Secondhand smoke

[Gaspari1255]

And bronzer arent you th one that was contemplating being a cop?

U have the perfect mentality of a f*ckn cop in the us. U really dont care about individual rights. U would make a great cop bro

I can see you being the stereotypical "I know my rights, I know my rights, I know my rights!!!" guy in the U.S. Then when you get tased or nailed with a baton is when you'll finally keep your mouth shut.

[zaggahamma]

damn i forgot seoinage was the op

sorry bro

i meant you should do the fan thing and blow that shit back

[phoenix44]

OH REALLY? Have you heard of this newly discovered strange phenomenon known as "secondhand smoke"?

"During prenatal development, the nervous system may be more susceptible to environmental toxicants, such as secondhand smoke. The authors assessed the effects of prenatal and postnatal secondhand smoke exposure on the neurodevelopment of 6-month infants. The subjects were 414 mother and infant pairs with no medical problems, taken from the Mothers'' and Children''s Environmental Health study. Prenatal and postnatal exposures to secondhand smoke were determined using maternal self-reports. Examiners, unaware of exposure history, assessed the infants at 6 months of age using the Bayley Scales of Infant Development. Bayley scores were compared for secondhand smoke exposed and unexposed groups after adjusting for potential confounders. Multiple logistic regression analysis was carried out to estimate the risk of developmental delay posed by SHS exposure. The multivariate model included residential area, maternal age, pre-pregnancy body mass index, education, income, infant sex, parity, birth weight, and type of feeding. After adjusting for covariates, secondhand smoke exposure during pregnancy was found to be related to a decrease in mental developmental index score, but not to a decrease in psychomotor developmental index score. In addition, secondhand smoke exposure during pregnancy was found to increase the risk of developmental delay (mental developmental index score <=85) at 6 months. This study suggests that the infants of non-smoking women exposed to secondhand smoke are at risk of neurodevelopmental delay" (1Department of Preventive Medicine and Medical Research Institute, School of Medicine, Ewha Womans University, 911-1)

Didn't the OP say is wife is pregnant? Oh yes he did. But I guess the excerpt from the article I posted above is just a bunch of hogwash and secondhand smoke coming over a fence is harmless right?

The amount of smoke coming over a fence while OUTSIDE. Is going to be so minimal .
I don't smoke never have never will but if my neighbor would come over and tell me to stop doing something like grilling out( which is exact same still produces smoke) I would laugh my ass off at them. But then again that's why I moved to 2 acres so I don't have to deal with neighbors.

[Gaspari1255]

The amount of smoke coming over a fence while OUTSIDE. Is going to be so minimal .
I don't smoke never have never will but if my neighbor would come over and tell me to stop doing something like grilling out( which is exact same still produces smoke) I would laugh my ass off at them. But then again that's why I moved to 2 acres so I don't have to deal with neighbors.

Is a fence supposed to block out smoke? No. If the hewa is chain smoking 15-25x a day, it's the same thing as her smoking in YOUR backyard.

[phoenix44]

Is a fence supposed to block out smoke? No. If the hewa is chain smoking 15-25x a day, it's the same thing as her smoking in YOUR backyard.

It's OUTSIDE it's gonna dissipate. She's not smoking in the guys house.

I hate smoking but it's her house period . nothing anyone can do. Does it suck sure, 2 options move or get over it.

[zaggahamma]

Or fans

[JD250]

Hide in the bushes and shoot her fat ass with a paintball gun or...... calmly start a conversation with her over the fence and when she gets close enough reach over and pop her with a stun gun right on one of her nipples or......sneak over and fill her ash trays with black powder or.....take all the tires off her many cars and stack them on her front porch or......piss in a cup and throw it on her when she lights up then tell her you thought she was on fire and was just trying to be helpful or.....buy an electric fencer and run a wire over to where she sits to smoke or.......tell her the corner market has a special on cigs, 2 for 1, then when she leaves to go get some more, burn her house down. Just a few suggestions to try.

[SexySweetheart]

op...
get some bushes or flowering trees/bushes too line your yard with..flower boxes under your windows

it will cut down on your hearing the "noise" from her mouth and the lilac or what ever flowers will mute out the ciggy smoke...mix some ever grees plants in between if your a new englanderAttachment 122389Attachment 122390
cant change her or her habbits ~ only how you respond or how you let them effect you

*the Arbor society used to let members order sapling s for minimal cost/ you could join


"plant a tree today" lol

[spywizard]

she's old and will be dead soon.. take solice..

[JD250]

If you decide to shoot her with a paintball gun make sure your kids video it from the roof.

[lovbyts]

I'm a ex part time smoker meaning I never smoked much, not more than 1/2 pack a day max. I never have really given much though to 2nd hand smoke. It really doesnt bother me unless its a LOT and typically I have always though the 2nd hand smoke thing was blown out of proportion.

One of my best friends is up visiting his dad who is in the hospital after surgery. He had part of his colon removed and his bladder along with other stuff due to cancer. He will have to pee into a bag for the rest of his life however long that is. This type of cancer is directly related to smoking or in his case 2nd hand smoke since he never smoked himself but growing up his parents were heavy smokers. SAD...

I for one never smoked around my kids and from now on will avoid being around 2nd hand smoke more.

[zaggahamma]

government makes so much money from the taxes it ties their greedy hands when trying to make laws that should keep the public safe from that shiat...
like i wish the law in nj stated above was here in florida...nope..right outside restaurant doors scum are ablazin

[jasc]

Hide in the bushes and shoot her fat ass with a paintball gun or...... calmly start a conversation with her over the fence and when she gets close enough reach over and pop her with a stun gun right on one of her nipples or......sneak over and fill her ash trays with black powder or.....take all the tires off her many cars and stack them on her front porch or......piss in a cup and throw it on her when she lights up then tell her you thought she was on fire and was just trying to be helpful or.....buy an electric fencer and run a wire over to where she sits to smoke or.......tell her the corner market has a special on cigs, 2 for 1, then when she leaves to go get some more, burn her house down. Just a few suggestions to try.

Some damn good ideas.. especially the black powder in the ashtray..

What about some underground sprinklers? put them at the edge of your property with the fine nozzles for distance and accidentally turn them to face her house.. when she lights up, flip the switch n bam! fire extinguished...

[JJ78]

I can see you being the stereotypical "I know my rights, I know my rights, I know my rights!!!" guy in the U.S. Then when you get tased or nailed with a baton is when you'll finally keep your mouth shut.

And you would be the type of cop that would get followed home one night after your shift and get shot in the back of the head in your driveway. You better have your cop budies with you when you pull out a baton on me buddy.

[JJ78]

Theres no point in even trying to discuss anything with 20 somethings anymore. Totally blind to what is going on around you. Damn this country is going to shit if you are the type to uphold the law

[JP-MAN]

just ignorant people here.

complaining about smoke in a casino or outside.....
bronzer, if u are so worried about second hand smoke, and hate all smokers, how the hell will u be able to work in a casino night club?

[Gaspari1255]

And you would be the type of cop that would get followed home one night after your shift and get shot in the back of the head in your driveway. You better have your cop budies with you when you pull out a baton on me buddy.

Yes. Shoot me in the back of the head. Go to jail and face a life sentence just so you can hold on to your "pride" or should I say "ego"? You could sit in a cell the rest of your life knowing that you showed me whose boss, right? I think I've had 2 or 3 guns waved in my faced from bouncing (One was a sawed off shotgun that Haz was there to witness). I've probably been threatened to get shot over 200x, but guess what, I'm still here

[Gaspari1255]

just ignorant people here.

complaining about smoke in a casino or outside.....
bronzer, if u are so worried about second hand smoke, and hate all smokers, how the hell will u be able to work in a casino night club?

In Atlantic City, not sure about Vegas, you cannot smoke in ANY clubs, lounges, or restaurants, and there is a designated area on the Casino floor where you are allowed to smoke. It's literally like a big glass cube with one way in and one way out where all the chain smokers hurry to. OR people who would like to smoke and gamble at the same time have a separate, secluded section with minimal table games and slots where they are allowed to smoke. I think it's less than 1/4 of the Casino floor. If you are caught lighting up a cigarette outside of the designated area, you are asked to leave the venue immediately.

From the Casinos point of view, it was a tough decision to make. But I do see both sides of the argument. You have a high roller coming to the same Casino every weekend dropping 50k+ on the blackjack tables, and what if he stops going there because he's sick of breathing in secondhand smoke?

Now you have another high roller who is pissed off that he cannot smoke while gambling and decides to stop coming to AC...


double edged sword.


The Revel, new Casino that just opened in AC is totally smoke free, with the exception of an out door section for people in the nightclub.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/newest-...139146279.html

[JJ78]

Maybe ur on to something Your probably should start keeping your mouth shut and mind your own business. Grow up dude. I can understand saying someting if its a house full of people partying all night and inerferring with your way of life, but some cig smoke out in the open air some of which blows over into your yard. Really cant be all that bad.

And like Sexy said plant some tall groing bushes like Viburnum that will not only block out noise but the smoke also.

Bronzer not trying to get into an internet fight with you bro, but you need to open your eyes and look at things from all perspectives. Like the one poster said about grilling out. Breathing in that smoke is probably not good for you either.

All im saying is fix the problem on your side of the fence before you start asking people to alter their lifestyle to better suit yours.

[Gaspari1255]

Maybe ur on to something Your probably should start keeping your mouth shut and mind your own business. Grow up dude. I can understand saying someting if its a house full of people partying all night and inerferring with your way of life, but some cig smoke out in the open air some of which blows over into your yard. Really cant be all that bad.

And like Sexy said plant some tall groing bushes like Viburnum that will not only block out noise but the smoke also.

Bronzer not trying to get into an internet fight with you bro, but you need to open your eyes and look at things from all perspectives. Like the one poster said about grilling out. Breathing in that smoke is probably not good for you either.

All im saying is fix the problem on your side of the fence before you start asking people to alter their lifestyle to better suit yours.

This is my rebuttal to the BBQ/grilling debate. How many people realistically have a BBQ every day? I'd be willing to be very few. Now, how many of those people have a BBQ 25-40x a day? I'd bet zero. Chain smokers are usually good for 2 packs of cigarettes a day. Now since I don't smoke, I really don't know how many are in a pack, I'd guess somewhere around 15-20? The point I am trying to make is the OP could suck it up and deal with the smell of a BBQ once a day. It sounds like this lady is a habitual offender and the amount of smoke coming onto his property is non stop...

[phoenix44]

I'm going to do an experiment and stand outside 40 ft from someone smoking and see how bad it is. I'm allergic to smoke and have asthma and I doubt it has any effect on me I'll let you know after I find someone smoking today

[SEOINAGE]

Non smoker for 43 years,

While the smell is nasty, the amount of actual harmful smoke coming into your house or yard from her smoking outside is very minimal so no need to worry. As far as the langauge that is a different matter altogether, if she is talking loud enough for you to hear it withing your domain I would politely tell her that you are sure she is not aware but your kids can hear her from your yard and that you are sure she would not want to subject your kids to bad language at that age.

If she is White Trash and says don't fvkn worry about it....well game on!

Really though while you could get all bent out of shape and aim a leafblower at her yard with the oil mix at 10 to 1 instead of 50 to 1 ( noisy smoke screen setting) this would set a really bad example for your kids....not that I think you would actually go to that extreme, point I am trying to make is to explain to your kids that this is one of the downsides of living in a free society that we occasionally have to live with things that are objectionable and often should not be done, just explain that for the freedoms we do enjoy its a small price to pay.

Yeah likely what will be done. I was outside yesterday and smelled it, and yeah it smelt bad but since it was really windy i knew It wasn't harmful. But with how much wind there was I was surprised I smelt it at all, thing is the wind is always blowing in the direction from her house to mine.

[SEOINAGE]

OH REALLY? Have you heard of this newly discovered strange phenomenon known as "secondhand smoke"?


"During prenatal development, the nervous system may be more susceptible to environmental toxicants, such as secondhand smoke. The authors assessed the effects of prenatal and postnatal secondhand smoke exposure on the neurodevelopment of 6-month infants. The subjects were 414 mother and infant pairs with no medical problems, taken from the Mothers'' and Children''s Environmental Health study. Prenatal and postnatal exposures to secondhand smoke were determined using maternal self-reports. Examiners, unaware of exposure history, assessed the infants at 6 months of age using the Bayley Scales of Infant Development. Bayley scores were compared for secondhand smoke exposed and unexposed groups after adjusting for potential confounders. Multiple logistic regression analysis was carried out to estimate the risk of developmental delay posed by SHS exposure. The multivariate model included residential area, maternal age, pre-pregnancy body mass index, education, income, infant sex, parity, birth weight, and type of feeding. After adjusting for covariates, secondhand smoke exposure during pregnancy was found to be related to a decrease in mental developmental index score, but not to a decrease in psychomotor developmental index score. In addition, secondhand smoke exposure during pregnancy was found to increase the risk of developmental delay (mental developmental index score ≤85) at 6 months. This study suggests that the infants of non-smoking women exposed to secondhand smoke are at risk of neurodevelopmental delay" (1Department of Preventive Medicine and Medical Research Institute, School of Medicine, Ewha Womans University, 911-1)

Didn't the OP say is wife is pregnant? Oh yes he did. But I guess the excerpt from the article I posted above is just a bunch of hogwash and secondhand smoke coming over a fence is harmless right?

Yeah and with twins, last thing I need is two kids getting screwed up.

[SEOINAGE]

And the blackpowder in the ash tray is an amazing idea, although fans would get the point across without getting in trouble.

[Times Roman]

I'm a little skeptical about this second hand smoke issue. Let me explain.

When i was a kid, everybody smoked. You would walk in a room, and there would be clouds of smoke just hanging in the air. And so the medical community began to investigate the effects of second hand smoke on others. but being the propoganda spin masters the government is, second hand smoke, instead of clouuds of smoke hanging in the air is now equated to "if you can smell it, it's second hand smoke".

Just because you can smell the smoke doesn't mean you are at risk. Sure, the smelll is obnoxious. But i think the anti smoking rhetoric is getting so inciteful that we are ready to lynch someone if we even see them light up. Personally, I think we as a community need to calm down on this issue. We won the anti smoking war. Those that smoke today are fully knowledgeable about what they are doing. It has become a personal choice, and i'm not going to lynch someone simply because they made a personal choice.

[JJ78]

Used to do landscaping and irrigation for a living. Creeping Jasmine is a great plant. Nail a trellis to your fence, plat the Jasmine and train it up the trellis. It grows like a vine and blooms and smells great for months. Rosemary is another great smelling plant

[zaggahamma]

I am calm and like u and most people in this debate..imo, RIDICULOUS argument to compare cooking food to smoking cigarettes...there are already laws and new ones all the time its only a matter of time til it becomes nationwide...its shouldn't have taken this long

[SEOINAGE]

As far as personal liberties are considered, I am for the most part fine with people doing whatever they want unless it effects another person. I'm anti seat belts laws and a whole bunch of other things, for adults, not kids though. I think people's personal decisions are important and should be left to them. I think educating people is important as well. So if people really want to smoke, they can do it where no one has to breathe it in, especially their own children who can't escape it. Just love seeing a car going down the road with the windows closed cause its cold with kids in the back and the driver with a cigarette.

[zaggahamma]

As far as personal liberties are considered, I am for the most part fine with people doing whatever they want unless it effects another person. I'm anti seat belts laws and a whole bunch of other things, for adults, not kids though. I think people's personal decisions are important and should be left to them. I think educating people is important as well. So if people really want to smoke, they can do it where no one has to breathe it in, especially their own children who can't escape it. Just love seeing a car going down the road with the windows closed cause its cold with kids in the back and the driver with a cigarette.

Well said

[Schmidty]

is this bs real? your going to sit here and complain your neighbor smokes on there own property and it bothers you? then go the fvck inside! you really think 2nd hand smoke is that bad? think of the chemicals you eat and drink and breath every day and your still in good enough health to bitch about your 1st world problems.

[zaggahamma]

What we eat and drink is OUR decision....breathing pollutants is not...bring out the fan bro

[Times Roman]

As far as personal liberties are considered, I am for the most part fine with people doing whatever they want unless it effects another person. I'm anti seat belts laws and a whole bunch of other things, for adults, not kids though. I think people's personal decisions are important and should be left to them. I think educating people is important as well. So if people really want to smoke, they can do it where no one has to breathe it in, especially their own children who can't escape it. Just love seeing a car going down the road with the windows closed cause its cold with kids in the back and the driver with a cigarette.

EXACTLY!!!! and this includes motorcycle helmets. if an adult wants to make a decision, the law should respect that. but this is a rant i've already had, so i won't go there

[JD250]

I chewed tobacco for years and years and more than once I have threatened another customer at a steak house that I would gladly spit a mouthful of copenhagen spit on their steak if they insisted on blowing that fvcking smoke on mine, and I was fvcking serious! .....thank God for no smoking laws nowadays.

Some of you guys say she has the right to smoke on her own property, that may be true legally but if the smoke is coming over to my house you think it's just too damn bad, really? Lets look at that thought process and see how it applies to other things that are "legal"......What if I decide to water my lawn and set a full circle large sprinkler right at the property line so it sprays all over your back yard and porch where you sit to smoke and your kids like to play....too bad for you I guess, water never hurt nobody and it's legal, right? Why are there noise laws in many cities, why do cops get called to loud parties....after all they are doing it on their own property, just because a little noise drifted over the fence should be no concern to the neighbors, if they don't like it they should move, right?

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what you THINK about second hand smoke, it's been proven to be deadly and it fvcking stinks, SOME smokers just can't except the FACT that you fvcking stink and the rest of us don't want to breath that shit or even have to smell it, it's nasty and we don't have to quietly tolerate ANYTHING so when people are picking on you poor smelly fvckers just remember that no matter who's in the right or in the wrong....the rest of us don't want to die a slow painful death and we don't want to smell that nasty shit either. You stink!!!!!

[zaggahamma]

I'm that passionate about it as well...and don't quite get why its even debated

[Times Roman]

I chewed tobacco for years and years and more than once I have threatened another customer at a steak house that I would gladly spit a mouthful of copenhagen spit on their steak if they insisted on blowing that fvcking smoke on mine, and I was fvcking serious! .....thank God for no smoking laws nowadays.

Some of you guys say she has the right to smoke on her own property, that may be true legally but if the smoke is coming over to my house you think it's just too damn bad, really? Lets look at that thought process and see how it applies to other things that are "legal"......What if I decide to water my lawn and set a full circle large sprinkler right at the property line so it sprays all over your back yard and porch where you sit to smoke and your kids like to play....too bad for you I guess, water never hurt nobody and it's legal, right? Why are there noise laws in many cities, why do cops get called to loud parties....after all they are doing it on their own property, just because a little noise drifted over the fence should be no concern to the neighbors, if they don't like it they should move, right?

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what you THINK about second hand smoke, it's been proven to be deadly and it fvcking stinks, SOME smokers just can't except the FACT that you fvcking stink and the rest of us don't want to breath that shit or even have to smell it, it's nasty and we don't have to quietly tolerate ANYTHING so when people are picking on you poor smelly fvckers just remember that no matter who's in the right or in the wrong....the rest of us don't want to die a slow painful death and we don't want to smell that nasty shit either. You stink!!!!!

not at the concentrations we are discussing. most of the second hand smoke studies have been inside enclosed areas (rooms, cars, etc.).

[Honkey_Kong]

Technically, even if she's smoking on her property, if the smoke is carrying over to your house then she's obligated to remedy it.

What I would do is first go over there and explain your situation civilly. You'd be surprised how far that will get you in many cases. If that doesn't work call up the police. You said you live in a small town. Odds are they don't have much to do, so flexing their law enfor***ent muscles on this broad is something they'll jump at.

[capetown]

Here is a good one. I work in a prison and for the first time ever this week an offender got off on a dirty piss test charge because he claimed it was second hand smoke. Times are gonna change for testing if this doesnt get appealed and he loses second time around.

[Times Roman]

Technically, even if she's smoking on her property, if the smoke is carrying over to your house then she's obligated to remedy it.

What I would do is first go over there and explain your situation civilly. You'd be surprised how far that will get you in many cases. If that doesn't work call up the police. You said you live in a small town. Odds are they don't have much to do, so flexing their law enfor***ent muscles on this broad is something they'll jump at.

ya gotta be fukkin kidding me????

and tell the cops what? she's smoking cigarettes on her own property?

really? ya want to be one of those weeney winers calling the cops all the time over BS????

[zaggahamma]

It's not bs times...that's the problem...its fn ridiculously not bs ...there's no kidding ...this shit WILL STOP one day...the Marlboro man's days r numbered I'm telling u

[FONZY007]

Sad part cigarettes get taxed like hell and we still broke cuz we all know there are hella smokers