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[Mr.Rose]

I like your proposed doses a lot, but is 2 weeks enough to deload? Even with the short esters? I thought 4 was minimum, 6 was recommended?

I'm impatient .

But that's why i am considering upping both tren and test to 1000mg each after 3 weeks into the reload, that way the receptors can still do their job.

[Mr.Rose]

Me being the nerd that I am I created a graph of the cycle too.

Black: Test P
Blue: Tren A
Red: Mast P

You can see the two week dip in the test p, this wouldn't happen with a longer ester

[TheCamel]

Ok I want some personal opinions. Should i bump my tren from 700 to 1000mg per week?

My cycle is:

Week 1-7:

Test P: 500mg/week
Tren A: 700mg/week

Week 7-9:

Test P: 350mg/week

Week 9-18:

Test P : 700mg/week
Tren A : 700mg/week
Mast P : 500mg/ week

PCT, 8 week, nolva/clomid/adex

This cycle may look weird, but its marcus's load, deload, reload idea. I think its really good, I have now finished my deload (AKA I am up to the BLUE part now, 8 weeks in), and have just started my first reload injection today.

SO:

I was thinking, for 3 weeks into the reload, keep tren AND test at 700mg, then bump BOTH to 1000mg whilst keeping mast at 500mg.

The bumping is to stimulate androgen/anabolic receptors that are beginning to down regulate, that is what the deload does too.

But yes, bump them or keep the same?

Hit me bitches.

Oh and injections are daily (ED).

I would run masteron from beginning to the end including deload which I would run for 4 weeks.

I would keep them the same, no bumping, but add from the deload part (including it) hgh at 4 iu ed (8 iu if you can afford it), till the end of pct and beyond if possible.

[Knockout_Power]

I'm impatient .

But that's why i am considering upping both tren and test to 1000mg each after 3 weeks into the reload, that way the receptors can still do their job.

not critisising bro... I know what impatience is like. And I have no experience with load-unload-reload so Im really interested in how this turns out for you.

[Mr.Rose]

I would run masteron from beginning to the end including deload which I would run for 4 weeks.

I would keep them the same, no bumping, but add from the deload part (including it) hgh at 4 iu ed (8 iu if you can afford it), till the end of pct and beyond if possible.

I would of too, but only just acquired the mast, so though i might throw it in. Mast is well knows for upregulating Androgen receptors, so i should of. Yup, but you can see with my graph, that for two whole weeks, test is dropped, this will upregulate my receptors, 4 week deloads are for longer esters. Nah, i would never run HGH for less than 4-6 months, its worthless, no offense, but i see you say beyond, which indicates longer than 8 weeks. I'm only 20 years old, so I don't want to hit HGH because of the risk of organ enlargement.

[Mr.Rose]

not critisising bro... I know what impatience is like. And I have no experience with load-unload-reload so Im really interested in how this turns out for you.

No the chair hitter, was hitting me, not you, I'm the impatient once.

Neither do i, this is why i am trying it out, but Marcus seems on the ball here with his theory. So lets test (no pun intended) it out. Ill give you my verdict in 8 weeks.

Well first of all strength increases were through the roof for the first 8 weeks! But i stayed the same weights (117kg), but dropped from 12% BF to 7.8% BF in the 8 weeks, WHILST consuming ~5000cal a day. I love tren ! So that means i replaced Fat Mas with LBM.

I was also on 100mcg of clen first 4 weeks, and 50mcg t3 first 6 weeks.

[Knockout_Power]

I'm only 20 years old.

oh no, do you know what this means!... people are going to have to get all pissed off and blah blah blah

[Mr.Rose]

oh no, do you know what this means!... people are going to have to get all pissed off and blah blah blah

I am open about my age, and do not recommend any one my age do cycle's. I weighed the pro's and cons, and the pro's far exceed the cons, in regard to my job and my sporting career and general life.

[Knockout_Power]

But i stayed the same weights (117kg), but dropped from 12% BF to 7.8% BF in the 8 weeks, WHILST consuming ~5000cal a day. I love tren ! So that means i replaced Fat Mas with LBM.
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nice. I didnt get that low BF my first round of tren, only ran 250 test and 350 Tren A, but I did drop from about 12% to 9% and went up half a dozen lbs in 8 weeks. Really liked that cycle. Cant wait to see the reuslts of my current. Starting week 4 tomorrow so I should start seeing the heavier results shortly.

[Mr.Rose]

nice. I didnt get that low BF my first round of tren, only ran 250 test and 350 Tren A, but I did drop from about 12% to 9% and went up half a dozen lbs in 8 weeks. Really liked that cycle. Cant wait to see the reuslts of my current. Starting week 4 tomorrow so I should start seeing the heavier results shortly.

Whats your cycle like now? Long ester? Even with prop, i don't get the big results till week 4+.

[Knockout_Power]

and 5000 cals, I would have to eat icecream everyday to get there. Im forcing down almost 4000 currently and its not easy

[Mr.Rose]

and 5000 cals, I would have to eat icecream everyday to get there. Im forcing down almost 4000 currently and its not easy

I'm 117kg, that's about 260lbs. So for me to eat that much is nooooo problem. I mean, i eat 10 meals a day, i can easily eat 1000cal of real food in each meal. I am a clean bulker btw.

[Knockout_Power]

Whats your cycle like now? Long ester? Even with prop, i don't get the big results till week 4+.

For me this is my "heaviest" cycle, to many its a joke. Ive tweaked it a bit and added 2 weeks at the advice of many...

1-12 Sust 600/wk (Test prop40%, PP40%, cyp20%)
1-10 NPP 450/wk
1-10 Tren E 500/wk

Ive also got some winny tabs that Im itching to add during the last 6 weeks

[Mr.Rose]

No wonder you can't eat 5000cal, you look like your 80lbs in your DP.

[Knockout_Power]

I'm 117kg, that's about 260lbs. So for me to eat that much is nooooo problem. I mean, i eat 10 meals a day, i can easily eat 1000cal of real food in each meal. I am a clean bulker btw.

I maintain @ around 1900cals so Im trying to double it this cycle and its not easy, I usually top out around 3500. Its fairly clean until cheat day. Had to add in more red meat to hit protein goals which Im not too happy about

[Mr.Rose]

For me this is my "heaviest" cycle, to many its a joke. Ive tweaked it a bit and added 2 weeks at the advice of many...

1-12 Sust 600/wk (Test prop40%, PP40%, cyp20%)
1-10 NPP 450/wk
1-10 Tren E 500/wk

Ive also got some winny tabs that Im itching to add during the last 6 weeks

No its good thats your heaviest cycle, that means you don't need that must AAS to grow. See people that start at 500, then 750 then 1000, they need more and more each time to grow, but if like you, the ramp it up slowley you get to get similar effects with lower doses.

I never tried nor read much about NPP, but i like the sust, tren E combo. Let me know how the cycle goes!

I would be careful with the winny, i tried it first time ever in my first cycle, and i couldnt squat or dead! And i train stongman/powerlifter style, but i am neither, i am a strength athlete, not a bodybuilder either.

[Mr.Rose]

I maintain @ around 1900cals so Im trying to double it this cycle and its not easy, I usually top out around 3500. Its fairly clean until cheat day. Had to add in more red meat to hit protein goals which Im not too happy about

Hmm, do you just not have an appetite? or get full too fast? Try stuffing you face, your body takes 10min to release the content of the stomach, so slow eaters get fuller faster. Also if its appetite, then try B12 and B-complex injections, i mean they make me very hungry. No way i can maintain at 2000cal, lol, that's what i do to cut, actually i cut at 3000 and add clen and t3. , so its like im eating 2000-2500cal. My protien intake is 400+ grams a day. Maybe you fill yourself with too much complex carbs?

How many shakes do you have a day? I would have a casein with breakfast, a whey concentrate with pre/post gym and a casein before bed. These are pure powders BTW, not store bought ones.

[Charlie6]

hey whores

[TheCamel]

I would of too, but only just acquired the mast, so though i might throw it in. Mast is well knows for upregulating Androgen receptors, so i should of. Yup, but you can see with my graph, that for two whole weeks, test is dropped, this will upregulate my receptors, 4 week deloads are for longer esters. Nah, i would never run HGH for less than 4-6 months, its worthless, no offense, but i see you say beyond, which indicates longer than 8 weeks. I'm only 20 years old, so I don't want to hit HGH because of the risk of organ enlargement.

Jesus Christ man only 20yo!!!
Why are you planning to do such a heavy cycle?

[Bertuzzi]

Drive by whoring.... this thread got too serious all of a sudden.

[Bertuzzi]

Jesus Christ man only 20yo!!!
Why are you planning to do such a heavy cycle?

Well Camel face.... Mr.Rose is Special and thats just the way we like it.

[Ernst]

Happy 4th of July you foreign bastards.

This is on eof the days when the weirdos come out of the woodwork. People who I am like "No ****ing way we come from the same America."

[Ernst]

Like this:

[Knockout_Power]

Hmm, do you just not have an appetite? or get full too fast? Try stuffing you face, your body takes 10min to release the content of the stomach, so slow eaters get fuller faster. Also if its appetite, then try B12 and B-complex injections, i mean they make me very hungry. No way i can maintain at 2000cal, lol, that's what i do to cut, actually i cut at 3000 and add clen and t3. , so its like im eating 2000-2500cal. My protien intake is 400+ grams a day. Maybe you fill yourself with too much complex carbs?

How many shakes do you have a day? I would have a casein with breakfast, a whey concentrate with pre/post gym and a casein before bed. These are pure powders BTW, not store bought ones.

I keep my carbs under 100g/day and run them to about 200 twice a week. I dont take shakes. The only time I use whey shakes is when I make myself a quick PWO meal. I take a bowl of all bran and grapenuts and pour on a cup of water blended with 2 scoops whey powder.

[Bertuzzi]

Happy 4th of July you foreign bastards.

This is on eof the days when the weirdos come out of the woodwork. People who I am like "No ****ing way we come from the same America."

Ya, that same shit happens here too Just go to Walmart

[Charlie6]

No its good thats your heaviest cycle, that means you don't need that must AAS to grow. See people that start at 500, then 750 then 1000, they need more and more each time to grow, but if like you, the ramp it up slowley you get to get similar effects with lower doses.

I never tried nor read much about NPP, but i like the sust, tren E combo. Let me know how the cycle goes!

I would be careful with the winny, i tried it first time ever in my first cycle, and i couldnt squat or dead! And i train stongman/powerlifter style, but i am neither, i am a strength athlete, not a bodybuilder either.

I know, its almost scary. People need to focus more on proper utilization of lower doses, muscle stimulation, diet etc

I don't ever plan on going up to a gram of test

and i really wanna try tren but it terrifies me

what about oral tren, anyone try that?

[Bertuzzi]

then you post up a picture of a girl in Walmart.... WTF... that is too funny!

[Knockout_Power]

wassup Bert... happy 3 days after Canada Day!!!

[Bertuzzi]

I was in Walmart last night for some unknown reason.... I only go there like 4 times a year because of the freaks. I was there at 11:30pm and there were like 3000 people in there..... all 100 pounds over weight and 3 weeks past shower time.

[Bertuzzi]

wassup Bert... happy 3 days after Canada Day!!!

yes.... you too. How was your Canada day? Have fun in Calgary or was it a waste?

[Knockout_Power]

and i really wanna try tren but it terrifies me

thats good, it should definately be respected... my first time around was 350/wk with 250/wk Test.

what about oral tren, anyone try that?

thats next on my list, but I will tread very lightly on that one

[Mr.Rose]

Jesus Christ man only 20yo!!!
Why are you planning to do such a heavy cycle?

Your behind, I've already finished my deload, I'm reloading now!

If you knew about my job, sport career, and life goals, then you would understand. I however DO NOT recommend cycles at my age to anyone.

[Mr.Rose]

thats good, it should definately be respected... my first time around was 350/wk with 250/wk Test.



thats next on my list, but I will tread very lightly on that one

Why is tren scary?

I mean, i know the feeling of dying when you cough your god dam insides out, i know that too god damn well, but apart from that?

Yeh i want to try this oral tren, i mean at 2mg doses a day only!! Thats insane, but my poor poor liver!

[Knockout_Power]

yes.... you too. How was your Canada day? Have fun in Calgary or was it a waste?

didnt get into the club we went to cause I didnt have ID and I was wearing track pants... ended up taking a cab home around midnight and took my anger out on a roided up shitkickin hick outside of Denny's. Cal says its the Tren , Im more inclined to say its cause Im an asshole and he blew smoke in my face while I was walking in... guess I could have just asked him to not do it, or appologise....

got to hang with Cal for a couple hours and he got to feel what having me pour drinks is like... he's funny as hell. I'll go back thins month or he will come here, either or.

[Mr.Rose]

I know, its almost scary. People need to focus more on proper utilization of lower doses, muscle stimulation, diet etc

I don't ever plan on going up to a gram of test

and i really wanna try tren but it terrifies me

what about oral tren, anyone try that?

Yup like KP is doing. Lets give him a hi five!

Or a group hug.

Im cool either way.... (please be a hug)

[Charlie6]

I'm only 22, have a few cycles under my belt

i'm also cruising on test

[Mr.Rose]

didnt get into the club we went to cause I didnt have ID and I was wearing track pants... ended up taking a cab home around midnight and took my anger out on a roided up shitkickin hick outside of Denny's. Cal says its the Tren , Im more inclined to say its cause Im an asshole and he blew smoke in my face while I was walking in... guess I could have just asked him to not do it, or appologise....

got to hang with Cal for a couple hours and he got to feel what having me pour drinks is like... he's funny as hell. I'll go back thins month or he will come here, either or.

Im jealous of you mother fvcker! How scary looking is cal ay?

[Bertuzzi]

didnt get into the club we went to cause I didnt have ID and I was wearing track pants... ended up taking a cab home around midnight and took my anger out on a roided up shitkickin hick outside of Denny's. Cal says its the Tren , Im more inclined to say its cause Im an asshole and he blew smoke in my face while I was walking in... guess I could have just asked him to not do it, or appologise....

got to hang with Cal for a couple hours and he got to feel what having me pour drinks is like... he's funny as hell. I'll go back thins month or he will come here, either or.

Ya.... I think he is coming here in the next couple weeks.... I'll make myself available at some point.

[Ernst]

If people take time to weigh the pros and cons and truly understand the decision they're making that is, IMO, a lot different than the jackasses who fill the Q&A every day.

[Charlie6]

hells yes, a group hug indeed!


hey, on a side note, everyone needs to check outmy new thread in the lounge, the motivational videos are the best

so is the milos traingin videos, they'll change your LIFE MAN