The new corvette...

[Knockout_Power]

Cool video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_AKjDdqaU

that Veyron is just ridiculous... I cant believe the next gen is going to crush it... with a fricken warranty too

[Vettester]

Really disappointed with the new C7. I fell in love with the C6 when it first hit in 2005, and knew I would be getting one at some point soon after. I sold my 2008 supercharged LSIII, with anticipation to get the C7 after it launched; possibly a Z06 model if offered. Won't be happening!! The front end of the car isn't all that bad, in fact I think it's pretty well done. However, if the best GM can do is to put a Camaro rear end on it after all these years of think tanking it, then that's just poor vision IMO. You know, the rear end wouldn't be all that bad if they would have maybe stuck to the traditional ROUND tail lights that are signature with the Corvettes. Oh well, I think I will keep an eye out for a next-to-new C6 Z06, black on black.

[Armykid93]

American made muscle cars have been the best bang for the buck for the past couple years. Their performance is awesome, people need to get over the vettes interior, just because top gear says it isn't great doesn't mean it sucks. I'm not bashing on foreign cars but i'm so tired of people pissing and moaning about the interior quality when its not that bad. Is it the best? No, but its not terrible.

New vette is ugly imo. I liked the c6, c5 and c4 a lot and have driven all of them. Great cars.

[sixfootseven]

American made muscle cars have been the best bang for the buck for the past couple years. Their performance is awesome, people need to get over the vettes interior, just because top gear says it isn't great doesn't mean it sucks. I'm not bashing on foreign cars but i'm so tired of people pissing and moaning about the interior quality when its not that bad. Is it the best? No, but its not terrible.

New vette is ugly imo. I liked the c6, c5 and c4 a lot and have driven all of them. Great cars.

in general muscle cars shouldnt need a plush interior. As long as the styling is nice

[dan991]

When you are spending $50k+ on a car... you shouldn't get a cheap plastic interior.....

Keep in mind that when you start getting into the $40K+ range you are talking a "luxury" vehicle regardless of if its a sports car or a old man cruiser like a Cadillac. If you take a Corvette and compare it to all the other cars in the same price range; you don't get much for your money when it comes to "luxury" and no Corvettes are not that fast until you get up into Z06 and ZR1 territory both which are $70K+ models. For $70K you should not be getting a cheap plastic interior regardless of what brand you buy. I expect luxury for my $70K not injection molded plastic, lol.

[DCI]

I think they look great imo. And the base car is quite powerful and meant to be quite nice inside.

[Armykid93]

When you are spending $50k+ on a car... you shouldn't get a cheap plastic interior.....

Keep in mind that when you start getting into the $40K+ range you are talking a "luxury" vehicle regardless of if its a sports car or a old man cruiser like a Cadillac. If you take a Corvette and compare it to all the other cars in the same price range; you don't get much for your money when it comes to "luxury" and no Corvettes are not that fast until you get up into Z06 and ZR1 territory both which are $70K+ models. For $70K you should not be getting a cheap plastic interior regardless of what brand you buy. I expect luxury for my $70K not injection molded plastic, lol.

Lol ok cuz all your luxury cars don't have plastic interior, I've been around plenty of luxury cars. Its not real leather either . They just make it look a little better.

[cherrydrpepper]

I disagree with some of what you're saying Dan but im not as qualified to disagree as I should be having never driven a lot of the cars you have thrown out. I just feel if Car and Driver and the other magazines are to be believed that in the proper hands some of the vettes of today can hang with lambos and ferraris. Then again maybe theyre full of shit. I don't think I would care so much about interior if I paid 70k and got a car that can whoop up on a 200k gallardo.

[Armykid93]

I disagree with some of what you're saying Dan but im not as qualified to disagree as I should be having never driven a lot of the cars you have thrown out. I just feel if Car and Driver and the other magazines are to be believed that in the proper hands some of the vettes of today can hang with lambos and ferraris. Then again maybe theyre full of shit. I don't think I would care so much about interior if I paid 70k and got a car that can whoop up on a 200k gallardo.

Exactly lol and yes they can hang with other supercars.

[gixxerboy1]

I disagree with some of what you're saying Dan but im not as qualified to disagree as I should be having never driven a lot of the cars you have thrown out. I just feel if Car and Driver and the other magazines are to be believed that in the proper hands some of the vettes of today can hang with lambos and ferraris. Then again maybe theyre full of shit. I don't think I would care so much about interior if I paid 70k and got a car that can whoop up on a 200k gallardo.

I've been in alot of super cars. The vettes are cheaper for a reason, yes the interior is cheaper. The fit and finish isnt there. You can just feel the difference when you close the door on a vette and on a Porsche.
i understand the concept of a 70k car that can keep with a 150k car. But who cares, your not just buying a lambo for track times. And you cant buy a cheap Ferrari or lambo. Yet you can get a cheap vette, i cant count how many old men and women i see driving vettes. If chevy want to make the vette a true supper car they need to drop the entry level models.

[gixxerboy1]

Depends. Some just a helmet, some nothing but sign a waiver and they have helmets you can wear; and some require you to take an instructor in the passenger seat. Look at Road Atlanta's website- I'm sure Porsche has a bunch of days, as well as Mercedes AMG. Porsche HQ in Atlanta so they do a lot of events at Road Atlanta and Barber in Alabama. There are also events like AMG Experience which is a driving school that's relatively cheap where you can go out and beat the hell out of any AMG model you want. Porsche and Ferrari do this to. The free events are typically for past owners or new owners; and usually a marketing/sales event. I always get shit in the mail to come to a Porsche event and Bentley event since I bought them. The Bentley event isn't on the track though- private viewing of the new model(s) at the local dealership.

a few years ago my wife bought me the AMG experience. I drove the clk black edition. Was alot of fun.

[evander87]

Who likes the new vette? I thinks it looks great except for the rear that looks like the camaro.

Two wheels too many.

Are you on the Canada side of the border? Better yet west end of the country?... I will have 2 at my charity event in June if you want a ride...

Also a Washington resident with a passport. What is required to ride in one of these suckers?

[DB1982]

I don't make a ton of money. So To be able to afford a Lambo, Ferrari or Porsche is unreachable for most.
And this is why the Vette exists.
Its for the Common person.

You can rant all you want about the interior of the Vette.

But I'll take the Vette and drop another $30,000 into it. And whoop the doors off ANY STOCK Lambo ,Ferrari or Porsche in a straight line or track.
Plus have enough money left over for a nice down payment on a house.

You won't have to worry about my interior you'll be to busy looking at tail lights .

Not to mention the price of up keep on exotics is stupid. $25,000 for new brakes.
$50,000 for new rotors.

If I was a millionaire sure I'd have exotics

Dan so say I buy a zl1 vette for $110,000 and it has a cheaper interior.
And you spend 300k but have an awesome interior.
Do you think for the extra $190,000 I saved I couldn't turn around and build a much better interior then the exotic you bought.
I mean come on.
The reason exotics costs soooo much is the name. You pay for the name. Yes they are awesome cars of most of our dreams but they are STATEMENT cars.
Exotics are not a representation of the BEST performing car for the price you pay.

[Knockout_Power]

Also a Washington resident with a passport. What is required to ride in one of these suckers?

A donation... I put on this event for the Kids With Cancer society

[Knockout_Power]

The reason exotics costs soooo much is the name. You pay for the name. Yes they are awesome cars of most of our dreams but they are STATEMENT cars.

got to disagree on this point. You pay more for these cars for one single mathematical equation... R&D costs / number of units sold

example...

Toyota spends 800 million to develop the new corolla, they sell 600,000 of this chassis, cost per vehicle just for R&D is over $1,300 then you have materials to build each car...

Ferrari spends close to that amount to develop the 458 that will only see less than 16,000 units made. Cost per unit is almost 50K and then you are dealing with paying SKILLED labour to hand craft the far more expensive materials going into each part of the car... not some junior high grad pulling pieces of stamped steel out of a press. Yes, there is a handsome profit on each car, but roughly the same % if you were to scale it back to the price of the Corolla.

A Lambo has even fewer chassis built so the cost/unit goes up...

The numbers may not be entirely accurate, but you get the point.


As for interiors... I would sooner not pay for a sexy interior as all mine get torn out to make way for a cage =)

[songdog]

Vettes have their place, other than the GTR, they are best bang for the buck. Build quality has been an issue for some time now, but they do impress on the track.

Yeah but Chevys top of the line sports car one year had the same steering wheel as the Vega.Now thats impressive and I hope they put better seats in it this year.Now dont get me wrong I like the vette.Always wanted one.But Chevy is got to get their head out of their ash!

[Knockout_Power]

Yeah but Chevys top of the line sports car one year had the same steering wheel as the Vega.Now thats impressive and I hope they put better seats in it this year.Now dont get me wrong I like the vette.Always wanted one.But Chevy is got to get their head out of their ash!

heh, Im not really defending them... I was moreso emphasizing that their poor build quality allows you to buy a used one for CHEAP and with 10-15K you have a great track slut...

[DB1982]

got to disagree on this point. You pay more for these cars for one single mathematical equation... R&D costs / number of units sold

example...

Toyota spends 800 million to develop the new corolla, they sell 600,000 of this chassis, cost per vehicle just for R&D is over $1,300 then you have materials to build each car...

Ferrari spends close to that amount to develop the 458 that will only see less than 16,000 units made. Cost per unit is almost 50K and then you are dealing with paying SKILLED labour to hand craft the far more expensive materials going into each part of the car... not some junior high grad pulling pieces of stamped steel out of a press. Yes, there is a handsome profit on each car, but roughly the same % if you were to scale it back to the price of the Corolla.

A Lambo has even fewer chassis built so the cost/unit goes up...

The numbers may not be entirely accurate, but you get the point.

As for interiors... I would sooner not pay for a sexy interior as all mine get torn out to make way for a cage =)

Touché I can agree with that to a degree

[Armykid93]

I've been in alot of super cars. The vettes are cheaper for a reason, yes the interior is cheaper. The fit and finish isnt there. You can just feel the difference when you close the door on a vette and on a Porsche.
i understand the concept of a 70k car that can keep with a 150k car. But who cares, your not just buying a lambo for track times. And you cant buy a cheap Ferrari or lambo. Yet you can get a cheap vette, i cant count how many old men and women i see driving vettes. If chevy want to make the vette a true supper car they need to drop the entry level models.

I just don't understand what you mean by fit and finish. I've been in Aston Martins and Bentleys and even an r8 I just don't understand the draw. If I can get just as much performance for so much less why wouldn't I?

I honestly wanna know what do you mean fit and finish?
Is it simply the fact that other people know you're driving an expensive car?

[Knockout_Power]

Plastic has no place in a vehicle that costs more than 25K... dont care if its "weight savings", for 70K it should be carbon fibre

[Shol'va]

Exactly lol and yes they can hang with other supercars.

Not only that Armykid, but also the vette is the only true sports production car built on an assembly line. whereas all those higher priced cars have to be made off line thereby raising the cost beyond most of what we everyday guys can afford. So thanks to GM for still being able to supply some nice competitive sports cars for us. Because I for one don't have a couple million just laying around to purchase that lamborghini with. not yet anyways..

[dan991]

I don't make a ton of money. So To be able to afford a Lambo, Ferrari or Porsche is unreachable for most.
And this is why the Vette exists.
Its for the Common person.

You can rant all you want about the interior of the Vette.

But I'll take the Vette and drop another $30,000 into it. And whoop the doors off ANY STOCK Lambo ,Ferrari or Porsche in a straight line or track.
Plus have enough money left over for a nice down payment on a house.

You won't have to worry about my interior you'll be to busy looking at tail lights .

Not to mention the price of up keep on exotics is stupid. $25,000 for new brakes.
$50,000 for new rotors.

If I was a millionaire sure I'd have exotics

Dan so say I buy a zl1 vette for $110,000 and it has a cheaper interior.
And you spend 300k but have an awesome interior.
Do you think for the extra $190,000 I saved I couldn't turn around and build a much better interior then the exotic you bought.
I mean come on.
The reason exotics costs soooo much is the name. You pay for the name. Yes they are awesome cars of most of our dreams but they are STATEMENT cars.
Exotics are not a representation of the BEST performing car for the price you pay.

Okay- gonna try and address all the previous posts from earlier in this one response. Sorry- was gone; had to fire my girlfriend (yes on VDay long story don't wanna talk about it).

Anyways.... So realize what you are getting when you buy a Corvette ZR1 and pay $110,000.00. For that same $110K there are DOZENS of other cars out there that actually justify the price. Look at the Porsche 911 Carerra S... same price as ZR1... and almost as fast in a straight line and faster on the track (in most instances). In the Porsche- you are getting everything leather, every single piece of the car fits together perfect..... and in the Corvette you get a standard Vette with a different hood, a lot more HP, and a few "ZR1" tidbits... that none of which adds up to the $70K delta between a standard $50K Vette and a $110K ZR1. So... why buy the ZR1? Reality is- most can't use the extra HP on the road and most don't go to the track anyways. You can buy SOOOO many other cars for that $110K that make that ZR1 look like the plastic POS it really is. All the BMW "M" series, almost all the Mercedes AMG models, most Porsche except Turbo 911.... all in the same price range but a lot higher quality. Go look at a $40K Mercedes C Class or BMW 3 series and you'll see they are a lot better fit/finish than the $110K Corvette.

Yes- you can buy any "stock" car and put some money into it to make it faster than almost any production model. You can buy a POS 1989 Mustang and put $30K into it and smoke a $1.3M Bugatti..... BUT... its still a POS 1989 Mustang. Each to his own. I myself prefer new cars and I like to get my money's worth. I've owned BMW, MB, Porsche, Bentley, Jeep, etc. I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee every day because it has MORE stuff than the $130K Range Rover Supercharged and costs less than half that so I'm not all about I have to be in a Ferrari for it to matter. I buy cars that are fast on the track because 90% of the time I'm driving my Jeep. The other 10% of the time which is mostly on the track- I want the fastest lap time I can get.

[dan991]

a few years ago my wife bought me the AMG experience. I drove the clk black edition. Was alot of fun.

I had a C63 AMG Black for a little bit- awesome car wish I never let it go. I traded it in on the 991 I have now. The C63 was more fun to drive daily but it sucked ass on the track.

[dan991]

Not only that Armykid, but also the vette is the only true sports production car built on an assembly line. whereas all those higher priced cars have to be made off line thereby raising the cost beyond most of what we everyday guys can afford. So thanks to GM for still being able to supply some nice competitive sports cars for us. Because I for one don't have a couple million just laying around to purchase that lamborghini with. not yet anyways..

Uhm.. Porsche's are built on an automated production line. Outside of the Carrera GT... none are hand built. Porsche is actually a "volume" manufacturer in Germany. Even the $200K Turbo 911 is built on an automated assembly line. Lambo, Ferrari, Rolls, Bentley... those are hand built which is why they will cost you your left nut to own one.

[dan991]

Plastic has no place in a vehicle that costs more than 25K... dont care if its "weight savings", for 70K it should be carbon fibre

EXACTLY!!!!! They already have "mass production" carbon fiber at most manufacturers. Its not like some dude is hand laying every carbon fiber part one layer at a time. Manufacturing processes have gotten to the point that its no more difficult to build carbon in mass production than it is plastic. BUT... plastic is cheaper and Carbon eats up profits.

[Armykid93]

Okay- gonna try and address all the previous posts from earlier in this one response. Sorry- was gone; had to fire my girlfriend (yes on VDay long story don't wanna talk about it).

Anyways.... So realize what you are getting when you buy a Corvette ZR1 and pay $110,000.00. For that same $110K there are DOZENS of other cars out there that actually justify the price. Look at the Porsche 911 Carerra S... same price as ZR1... and almost as fast in a straight line and faster on the track (in most instances). In the Porsche- you are getting everything leather, every single piece of the car fits together perfect..... and in the Corvette you get a standard Vette with a different hood, a lot more HP, and a few "ZR1" tidbits... that none of which adds up to the $70K delta between a standard $50K Vette and a $110K ZR1. So... why buy the ZR1? Reality is- most can't use the extra HP on the road and most don't go to the track anyways. You can buy SOOOO many other cars for that $110K that make that ZR1 look like the plastic POS it really is. All the BMW "M" series, almost all the Mercedes AMG models, most Porsche except Turbo 911.... all in the same price range but a lot higher quality. Go look at a $40K Mercedes C Class or BMW 3 series and you'll see they are a lot better fit/finish than the $110K Corvette.

Yes- you can buy any "stock" car and put some money into it to make it faster than almost any production model. You can buy a POS 1989 Mustang and put $30K into it and smoke a $1.3M Bugatti..... BUT... its still a POS 1989 Mustang. Each to his own. I myself prefer new cars and I like to get my money's worth. I've owned BMW, MB, Porsche, Bentley, Jeep, etc. I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee every day because it has MORE stuff than the $130K Range Rover Supercharged and costs less than half that so I'm not all about I have to be in a Ferrari for it to matter. I buy cars that are fast on the track because 90% of the time I'm driving my Jeep. The other 10% of the time which is mostly on the track- I want the fastest lap time I can get.

Most porches aren't faster than the Corvette period. Plus the maintenance and all the other garbage that goes along with owning a high end car, its not worth it. I'll still take the Corvette.
Even when the zr1 was re released in like 09 car and driver as well as many other companies with the sole purpose of judging cars have been ranking the zr1 better than lambos and all other manner of super car. and the zr1 WAS sh!!t in 09. Now the zr1 is tested on the Nuremberg ring, Ferrari uses GM suspension in their cars now because of the zr1 and cts-v.
Hate on domestics all you want, they will keep dominating cars much pricier regardless

[dan991]

Most porches aren't faster than the Corvette period. Plus the maintenance and all the other garbage that goes along with owning a high end car, its not worth it. I'll still take the Corvette.
Even when the zr1 was re released in like 09 car and driver as well as many other companies with the sole purpose of judging cars have been ranking the zr1 better than lambos and all other manner of super car. and the zr1 WAS sh!!t in 09. Now the zr1 is tested on the Nuremberg ring, Ferrari uses GM suspension in their cars now because of the zr1 and cts-v.
Hate on domestics all you want, they will keep dominating cars much pricier regardless

Haven't we had this discussion before?

There is not a single domestic vehicle out there that is dominating anything.... You can buy a GTR for $90Kish and hand a ZR1 its ass. There is more to a car than what is published in magazines for lap times and such. Fiat is sold by Chrysler in the US.... doesn't make a Fiat a Ferrari.

[gixxerboy1]

I just don't understand what you mean by fit and finish. I've been in Aston Martins and Bentleys and even an r8 I just don't understand the draw. If I can get just as much performance for so much less why wouldn't I?

I honestly wanna know what do you mean fit and finish?
Is it simply the fact that other people know you're driving an expensive car?

Open and close the door on any of the cats u mentioned or a bmw or merc. Then do it on a vette.

[Armykid93]

Haven't we had this discussion before?

There is not a single domestic vehicle out there that is dominating anything.... You can buy a GTR for $90Kish and hand a ZR1 its ass. There is more to a car than what is published in magazines for lap times and such. Fiat is sold by Chrysler in the US.... doesn't make a Fiat a Ferrari.

The gtr would hand your garbage porches their ass to. that statement about fiat is ridiculous and isn't really applicable but ok. GTR is faster than the Corvette, Corvette is still faster then your Porsche lol

[Armykid93]

Open and close the door on any of the cats u mentioned or a bmw or merc. Then do it on a vette.

Ok I really do see what you mean now. Eh I still like my vettes

But the details that go into the other cars are much higher quality, all the small things that somebody wouldn't necessarily think about when building the car

[Knockout_Power]

Okay- gonna try and address all the previous posts from earlier in this one response. Sorry- was gone; had to fire my girlfriend (yes on VDay long story don't wanna talk about it).

ouch doood, sorry to hear

[dan991]

The gtr would hand your garbage porches their ass to. that statement about fiat is ridiculous and isn't really applicable but ok. GTR is faster than the Corvette, Corvette is still faster then your Porsche lol

I'll give up the less than 1 second difference for soft leather, an Alcantara headliner, PDK, etc... lol.

If GM wants to sell Corvettes... the "Stingray" should've been what the original Stingray was back in the day..... its not even close enough to justify the name on the new one.

[dan991]

ouch doood, sorry to hear

I'm not.. bitch had to go, lol. but thanks!

[Knockout_Power]

I had a C63 AMG Black for a little bit- awesome car wish I never let it go. I traded it in on the 991 I have now. The C63 was more fun to drive daily but it sucked ass on the track.

That car is so damn rare around here that my buddy had to wait 11 months to get his and it was the only in town for 5 more months after that... sexy ass car. A bobcat backed into it and cracked the rear carbon diffuser and it was $17K to replace. What was the MSRP on that side of the border? He got hosed up here

[dan991]

That car is so damn rare around here that my buddy had to wait 11 months to get his and it was the only in town for 5 more months after that... sexy ass car. A bobcat backed into it and cracked the rear carbon diffuser and it was $17K to replace. What was the MSRP on that side of the border? He got hoses up here

I was around $134K with taxes in 2012. The damn thing ate up tires like you wouldn't believe. I got about 2,000 miles out of a a set and that was without driving like a jackass. I ended up trading it in on a new Porsche 911S (type 991) and although I'm happy with the 991- miss that C63. That thing was just fun to drive and you could take it anywhere like a "normal" car.

[DB1982]

Plastic has no place in a vehicle that costs more than 25K... dont care if its "weight savings", for 70K it should be carbon fibre

Underneath that leather wrapped dash is PLASTIC.
And some of you might be confusing plastic with fiberglass.
The entire body of a Vette is fiberglass always has been.
And they do put carbon fiber on certain panels on the higher end vettes

[Armykid93]

I'll give up the less than 1 second difference for soft leather, an Alcantara headliner, PDK, etc... lol.

If GM wants to sell Corvettes... the "Stingray" should've been what the original Stingray was back in the day..... its not even close enough to justify the name on the new one.

1 second? Yeah its gonna be a little more than that on the track. Keep your leather and headliner I'll take the real performance car.

[dan991]

1 second? Yeah its gonna be a little more than that on the track. Keep your leather and headliner I'll take the real performance car.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

http://www.autospies.com/news/SHOWDO...3-Coupe-74043/


Google "991S" and read for yourself.... I don't need to sit here all day and give you links. Magazine reviews are junk IMHO....

[Armykid93]

Funny how the zr1 isn't even in those articles.

Btw I didn't ask for links lol

[dan991]

Underneath that leather wrapped dash is PLASTIC.
And some of you might be confusing plastic with fiberglass.
The entire body of a Vette is fiberglass always has been.
And they do put carbon fiber on certain panels on the higher end vettes

There are maybe a handful cars out there that are all carbon fiber 100%. Most have some mix of carbon, steel, plastic, fiberglass, etc. My point was when you sit in a Corvette... you see a plastic dashboard, plastic trim, some cheap leather here and there, and if you spend $110K some carbon fiber tidbits. Go look at a VW Jetta or Passat and they have more leather/wood/carbon trim inside for sub $30K than a $110K Corvette does.

Right now I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland Summit. Fully loaded, only comes one way. Most expensive Jeep outside of the SRT8. $53K MSRP.... and guess what... I got that instead of a Range Rover simply because the Range Rover isn't worth the additional $70K when the Jeep actually has more features than the Rover. BUT... the Jeep is nowhere near the quality of build or interior trim even fully loaded. I'm not against American cars.... I'm against over charging for garbage which is exactly what a Corvette is.