Avoid cardio first thing in the morning and before a workout

[evander87]

JFC you post one video against fasted cardio and the fans of fasted cardio will post 10 studies saying it works. Then go ahead and post 20 studies saying it's bullshit.

The KEY to fitness is finding what works for you to get to your goals and sticking with it!

[mattvdh]

BS - you do not have muscle loss from doing fasted cardio. WTF

Muscle loss would come from too much cardio and not enough food.

If that's what happens, how did I drop 50 pounds in 2 and a half month, yet maintained all of my strength and Lbm?

Total BS from some fossil

well if you're sleeping for 7-8 without food, then cardio for another hour. That's roughly 9-10 hours without anything from preventing your body from switching over to muscle burning mode. It's not an exact science but wouldn't it be wiser to play it safe and just consume a bit of protein before a cardio session?

man you're not supposed to drop any more than 4lbs a month. Anything over that is considered muscle loss. 50lbs in 2 and half months! that's hardcore
do you have any before and afters?

[mattvdh]

JFC you post one video against fasted cardio and the fans of fasted cardio will post 10 studies saying it works. Then go ahead and post 20 studies saying it's bullshit.

The KEY to fitness is finding what works for you to get to your goals and sticking with it!

well doesn't it make sense that you would burn out your energy supplies for your weight training session if you're doing cardio before hand?

[evander87]

well doesn't it make sense that you would burn out your energy supplies for your weight training session if you're doing cardio before hand?

Lets see back when I was playing football, collegiate level, we would practice for three hours in the afternoon. Running around, sprinting, all sorts of cardio. Then after practice we'd hit the weight room and lift for an hour or so. My energy supplies weren't gone. Maybe theres something about a guy wanting your starting position that gives you that little extra umph to lift a heavy fvcking weight.

[Lunk1]

The effects of cardio, diet (food calories consumed) and rest are cumulative! IF you reached a TRUE catabolic state the body will not simply choose to go after muscle as it's first source of energy!

You have bought into so much bro science that you should ask for a refund

[< <Samson> >]

well if you're sleeping for 7-8 without food, then cardio for another hour. That's roughly 9-10 hours without anything from preventing your body from switching over to muscle burning mode. It's not an exact science but wouldn't it be wiser to play it safe and just consume a bit of protein before a cardio session?

man you're not supposed to drop any more than 4lbs a month. Anything over that is considered muscle loss. 50lbs in 2 and half months! that's hardcore
do you have any before and afters?

Yes, look at my threads.

Stop with the BS nonsense, bro-science BS is just getting annoying.

[Sgt. Hartman]

so if a 'calorie burned is a calorie burned' (which doesn't necessarily mean you're burning fat), then why put yourself through the discomfort of a fasted state? Why risk burning muscle?

405: just paste the video link after youtube dot com, I'm unable to post links yet.

I'm not advocating fasted cardio or saying it would improve body composition more so than cardio done at other times of the day. Ultimately your bf and LBM like I already said will be determined by your overall nutrition and training program not something as insignificant as what your body uses for a fuel source for less than an hour of the 24.

Do some reading on glycogen stores in muscle and liver and ckd type diets. It takes days of nearly no carb consumption paired with wo's intended to deplete carbs in order to dip into glycogen stores. 8 hrs of nearly no metabolic activity (sleep) is nearly irrelevant.

[gixxerboy1]

well if you're sleeping for 7-8 without food, then cardio for another hour. That's roughly 9-10 hours without anything from preventing your body from switching over to muscle burning mode. It's not an exact science but wouldn't it be wiser to play it safe and just consume a bit of protein before a cardio session?

man you're not supposed to drop any more than 4lbs a month. Anything over that is considered muscle loss. 50lbs in 2 and half months! that's hardcore
do you have any before and afters?

4lbs in a month, where did you hear that bs

[RaginCajun]

I smell the smell of this

[kelkel]

Ya see, this thread is exactly why you will never catch me in the vicinity of a treadmill!

[RaginCajun]

Ya see, this thread is exactly why you will never catch me in the vicinity of a treadmill!

just wait until austinite and I install that one in your basement!

muuuhahahahahahahahaha

[mattvdh]

Lets see back when I was playing football, collegiate level, we would practice for three hours in the afternoon. Running around, sprinting, all sorts of cardio. Then after practice we'd hit the weight room and lift for an hour or so. My energy supplies weren't gone. Maybe theres something about a guy wanting your starting position that gives you that little extra umph to lift a heavy fvcking weight.

not trying be a knob, but I don't see any point to your post, how is this relevant to the discussion? And when you're younger you can eat all kinds of crap and work out all day, everyday and still make awesome gains.

[mattvdh]

4lbs in a month, where did you hear that bs

I've read it many times from various sources. Most guru's will advise you to take it off slowly, about 1-2lbs a week. That way you allow your body to adjust and you don't risk burning hard earned muscle. Sure you can lose all kinds of weight in a week if you want but you'll feel like shit and probably be doing more harm than good.

It's like how boxers cut weight to make a fight, I never agreed with that. The boxer that cuts is going to be weaker from the cut so you're seeing them fight at a lesser potential.

[mattvdh]

Yes, look at my threads.

Stop with the BS nonsense, bro-science BS is just getting annoying.

it's not broscience, I've read it many times over from various credible sources. it's like keto, sure it may work but you'll feel like crap during the process and kill motivation. I think the term broscience gets thrown around too frequently, same with troll actually. People love to label.

It's pretty obvious to me, if you cut too fast you lose strength.

[evander87]

not trying be a knob, but I don't see any point to your post, how is this relevant to the discussion? And when you're younger you can eat all kinds of crap and work out all day, everyday and still make awesome gains.

You asked about depleting energy by doing cardio before lifting. Read about about how I would perform three hours of cardio before lifting. If you're not trying to be a knob you really need to try harder.

[mattvdh]

I'm not advocating fasted cardio or saying it would improve body composition more so than cardio done at other times of the day. Ultimately your bf and LBM like I already said will be determined by your overall nutrition and training program not something as insignificant as what your body uses for a fuel source for less than an hour of the 24.

Do some reading on glycogen stores in muscle and liver and ckd type diets. It takes days of nearly no carb consumption paired with wo's intended to deplete carbs in order to dip into glycogen stores. 8 hrs of nearly no metabolic activity (sleep) is nearly irrelevant.

cool, I see the logic in what you're saying. I don't see any advantage to cardio in a fasted state really. I don't find that my metabolism is any faster in the morning, if anything it feels slower because I haven't warmed up my body or consumed anything. Plus who wants to do cardio first thing in the morning when your body isn't warmed up and joints all stiff. Seems pretty hard on the body to get up and go.

[--->>405<<---]

JFC you post one video against fasted cardio and the fans of fasted cardio will post 10 studies saying it works. Then go ahead and post 20 studies saying it's bullshit.

The KEY to fitness is finding what works for you to get to your goals and sticking with it!

i watched the video.. this^^^^^^^^ is whats important in this thread IMO. ive seen guys who eat mac donalds and go to the gym and half ass their workouts and look as good or better naturally than i can on steroids .. i think we are so different as people there really is no rule with dieting aside from cals in > cals out = gain of some sort and cals in < cals out = loss of some sort..

the rest is up to diet, training, genetics, etc.. figure out what works for u and do it! period..

[baseline_9]

You should probably watch the video before forming an opinion. How can you be so sure that 'the above is correct' if you haven't considered an opposing opinion?

Because I understand basic metabolism

[mattvdh]

i watched the video.. ] is whats important in this thread IMO. ive seen guys who eat mac donalds and go to the gym and half ass their workouts and look as good or better naturally than i can on steroids .. i think we are so different as people there really is no rule with dieting aside from cals in > cals out = gain of some sort and cals in < cals out = loss of some sort..

the rest is up to diet, training, genetics, etc.. figure out what works for u and do it! period..

Finding out what works for me is exactly what I'm doing on these message boards. I'm asking questions, probing around and pulling out the most logical answers. I've been testing out various foods and diets for years now and I've narrowed it down quite a lot. I've tried all extremes, from low fat, to low carb to fasting, to vegan. For me what works best is high protein, medium fat, medium carb. Carbs do almost nothing for my body, the only reason I eat oats and carbs is for the fiber content. High carb for me definitely doesn't work, I'll put on fat super fast and insulin spikes are no good. I pretty much live off of eggs for the most part.

And just because you see those lucky ones eating mcdicks and training like wimps doesn't mean it's correct for the general masses. Like Brainum said in another video, 'some guy once said well my grandfather drank and smoked until he was 98 years old and he was just fine--well there's always exceptions but this doesn't apply to everyone.' And obviously if those guys were to eat properly and trained hard they would have much greater results. I don't listen to those genetic lottery winners, or use them as an example--they have it easier than most of us and there's nothing I can do about it. It's really annoying when you see people eating crap and not training hard and yet make greater gains than your strict diet and ass-busting programs. But c'est la vie. Some of us were blessed with high test and can pack on the muscle no matter what they eat, luckily there's test and roids these days to help those who lack it. It's too bad that test/roids are illegal and so hard to acquire, it would be a real benefit to a lot of people's lives in proper doses.

Some people are blessed with strong intelligence, some with strong bodies--you've got to just work with what you've got and go to work on your weaknesses.

[mattvdh]

Because I understand basic metabolism

I don't like using the term ignorant, because people often misunderstand it as some sort of highly insulting term, but to me it means someone who ignores the evidence being presented. It's like a cigarette smoker is ignorant for smoking even though they clearly understand that it is a detriment to their health.

[austinite]

Finding out what works for me is exactly what I'm doing on these message boards. I'm asking questions, probing around and pulling out the most logical answers.

No you're not. Your title is "Avoid cardio first thing in the morning and before a workout". And you jumped in defending the stupid video. You have no intention of finding anything out. You came to deliver a message, that unfortunately for you was packed with non sense and over thinking coupled with your shitty attitude.

ps. Someone really needs to help you with your grammar since you were quick to point out someone elses. Not to mention you're too dense to know the difference between grammar and spelling.

Does it take you 2 hours to decide what route to take when going on a short trip? Stop over thinking. Your intake and expenditure are the only things that matter. Get it through your skull, kid.

[< <Samson> >]

Man, the posts on here are as useless as ever.

[gixxerboy1]

I've read it many times from various sources. Most guru's will advise you to take it off slowly, about 1-2lbs a week. That way you allow your body to adjust and you don't risk burning hard earned muscle. Sure you can lose all kinds of weight in a week if you want but you'll feel like shit and probably be doing more harm than good.

It's like how boxers cut weight to make a fight, I never agreed with that. The boxer that cuts is going to be weaker from the cut so you're seeing them fight at a lesser potential.

I love how your looking for answers but stating things as facts.
I wrestled from kindergarten through college, and fought mma after. Don't try and explain your opinion about fighters cutting weight

[Armykid93]

cool, I see the logic in what you're saying. I don't see any advantage to cardio in a fasted state really. I don't find that my metabolism is any faster in the morning, if anything it feels slower because I haven't warmed up my body or consumed anything. Plus who wants to do cardio first thing in the morning when your body isn't warmed up and joints all stiff. Seems pretty hard on the body to get up and go.

This post is dripping with bro science

[mattvdh]

No you're not. Your title is "Avoid cardio first thing in the morning and before a workout". And you jumped in defending the stupid video. You have no intention of finding anything out. You came to deliver a message, that unfortunately for you was packed with non sense and over thinking coupled with your shitty attitude.

ps. Someone really needs to help you with your grammar since you were quick to point out someone elses. Not to mention you're too dense to know the difference between grammar and spelling.

Does it take you 2 hours to decide what route to take when going on a short trip? Stop over thinking. Your intake and expenditure are the only things that matter. Get it through your skull, kid.

haha... so you think 'txt-spk' i.e. 'u2 r of topic, quit ur brocience' is perfectly fine, do you. My grammar is perfectly clear and understandable. I'm not trying to get published in a medical journal, or advocating that you all use perfect English. I'm just saying avoid that txt spk crap, it's lazy, unclear and forces people to re-read things. Man, I don't even know what you're talking about anymore, if you don't like this thread then stop contributing to it. It's really that simple.

[austinite]

haha... so you think 'txt-spk' i.e. 'u2 r of topic, quit ur brocience' is perfectly fine, do you. My grammar is perfectly clear and understandable. I'm not trying to get published in a medical journal, or advocating that you all use perfect English. I'm just saying avoid that txt spk crap, it's lazy, unclear and forces people to re-read things. Man, I don't even know what you're talking about anymore, if you don't like this thread then stop contributing to it. It's really that simple.

lol, it's apparent that EVERYONE would like you to stop contributing your garbage. Go be fat elsewhere, kiddo.

[mattvdh]

I love how your looking for answers but stating things as facts.
I wrestled from kindergarten through college, and fought mma after. Don't try and explain your opinion about fighters cutting weight

Opinions you mean? Good, so when you cut weight did you not feel less-strong than your normal weight? I've heard Joe Rogan and Dana White say many times in commentaries that it has a drastic affect on fighters to cut weight. It makes sense to me, when you cut weight you will inevitably lose muscle strength.

[mattvdh]

lol, it's apparent that EVERYONE would like you to stop contributing your garbage. Go be fat elsewhere, kiddo.

Well use your restraint then. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. I'm just trying to get a decent discussion going.

[mattvdh]

This post is dripping with bro science

that's an opinion, not an argument.

[austinite]

Well use your restraint then. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. I'm just trying to get a decent discussion going.

Naa, you just suck. Like your attitude. No one wants that here. Go to your room.

[evander87]

I'm just trying to get a decent discussion going.

Really?!?!? If you're like this in RL I bet you're a blast at parties.

[gixxerboy1]

Opinions you mean? Good, so when you cut weight did you not feel less-strong than your normal weight? I've heard Joe Rogan and Dana White say many times in commentaries that it has a drastic affect on fighters to cut weight. It makes sense to me, when you cut weight you will inevitably lose muscle strength.

it depends on how much you cut, and there are benefits to cutting weight to a fight, cause the fighters that do don't way the same at fight time as they do at weigh in. So yes I would rather cut and be 10 lbs heavier then an opponent that is naturally that weight.
I'm sure you also heard Joe Rogan comment about someone being small for a weight class and they should drop down to a lighter class.

[mattvdh]

Naa, you just suck. Like your attitude. No one wants that here. Go to your room.

Yeah...Anyway, I'm bored of this 'discussion'. Nobody has proved anything either way. I guess the middle ground is: perform cardio whenever you feel it works best for you. Personally I believe in the logic that Brainum has presented--if there's no gas in the tank you aren't going very far.

[austinite]

Yeah...Anyway, I'm bored of this 'discussion'. Nobody has proved anything either way. I guess the middle ground is: perform cardio whenever you feel it works best for you. Personally I believe in the logic that Brainum has presented--if there's no gas in the tank you aren't going very far.

I understand that you feel terrible. I get it. You've been rejected from multiple forums because no one will accept his garbage ideas. It's human nature to get your panties in a wad.

[mattvdh]

Really?!?!? If you're like this in RL I bet you're a blast at parties.

This isn't a party situation though. I'm not going to start joking around and telling stories on a steroid forum. I'm exercising appropriateness.

[mattvdh]

it depends on how much you cut, and there are benefits to cutting weight to a fight, cause the fighters that do don't way the same at fight time as they do at weigh in. So yes I would rather cut and be 10 lbs heavier then an opponent that is naturally that weight.
I'm sure you also heard Joe Rogan comment about someone being small for a weight class and they should drop down to a lighter class.

Yeah that's also very strange to me, why would they have to cut to make weight and then be able to pack on all the weight they can before the fight, seems like they've defeated the point. This weight classification stuff is very odd, and it's very unhealthy to cut weight so drastically. I think guys should just fight at whatever their lean weight is. I mean they're so concerned with weight but you can fight a guy who's much taller and has longer-reach, so this logic considers one advantage but dismisses another. I like the old style of UFC where they took all classes and weights and threw them in there, it's more realistic and more exciting. It was crazy to see a super technical guy with agility take apart a big heavy weight with massive power, like Gracie vs Severn. Or see a heavy weight pummel a smaller guy with speed. Plus head butts should be legal, there's too much wrestling on the ground and trying to get into just the right position to ground and pound. I want to see an open and savage fight where they don't hold back or have to live inside the box of UFC regulations. You can kill a guy with a punch to the temple just the same as the back of the head. It's weird stipulations.

[V-ROID]

Cardio sucks at any time if you ask me! Sprinting is where the best strides are made. Less time exercising, more fat burned and quicker recovery. For a fruitcake like me anyway...

[mattvdh]

Cardio sucks at any time if you ask me! Sprinting is where the best strides are made. Less time exercising, more fat burned and quicker recovery. For a fruitcake like me anyway...

Yeah I've noticed that I get a much better sweat with HIIT vs walking or jogging. Jogging is the worst I find, it's so boring bouncing around for long periods of time. At least when you're walking you can enjoy nature, an audiobook, or have a conversation. But yeah, I prefer HIIT because it's pretty challenging and more efficient. You're done in like 20-30 minutes. The best cardio really is like a sport or a game, then you're not counting down the minutes or calories. It should be fun to exercise, not a discipline. Then willpower isn't even an issue. It's like I love swimming, I don't even think twice about it being a great cardio session, it just is. The treadmill on the other hand is like torture.

[Cuz]

"Arnold sucks" cracked me up.

[< <Samson> >]

The factual info is just rolling in


This is not a fact, this a hypothesis by a old dude who was swoled once upon a time. Okay, when I get that old after being juiced up, can I just come up with shit & people will believe me? < I sure do hope so