Time for Obama to earn his keep

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Bombs over.......... damascus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...aFygeknae8#t=2

[Hazard]

Lucky for you theres a no flame policy here. Anyway!!!! The usa is part of the un security council. If anything happens it will be a un operation not a usa only operation. The world does not revolve around you and you alone.

It was to my understanding in the link that the UN hasn't given approval yet. Other countries had said they would support us.

I didn't say "nothing" should be done...... But if other countries are so quick to say something should be done then let THEM send missiles over. How come the USA can't support someone else this time. How bout we watch the operation via satellite while Britain or France use their destroyers to send missiles.

[bass]

I haven't watched TV/news since Obama took office, I can't stand looking at him talk as if he really means what he's saying. can we call presidents names?! I have quite few for Osam* I mean Obama

[redhawk01]

I haven't watched TV/news since Obama took office, I can't stand looking at him talk as if he really means what he's saying. can we call presidents names?! I have quite few for Osam* I mean Obama

He's not a doctor, so yeah, name call away. Lol

[base4291ball]

We should stop being the worlds police & just mind out own business. I think we'd be a lot better off.

[bass]

We should stop being the worlds police & just mind out own business. I think we'd be a lot better off.

three of my sons served and two are Iraq war veterans. as much as I hate wars unfortunately its not that simple to not get involved, we have to stand up for our allies even if it means war.

[base4291ball]

three of my sons served and two are Iraq war veterans. as much as I hate wars unfortunately its not that simple to not get involved, we have to stand up to our allies even if it means war.

Man I was in the service for 3 years, dad , 2 grandfathers & a father in law as well. I know but still that's my personal view

[bass]

sorry about the typo, I meant to say stand up FOR our allies not TO! I fully understand and don't blame you for the way you fell. thank you and you family for your service and sacrifice.

[base4291ball]

sorry about the typo, I meant to say stand up FOR our allies not TO! I fully understand and don't blame you for the way you fell. thank you and you family for your service and sacrifice.

Man it was what I wanted to do. I didn't get to do it as long as I wanted too but I'm thinking about going back into the AF after college. I'd love to make a career out of it!

But y'all get back on topic. Hope there's someone better to choose in 2016 that what we can all agree upon like another Reagan...

[bass]

Man it was what I wanted to do. I didn't get to do it as long as I wanted too but I'm thinking about going back into the AF after college. I'd love to make a career out of it!

But y'all get back on topic. Hope there's someone better to choose in 2016 that what we can all agree upon like another Reagan...

I wish! but there can only be one Reagan.

[base4291ball]

I wish! but there can only be one Reagan.

Amen brother.

[Euroholic]

It was to my understanding in the link that the UN hasn't given approval yet. Other countries had said they would support us.

I didn't say "nothing" should be done...... But if other countries are so quick to say something should be done then let THEM send missiles over. How come the USA can't support someone else this time. How bout we watch the operation via satellite while Britain or France use their destroyers to send missiles.

"war is a continuation of state policy by other means"

A smart man once said that. Just take a minute to reflect on what that means and you will realize that is why america can never stay out of foreign situations. Aggressive foreign policy is in there nature. The worlds strongest millatry invading a tiny island that posses no threat to US sovereignty and in violation of International law that seams aggressive to me. Anyway im rambling

[thegodfather]

three of my sons served and two are Iraq war veterans. as much as I hate wars unfortunately its not that simple to not get involved, we have to stand up for our allies even if it means war.

But it is that simple...

What allies are you referring to? The Syrian conflict is internal, no other countries in the region are threatened by a civil war. Those neighboring countries were far safer when Bashar Al-Assad had strong control over his state, the rebel actions have actually caused more instability. Unless you believe that al-Qaeda backed rebels in a foreign country are also our allies?

With regard to earlier posts. I was expressing my own opinion about involvement in the United Nations, not referring to the argument at hand. With regards to that, our country does what it wants regardless of backing by the United Nations, case in point is Operation Iraqi Freedom.

The same rhetoric which led us to war in Iraq, is slowly but surely leading us to war in Syria. Once again, we have tenuous intelligence, with sources who have ulterior motives at hand. How soon we forget the errors of our past. Once again I'll reiterate, we have no authority to dictate the goings on inside a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. This idea that the United States somehow has the authority to dictate what is and is not a human rights violation, what is and is not a violation of International law. You people cannot have it both ways, you cannot say that the United Nations declares it to be a violation of International law, but then when they decide only to issue a letter, and not to form a coalition to take action, you advocate for the United States to go it alone, WITHOUT United Nations approval (a la Iraq circa 2003). So, there is this very real contradiction, you guys give lip service to the United Nations this and that, but then when their decision is not the 'desired' outcome, you beat the war drum for the United States to take action when the rest of the world wont. What is even more disturbing, is that our biggest trade partner China, is one of the top 10 human rights violators according to the UN. Then, our 'biggest ally' in the Middle East, Israel, is also a human rights violator according to independent monitoring agencies. Yet, we believe we have this moral superiority to dictate internal conflicts of a sovereign nation.

Looking to history, the founding fathers believed in a HUMBLE FOREIGN POLICY. A doctrine called Non-interventionism (this is a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN PRINCIPLE!!!), which is starkly different from isolationism, and anyone who declares them to be one in the same lacks practical understanding of the terms and is somewhat uneducated.

So again, we should use extreme caution when embarking down the path of war, and we should have an extremely high bar of proof if we decide to go down the path to war. Never should we accept that there is "intelligence we just don't know about," that will justify the need to war. We've seen the fruits of such intelligence in the past, that was manipulated to guarantee a specific outcome.

[thegodfather]

"war is a continuation of state policy by other means"

A smart man once said that. Just take a minute to reflect on what that means and you will realize that is why america can never stay out of foreign situations. Aggressive foreign policy is in there nature. The worlds strongest millatry invading a tiny island that posses no threat to US sovereignty and in violation of International law that seams aggressive to me. Anyway im rambling

That was Carl von Clausewitz.

[Euroholic]

That was Carl von Clausewitz.

My grandfather was from prussia i no who it was!!!

[Rwy]

three of my sons served and two are Iraq war veterans. as much as I hate wars unfortunately its not that simple to not get involved, we have to stand up for our allies even if it means war.

When you get in a fight and all your friends (allies) run why do you keep stepping up to the plate for them?

[bass]

But it is that simple...

What allies are you referring to? The Syrian conflict is internal, no other countries in the region are threatened by a civil war. Those neighboring countries were far safer when Bashar Al-Assad had strong control over his state, the rebel actions have actually caused more instability. Unless you believe that al-Qaeda backed rebels in a foreign country are also our allies?

With regard to earlier posts. I was expressing my own opinion about involvement in the United Nations, not referring to the argument at hand. With regards to that, our country does what it wants regardless of backing by the United Nations, case in point is Operation Iraqi Freedom.

The same rhetoric which led us to war in Iraq, is slowly but surely leading us to war in Syria. Once again, we have tenuous intelligence, with sources who have ulterior motives at hand. How soon we forget the errors of our past. Once again I'll reiterate, we have no authority to dictate the goings on inside a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. This idea that the United States somehow has the authority to dictate what is and is not a human rights violation, what is and is not a violation of International law. You people cannot have it both ways, you cannot say that the United Nations declares it to be a violation of International law, but then when they decide only to issue a letter, and not to form a coalition to take action, you advocate for the United States to go it alone, WITHOUT United Nations approval (a la Iraq circa 2003). So, there is this very real contradiction, you guys give lip service to the United Nations this and that, but then when their decision is not the 'desired' outcome, you beat the war drum for the United States to take action when the rest of the world wont. What is even more disturbing, is that our biggest trade partner China, is one of the top 10 human rights violators according to the UN. Then, our 'biggest ally' in the Middle East, Israel, is also a human rights violator according to independent monitoring agencies. Yet, we believe we have this moral superiority to dictate internal conflicts of a sovereign nation.

Looking to history, the founding fathers believed in a HUMBLE FOREIGN POLICY. A doctrine called Non-interventionism (this is a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN PRINCIPLE!!!), which is starkly different from isolationism, and anyone who declares them to be one in the same lacks practical understanding of the terms and is somewhat uneducated.

So again, we should use extreme caution when embarking down the path of war, and we should have an extremely high bar of proof if we decide to go down the path to war. Never should we accept that there is "intelligence we just don't know about," that will justify the need to war. We've seen the fruits of such intelligence in the past, that was manipulated to guarantee a specific outcome.

I understand where you're coming from, some wars we fought were purely political, but sometimes that necessary to engage in. I was specking of wars in general, stability in the middle east means stability in the US and around the world. we live in a different era than the founding fathers lived in. we are a much smaller world, it takes minutes some times seconds to know what happening around the world, so the affect is far greater and much faster and we need to respond appropriately, not necessary war just do something to stabilize the situation. to be honest I have no clue why we help terrorists, probably just politics!

When you get in a fight and all your friends (allies) run why do you keep stepping up to the plate for them?

it sucks but very true.

[Euroholic]

When you get in a fight and all your friends (allies) run why do you keep stepping up to the plate for them?

Uhmm hello!!!!!! The usa always the last major player to enter the world wars!!!!

[cgi]

three of my sons served and two are Iraq war veterans. as much as I hate wars unfortunately its not that simple to not get involved, we have to stand up for our allies even if it means war.

Maybe we shouldn't have any allies. Also there was no reason to go into Iraq. They lied about WMDs, people in the Project for a New American Century with neocons like
Dick Cheney and William Krystal had interests in invading even before Bush was in office.

[Rwy]

I wonder how relevant the middle east will matter once the US switches to natural gas or some other fuel source

[base4291ball]

I wonder how relevant the middle east will matter once the US switches to natural gas or some other fuel source

It'll never happen, there's an unlimited amount of oil. When I say unlimited not running out this millennia. Maybe an alternate but we'll always use natural gas and oil

[wmaousley]

Maybe we should leave the U.N and gain our sovereignty back.

Sovereignty is much more than just leaving the UN. First we need to do away with Taxes, Drivers Licenses, License Plates for Cars, Regulations, Commercial Laws and to follow a common Law and a hell of alot more.

[songdog]

Because we can and do kick ASH.Things would be even worse on the countries who cross us if it were not for the whine asses in DC.We are held back way too much.

[Metalject]

"The U.S. is part of the U.N." This made me laugh every time I read it. The U.N. exist because the U.S. lets it exist. Without U.S. funding there is no U.N. and it becomes a joke. Excuse me, it becomes a bigger joke.

[bass]

"The U.S. is part of the U.N." This made me laugh every time I read it. The U.N. exist because the U.S. lets it exist. Without U.S. funding there is no U.N. and it becomes a joke. Excuse me, it becomes a bigger joke.

Nice ending Metal!

[Euroholic]

Nice ending Metal!

Sounds a bit arrogant to me!!!!

[DOSA]

It's spot on.

The UN is a joke

[Metalject]

Sounds a bit arrogant to me!!!!

It would only be arrogant if it was said with pride. Most in the U.S. hate that we're involved with the U.N. It's not a point of pride.

[kelkel]

Sovereignty is much more than just leaving the UN. First we need to do away with Taxes, Drivers Licenses, License Plates for Cars, Regulations, Commercial Laws and to follow a common Law and a hell of alot more.

You can't be serious. Imagine the chaos it could cause.

[Metalject]

You can't be serious. Imagine the chaos it could cause.

I agree with him to an extent. Regulatory laws are out of hand in most areas and there's no justification for the amount of taxes we pay.

[bass]

Sounds a bit arrogant to me!!!!

no not at all, UN would be dead within minutes if US didn't give them a place to stay and money. and they are a joke.

[cgi]

Sounds a bit arrogant to me!!!!

Ever heard of the league of nations? Ever wonder why it failed?

[kelkel]

I agree with him to an extent. Regulatory laws are out of hand in most areas and there's no justification for the amount of taxes we pay.

I'll agree on taxes. A flat tax that no one can loophole out of would be a huge plus.

[ppwc1985]

I'll agree on taxes. A flat tax that no one can loophole out of would be a huge plus.

Yes^^^^

[Fcastle357]

It's spot on.

The UN is a joke

Unfortunately the us under Obama is becoming a joke. We were a world power and I hate to say it I believe china is now the world super power.

[ppwc1985]

Unfortunately the us under Obama is becoming a joke. We were a world power and I hate to say it I believe china is now the world super power.

Loool that's funny, china having a hard time landing aircraft on thier carrier and recently we landed a fully autonomous drone on ours. I do agree Obama needs to be more aggressive and quit apologizing, but china replacing us as a superpower no!!

[Fcastle357]

Loool that's funny, china having a hard time landing aircraft on thier carrier and recently we landed a fully autonomous drone on ours. I do agree Obama needs to be more aggressive and quit apologizing, but china replacing us as a superpower no!!

Get your head out of the sand china owns us. They spend whatever they want on military build what ever they want pollute how ever they want kill who every they want fund who ever they want and all we do is say can we have some more money please

[ppwc1985]

China owns us, you need to do research. Yes we buy alot from china but we can survive without them, they can't survive without us. Without our money, they would not have the wealth they have. As far as their military, they can field alot more soliders than us but they are way behind us technically.

[Fcastle357]

China owns us, you need to do research. Yes we buy alot from china but we can survive without them, they can't survive without us. Without our money, they would not have the wealth they have. As far as their military, they can field alot more soliders than us but they are way behind us technically.

Why don't u do some research maybe google how much the us owes china. You keep thinking the us is the be all end all. As much as I hate to say it that's quickly becoming an illusion and you are in the dark my friend . Time to wake up

[redhawk01]

China is so heavily invested in the U.S., if they wanted to call on it, we couldn't pay them squat. They could probably single handedly bankrupt us.