Bugging Out!

[PT1982]

Since we have been on this topic for a couple of days now, I thought I'd start a thread to specify scenarios, bug out bags, EMP attacks, etc.

Say we all went to work on a Tuesday morning (using a mid week scenario for a reason) and sometime around 11am the grid went down. No power, cell phones, most vehicles made after 1982 and many before, and since we are at work, we are away from our loved ones. What would your first instinct be? And what are some ideas you guys have as far as survival in case of a national emergency such as this?

I personally think that if a scenario such as described were to happen that there would be mass panic and total chaos. If it were an isolated event like a hurricane, there is hope that help is coming since the rest of the country knows the situation. So in that case there may not be such panic. It reminds me of a story I recently read about a central Florida town after a string of hurricanes took them out for close to a month. Towards the end things got scary for the residence.

This is all hypothetical and I'm not trying to bring on "doom and gloom". After the last thread concerning this stuff, it made me realize that we may not be prepared. Or maybe not as prepared as we think. Let's try to bounce ideas off of each other so that we might actually be able to help one another in case some catastrophe were to happen. And if I'm the only one that gets into planning out survival tactics, we'll just let this thing fade away. I probably watch too many survival shows.... lol.

[Capebuffalo]

That's why you have to have a plan. I take the m4 out of my truck holster up put my thigh rig and plate carrier on and make my way 2 miles to my sons school and get him walk a mile home. I've got provisions at home to last and fight a while. Hopefully it's a day my wife's day to work from home. Otherwise I don't have a plan to get her at the moment.

[NACH3]

That's why you have to have a plan. I take the m4 out of my truck holster up put my thigh rig and plate carrier on and make my way 2 miles to my sons school and get him walk a mile home. I've got provisions at home to last and fight a while. Hopefully it's a day my wife's day to work from home. Otherwise I don't have a plan to get her at the moment.

I knew you'd be ready to fight till the end! My Man!

[Couchlock]

I have 2 bags ready.

Each contain a tanfoglio force 9mm 3 extra mags, and 3 boxes of fmj.
As well as a weeks worth of MRE's and a box of 12 protein bars. A KABAR in each
A 4 d cell mag light, and a few porno mags

[Obs]

Since we have been on this topic for a couple of days now, I thought I'd start a thread to specify scenarios, bug out bags, EMP attacks, etc.

Say we all went to work on a Tuesday morning (using a mid week scenario for a reason) and sometime around 11am the grid went down. No power, cell phones, most vehicles made after 1982 and many before, and since we are at work, we are away from our loved ones. What would your first instinct be? And what are some ideas you guys have as far as survival in case of a national emergency such as this?

I personally think that if a scenario such as described were to happen that there would be mass panic and total chaos. If it were an isolated event like a hurricane, there is hope that help is coming since the rest of the country knows the situation. So in that case there may not be such panic. It reminds me of a story I recently read about a central Florida town after a string of hurricanes took them out for close to a month. Towards the end things got scary for the residence.

This is all hypothetical and I'm not trying to bring on "doom and gloom". After the last thread concerning this stuff, it made me realize that we may not be prepared. Or maybe not as prepared as we think. Let's try to bounce ideas off of each other so that we might actually be able to help one another in case some catastrophe were to happen. And if I'm the only one that gets into planning out survival tactics, we'll just let this thing fade away. I probably watch too many survival shows.... lol.

On emp subject... I have considered selling lead cases for pcm's on vehicles.stick my 7.3 IDM and PTCM in a lead box and you are gonna have to throw a nuke at it to disable it.

[kelkel]

make my way 2 miles to my sons school and get him walk a mile home.

Ok, what am I missing? The math isn't adding up. Shortcut on the way home?

[MuscleScience]

I'm not to worried about an EMP as much as I am worried about
A breakdown of society. I can see something like the purge happening more so than anything else.

[Obs]

I'm not to worried about an EMP as much as I am worried about
A breakdown of society. I can see something like the purge happening more so than anything else.

I believe a collapse would be caused by weak individuals that would be very easily wiped clean from the earth by the stronger individuals they have a tendancy to spit on.

I.E. City folk cant eat for more than three days without their rural commodities. As soon as they left the confines of the city to steal commodities in rural areas they would be put down in about a week and the country would be restored by the hard working, straight laced folks who were just protecting their property.

As a side note, in this scenario, liberalism would be scourged from existence for 50-100 years on American soil. Just being optimistic though.

[thegodfather]

I'm in a unique situation....so I usually carry in my pack an IFAK that consists of:

1- quick clot
1- CPR shield
1- set of poly gloves
2- dressings
1- nylon tourniquet
2- blister packs of activated charcoal
1- blister pack of Ciprofloxacin
1- blister pack of Aspirin
1- Nubain readyject
1- bottle of Betadine
1- bottle of disinfectant
1- roll of medical tape
1- bottle of sunscreen (it gets hot in the desert)

I keep a pack of 6, 1.5 litre waters in the program vehicle at all times.

[MuscleScience]

I believe a collapse would be caused by weak individuals that would be very easily wiped clean from the earth by the stronger individuals they have a tendancy to spit on.

I.E. City folk cant eat for more than three days without their rural commodities. As soon as they left the confines of the city to steal commodities in rural areas they would be put down in about a week and the country would be restored by the hard working, straight laced folks who were just protecting their property.

As a side note, in this scenario, liberalism would be scourged from existence for 50-100 years on American soil. Just being optimistic though.

For sure, millions would starve today. Not me, I would probably get even fatter...lol

[Capebuffalo]

Ok, what am I missing? The math isn't adding up. Shortcut on the way home?

I'm not a stay at home dad. I'll be leaving work then going home. Assuming this happens on a work day. If not a mile there and a mile back.

[Sh0tsf1red]

LOL at these responses

I was a FEMA Incident Commander, if the shit hits the fan there is only one logical move to make:

Kill everyone around you and save a bullet for each member of your family and yourself.

The "plan" that the authorities have does not have provisions for the common man, that's the hard truth.

So keep hoarding and making sure your bug out bag has all kinds of fancy shit in it. When you get shot from 1000 yards away, not only will you not see it coming but you'll make my final hours of existence more tolerable before I meet the same fate.

Most of the guys I served and train with are just waiting to start the roving death squads, so keep hoarding food/water/medical. Less shit to carry when they make it to your town.

If you aren't training with your firearm and training your body for this kind of stuff now, it's too late.

[Sh0tsf1red]

That's why you have to have a plan. I take the m4 out of my truck holster up put my thigh rig and plate carrier on and make my way 2 miles to my sons school and get him walk a mile home. I've got provisions at home to last and fight a while. Hopefully it's a day my wife's day to work from home. Otherwise I don't have a plan to get her at the moment.

Thigh rig and plate carrier? What about a ballistics rated level IV helmet?

#headshotsonly

[Capebuffalo]

Thigh rig and plate carrier? What about a ballistics rated level IV helmet?

#headshotsonly

I can't afford everything at once. My plan is to pick it up when theres a break in my killing field.

[Sh0tsf1red]

I can't afford everything at once. My plan is to pick it up when theres a break in my killing field.

You mean you don't have an extra $2k laying around for the helmet and up to $40k to outfit it properly?? Come on rookie! JK!

I hear you, can't afford it all.

Figure out where your local sheriff substation is, go there first when it gets hot. Those guys have families too and won't be sticking around. They will take all they can carry but the scraps they leave behind could be a difference maker.

[DocToxin8]

Thigh rig and plate carrier? What about a ballistics rated level IV helmet?

#headshotsonly

So your solution is just to get more guns, bigger guns, military grade stuff?
Cause if a group of say 50, armed with everything from M16s to .50cal sniper and .50cal machine guns, not forget some grenade launchers and the like,
I think if such a group decide to attack you,
you can put up a fight depending on terrain and such,
but there comes a point where overwhelming firepower will just shift the odds severely.

I think it will take quite a long time for chaos to build up to such levels over here. Glad I'm living in a country where room and water won't be a problem.
Food shouldn't either, we produce enough to sustain the whole population.
So basically, as long as people don't quit production,
we will be totally fine over here.
A nuke would be less than ideal, but if you survive,
still more than enough room and crops should be good enough to sustain life.
More than enough water too.

More than anything I'd hope for consolidation of the country during such a crisis, cooperation. And looking at WW2 and post WW2 era,
that's exactly what happened.

[Sh0tsf1red]

So your solution is just to get more guns, bigger guns, military grade stuff?
Cause if a group of say 50, armed with everything from M16s to .50cal sniper and .50cal machine guns, not forget some grenade launchers and the like,
I think if such a group decide to attack you,
you can put up a fight depending on terrain and such,
but there comes a point where overwhelming firepower will just shift the odds severely.

I think it will take quite a long time for chaos to build up to such levels over here. Glad I'm living in a country where room and water won't be a problem.
Food shouldn't either, we produce enough to sustain the whole population.
So basically, as long as people don't quit production,
we will be totally fine over here.
A nuke would be less than ideal, but if you survive,
still more than enough room and crops should be good enough to sustain life.
More than enough water too.

More than anything I'd hope for consolidation of the country during such a crisis, cooperation. And looking at WW2 and post WW2 era,
that's exactly what happened.

1. You can't shoot what you can't see...
2. Overwhelming firepower doesn't mean shit when you have limited ammo
3. Are you in USA? Because food, specifically water is going to be a huge issue. You know all those public water supplies that use water treatment plants? No power means they will be contaminated every natural water source in their system. People will literally shit themselves to death.
4. Crops after a nuclear attack? Try some Fukushima farm fresh greens and let me know how that works for you.
5.THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO HEAR IN A NATIONAL CRISIS IS "IM FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND IM HERE TO HELP"

[DocToxin8]

1. You can't shoot what you can't see...
2. Overwhelming firepower doesn't mean shit when you have limited ammo
3. Are you in USA? Because food, specifically water is going to be a huge issue. You know all those public water supplies that use water treatment plants? No power means they will be contaminated every natural water source in their system. People will literally shit themselves to death.
4. Crops after a nuclear attack? Try some Fukushima farm fresh greens and let me know how that works for you.
5.THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO HEAR IN A NATIONAL CRISIS IS "IM FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND IM HERE TO HELP"

1. No I can't. Someone that has located your position with overwhelming technology can.
2. Limited ammo? That's one reason to kill you, get your ammo.
But not if it would cost more than you have.
3. No I don't live in the US, why do you think I said I even think it possible that the nation would actually cooperate under such a crisis?
It's not from looking at how you US citizens plan to treat each other.
And we don't need to clean waste water over here.
If we did though, I'd hope someone would get power up and running instead of just bugging out. But for sake of argument let's say don't;
Still got enough water. More than plenty.
4. Crops after a nuke absolutely!
Take a look at the size of Norway and then estimate how many nukes it would take to render our crops useless. You would have to bomb places where nobody lives.
5. I'm not afraid of our government actually.
Yes it isn't perfect, but they're not the "enemy" either.
And crops with a tad of radioactive fallout is much better than no crops at all.

[Capebuffalo]

You mean you don't have an extra $2k laying around for the helmet and up to $40k to outfit it properly?? Come on rookie! JK!

I hear you, can't afford it all.

Figure out where your local sheriff substation is, go there first when it gets hot. Those guys have families too and won't be sticking around. They will take all they can carry but the scraps they leave behind could be a difference maker.

I work literally next to the police station and across the street from city hall. Lol

[DocToxin8]

I believe a collapse would be caused by weak individuals that would be very easily wiped clean from the earth by the stronger individuals they have a tendancy to spit on.

I.E. City folk cant eat for more than three days without their rural commodities. As soon as they left the confines of the city to steal commodities in rural areas they would be put down in about a week and the country would be restored by the hard working, straight laced folks who were just protecting their property.

As a side note, in this scenario, liberalism would be scourged from existence for 50-100 years on American soil. Just being optimistic though.

So your logic is that all city folk should be exterminated?
Sometimes it's hard to see how much you're saying is joking or not,
Since you seem pretty pissed off.
I get your angry about the country's state of affairs,
but would argue that your perspective of it doesn't help the situation.
(Or yourself. It must be tiresome to be angry about everything that's wrong all the time, instead of sometimes contemplating what is right.)

[Capebuffalo]

Everybody take a deep breath. Those no right or wrong answer. Just your ability to adapt and over come the situation. Survive, however you have to. That's it. I'm not saying to not have a plan. But you will have to adjust any plan at anytime. You can't stop because it's not going by the numbers. You stop you die. You know what they say about the best laid plans of mice and men.

[Sh0tsf1red]

1. No I can't. Someone that has located your position with overwhelming technology can.
2. Limited ammo? That's one reason to kill you, get your ammo.
But not if it would cost more than you have.
3. No I don't live in the US, why do you think I said I even think it possible that the nation would actually cooperate under such a crisis?
It's not from looking at how you US citizens plan to treat each other.
And we don't need to clean waste water over here.
If we did though, I'd hope someone would get power up and running instead of just bugging out. But for sake of argument let's say don't;
Still got enough water. More than plenty.
4. Crops after a nuke absolutely!
Take a look at the size of Norway and then estimate how many nukes it would take to render our crops useless. You would have to bomb places where nobody lives.
5. I'm not afraid of our government actually.
Yes it isn't perfect, but they're not the "enemy" either.
And crops with a tad of radioactive fallout is much better than no crops at all.

1. Can't rely on tech, what about an EMP?
2. I meant with limited ammo I think it would be unlikely for an army of 50 like you described to come after and use 'overwhelming firepower' on one man
3. You missed the point about waste water, most water treatment systems are connected to natural water sources.
4. It's not the nuke, it's the radioactive fallout. Spreads far and wide.
5. You probably should be, they are afraid of you.

[Sh0tsf1red]

Everybody take a deep breath. Those no right or wrong answer. Just your ability to adapt and over come the situation. Survive, however you have to. That's it. I'm not saying to not have a plan. But you will have to adjust any plan at anytime. You can't stop because it's not going by the numbers. You stop you die. You know what they say about the best laid plans of mice and men.

I don't think anyone is getting too worked up. I'm not at least.

I think it's good conversation with interesting view points from all

[DocToxin8]

1. Can't rely on tech, what about an EMP?
2. I meant with limited ammo I think it would be unlikely for an army of 50 like you described to come after and use 'overwhelming firepower' on one man
3. You missed the point about waste water, most water treatment systems are connected to natural water sources.
4. It's not the nuke, it's the radioactive fallout. Spreads far and wide.
5. You probably should be, they are afraid of you.

I see your point, but do you have such limited stockpiles of ammo in the US that a group of say 50 military going rogue during such a crisis wouldn't be able to refill their stocks? Or a paramilitary group? Idk.

Nah, I understood about waste water. I say we don't have that issue here.
Water is one thing we never worry about here, there are some waste water facilities, but they are very ineffective compared to other countries, since we've never needed them.
As I said, I'd rather have some radioactive fallout in my crops than no crops at all. Might shave 10 years of my life, but radioactivity has to be very high before it's "no go food".
But I'd we are taking nuke holocaust WW3 I get your point. We are all pretty much screwed then.

Our government is only to be feared in peace time or when it's not national crisis over here. If crisis id trust em. Not in crisis; they want to take my AAS!

[DocToxin8]

western military has been pretty concerned about EMPs for a long time,
much of the vehicles and stuff are pretty much immune to it now I think.
Or immune might be wrong word, but not very susceptible too at least.

[Sh0tsf1red]

I see your point, but do you have such limited stockpiles of ammo in the US that a group of say 50 military going rogue during such a crisis wouldn't be able to refill their stocks? Or a paramilitary group? Idk.

Nah, I understood about waste water. I say we don't have that issue here.
Water is one thing we never worry about here, there are some waste water facilities, but they are very ineffective compared to other countries, since we've never needed them.
As I said, I'd rather have some radioactive fallout in my crops than no crops at all. Might shave 10 years of my life, but radioactivity has to be very high before it's "no go food".
But I'd we are taking nuke holocaust WW3 I get your point. We are all pretty much screwed then.

Our government is only to be feared in peace time or when it's not national crisis over here. If crisis id trust em. Not in crisis; they want to take my AAS!

It's not that there is limited stockpile, it's what you can carry effectively. Remember, there may not be gasoline to throw it all in a truck.

Speaking of AAS, now that's something worth hoarding!!!!

[Sh0tsf1red]

western military has been pretty concerned about EMPs for a long time,
much of the vehicles and stuff are pretty much immune to it now I think.
Or immune might be wrong word, but not very susceptible too at least.

We are laughably unprepared for EMP, the whole world that is...

[Obs]

So your logic is that all city folk should be exterminated?
Sometimes it's hard to see how much you're saying is joking or not,
Since you seem pretty pissed off.
I get your angry about the country's state of affairs,
but would argue that your perspective of it doesn't help the situation.
(Or yourself. It must be tiresome to be angry about everything that's wrong all the time, instead of sometimes contemplating what is right.)

Maybe you shouldn't read my posts?
In a severe crisis in todays age, as in hide and eat, tell me where the city people will hide and what they will eat?
They won't in a situation like that, those prepared would survive much longer than those not prepared. Those not prepared would have to resort to stealing. Doc I understand you don't get me. Nowhere in my post did I say deserve to die. Don't add shit.

You wont get me because you don't live here and you have a socialist mindset. Believe me in crisis your government wont save you. If thats your best laid plan then you will starve too. There are millions in cities that after three days or less would be stealing to live.

Go watch the movie "the road".

NO, NOTHING IN MY POST WAS A JOKE PRINCESS .

You know what, fuck it, I will just go to doc's house and his government can save me.

[DocToxin8]

It's not that there is limited stockpile, it's what you can carry effectively. Remember, there may not be gasoline to throw it all in a truck.

Speaking of AAS, now that's something worth hoarding!!!!

Now we are talking;
Cause that's what's on my mind hoarding.
AAS and medicines! I've always got 20ml extra stashed away at a friends place just in case!
Food and water I'll hoard when I must.
(Water is plentiful, and during a crisis one could always eat the dead anyway.
So those two should be covered, lol)

[Capebuffalo]

Hacker shutting the grid down is my number one pick. Society would freak out.

[DocToxin8]

Maybe you shouldn't read my posts?
In a severe crisis in todays age, as in hide and eat, tell me where the city people will hide and what they will eat?
They won't in a situation like that, those prepared would survive much longer than those not prepared. Those not prepared would have to resort to stealing. Doc I understand you don't get me. Nowhere in my post did I say deserve to die. Don't add shit.

You wont get me because you don't live here and you have a socialist mindset. Believe me in crisis your government wont save you. If that your best laid plan the you will starve to. There are millions in cities that after three days or less would be stealing to live.

Go watch the movie "the road".

NO, NOTHING IN MY POST WAS A JOKE PRINCESS .

No I thought not either.
I misunderstood your post then,
I guess it was your labeling of "weak" and "strong" people that threw me off,
Since that has severely nazi undertones in my language.

My point to you was that you always sound a bit pissed off,
and that sounds tiresome to me.
There's lots of things to be angry about in this world,
but it also depends on what you focus on.

[diesel101]

Limited ammo or guns? Not a problem in my house.
I would be able to survive for quite awhile when it comes to food,ammo,and fuel that I keep stockpiled.
I feel it would take less than 6 weeks before a person is going to have to take human lives to protect what is theirs.
The biggest decision is who are you willing to shoot to protect your supplies. When your good friend or neighbor comes to ask for help and you tell them no how far you willing to go to stop them.

As far as vehicles most vehicles not running during an EMP will not be affected. Depending on year of vehicle a majority of them will restart after an EMP but may have some minor electronic glitches. But no power means no fuel for your vehicle or generator.

Those of us that live up north will have to be more concerned about keeping warm in the winter if we decided to stay at our homes or if we will head south with most of the other sheep. I will be staying up north for the fact that less population to deal with as the rest move south or freeze to death.

I feel that there will three types of people when it hits the fan and society collapses, sheep, Shepherds and Wolves.
Most people will definitely fall into the sheep category.

[DocToxin8]

Your welcome Obs, we got a an extra house in the north nobody wants to use in my family. Perfect place to bug out to;
More fish than you can eat, if you throw out a line with several hooks you'll get more than one fish in 5 min.
Lots of clean water.
No people.
Lots of firewood, enough for a lifetime.

Think all in this thread could shack up there and ride out any crisis.

Got another house in the mountains, but not that much food there.
Harder to survive really.

Still, we did survive there during WW2.

[DocToxin8]

Hacker shutting the grid down is my number one pick. Society would freak out.

If that was possible I think it would have happened by now, just sayin'.
I can think of some groups of people that would really want to shut down the grid in the US,
but never heard of it happening.

Lightning storms have caused it, but not for long.

One part of the country here was without power for two days. Cost some lives but no panic.
Was during coastal storm period.

[Capebuffalo]

Limited ammo or guns? Not a problem in my house.
I would be able to survive for quite awhile when it comes to food,ammo,and fuel that I keep stockpiled.
I feel it would take less than 6 weeks before a person is going to have to take human lives to protect what is theirs.
The biggest decision is who are you willing to shoot to protect your supplies. When your good friend or neighbor comes to ask for help and you tell them no how far you willing to go to stop them.

As far as vehicles most vehicles not running during an EMP will not be affected. Depending on year of vehicle a majority of them will restart after an EMP but may have some minor electronic glitches. But no power means no fuel for your vehicle or generator.

Those of us that live up north will have to be more concerned about keeping warm in the winter if we decided to stay at our homes or if we will head south with most of the other sheep. I will be staying up north for the fact that less population to deal with as the rest move south or freeze to death.

I feel that there will three types of people when it hits the fan and society collapses, sheep, Shepherds and Wolves.
Most people will definitely fall into the sheep category.

That's why you tell no one what you have ever. When at the point of desperation your friend will try to take what you have for his family. At that point it's about survival you put your friend down no hesitation. Sheep will wait for someone to help them. Shepard's will try to help others. Wolves will help themselves.

[Capebuffalo]

If that was possible I think it would have happened by now, just sayin'.
I can think of some groups of people that would really want to shut down the grid in the US,
but never heard of it happening.

Lightning storms have caused it, but not for long.

One part of the country here was without power for two days. Cost some lives but no panic.
Was during coastal storm period.

We have had reports come out lately saying we don't have a way to stop it. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. Maybe Korea is just waiting till they have an active warhead and send it and shut the grid down at the same time. Who knows. Hopefully we never find out.

[Obs]

No I thought not either.
I misunderstood your post then,
I guess it was your labeling of "weak" and "strong" people that threw me off,
Since that has severely nazi undertones in my language.

My point to you was that you always sound a bit pissed off,
and that sounds tiresome to me.
There's lots of things to be angry about in this world,
but it also depends on what you focus on.

Read my posts wit a Morgan Freeman narration in your head. I'm not Jack Nicholson.

In survival there is weak and strong, prepared or unprepared.
Literally most people from or in cities would be wiped out trying to survive a years long collapse of civilization such as after nuclear attacks. Its not a wish its a fact. 99% of people have zero plan in place and most of the "preppers" would be shot and have everything stolen in the first year.
Really, anyone interested in this go watch "The Road".

[Capebuffalo]

I can skin a buck. I can run a trout line. This Country Boy will survive.

[DocToxin8]

Read my posts wit a Morgan Freeman narration in your head. I'm not Jack Nicholson.

In survival there is weak and strong, prepared or unprepared.
Literally most people from or in cities would be wiped out trying to survive a years long collapse of civilization dich as after nuclear attacks. Its not a wish its a fact. 99% of people have zero plan in place and most of the "preppers" would be shot and have everything stolen in the first year.
Really, anyone interested in the go watch "The Road".

In such a scenario, which sounds like a post apocalyptic world,
not that many would survive no.

Best plan to survive would be to live a place that could withstand it.
All sparsely populated places with clean water and access to food (game, fish, maybe crops depending on situation) would be the place to be.
One could expect masses of humans to come swarming,
but then you're not far enough away.
Like the house in mentioned in the north.

Takes two days by car from Oslo to get there.
No "mass of people" will ever come looking.
What does come you could either invite in,
(As you'd really want the company more than you'd fear losing ground, food, etc) or if of the paranoid type, they'd have plenty of space to avoid you if you don't manage to kill them with your first shot.

The US is quite a big place too, and should have enough space, but again idk.
You got more people too.

[hollowedzeus]

Not many guns in the uk... got air rifles but thats it. Would do for hunting.

If such panic errupted... to the forrests with knives it is.