Tron's get BIG or die tryin log

[Capebuffalo]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

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The Force is unstable. I feel shrinkage. Is that you Tron?

[Tron3219]

The Force is unstable. I feel shrinkage. Is that you Tron?

No, TroN stepped away. He will return shortly

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[Tron3219]

Wife found these and did this. Top pic is dec 5(202 pounds) and bottom was a week ago or so (232 pounds)




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[lovbyts]

very nice. Looking big.

[Tron3219]

very nice. Looking big.

Thanks...stagnant right now, on a deload...can't wait to add some more mass

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[Knockout_Power]

Wife found these and did this. Top pic is dec 5(202 pounds) and bottom was a week ago or so (232 pounds)




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did you get smaller?

[Tron3219]

Smashed legs tonight...

Not anywhere as lean as I'd like them to be but getting some size to them, and that's the goal

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[bigZthedestroyer]

Legs are looking good man. Soon you'll have to rub some baby oil between your thighs so you can walk without getting a rash lol

[crazy mike]

Smashed legs tonight...

Not anywhere as lean as I'd like them to be but getting some size to them, and that's the goal

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Hey Tron, It feels good to show off when you've got it to show. Looking big, you can always get them lean. Good work man, from the old ...crazy mike

[crazy mike]

Ha, I tried to line my Av with your leg pic, oops doesn't go even t I lined them up, Just laughing at myself ya know. ...crazy

[Capebuffalo]

You really should work on some definition. I can't tell where your delts meet your bi and tri. Just sayin.


Sh!t man you look good.

[GirlyGymRat]

You really should work on some definition. I can't tell where your delts meet your bi and tri. Just sayin.

Sh!t man you look good.

^^^keep up the great work!

[baseline_9]

Regarding a comment in another thread are you seriously eating a 65% protein diet at 4000 cals (ie. 650g protein)

[Tron3219]

Regarding a comment in another thread are you seriously eating a 65% protein diet at 4000 cals (ie. 650g protein)

I caught that, but didn't want to in the way of the debate. At the moment I am. I'm also consuming about 130g if fat and about 28g of carbs. I just changed it up. I was running closer to a 50/10/40 (p/c/f) split before. Got great results, just pushing the envelope right now actually. Seeing how I react, curious about its effects on liver and kidney function so I'll get those checked in a few weeks. In all honesty tho, I'll probably go back to the 50% range soon (which is still 500g). Noticing slight fat gains, even after just a few weeks.

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[baseline_9]

I caught that, but didn't want to in the way of the debate. At the moment I am. I'm also consuming about 130g if fat and about 28g of carbs. I just changed it up. I was running closer to a 50/10/40 (p/c/f) split before. Got great results, just pushing the envelope right now actually. Seeing how I react, curious about its effects on liver and kidney function so I'll get those checked in a few weeks. In all honesty tho, I'll probably go back to the 50% range soon (which is still 500g). Noticing slight fat gains, even after just a few weeks.

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Do you understand the process of gluconeogenesis in the absence of sufficient substrate to perform higher intensity activity (weight training)....

Look it up..... Your body is literally converting the protein your consuming into glucose so that you can perform whatever higher intensity efforts you make....

You DO NOT NEED TO GO HIGHER THAN 1.5g /lb of LBM.... Data just doesn't support the need for a higher intake.... And when on a 4k diet (surplus I'd imagine) you need less!

Dude, honestly this is stupid.... It is a very expensive way of consuming carbs if you get what I mean... Your giving your body no carbs and an excess of protein... The body NEEDS carbs to perform at higher intensities and it will get them via gluconeogenesis, which is the process of converting amino acids to glucose

[Tron3219]

I actually stand corrected! And I blame it on myself for trusting these damn programs...I know the values are correct because I added them into the library manually using nutritional value but it figures up the macro split...but is way the fvck off and honestly didn't give it a second thought...it'd been a few weeks since I looked at it and I had the split it gave me in my head...
My actual split is 54/44/4 (434p/49c/194f)((figured up manually). I eat the same thing every day so I apologize for the confusion on numbers lol after my last blast I changed it up but just took away some fats(bout 20g) and added protein(bout 50). Carbs stayed the same (carbs r in nuts and flax).

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[Tron3219]

Do you understand the process of gluconeogenesis in the absence of sufficient substrate to perform higher intensity activity (weight training)....
I do

Look it up..... Your body is literally converting the protein your consuming into glucose so that you can perform whatever higher intensity efforts you make....
I have

You DO NOT NEED TO GO HIGHER THAN 1.5g /lb of LBM.... Data just doesn't support the need for a higher intake.... And when on a 4k diet (surplus I'd imagine) you need less!
Do not need more then 1.5g/lbm for what? Muscle growth? I know...

Dude, honestly this is stupid.... It is a very expensive way of consuming carbs if you get what I mean... Your giving your body no carbs and an excess of protein... The body NEEDS carbs to perform at higher intensities and it will get them via gluconeogenesis, which is the process of converting amino acids to glucose

It may b more expensive, but protein doesn't increase insulin levels near as much as carbohydrates, after the nitrogen molecule is stripped off of the proteins secreted as waste, and converted to glucose . Much longer and slower process, plus the additions of fatty acids is used as energy as well.

Do I have a list of studies to back it up? No, I've read thing, tried them and deciphered what works for me. I don't bother with saving the studies that so often contradict each other. I try thins and see how they work. If they work, I keep doing it. I eat carbs, I gain an exponential amount of fat. So I took them away.

I also answered ur first two questions above, tho they're not in bold...

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[baseline_9]

If your gaining too much fat too quickly thats because your overall calories are set too high...

Whatever you want to do tho dude....

[Tron3219]

If your gaining too much fat too quickly thats because your overall calories are set too high...

Whatever you want to do tho dude....

I've been at 4000 calories for about 14ish weeks now. I hadn't noticed fat gains (not much, but more so) since I upped my protein and decreased my fat intake.

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[Capebuffalo]

Hey fat ass. What's for dinner?

[Tron3219]

Hey fat ass. What's for dinner?

Pound of salmon with some NUTS!

Probably pre workout. Then a shake post.

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[Capebuffalo]

Pound of salmon with some NUTS!

Probably pre workout. Then a shake post.

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Male salmon huh. More protein I imagine.

[Tron3219]

Male salmon huh. More protein I imagine.

Protein in the meat, testosterone in the male salmon nuts lol

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[Capebuffalo]

Protein in the meat, testosterone in the male salmon nuts lol

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Never had fish nuts. Salty?

[Tron3219]

Never had fish nuts. Salty?

Depends...the fresh water fish nuts are...oceanic fish, not so much

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[Tron3219]

Ewwww 105 DB overhead presses r a bitch after a deload :-/

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[bdos]

^^ Not enough nuts.

[Tron3219]

^^ Not enough nuts.

I'll take that into consideration...should they be fish nuts or just regular nuts?

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[Sgt. Hartman]

Wow man I didn't realize that's how you were eating.

Btw I'm eating 250g carbs right now and cutting bf.

[Tron3219]

Wow man I didn't realize that's how you were eating.

Btw I'm eating 250g carbs right now and cutting bf.

Dude...if I ate 250g carbs id look like the fvckin Michelin Man!!! Before I started cutting carbs I would have bouts of hypoglycemia. I even went to the dr (waste if $) to see if he could run some kind of test to see if I was secreting too much insulin or something. I was eating splits like a 40/40/20, 50/30/20, etc. so I was getting good amounts of carbs throughout the day, mainly brown rice sweet potatoes etc and still getting low blood sugar. Since I cut my carbs to 10% or less I hadn't had one low blood sugar fit. I talked to my dad about it too because he gets low blood sugar fits too. And he says the only thing that causes them to go away and stay away is protein. I can't explain it, he can't, and none of the dr we went to could either. But apparently it's something genetic lol

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[bdos]

I'll take that into consideration...should they be fish nuts or just regular nuts?

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Any nuts just eat alot

[Capebuffalo]

In Japan I hear Puffer Fish nuts are an excellent source of protein with a numbing sensation.

[MickeyKnox]

Tron, dont let that psycho Cape get in your head..lol He's trying to mind fvck you..haha

[Tron3219]

Tron, dont let that psycho Cape get in your head..lol He's trying to mind fvck you..haha

Haha no worries...he can't detour me! He's really gonna b upshit creek without a paddle if I decide to cut these last 8 weeks lol

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[MickeyKnox]

Atta boy Tronner! lol

[Tron3219]

Atta boy Tronner! lol

Really fighting this internal battle in my head right now. Part of me wants to cut about 8 pounds of fat. Other part is sayin no! Keep gaining mass!

...but summer...

...but hell! Get big!

...but get leaner! Then u can b big and lean!

Damn voices!

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[MickeyKnox]

Those damn voices! Hahaha

As long as they are not telling you to do bad things, you're gtg.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Listen to this voice then, gain your mass bro, don't let vanity from summer time fvck with your goals. If you wanna be xyz weight at xyz bf and you need to gain lbm to get there then DO IT NOW.

[basketballfan22]

Goddamn Tron, you are ****ing huge! I remember when I first joined this forum, and you were the first member to give me quality advice. That was only three months ago, but you've gotten huge since then. Good work. I am glad I took your advice because you clearly know what you are talking about. Keep up the good work!

[Tron3219]

Listen to this voice then, gain your mass bro, don't let vanity from summer time fvck with your goals. If you wanna be xyz weight at xyz bf and you need to gain lbm to get there then DO IT NOW.

*deep drugged voice*
Sarge, your crazy! I like you... but your crazy!

Lol
Yeah I know, and I'll probably continue to do so. I really wanna get up there in the pounds. I'm just an impatient lil shit lol the deload that I'm coming off really jacked with my head lol I'm ALWAYS trying to progress, sometimes too fast and I just need reminders to slow my roll lol

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