevance to my statement.

Because of what you said about not putting faith in scientific method. Science is a continualy evolving method, there is no such thing as scientific fact, things just get scientifically verified.

But Science has opened up the worlds eyes a Hell of a lot more than religion has.

I'll place my faith in science over the Bibles.

[ni4ni]

whos turn is it now...

[D7M]

it was inevitable that this thread would turn religious

[ni4ni]

it was inevitable that this thread would turn religious

just a matter of time...u r correct!!