Time for Obama to earn his keep

**calstate23** · 09-01-2013, 05:11 AM

Aight...I'm out of this one..I think it might go on for hours lol

**austinite** · 09-01-2013, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

They purposely attack innocent women and children? I assume you're talking about Palestinians, the very people whose sole existence and purpose in life is to kill Jews. So the Jewish people fight back, and you bet, innocent civilians are killed along the way. Is it on purpose? No, they're after the ones attacking them. Unfortunately, the so-called "Innocent" also harbor the terrorist and stand right by them, praise what they do and then wonder why their dead. Oh, that's right, they were standing by a terrorist holding his hand.

And I know the comment to come (maybe not by you but someone always says it)...the Palestinians are merely fighting the occupiers who took their land. If that's true, we should allow American Indians to start terrorizing the U.S. However, there's a big difference. The Jews were there first. How or where this got confusing for some people, that I really don't understand.

Whether religious or completely secular, all history recognizes the Jewish kings from thousands of years ago. All history recognizes Solomon and his father David and all the kings that followed. They existed long before the Palestinian race was even a race of people. They were the original state of Israel, which was located in the same exact spot it is today.

Helpful historical facts:

*Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.
*Islam became a religion 2000yrs later
*The nation of Israel held complete control of that land for more than 1000yrs and had a very large population there since 1312 B.C.
*The only time in history any Arab peoples every ruled that land lasted for a mere 22yrs.
*Palestinians first became a race of people in 1967
*All wars initiated since the modern state of Israel came into existence were initiated by Arab nations. 5 wars in all.
*The Jewish capital since the existence of the Jews has always been Jerusalem. The muslim capitol has never existed there or anywhere near there.

One more important, very important note: When the modern state of Israel came to be, not one Arab was asked to leave. The mass exodus was funded by surrounding Arab nations who encouraged all Arabs to leave so that they were not hurt in the planned Jewish annihilation. The majority left, no military force or threat of force was issued. Those that stayed formed the nation of Palestine.

Well that's your point of view, not reality. Sorry. Israel's sole purpose is to kill palestinians, so the palestinians fight back. You see? Really? The little 6 year old girls are harboring ? Give me a ****ing break. Every country has people who "harbor", that's how shit keeps hitting the fan when we don't expect it. Stop with the harboring. Your next door neighbor could be a terrorist. I am a TRUE believer that if you harbor a terrorist, YOU are a terrorist. But You can't selectively single out innocent people in palestine. So if russians harbor terrorists, I can go kill russian kids?

I'm going to tell you something. In MANY cases over there, murder is not a war casualty. It's deliberate, just like terrorists deliberately kill innocent people.

Who cares about BC, NO COUNTRY IS IN THE SAME PLACE.

You got to be kidding me with your 1967, how could they become a race in 1967 if ISRAEL invaded in 1942???????????????

Hey, I'm not a fan of either side, I'm just saying, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Check your facts.

Sorry about my language, not directed at you. Just frustration in general. I try to avoid politics for this reason. Don't get me started on any other nations, lol.

Israeli's migrated from all over the world, palestinians were there, always have been. This is a never ending battle/debate and I don't want to get into who should and shouldn't be recognized as a nation. My point in its entirety, is that if anyone, ANYONE thinks that Israeli's leaders are innocent, you are clueless to facts and living under a rock.

**austinite** · 09-01-2013, 05:31 AM

By the way, Palestine was originally the Hashemite kingdom of jordan, it was PEACEFULLY split at the dead sea and declared palestine, LONG before 1942. AKA the 2 banks.

Metal. I hate this. you can have the last word on this. I'm not debating this anymore. Staying out of it.

I read my post and I sound like a dick, sorry about that, but I meant what I said.

**Matt** · 09-01-2013, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

They purposely attack innocent women and children? I assume you're talking about Palestinians, the very people whose sole existence and purpose in life is to kill Jews. So the Jewish people fight back, and you bet, innocent civilians are killed along the way. Is it on purpose? No, they're after the ones attacking them. Unfortunately, the so-called "Innocent" also harbor the terrorist and stand right by them, praise what they do and then wonder why their dead. Oh, that's right, they were standing by a terrorist holding his hand.

And I know the comment to come (maybe not by you but someone always says it)...the Palestinians are merely fighting the occupiers who took their land. If that's true, we should allow American Indians to start terrorizing the U.S. However, there's a big difference. The Jews were there first. How or where this got confusing for some people, that I really don't understand.

Whether religious or completely secular, all history recognizes the Jewish kings from thousands of years ago. All history recognizes Solomon and his father David and all the kings that followed. They existed long before the Palestinian race was even a race of people. They were the original state of Israel, which was located in the same exact spot it is today.

Helpful historical facts:

*Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.
*Islam became a religion 2000yrs later
*The nation of Israel held complete control of that land for more than 1000yrs and had a very large population there since 1312 B.C.
*The only time in history any Arab peoples every ruled that land lasted for a mere 22yrs.
*Palestinians first became a race of people in 1967
*All wars initiated since the modern state of Israel came into existence were initiated by Arab nations. 5 wars in all.
*The Jewish capital since the existence of the Jews has always been Jerusalem. The muslim capitol has never existed there or anywhere near there.

One more important, very important note: When the modern state of Israel came to be, not one Arab was asked to leave. The mass exodus was funded by surrounding Arab nations who encouraged all Arabs to leave so that they were not hurt in the planned Jewish annihilation. The majority left, no military force or threat of force was issued. Those that stayed formed the nation of Palestine.

I not sure which planet you come from but its not earth nothing you have typed here is in the slightest bit true, how brain washed you are....

Just spend a few minutes listening to this man, he is a very respected jew, he doesn't talk for long and knows more on the subject than most....

UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza - YouTube

**Metalject** · 09-01-2013, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by calstate23

No, what it means is the essence of her religion...Meaning, she really TRULY doesn't care about her religion or else she wouldn't have had sex to begin with...

Therefore, it's not about her religion...It's about RIGHT OR WRONG in her eyes....

So really she doesn't believe in her religion she just believes in right or wrong....So why fake a religion when that's not what you believe in?

Just because you do something wrong doesn't mean your beliefs change. We're all human (cliche I know but true) and it's impossible, absolutely impossible to live without making mistakes. Even an atheist is going to do things that he would consider wrong. He will let emotions in one way or another get in the way of better judgment. Anyone who doesn't make these mistakes that contradict their beliefs, well those people don't exist.

As for your example specifically, christianity does not call for us to live blameless and sinless lives, that's impossible. It calls for man to strive towards blameless and sinless lives fully knowing he will mess up along the way but that's where God's grace comes in.

**Metalject** · 09-01-2013, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Euroholic

Palestinians do not hate jews, they just hate isreal!!!! Iran has a jewish population arabs dont really hate jews they just hate isreal!!!!

Iranian leadership has voiced many times their desire to see the jewish population wiped from the face of the earth.

**Metalject** · 09-01-2013, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Well that's your point of view, not reality. Sorry. Israel's sole purpose is to kill palestinians, so the palestinians fight back. You see? Really? The little 6 year old girls are harboring ? Give me a ****ing break. Every country has people who "harbor", that's how shit keeps hitting the fan when we don't expect it. Stop with the harboring. Your next door neighbor could be a terrorist. I am a TRUE believer that if you harbor a terrorist, YOU are a terrorist. But You can't selectively single out innocent people in palestine. So if russians harbor terrorists, I can go kill russian kids?

I'm going to tell you something. In MANY cases over there, murder is not a war casualty. It's deliberate, just like terrorists deliberately kill innocent people.

Who cares about BC, NO COUNTRY IS IN THE SAME PLACE.

You got to be kidding me with your 1967, how could they become a race in 1967 if ISRAEL invaded in 1942???????????????

Hey, I'm not a fan of either side, I'm just saying, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Check your facts.

Sorry about my language, not directed at you. Just frustration in general. I try to avoid politics for this reason. Don't get me started on any other nations, lol.

Israeli's migrated from all over the world, palestinians were there, always have been. This is a never ending battle/debate and I don't want to get into who should and shouldn't be recognized as a nation. My point in its entirety, is that if anyone, ANYONE thinks that Israeli's leaders are innocent, you are clueless to facts and living under a rock.

Your comment about avoiding politics generally, I said this to a coworker earlier this week who said basically the same thing as you...in my opinion, things like this are really the only things worth talking about. They're the only things that matter in the grand scheme of things.

Back to the point...

How could Israel invade where they had already been for thousands of years? The Jewish people had been there for thousands of years. Yes, there were times when they lost control of the governing state, I don't deny that. Now many Jews migrated out of Israel over the years, but many stayed and many decedents returned.

I'm not quoting opinion with any of this, these are all hard facts. For example, yes, the 1967 comment is dead on the money. In 1967 a large group of Arab refuges started calling themselves Palestinians. For hundreds of years, many Arab nations referred to that particular piece of land as Palestine simply in an effort to not recognize Jewish rule, but there was and has never been a nation Palestine. There is not a single recorded historical document that shows us the nation of Palestine.

So you're saying Israelis purposely go and look to kill Palestinian children? They actively seek out killing innocent bystanders? Can you prove this? You're not the first person I've ever heard say this, but I've yet to see anyone say it and back it with anything remotely solid.

**Metalject** · 09-01-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Matt

I not sure which planet you come from but its not earth nothing you have typed here is in the slightest bit true, how brain washed you are....

Just spend a few minutes listening to this man, he is a very respected jew, he doesn't talk for long and knows more on the subject than most....

UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza - YouTube

Nothing I said can't be looked up in every last history book that deals with the topic.

There's a big difference between what the guy and the video is talking about and what's happening in Israel now. The Jewish people in Israel were not threatening to kill all Germans and weren't firing rockets into German houses and businesses.

**thegodfather** · 09-01-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

They purposely attack innocent women and children? I assume you're talking about Palestinians, the very people whose sole existence and purpose in life is to kill Jews. So the Jewish people fight back, and you bet, innocent civilians are killed along the way. Is it on purpose? No, they're after the ones attacking them. Unfortunately, the so-called "Innocent" also harbor the terrorist and stand right by them, praise what they do and then wonder why their dead. Oh, that's right, they were standing by a terrorist holding his hand.

Please...give this shit a rest, do not take this thread in the direction of Israel, its about as productive as the birth control argument. You trying to proclaim that ALL 2 million Palestinians HATE all 20 million Israeli's is fu**ing ridiculous, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even saying it dude. And with regards to 'terrorists,' it's interesting how in Syria the 'terrorists' are rebel freedom fighters, but in Palestine, they're terrorists evil do-er's, yet both claim to be fighting for freedom & independence, the stronger power seems to get to label what the weaker ones cause is truly about. You wouldn't like it very much if a third party told you what you believe in, would you?

**Metalject** · 09-01-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

By the way, Palestine was originally the Hashemite kingdom of jordan, it was PEACEFULLY split at the dead sea and declared palestine, LONG before 1942. AKA the 2 banks.

Metal. I hate this. you can have the last word on this. I'm not debating this anymore. Staying out of it.

I read my post and I sound like a dick, sorry about that, but I meant what I said.

No worries. I wasn't offended.

**thegodfather** · 09-01-2013, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

Your comment about avoiding politics generally, I said this to a coworker earlier this week who said basically the same thing as you...in my opinion, things like this are really the only things worth talking about. They're the only things that matter in the grand scheme of things.

Back to the point...

How could Israel invade where they had already been for thousands of years? The Jewish people had been there for thousands of years. Yes, there were times when they lost control of the governing state, I don't deny that. Now many Jews migrated out of Israel over the years, but many stayed and many decedents returned.

I'm not quoting opinion with any of this, these are all hard facts. For example, yes, the 1967 comment is dead on the money. In 1967 a large group of Arab refuges started calling themselves Palestinians. For hundreds of years, many Arab nations referred to that particular piece of land as Palestine simply in an effort to not recognize Jewish rule, but there was and has never been a nation Palestine. There is not a single recorded historical document that shows us the nation of Palestine.

So you're saying Israelis purposely go and look to kill Palestinian children? They actively seek out killing innocent bystanders? Can you prove this? You're not the first person I've ever heard say this, but I've yet to see anyone say it and back it with anything remotely solid.

Ok bud, when the Native American's get Britain to back them, and come to bulldoze your house, because they had previously occupied your land for thousands of years, let me know how you feel about that. Surely the Native Americans have every right to kick you out of your house right? Even though you don't know a single English settler, and had nothing to do with evicting and murdering their ancestors, right? Please, take the Israel/Palestine argument elsewhere, as well as that tired history lesson attempting to justify the subjugation and Apartheid treatment of 2 million people.

**Metalject** · 09-01-2013, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

Please...give this shit a rest, do not take this thread in the direction of Israel, its about as productive as the birth control argument. You trying to proclaim that ALL 2 million Palestinians HATE all 20 million Israeli's is fu**ing ridiculous, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even saying it dude. And with regards to 'terrorists,' it's interesting how in Syria the 'terrorists' are rebel freedom fighters, but in Palestine, they're terrorists evil do-er's, yet both claim to be fighting for freedom & independence, the stronger power seems to get to label what the weaker ones cause is truly about. You wouldn't like it very much if a third party told you what you believe in, would you?

In Syria, as far as I can tell there is no good side. You have an oppressive horrific government on one side a a group of jihadist fanatics on the other.

Does every last Palestinian have every Israeli? I doubt it, I'm sure many are indifferent just as many in the U.S. are indifferent about everything under the sun other than football and beer. But, the Palestinian people as a whole, their leadership and it's a leadership praised by its people, absolutely, they hate them.

No, I'm not ashamed of myself for stating my opinion.

**Metalject** · 09-01-2013, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

Ok bud, when the Native American's get Britain to back them, and come to bulldoze your house, because they had previously occupied your land for thousands of years, let me know how you feel about that. Surely the Native Americans have every right to kick you out of your house right? Even though you don't know a single English settler, and had nothing to do with evicting and murdering their ancestors, right? Please, take the Israel/Palestine argument elsewhere, as well as that tired history lesson attempting to justify the subjugation and Apartheid treatment of 2 million people.

You're obviously reading whatever you want to when you read my post.
And if you don't like the discussion, no one is making you speak.

**thegodfather** · 09-01-2013, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

You're obviously reading whatever you want to when you read my post.
And if you don't like the discussion, no one is making you speak.

I don't need to read hate filled vitriol and rhetoric disguised as facts. We can play the game where you cite a source in history, then I cite one even further back, all the way to the writing of the damn Bible. However, it does not excuse the CURRENT situation in the country, and Israel's CURRENT policy of 2nd class citizenship, subjugation, and its use of food, medical care, & fuel oil as a weapon against civilians. It's inexcusable behavior, no matter what happened 50,70,1000,2000 years ago. To try to defend such blatant violations of human rights is nonsensical. I don't believe either side is RIGHT, but I can certainly tel you that I believe Israel's behavior to be wrong. And I simply think that you're opening a powder keg by taking the conversation in the direction of Israel when the topic was Syria and US Foreign policy (or lack there of).

**kelkel** · 09-01-2013, 10:06 AM

And now for a commercial break:

Jane you ignorant slut - YouTube

**Black** · 09-01-2013, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by wmaousley

There are 14 offshore Blocks in Syrian waters with proven reserves far greater than Kuwait. Whats not to gain?

In that case, lets send a bunch of troops over there and bomb the country possibly killing innocents. I mean money and oil is far more important than a human life.

**Honkey_Kong** · 09-07-2013, 02:22 AM

"What we've got here is failure to
communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men." *

Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before

Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before

My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "Peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of Deceased to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land

And
I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war

Look at the shoes your filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more

My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

"WE PRACTICE SELECTIVE ANNIHILATION OF MAYORS AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
FOR EXAMPLE TO CREATE A VACUUM
THEN WE FILL THAT VACUUM
AS POPULAR WAR ADVANCES
PEACE IS CLOSER" **

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
And I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
I don't need one more war

I don't need one more war
Whaz so civil 'bout war anyway

**Shol'va** · 09-07-2013, 08:23 AM

This Thread Is Explosive....

**Fcastle357** · 09-07-2013, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

YouTube Link: http://youtu.be/NWaqtG9eRgA?t=10s

"What we've got here is failure to
communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men." *

Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before

Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before

My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "Peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of Deceased to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land

And
I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war

Look at the shoes your filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more

My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

"WE PRACTICE SELECTIVE ANNIHILATION OF MAYORS AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
FOR EXAMPLE TO CREATE A VACUUM
THEN WE FILL THAT VACUUM
AS POPULAR WAR ADVANCES
PEACE IS CLOSER" **

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
And I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
I don't need one more war

I don't need one more war
Whaz so civil 'bout war anyway

Didn't really need a whole song

AD · 09-09-2013, 06:27 PM

CNN poll: Public against Syria strike resolution - CNN.com

**Fcastle357** · 09-09-2013, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by AD

CNN poll: Public against Syria strike resolution - CNN.com

If it only mattered what the people of the U.S. think.

AD · 09-09-2013, 07:03 PM

i wonder if it is even possible to proof who actually used the gas. that would make this decision so much easier.

**Fcastle357** · 09-09-2013, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by AD

i wonder if it is even possible to proof who actually used the gas. that would make this decision so much easier.

Not sure if it even matters. Sounds like the game plan is just to shoot some rockets in there and hang it up. Some Syrians killed some Syrians so were gonna kill some Syrians. Makes sense to me

**Othello** · 09-10-2013, 12:01 AM

To be honest this whole thing stinks...living in a country that is on the borders of syria, I can tell you from first hand experience the assad regime is no bunch of choir boys or saints...for 30 years they wrecked havoc in Lebanon...torturing, murdering, kidnapping you name it...and the funny thing is that they were given the green light in the 90s to occupy what used to be East Beirut (predominantly Christian areas) by the US of A as a thank you for siding with them against Saddam Hussein in Desert Storm 1.

Also, Assad regime has been playing double game since 70s...harbouring known terrorists like Carlos, Abu Jihad, Hamas leadership and at the same time claiming to aid in the fight against alkaeda...a foot with the west and a foot with iran...helping arm Hezbolla and at the same time keeping the Golan front calm with Israel...

Today as a Lebanese Christian, I look at Syria and I say: they are having a taste of their own medicine...

I do feel sorry for the kids and women that get slaughtered on both sides but, and this may sound heartless and cynical, where was the world when we were being slaughtered in the late 70s and 80s? where was the world when syrian troops marched into east beirut in October 90 committing all sorts of atrocities...

I grant you back then there wasnt the mass media coverage there is today but I can assure you that it was worse...phosphorus bombs were used against us...240mm shells would blast through buildings bringing them down on top of their inhabitants...anyways its not a period i like to dwell upon much...

back on topic, I am not surprised at the stance of Obama today...not to sound too wako but no one in the Lebanese street was expecting much anyway...this is world politics guys...its all about ROI at the end of the day....I would however have appreciated less hypocrisy...

**Othello** · 09-10-2013, 12:27 AM

I like this article: Striking Syria: Fight this war, not the last one | The Economist

**wmaousley** · 09-10-2013, 01:18 AM

Thanks for the great read this morning guys. I see this forum has a diversified opinion. I see some of these opinions are inline with Fox News broadcasts and others seem to have conducted a bit of research to determine their own opinion.

I would like to thank all of you for not bashing Islam like some members have in previous threads. Its nice to see some things have changed. Also I am proud of western media for not taking a religious stance on these issues like they have done in the past.

All in all, this is a healthy debate and I respect all of your opinions.

**Othello** · 09-10-2013, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by wmaousley

Thanks for the great read this morning guys. I see this forum has a diversified opinion. I see some of these opinions are inline with Fox News broadcasts and others seem to have conducted a bit of research to determine their own opinion.

I would like to thank all of you for not bashing Islam like some members have in previous threads. Its nice to see some things have changed. Also I am proud of western media for not taking a religious stance on these issues like they have done in the past.

All in all, this is a healthy debate and I respect all of your opinions.

Religion should be split from politics ...as long as they go hand in hand, one cannot advance to the next level of enlightenment...

but unfortunately, in this part of the world, religion determines everything for you....its part of your daily life...work...everything....a little like the color issue in USA I guess...for example: only a Catholic can be president in Lebanon....a Sunni prime minister and a Shiite head of parliament... so in case one had political aspirations, from the birth, they are tailored by his religion/sect...we have like 18 sects and religions so you can see the dilemma we are in...most of the GCC its Islam and two sects albeit shiites and sunnis...and there again you have a lot of segregation that has been ongoing for ages.

As a Lebanese Christian, I come from a very radical background in the sense I was pushed in that corner by centuries of having to fight to be where I am ... to keep my stance...this has caused a large part of the community to toughen up on their religious roots and embrace them even harder...but I haev learned to adapt....

after years of sectarian wars where lebanon was split between Christian and Muslim, I have come to learn that the guy at the other side of the line is no different than I am...he may pray 5 times a day and not eat pork but hes just as human as I...same dreams...same feelings....same thoughts....they have radicals so do we...they have their ups and downs so do we...

I think one large error is being made in the world and that is taking down the non radical Muslim communities, giving way to the fanatics and madmen...

but anyway...Syria is not about a sectarian war...or at least it did not start this way...it was a cry for freedom by a people who had been oppressed by 40 years of tyranny and megalomania...people who woke up and saw that they had been living a lie for decades...people who got fed up of the "big brother" regime and wanted out...

smartest thing assad did was to allow the radicals to come into the game...by resisting for so long (as opposed to other arab leaders who fell rather quickly) he changed the situation to his favor...he used the radical terrorist card with maestro...till he convinced the world that if he was to go down, radicals would take over...which is not true. those same radicals are his creation....he was nurturing them back in the 90s and 2000...he sent us fatah al islam and kaeda terrorsits to place car bombs and blow up innocent people...

but i tend to get heated up with such discussions...anyways I hope justice does prevail someday....Assad regime should be made to pay for ALL their crimes against all the Lebanese people...

**lovbyts** · 09-10-2013, 08:03 AM

Speaking of Obama,

Once again it's Obama's fault because when Bush was president Miley Cyrus was still Hannah Montana. lol

**bass** · 09-10-2013, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by wmaousley

Thanks for the great read this morning guys. I see this forum has a diversified opinion. I see some of these opinions are inline with Fox News broadcasts and others seem to have conducted a bit of research to determine their own opinion.

I would like to thank all of you for not bashing Islam like some members have in previous threads. Its nice to see some things have changed. Also I am proud of western media for not taking a religious stance on these issues like they have done in the past.

All in all, this is a healthy debate and I respect all of your opinions.

so bombing innocent people in the name of Alla and chanting Alla Akbar when people are dead has nothing to do with religion?! be honest and call it for what it is, most middle east wars are religious wars, I lived there long enough and experienced it first hand. so please don't bash the only true and free news network US has left, and don't insult their listeners. now go have a donut.

**Flagg** · 09-10-2013, 11:57 AM

As far as Syria is concerned, Assad is a bastard but he is our bastard. Right now it looks like there will be no intervention and it's the Russians that have saved the day.

Get rid of Asaad and the Jihadists get in, it's not a simple case of removing him from the place.

**lovbyts** · 09-10-2013, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

As far as Syria is concerned, Assad is a bastard but he is our bastard. Right now it looks like there will be no intervention and it's the Russians that have saved the day.

Get rid of Asaad and the Jihadists get in, it's not a simple case of removing him from the place.

Yeah today they saved the day, yesterday they were supplying the arms and weapons. What's in store for tomorrow? Yeah same sh*t US has done for years. Supply our allies with weapons then decide they are our enemy?

We should fix our own mess at home before trying to fix the rest of the world or pretending to understand their conflicts.