Time for Obama to earn his keep

[Lunk1]

US readies rationale for possible Syria strike

[austinite]

Obama? Keep? Same sentence? GTFO!

[Lunk1]

Obama? Keep? Same sentence? GTFO!

Bush would have shocked and awed em already lol.

[Cuz]

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[Negative Knight]

Obama? Keep? Same sentence? GTFO!

Agreed, the most ridiculous thing I ever heard was that he received a Nobel peace prize for doing nothing

[austinite]

Meanwhile... here's Colin Powell dancing on stage with Daft Punk...

[Hazard]

How come France, Britain, or even fvckin Saudi arabia don't do the missile strikes if they're so on board with us doing it? Why the hell can't we keep or missiles to ourselves and let someone else handle it for once.

[Brett N]

Because everyone likes to beg the States to do something and then blame them when the whole world isn't smelling roses and looking at rainbows. They expect the US to fix it all and then complain that we overstep our bounds.

We're kinda like the tooth fairy. Nobody wants to feel the pain of the tooth coming out but they all want something under their damn pillow when they wake up.

[austinite]

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[Euroholic]

Because everyone likes to beg the States to do something and then blame them when the whole world isn't smelling roses and looking at rainbows. They expect the US to fix it all and then complain that we overstep our bounds.

We're kinda like the tooth fairy. Nobody wants to feel the pain of the tooth coming out but they all want something under their damn pillow when they wake up.

Lucky for you theres a no flame policy here. Anyway!!!! The usa is part of the un security council. If anything happens it will be a un operation not a usa only operation. The world does not revolve around you and you alone.

[Euroholic]

How come France, Britain, or even fvckin Saudi arabia don't do the missile strikes if they're so on board with us doing it? Why the hell can't we keep or missiles to ourselves and let someone else handle it for once.

Name one time were the usa were in a un operation alone?

Its united nations not united states nations

[Honkey_Kong]

Syria isn't our problem here. And those "rebels," aren't good guys either.

Military operations aren't cheap and we as a nation are really fvcking broke. Syria poses no threat to America and Europe, I say we stay the fvck out of it before we get more of our people killed and spend billions more of dollars that we don't even have.

If Obama knew what's good for America he'll listen to the people and stay out of unnecessary wars. I don't want him even giving any aid to those fvckers as they're not the kind of people you want to be arming.

[Euroholic]

Syria isn't our problem here. And those "rebels," aren't good guys either.

Military operations aren't cheap and we as a nation are really fvcking broke. Syria poses no threat to America and Europe, I say we stay the fvck out of it before we get more of our people killed and spend billions more of dollars that we don't even have.

If Obama knew what's good for America he'll listen to the people and stay out of unnecessary wars. I don't want him even giving any aid to those fvckers as they're not the kind of people you want to be arming.

Agree its a civil war. Who better to solve a nations internal problems then the nation in trouble.Let them kill other.

[Fcastle357]

Lucky for you theres a no flame policy here. Anyway!!!! The usa is part of the un security council. If anything happens it will be a un operation not a usa only operation. The world does not revolve around you and you alone.

Un operation lol

[Euroholic]

Un operation lol

Yes???? Explain??

[Fcastle357]

Yes???? Explain??

If the us wanted to go to war and the un thought it was a bad idea what do u think would happen. Same thing that always happens. We go to war

[marcus300]

Agree its a civil war. Who better to solve a nations internal problems then the nation in trouble.Let them kill other.

I think civil went out of the window when chemical weapons were used.

[Fcastle357]

I think civil went out of the window when chemical weapons were used.

No doubt. Lets let one group gas women and children and the group that dies off first losses. Get real.

[Euroholic]

If the us wanted to go to war and the un thought it was a bad idea what do u think would happen. Same thing that always happens. We go to war

most countries do what they want anyway Rhodesia is a prime example. The fact is this syria thing is not and will not be a usa only campaign.

[Fcastle357]

most countries do what they want anyway Rhodesia is a prime example. The fact is this syria thing is not and will not be a usa only campaign.

No the us will promise something to someone to get them to join the cause. Fact of the matter is that if the us wants to go to war right or wrong the us goes to war god damn spell check

[Fcastle357]

That way if something goes wrong who's ever in charge can blame someone else. If something goes right Obama can take the credit. Something goes wrong he can point the finger.

[Euroholic]

I think civil went out of the window when chemical weapons were used.

Are they still investigating?

[marcus300]

Are they still investigating?

From the news its looking like they have enough evidence. So we should crush them and make them suffer just like the cowards deserve.

[wmaousley]

Lucky for you theres a no flame policy here. Anyway!!!! The usa is part of the un security council. If anything happens it will be a un operation not a usa only operation. The world does not revolve around you and you alone.

We are the UN and yes my friend the world does revolve around the Great USA.

[cgi]

We would do better if we just minded our own business. Everytime the U.s gets involved in other peoples business they turn out worse and the U.S gets hated on forever.

[cgi]

We are the UN and yes my friend the world does revolve around the Great USA.

Maybe we should leave the U.N and gain our sovereignty back.

[Euroholic]

We are the UN and yes my friend the world does revolve around the Great USA.

Im not getting banned so no comment!!!!

[Java Man]

We are the UN and yes my friend the world does revolve around the Great USA.

Yep.

[Black]

There's no money for the US to gain from this, which is why they've stayed away thus far.

[thegodfather]

From the news its looking like they have enough evidence. So we should crush them and make them suffer just like the cowards deserve.

What moral authority do we have to 'crush them' and how do we determine what they deserve?

What is going on in Syria is an INTERNAL conflict (well, except for all of the weapons we are funneling through Turkey of course), and hence we have no business being involved. 100,000 civilian deaths while tragic, is far less than the number of people who died in Rawanda(800,000 in FOUR DAYS), far less even then the number of people killed as the result of the US led invasion of Iraq (roughly 1 million civilians dead). I would speculate that more than 100,000 people were eliminated in North Korean death camps over the decades. Are you people going to beat the war drum to invade or bomb Rawanda, Sudan, or North Korea?

Here's what you guys pounding the US war drum can do. If you have children, you volunteer THEM to go, send YOUR kids, instead of sending other peoples kids to fight and die in wars they don't believe in, but you do. The most tired argument made, is that we have a professional military, and they signed up for it. Yes, they signed up to defend a country they believe in, I can hardly imagine when they signed their life over, they expected to be used in ways which in no possible way benefit the national security of the United States of America.

[Fcastle357]

What moral authority do we have to 'crush them' and how do we determine what they deserve?

What is going on in Syria is an INTERNAL conflict (well, except for all of the weapons we are funneling through Turkey of course), and hence we have no business being involved. 100,000 civilian deaths while tragic, is far less than the number of people who died in Rawanda(800,000 in FOUR DAYS), far less even then the number of people killed as the result of the US led invasion of Iraq (roughly 1 million civilians dead). I would speculate that more than 100,000 people were eliminated in North Korean death camps over the decades. Are you people going to beat the war drum to invade or bomb Rawanda, Sudan, or North Korea?

Here's what you guys pounding the US war drum can do. If you have children, you volunteer THEM to go, send YOUR kids, instead of sending other peoples kids to fight and die in wars they don't believe in, but you do. The most tired argument made, is that we have a professional military, and they signed up for it. Yes, they signed up to defend a country they believe in, I can hardly imagine when they signed their life over, they expected to be used in ways which in no possible way benefit the national security of the United States of America.

I do have children. And it is a difficult question. I would never want my child to go to war or anyone's for that matter. The children in Syria are at war right now and the innocent are being killed. I don't know what the answer is. But sitting back and watching baby's and women choke to death on gas is hard to do. Everyone wants the perfect outcome to a war that being peace after its done. Maybe saving the people we can for now is good enough. Not sure

[Trevtrev]

Bet if our wonderful anointed president did not draw that 'line is the sand' during his tough talk campaign that they might have never used the weapons in the first place. You see, nobody believes this guy (obama) and nobody fears him either. He's truly clueless and only cares about one thing - himself.

God help us all.

He can earn his keep by staying on vacation and playing golf until he's out of office. He's already done enough damage.

[austinite]

Meh. I generally don't contradict much of what godfather says, but the whole "Send your kids" is so played out. Anytime war is brought up it's "Send your own kids" in an attempt to overcome any potential objections.

There is NEVER a good time to send one's kids to war. No one in theiir right mind would be happy about that. Just or unjust war is not relevant.

[Fcastle357]

Meh. I generally don't contradict much of what godfather says, but the whole "Send your kids" is so played out. Anytime war is brought up it's "Send your own kids" in an attempt to overcome any potential objections.

There is NEVER a good time to send one's kids to war. No one in theiir right mind would be happy about that. Just or unjust war is not relevant.

Agreed. It should not be about who's kids are being sent its about doing the next right thing regardless of out come. If there were people getting gased down the block from you would you sit back and say let them fight it out themselves. Grown men maybe. Children why not its not our fight right.

[marcus300]

What moral authority do we have to 'crush them' and how do we determine what they deserve?

What is going on in Syria is an INTERNAL conflict (well, except for all of the weapons we are funneling through Turkey of course), and hence we have no business being involved. 100,000 civilian deaths while tragic, is far less than the number of people who died in Rawanda(800,000 in FOUR DAYS), far less even then the number of people killed as the result of the US led invasion of Iraq (roughly 1 million civilians dead). I would speculate that more than 100,000 people were eliminated in North Korean death camps over the decades. Are you people going to beat the war drum to invade or bomb Rawanda, Sudan, or North Korea?

Here's what you guys pounding the US war drum can do. If you have children, you volunteer THEM to go, send YOUR kids, instead of sending other peoples kids to fight and die in wars they don't believe in, but you do. The most tired argument made, is that we have a professional military, and they signed up for it. Yes, they signed up to defend a country they believe in, I can hardly imagine when they signed their life over, they expected to be used in ways which in no possible way benefit the national security of the United States of America.

I think the morally thing about the whole of this went out of the window if they used chemical weapons. We as the UN signed an agreement for the prohibition of the development, production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons which was the chemical weapon convention arms control agreement. Of course some countries didn't sign or get involved in this agreement which Syria was one of them along side I think Korea, Egypt, Israel and I think a couple of other countries. I think it boils down to how inhumane this is and that's why the UN are looking at options to see if they can stop this inhumane act carrying on and also the reactions of other countries if we don't act on this.

I know other inhumane acts go on all over the world and the UN doesn't start pounding the war drum but I think its the chemical weapons situation opened a can of worms for us and other countries who may start looking at using them when we don't react to what we think as been happening in Syria. I understand about war and innocent people dying etc. and I am sure this is what is being debating aswell with the United Nations and everyone is entitled to their own opinions and that's fine but if I was on the UN my vote would be crush the cowardly fukers. This debate can go on and on regarding we should and we shouldn't but its down to your own opinions and the act of using chemical weapons in this day and age and were this could lead to with other countries if nothing is done. I agree war isn't good for anyone people die but I do think its going to be a hard choice not to if they have used CW.

War opinions can go on and on but our tiny voices mean fuk all, the heads will make their decision and then another debate will start just like it always does, because there is always 2 sides with war and no one really wins.

[thegodfather]

When a disproportionate number of children from lower socioeconomic backgrounds and the ones who fight and die in these wars, yes I would say it does matter to some extent. In Politics we talk about having 'skin in the game,' so when the majority of our Politicians have none, and they view war as this abstract thing which they see through a computer monitor from a Predator drone, it matters.

Anyway, with regards to Marcus' post. Those are UN mandates, they are not US mandates. The United States really has no business even being part of the United Nations, it severely impacts our sovereignty as a country, and has a deleterious effect on our foreign policy, i.e.- it dictates foreign policy, of which the United States should be solely in control of its foreign policy with no outside influences. So, to be honest, I could really give two flying shits what a bunch of other countries decide should be done, as I really only care what the elected representatives of this country believe should be done. If the United Nations would like to play the worlds police, I am happy to let France, Britain, Spain, Saudi Arabia, and any of the other member nations shoulder the burden both in money and in human lives lost.

From a Constitutional stand point. Force is only authorized when there is a direct threat to the national security of the United States. The Syrian conflict poses absolutely no threat to the United States, and yet again, while tragic that innocent lives are being lost, we have no authority to dictate the goings on of a sovereign country. We lack the authority morally, and we lack the authority by the content of our own Constitution. In practice however, the President via his emergency war powers act, frequently wipes his ass with the Constitution. There are practical considerations here, such as the massive deficit that the United States is running. We cannot afford another war, period. The downsides of becoming involved in Syria are so numerous, and the upsides are so very few.

Additionally, while the evidence of chemical weapons being used is clear, I have yet to see any proof presented by the administration, or the UN, which clearly demonstrates the origin of the chemical attack and the party responsible for it. I do not like to speculate, so I am going to reserve my opinion in this area until more data becomes available.

[marcus300]

But the United States are part of the United Nations, you saying they have no business being part of it doesn't mean shit and doesn't change that they are, the facts are they are lol

We do need 100% prove regarding the CW though before any decision is made.

War is never a good subject, the heads will decide and we will follow shouting and screaming either way and our personal opinions mean nothing on the big scheme of things anyway, lol

[redhawk01]

Some good points made on both sides of the coin. All I know is my son is probably on his way there now. Just got deployed for a 9 month stint. This will be his second time going thru that shit hole.

[kelkel]

If, in fact, action is taken in Syria it does not seem that boots on the ground will be needed at all. Air superiority will likely be the avenue used. The problem is all of the administrations intentions have been announced and now any action taken will be basically symbolic in nature to save face, unless Assad is targeted and taken out. Obviously Syrian forces will have been relocating strategic equipment and coordinating their efforts toward self-protection for days now.

Real problem is what repercussions in the region will follow with Iran and Hezbollah if and when these strikes occur. That, IMHO is a far more serious dilemma.

[austinite]

If, in fact, action is taken in Syria it does not seem that boots on the ground will be needed at all. Air superiority will likely be the avenue used. The problem is all of the administrations intentions have been announced and now any action taken will be basically symbolic in nature to save face, unless Assad is targeted and taken out. Obviously Syrian forces will have been relocating strategic equipment and coordinating their efforts toward self-protection for days now.

Real problem is what repercussions in the region will follow with Iran and Hezbollah if and when these strikes occur. That, IMHO is a far more serious dilemma.

Bombs over.......... damascus?