Official bulk classic finally pictures

**--->>405<<---** · 02-18-2013, 03:51 PM

dan u cant be right all the time dude!

**dan991** · 02-18-2013, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

dan u cant be right all the time dude!

No... but I am 99% of the time

**Capebuffalo** · 02-18-2013, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

Well that shed some light on some things. No offfense to you cape, but one judge scored you perfect, but then next best was a 10, and then put ss down to an 8. How you have a 5 point difference amongst competitors makes me think this person really wanted their vote for you to count.

Think what you want. Even with extra bonus points you still would have been near the middle. No offense but all three had you at the bottom.

**MickeyKnox** · 02-18-2013, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

You got the answer, from an independent panel of judges, whom were using their JUDGEMENT when scoring. The money submitted wasn't paying judges for their time; its for the contestants. The "scoring" is based on the judges opinion....

Thats weird, i thought it was based on a set list of pre determined criteria? You know..like bonus points and silly stuff like that. Go figure..

**Capebuffalo** · 02-18-2013, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

i cant understand a thing on them. Even after i turned my laptop upside down

5 - 1 point 5 being the best. 3 parts to be judged. Add the 3 numbers. 15 the best 3 the worst.
Add each judges score for each contestant.
High number is the winner.

**Capebuffalo** · 02-18-2013, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Except that's just my opinion and I'm not a judge! Out of curiousity I would love to hear where all the competitors would rank the top 3?????

Ask anyone I spoke to on Friday and I had SS 1 Milky 2 and Me 3rd to be completely honest.

**gixxerboy1** · 02-18-2013, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

5 - 1 point 5 being the best. 3 parts to be judged. Add the 3 numbers. 15 the best 3 the worst.
Add each judges score for each contestant.
High number is the winner.

so the card with 2 judges on it was just the total of the 3 criteria while the other card and judge had it broken down sep then totaled

**SEOINAGE** · 02-18-2013, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Think what you want. Even with extra bonus points you still would have been near the middle. No offense but all three had you at the bottom.

Irrelevant as I am not trying to say I won. I think someone else made that joke. but bonus and minus points should have been included in the final listings, since that is what they planned to do. If the judges think I did poorly that's their opinion based on what they view each criteria point as.

If my bod pod results say I gained nothing but fat then I'll feel bad, but until then I will keep thinking what I am thinking, and I expect the results will show I put on a large amount of actual muscle.

**SEOINAGE** · 02-18-2013, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

so the card with 2 judges on it was just the total of the 3 criteria while the other card and judge had it broken down sep then totaled

Likely the one broken down was Misery's and the other two were the numbers they submitted to him.

**jimmyinkedup** · 02-18-2013, 04:09 PM

thank you dan

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 02-18-2013, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

so the card with 2 judges on it was just the total of the 3 criteria while the other card and judge had it broken down sep then totaled

Yea.

**dan991** · 02-18-2013, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

I hate this fvcking picture. I know its the lounge and i know idiots like you are free to post whatever they want in the name of humor. I have volunteered In the Special Olympics Weightlifting events held at Villinova Universtiy every year for years. I also help some local participants train at a local High School. I find this poster pretty damn offensive.

My apologizes... edited and removed original post.

**milky01623** · 02-18-2013, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

I hate this fvcking picture. I know its the lounge and i know idiots like you are free to post whatever they want in the name of humor. I have volunteered In the Special Olympics Weightlifting events held at Villinova Universtiy every year for years. I also help some local participants train at a local High School. I find this poster pretty damn offensive.

I agree this is offensive and I have some broad views but I don't think that there is any place for this sorry but that's just how I feel :-(

**dan991** · 02-18-2013, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Thats weird, i thought it was based on a set list of pre determined criteria? You know..like bonus points and silly stuff like that. Go figure..

Predetermined criteria does not mean what score a judge is going to give you based on their opinion. They are still using their opinion to score the criteria.

**--->>405<<---** · 02-18-2013, 04:13 PM

seoinage has 7, 7, 10.5 points right = 24.5

now if he gained 41 lbs then that puts him 26lbs over the 15lbs mark.

26/5 = 5 (points per judge)

so even assuming the elimination of the other 2 judges (40% of total possible judge points) being eliminated was a good call (NOT IMO) there would still be 3 judges left. 5 x 3 = 15

24.5(scored) + 15(bonus) = 39.5

now the question remains did anyone else qualify for bonus points? did anyone else gain 20lbs or more?

**dan991** · 02-18-2013, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by milky01623

I agree this is offensive and I have some broad views but I don't think that there is any place for this sorry but that's just how I feel :-(

I took it down! Jimmy needs to edit his post quoting the image or it will continue to be in his quote.

**milky01623** · 02-18-2013, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

I took it down! Jimmy needs to edit his post quoting the image or it will continue to be in his quote.

Thanx buddy :-)

**Lunk1** · 02-18-2013, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Ask anyone I spoke to on Friday and I had SS 1 Milky 2 and Me 3rd to be completely honest.

In all honesty and fairness...if judging is based on improvement from start to finish I would have to agree wit SS #1, Toss up between Milky and you for 2 and 3! Big Z and Buttery are at the top as well with their size but start to finish...the change was less drastic and noticeable!

I want to add again...my opinion and the opinion of the others does not matter! Only the opinion of the judges! Be proud..part of being proud is dignity and the ability to lose while maintaining it!

**--->>405<<---** · 02-18-2013, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

I took it down! Jimmy needs to edit his post quoting the image or it will continue to be in his quote.

way to go dan..

**MickeyKnox** · 02-18-2013, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

Predetermined criteria does not mean what score a judge is going to give you based on their opinion. They are still using their opinion to score the criteria.

Youre right. Its based on the criteria that was pre determined, like i just said. But IF some of that criteria is omitted, then the judging would be skewed.

Wait a second, look what i found Dan..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...21#post6396521

**jimmyinkedup** · 02-18-2013, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

I took it down! Jimmy needs to edit his post quoting the image or it will continue to be in his quote.

Thank You Dan

**Capebuffalo** · 02-18-2013, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

seoinage has 7, 7, 10.5 points right = 24.5

now if he gained 41 lbs then that puts him 26lbs over the 15lbs mark.

26/5 = 5 (points per judge)

so even assuming the elimination of the other 2 judges (40% of total possible judge points) being eliminated was a good call (NOT IMO) there would still be 3 judges left. 5 x 3 = 15

24.5(scored) + 15(bonus) = 39.5

now the question remains did anyone else qualify for bonus points? did anyone else gain 20lbs or more?

I wasn't a judge but the understand I had was a one time bonus not from everybody. But you can ask the judges.

**Capebuffalo** · 02-18-2013, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

so the card with 2 judges on it was just the total of the 3 criteria while the other card and judge had it broken down sep then totaled

Looks like it to me

**Capebuffalo** · 02-18-2013, 04:36 PM

It's not my place to answer these questions or defend my win. Go to the source. I was told I won. The score cards show that I won. The money is being returned so no prize money. Thanks for that by the way. You find something that you use to strip my win do it. Otherwise move on down the road.

**warmouth** · 02-18-2013, 04:37 PM

GUYS! Let the scores be what they are. If your unhappy, dont enter another one. Yall are going to F this up for up wanting to do another comp. This was the forst one, so there was bound to be bugs. Crap! Are you guys so freaking vain that you took this as anything more than a funny and friendly competition? It was for us and our enjoyment. I had a blast. I came in low. I didnt put on alot of fat and think it was supposed to count as "bulk". Just get over it and dont screw anything up for the next one, if there is one now. Not happy? Dont enter another one. Not 1 single person here can even think for a second the scoring was accurate for the top guys. Cape, Shovel, Butters, and Big Z all could have easily took the first place. No one outside of those guys had "results" for a comp, myself included. I knew from day 1 I wasnt going to even contend. I just looked at it in a way to have fun and fellowship with some guys. Overall, we all improved upon ourselves and we should be proud of that. Why continue to do this? Let it go.

**SEOINAGE** · 02-18-2013, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

I wasn't a judge but the understand I had was a one time bonus not from everybody. But you can ask the judges.

Originally I was thinking it would be per judge, i doubt anyone was expecting someone to get 5, I certainly didn't. 1 or two extra points per judge would have been expected if a person gained 20 lbs or 25 lbs, honestly I expected more people to gain 25 lbs or so. It makes me think this is part of the reason it was just thrown out.

**MR-FQ320** · 02-18-2013, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

seoinage has 7, 7, 10.5 points right = 24.5

now if he gained 41 lbs then that puts him 26lbs over the 15lbs mark.

26/5 = 5 (points per judge)

so even assuming the elimination of the other 2 judges (40% of total possible judge points) being eliminated was a good call (NOT IMO) there would still be 3 judges left. 5 x 3 = 15

24.5(scored) + 15(bonus) = 39.5

now the question remains did anyone else qualify for bonus points? did anyone else gain 20lbs or more?

Me I did . I put on 26 lbs and was expecting to receive 10 bonus points

**Lunk1** · 02-18-2013, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

GUYS! Let the scores be what they are. If your unhappy, dont enter another one. Yall are going to F this up for up wanting to do another comp. This was the forst one, so there was bound to be bugs. Crap! Are you guys so freaking vain that you took this as anything more than a funny and friendly competition? It was for us and our enjoyment. I had a blast. I came in low. I didnt put on alot of fat and think it was supposed to count as "bulk". Just get over it and dont screw anything up for the next one, if there is one now. Not happy? Dont enter another one. Not 1 single person here can even think for a second the scoring was accurate for the top guys. Cape, Shovel, Butters, and Big Z all could have easily took the first place. No one outside of those guys had "results" for a comp, myself included. I knew from day 1 I wasnt going to even contend. I just looked at it in a way to have fun and fellowship with some guys. Overall, we all improved upon ourselves and we should be proud of that. Why continue to do this? Let it go.

Can I get an Amen!

**dan991** · 02-18-2013, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Youre right. Its based on the criteria that was pre determined, like i just said. But IF some of that criteria is omitted, then the judging would be skewed.

Wait a second, look what i found Dan..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...21#post6396521

Well that scoring isn't gonna be accurate anyways.... you can't base "muscle bulk" by strictly body weight because if you drink a bunch of salt water; you're gonna weigh more than you should. "Bulking" is adding physical muscle mass which is visual more than weight. I can take a pill for 6 days and drop 20+ lbs. You're talking to someone that intentionally swings between 163.2 lbs and 200 lbs. I'm at 202.4 right now. I take a shit and I'm under 200. I pop a pill a day for 6 and I'll drop to 166 lbs. I do it all the time to fight in MMA. I'll weigh in a 163 lbs to fight catch weight and then in 3 days put 15 lbs back on by fight night.

**SEOINAGE** · 02-18-2013, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

GUYS! Let the scores be what they are. If your unhappy, dont enter another one. Yall are going to F this up for up wanting to do another comp. This was the forst one, so there was bound to be bugs. Crap! Are you guys so freaking vain that you took this as anything more than a funny and friendly competition? It was for us and our enjoyment. I had a blast. I came in low. I didnt put on alot of fat and think it was supposed to count as "bulk". Just get over it and dont screw anything up for the next one, if there is one now. Not happy? Dont enter another one. Not 1 single person here can even think for a second the scoring was accurate for the top guys. Cape, Shovel, Butters, and Big Z all could have easily took the first place. No one outside of those guys had "results" for a comp, myself included. I knew from day 1 I wasnt going to even contend. I just looked at it in a way to have fun and fellowship with some guys. Overall, we all improved upon ourselves and we should be proud of that. Why continue to do this? Let it go.

I was trying to keep quite at first because I enjoyed the comp and wanted more for others to enjoy. but as the facts came out I had to say something. How can you be happy with your score if they changed the criteria last second. Not to mention when I asked details they were ignored, it took a long time before we even knew the scores didn't include bonus or minus points. When I asked about how many judges, it was ignored. It took a while to get all this out there.
There's a lot more to it than just being unhappy with scores. This stuff needs to be brought out and avoided in future comps so people can enjoy them. Look into everything, I could make a huge list of all the shady things that don't add up.

**SEOINAGE** · 02-18-2013, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

Well that scoring isn't gonna be accurate anyways.... you can't base "muscle bulk" by strictly body weight because if you drink a bunch of salt water; you're gonna weigh more than you should. "Bulking" is adding physical muscle mass which is visual more than weight. I can take a pill for 6 days and drop 20+ lbs. You're talking to someone that intentionally swings between 163.2 lbs and 200 lbs. I'm at 202.4 right now. I take a shit and I'm under 200. I pop a pill a day for 6 and I'll drop to 166 lbs. I do it all the time to fight in MMA. I'll weigh in a 163 lbs to fight catch weight and then in 3 days put 15 lbs back on by fight night.

Yes and people can do this to not gain any muscle mass and just improve condition but still meet the 15 lb requirement easily. I could do that in a day. We are well aware of that fact. I know I didn't put on 40 lbs of fat and water, hell I lost 15 lbs of fat and gained 3 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks going into the comp, 6 before and 2 into it, sure I gained a lot more than that through the comp especially being on 600 mgs a week of test for my first cycle.

I agree the visual needed to be part of it. I don't even know what I am saying anymore....

**dan991** · 02-18-2013, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

Yes and people can do this to not gain any muscle mass and just improve condition but still meet the 15 lb requirement easily. I could do that in a day. We are well aware of that fact. I know I didn't put on 40 lbs of fat and water, hell I lost 15 lbs of fat and gained 3 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks going into the comp, 6 before and 2 into it, sure I gained a lot more than that through the comp especially being on 600 mgs a week of test for my first cycle.

I agree the visual needed to be part of it. I don't even know what I am saying anymore....

Congrats... you're a winner!

**SEOINAGE** · 02-18-2013, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

Congrats... you're a winner!

I just don't appreciate people thinking I just put on some water weight. when on half the calories I still put on more muscle than a few think, i guess I had a point.... lol enough sarcasm from you!

**Lunk1** · 02-18-2013, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

I just don't appreciate people thinking I just put on some water weight. when on half the calories I still put on more muscle than a few think, i guess I had a point.... lol enough sarcasm from you!

You did great man..like I said earlier. We are in the same boat. The improvements we make simply are not as easily noticed due to BF%! Another reason we all normally suggest ppl dropping BGF before cycling...so that they will have more noticeable results! It's our cross to bear man!

**dan991** · 02-18-2013, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You did great man..like I said earlier. We are in the same boat. The improvements we make simply are not as easily noticed due to BF%! Another reason we all normally suggest ppl dropping BGF before cycling...so that they will have more noticeable results! It's our cross to bear man!

That's' why I'm eating ice cream right now and you fat asses aren't....

I maintain low BF year round so when I put on 5 lbs of anything it quickly gets noticed. I pop one pill and piss away 15 lbs then weigh in and eat more ice cream as well as drink Pedialyte........

**MickeyKnox** · 02-18-2013, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

Well that scoring isn't gonna be accurate anyways.... you can't base "muscle bulk" by strictly body weight because if you drink a bunch of salt water; you're gonna weigh more than you should. "Bulking" is adding physical muscle mass which is visual more than weight. I can take a pill for 6 days and drop 20+ lbs. You're talking to someone that intentionally swings between 163.2 lbs and 200 lbs. I'm at 202.4 right now. I take a shit and I'm under 200. I pop a pill a day for 6 and I'll drop to 166 lbs. I do it all the time to fight in MMA. I'll weigh in a 163 lbs to fight catch weight and then in 3 days put 15 lbs back on by fight night.

You know, it just dawned on me why it's necessary for you to spend foolishly on woman you barely know.

**Lunk1** · 02-18-2013, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by dan68131

That's' why I'm eating ice cream right now and you fat asses aren't....

I maintain low BF year round so when I put on 5 lbs of anything it quickly gets noticed. I pop one pill and piss away 15 lbs then weigh in and eat more ice cream as well as drink Pedialyte........

Dont be so sure

**dan991** · 02-18-2013, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

I just don't appreciate people thinking I just put on some water weight. when on half the calories I still put on more muscle than a few think, i guess I had a point.... lol enough sarcasm from you!

If you REALLY give two shits for yourself and really need to know in detail how much water, fat, muscle, etc you put on or took off... the ONLY 99% accurate way to measure it is a full body DXA Scan. That's it... or you can post in the "ask DSM anything" thread and see if he'd hit it (like I did on 405's behalf last night).

**MickeyKnox** · 02-18-2013, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

GUYS! Let the scores be what they are. If your unhappy, dont enter another one. Yall are going to F this up for up wanting to do another comp. This was the forst one, so there was bound to be bugs. Crap! Are you guys so freaking vain that you took this as anything more than a funny and friendly competition? It was for us and our enjoyment. I had a blast. I came in low. I didnt put on alot of fat and think it was supposed to count as "bulk". Just get over it and dont screw anything up for the next one, if there is one now. Not happy? Dont enter another one. Not 1 single person here can even think for a second the scoring was accurate for the top guys. Cape, Shovel, Butters, and Big Z all could have easily took the first place. No one outside of those guys had "results" for a comp, myself included. I knew from day 1 I wasnt going to even contend. I just looked at it in a way to have fun and fellowship with some guys. Overall, we all improved upon ourselves and we should be proud of that. Why continue to do this? Let it go.

I agree.

**dan991** · 02-18-2013, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

You know, it just dawned on me why it's necessary for you to spend foolishly on woman you barely know.

Because I'm gonna spend it no matter what. There is no such thing as "free" when it comes to getting laid. If you take her out to dinner 2-3 times at a decent place there goes $300.00 or so. If you have to take her out 5-6 times now you spent $500.00. If you married her- you just spent MILLIONS.... and at the end the day; in all reality spending $100.00 for a hooker on Craigslist is the ONLY guaranteed way you'll laid and actually probably the cheapest.

So... I spent $800.00 on a coat.... after 8 months.... That's $100.00 a month. I had sex A LOT more than once a month. A hooker would've cost me $1K a week!