Bugging Out!

[MuscleScience]

LOL at these responses

I was a FEMA Incident Commander, if the shit hits the fan there is only one logical move to make:

Kill everyone around you and save a bullet for each member of your family and yourself.

The "plan" that the authorities have does not have provisions for the common man, that's the hard truth.

So keep hoarding and making sure your bug out bag has all kinds of fancy shit in it. When you get shot from 1000 yards away, not only will you not see it coming but you'll make my final hours of existence more tolerable before I meet the same fate.

Most of the guys I served and train with are just waiting to start the roving death squads, so keep hoarding food/water/medical. Less shit to carry when they make it to your town.

If you aren't training with your firearm and training your body for this kind of stuff now, it's too late.

I find your comments very disturbing. I have a hard time believing that red blooded patriotic Americans would turn on their own. Sure killing hippies and liberals because they don't really like America, I can see that slightly more plausible. I don't know Maybe I'm wrong, I wouldn't be able to go into a midwestern town and start killing people regardless how good my pay was.

I'm not personally attacking you, I'm just saying if that's really how FEMA and the US government thinks about its citizens. Then we have the second amendment for good reason.

[Obs]

In such a scenario, which sounds like a post apocalyptic world,
not that many would survive no.

Best plan to survive would be to live a place that could withstand it.
All sparsely populated places with clean water and access to food (game, fish, maybe crops depending on situation) would be the place to be.
One could expect masses of humans to come swarming,
but then you're not far enough away.
Like the house in mentioned in the north.

Takes two days by car from Oslo to get there.
No "mass of people" will ever come looking.
What does come you could either invite in,
(As you'd really want the company more than you'd fear losing ground, food, etc) or if of the paranoid type, they'd have plenty of space to avoid you if you don't manage to kill them with your first shot.

The US is quite a big place too, and should have enough space, but again idk.
You got more people too.

Tbh if I didnt have kids and there was a nuclear attack I would want that nuke to land on my head.
Its nearly impossible to live a life worth having after something like that. Even the best doomsday prepper would step outside and catch a bullet from 1000 yrds out so that his supplies could be raided. In situations like that life is: Hide and eat.
What kind of life is that?

[DocToxin8]

Not many guns in the uk... got air rifles but thats it. Would do for hunting.

If such panic errupted... to the forrests with knives it is.

The U.K. Is probably much like Norway;
You got way more guns than you know about.
From just the casual hunter to large stockpiles from WW2.

I friend of mine told me about when their a part of their farm started burning.
The fire brigade came, then they just sealed of the whole area.
Turned out that there was stockpile of guns and ammo there.
Didn't blow up though.

The U.K. were pretty concerned about a German invasion,
(Were as we got occupied for 5 years, and continued stockpiling after that during the Cold War)
and even if you forget about these ammo dumps you got some personnel with guns all the same.

Luckily I feel that people in the U.K., (and I think as MS puts it, in the US too)
most people would not shoot other people unless really fucked up.

Most people have more respect for human life than I have,
and even I wouldn't shoot just for sport.
(Like; finally! I can shoot all these fuckers without consequence! Lot at me go!
I'll fill my bathtub with the blood of your children! Oh yes!)

[hollowedzeus]

If there is i dont know of any stockpiles! Haha

There's plently of farmers with shotguns around me but as far as i know thats it.

Im not so sure i share your optimism on that. I think there would be mass riots and violence in the cities should an emp go off.

Everyone man for himself. I would take no part in the chaos.

Go for a pint in the winchester and wait for it all to blow over

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[MuscleScience]

I have got to say, if the US government doesn't have the balls to finish off the taliban who cut off people's heads, fuck goats and live in caves. I can't see them going to war with their own citizens who's only crime is believing in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[DocToxin8]

I think it's easier to consider that all people are assholes and would eat each other in a "purge" way, than to consider that people can actually be very heroic during crisis.

Take a look at history.

We've had many crisis over in Europe,
-roving squads of soldiers in post WW1 Germany (were people starved to death, so imagine you could kill without consequence)
-in earlier times also, lots of soldiers just pillaging their own country,
it nowhere close to what the enemy did.

-how communities in many European countries actually upheld order within even when the nazis had occupied and spurred civil unrest against Jews, etc.

Bit of both.

I have a family member, (one of the many crazies),
he's not the one you'd like visiting.
He told me about when he was a FN/UN soldier in Palestine.
And he didn't particularly like Palestine.

So one day he and his friend said to each other;
(He claimed it was his friends idea, but well...)
"Today id like to shoot an Arab guy!"
They both tought this to be a really good idea.
And even had a goat shepherd they knew,
(Which was what he described as "lazy")
kinda picked out for this. At least when they passed him.

"So we shot him right there!" He joyfully explained to me,
(I was 12yo at the time)
and then he gave a light chuckle as if just the memory was extremely funny to him.

But, very few people are like that.
(Except on that side of my family there's actually a few)

[Capebuffalo]

You realize it will be Zombies right?

[DocToxin8]

You realize it will be Zombies right?

If those family members come back as zombies that would really scare me!

There's one other "famous one";
He joined to fight in Nicaragua I think,
(Not sure about the location, was young back then and didn't really understand it, and it's never been talked about later)
Told all his family his reasoning was
"I want to die in a war zone."
Also a very sound mind that one.

Needless to say, being that crazy, he survived his tour.
Only man that could kill him was himself.
I guess I got a reputation to live up to!

[Capebuffalo]

Every man for themselves.

[DocToxin8]

Every man for themselves.

Yeah, who cares about their wife and child?
such trivial stuff really.
When I was little i was told children came from the supermarket.

[DocToxin8]

Ok, sorry if I derailed the thread from prepping.

If that what you want to discuss then I'll stay out of it.
As I can absolutely see that prepping a little could be considered not only prudent in case of a crisis, but it gives you the feeling of being self sustained,
which I think has value in itself.

The reason why I might seem to be against the idea (I'm really not),
is cause I think no doomsday scenario will really happen.
I can see the risk for a pandemic,
that's the real risk I see and one that can happen.

In such a case the best thing to prep would be haz mat suits, gas masks, etc.
And while it might certainly lead to chaos when people start dying,
there's so many degrees and other variables that will factor in too.

And if you want to prep for that, the only real solution I can see is to get to a place where you can isolate yourself from other people.
In essence; the solution is "lebensraum"

[Sh0tsf1red]

I find your comments very disturbing. I have a hard time believing that red blooded patriotic Americans would turn on their own. Sure killing hippies and liberals because they don't really like America, I can see that slightly more plausible. I don't know Maybe I'm wrong, I wouldn't be able to go into a midwestern town and start killing people regardless how good my pay was.

I'm not personally attacking you, I'm just saying if that's really how FEMA and the US government thinks about its citizens. Then we have the second amendment for good reason.

You are right, we go have the second amendment for an important reason.

Remember, there are enemies foreign and domestic and that will be very clear if shit goes down. Sadly, not everyone in uniform has our best interest in mind. We have been infiltrated at all levels of government and military. That's why it's more important than ever to stand up for and defend traditional American values.

[Sh0tsf1red]

I have got to say, if the US government doesn't have the balls to finish off the taliban who cut off people's heads, fuck goats and live in caves. I can't see them going to war with their own citizens who's only crime is believing in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

We don't want the war to end, we need it for economic and energy security. The war designed to be an ongoing conflict. This is all going according to plan, sadly.

[Sh0tsf1red]

I find your comments very disturbing. I have a hard time believing that red blooded patriotic Americans would turn on their own. Sure killing hippies and liberals because they don't really like America, I can see that slightly more plausible. I don't know Maybe I'm wrong, I wouldn't be able to go into a midwestern town and start killing people regardless how good my pay was.

I'm not personally attacking you, I'm just saying if that's really how FEMA and the US government thinks about its citizens. Then we have the second amendment for good reason.

The people firing on US citizens won't even know they are doing it. They will be sending commands to a drone from a base thousands of miles away. They will be told it's a training op.

[songdog]

You guys got way too much time on your hands.

[DHew]

Pack your bag for 4 days survival. The odds are you'll either die by day 4, or catch up to some sort of safe area by then.

[Capebuffalo]

You guys got way too much time on your hands.

I'll remember that when you're beating on the gate of my compound.

[PT1982]

I want a batsuit, but dont have time to make one. Maybe I'll be able to buy Ben Affleck's at auction on the cheap soon.
This has been interesting to read over and sounds like a lot of us are on the same page. My biggest concern is getting back home. Once we're there, we're good for a while. My wife works a good distance from home in an urban hospital and I work all over within a 40 mile radius. So I try to be prepared with essentials that can be footed quickly. I'd hit the edges of open areas in the tree line to try to get to everyone. I've got a small 1800cu bag that carries everything I would HAVE to have to get 20 miles as the crow flies.
As far as weaponry, my fixed blade, 10" AR pistol in 300blk stripped down to 4lbs, and my Five-SeveN. I know many will laugh at that particular side arm, but nothing comes close on a weight:accuracy ratio. 20+1 at sub 2lbs is hard to beat. My bag consists of a fire source, emergency blanket, makeshift first aid kit, ammo, small bills, silver coinage, crushed water bottles with caps, small titainium 10oz pot.

[MuscleScience]

I want a batsuit, but dont have time to make one. Maybe I'll be able to buy Ben Affleck's at auction on the cheap soon.
This has been interesting to read over and sounds like a lot of us are on the same page. My biggest concern is getting back home. Once we're there, we're good for a while. My wife works a good distance from home in an urban hospital and I work all over within a 40 mile radius. So I try to be prepared with essentials that can be footed quickly. I'd hit the edges of open areas in the tree line to try to get to everyone. I've got a small 1800cu bag that carries everything I would HAVE to have to get 20 miles as the crow flies.
As far as weaponry, my fixed blade, 10" AR pistol in 300blk stripped down to 4lbs, and my Five-SeveN. I know many will laugh at that particular side arm, but nothing comes close on a weight:accuracy ratio. 20+1 at sub 2lbs is hard to beat. My bag consists of a fire source, emergency blanket, makeshift first aid kit, ammo, small bills, silver coinage, crushed water bottles with caps, small titainium 10oz pot.

Does anyone buy gold or silver coins/bars? I thought about doing that and instead of cash. Since gold and silver generally goes up.

[Capebuffalo]

Does anyone buy gold or silver coins/bars? I thought about doing that and instead of cash. Since gold and silver generally goes up.

https://www.jmbullion.com/gold/gold-bars/

[Sh0tsf1red]

I want a batsuit, but dont have time to make one. Maybe I'll be able to buy Ben Affleck's at auction on the cheap soon.
This has been interesting to read over and sounds like a lot of us are on the same page. My biggest concern is getting back home. Once we're there, we're good for a while. My wife works a good distance from home in an urban hospital and I work all over within a 40 mile radius. So I try to be prepared with essentials that can be footed quickly. I'd hit the edges of open areas in the tree line to try to get to everyone. I've got a small 1800cu bag that carries everything I would HAVE to have to get 20 miles as the crow flies.
As far as weaponry, my fixed blade, 10" AR pistol in 300blk stripped down to 4lbs, and my Five-SeveN. I know many will laugh at that particular side arm, but nothing comes close on a weight:accuracy ratio. 20+1 at sub 2lbs is hard to beat. My bag consists of a fire source, emergency blanket, makeshift first aid kit, ammo, small bills, silver coinage, crushed water bottles with caps, small titainium 10oz pot.

10.3 inch is perfect for 300blk, what kind of supressor do you run?

[Obs]

In the midwest the best place you can hide in a nuclear event is Jasper Arkansas. Limestone miles thick all around you to stop radiation. Thousands of caves and the mouth of the buffalo river. The water from the spring is drinkable without treatment and is the least contaminateable water supply you will find probably in the US. Location means everything. You can always find another hole to hide in there and you are always in cover.

[PT1982]

I find your comments very disturbing. I have a hard time believing that red blooded patriotic Americans would turn on their own. Sure killing hippies and liberals because they don't really like America, I can see that slightly more plausible. I don't know Maybe I'm wrong, I wouldn't be able to go into a midwestern town and start killing people regardless how good my pay was.

I'm not personally attacking you, I'm just saying if that's really how FEMA and the US government thinks about its citizens. Then we have the second amendment for good reason.

That's why I didn't reply. It was noted however. I do believe the govt has been playing with the poverty in this county by continually giving giving giving to keep them there. I think the govt believes it's got that "ace in the hole" with those types. They have ingrained poverty and gov't assistance to these people for so long that it's their normal. Take that and couple it with these social justice warriors and then they're could be a revolt of sorts. The true patriots as you're describing shouldn't be overlooked. Maybe were out numbered, but I think there is way more of us than them. The only way I'd turn is if the govt took away protected rights. They're doing their best but the bill of rights was put in place for and by the citizens. The second amendment was put into effect in case of a tyrannical govt. Wee know this, and we know what would need to be done in case of a crisis. The patriots would gift to overthrow the govt no doubt about it. Let's just hope that they don't turn our own on us through means out of our control.

[PT1982]

You are right, we go have the second amendment for an important reason.

Remember, there are enemies foreign and domestic and that will be very clear if shit goes down. Sadly, not everyone in uniform has our best interest in mind. We have been infiltrated at all levels of government and military. That's why it's more important than ever to stand up for and defend traditional American values.

^^^^^This is what scares me....

[PT1982]

Does anyone buy gold or silver coins/bars? I thought about doing that and instead of cash. Since gold and silver generally goes up.

I do buddy! I know there are a lot of naysayers, and rightfully so. You can't eat metals. But history has shown that in recessions and depressions, metals soar. As long as we didn't go post apocalyptic, metals will never be at 0. Even then there would be value. Silver is my choice if I had to choose but I own both.

[PT1982]

10.3 inch is perfect for 300blk, what kind of supressor do you run?

I actually shoot super sonic and unsupressed (for now). I do have a muzzle brake though, lol.

[Obs]

Does anyone buy gold or silver coins/bars? I thought about doing that and instead of cash. Since gold and silver generally goes up.

Something to think about, in rationing type scenarios that allow for civilized life, sugar, coffee, alcohol, and tobbacco are absolutely worth more than gold.
I remember my Grandad telling me stories about the women saving up sugar rations during ww2 and combining them to make a pie.

Hard times make strong men.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make men weak.
Weak men make hard times.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We forgot hard times like WW2 way too easy.
We will see something similar in our lives.
People think today that they are too intelligent and advanced as a whole to ever have to worry about a war like ww2. You don't outgrow war. When you think you have, get ready for hell.

[kelkel]

I'm not a stay at home dad. I'll be leaving work then going home. Assuming this happens on a work day. If not a mile there and a mile back.

Figured it was something like that.

[Sh0tsf1red]

That's why I didn't reply. It was noted however. I do believe the govt has been playing with the poverty in this county by continually giving giving giving to keep them there. I think the govt believes it's got that "ace in the hole" with those types. They have ingrained poverty and gov't assistance to these people for so long that it's their normal. Take that and couple it with these social justice warriors and then they're could be a revolt of sorts. The true patriots as you're describing shouldn't be overlooked. Maybe were out numbered, but I think there is way more of us than them. The only way I'd turn is if the govt took away protected rights. They're doing their best but the bill of rights was put in place for and by the citizens. The second amendment was put into effect in case of a tyrannical govt. Wee know this, and we know what would need to be done in case of a crisis. The patriots would gift to overthrow the govt no doubt about it. Let's just hope that they don't turn our own on us through means out of our control.

Turn on the TV, watch any of the BS protests and tell me they haven't turned our own on us. they are trying to take away free speech right now using manufactured chaos. Bringing in refugees by the bus load all over the western world and pretty soon we won't be free to have any faith but Islam. If you don't think there are some corrupt elements in our government behind it then you need to wake up!

Get out and train with your rifle! Keep train your body! Practice traditional American values and find your faith in whatever you believe the creator is again.

[Sh0tsf1red]

Something to think about, in rationing type scenarios that allow for civilized life, sugar, coffee, alcohol, and tobbacco are absolutely worth more than gold.
I remember my Grandad telling me stories about the women saving up sugar rations during ww2 and combining them to make a pie.

Hard times make strong men.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make men weak.
Weak men make hard times.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We forgot hard times like WW2 way too easy.
We will see something similar in our lives.
People think today that they are too intelligent and advanced as a whole to ever have to worry about a war like ww2. You don't outgrow war. When you think you have, get ready for hell.

LOL gold and silver will be just as worthless as paper currency in a crisis

Obs, meet at tango delta when it goes down!

[Sh0tsf1red]

I actually shoot super sonic and unsupressed (for now). I do have a muzzle brake though, lol.

You need a can on that asap! I prefer SureFire, tax stamp only took 6 months this time .

[PT1982]

Something to think about, in rationing type scenarios that allow for civilized life, sugar, coffee, alcohol, and tobbacco are absolutely worth more than gold.
I remember my Grandad telling me stories about the women saving up sugar rations during ww2 and combining them to make a pie.

Hard times make strong men.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make men weak.
Weak men make hard times.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We forgot hard times like WW2 way too easy.
We will see something similar in our lives.
People think today that they are too intelligent and advanced as a whole to ever have to worry about a war like ww2. You don't outgrow war. When you think you have, get ready for hell.

That goes without saying. However, storage? You'll need the same supplies for your family, plus supplying others. And it can't be travelled well with. And you don't want people coming to you to get supplies because you'll be defending your territory 24/7. Those are great things to store, but diversity is good too.

[PT1982]

Turn on the TV, watch any of the BS protests and tell me they haven't turned our own on us. they are trying to take away free speech right now using manufactured chaos. Bringing in refugees by the bus load all over the western world and pretty soon we won't be free to have any faith but Islam. If you don't think there are some corrupt elements in our government behind it then you need to wake up!

Get out and train with your rifle! Keep train your body! Practice traditional American values and find your faith in whatever you believe the creator is again.

Agreed!

[PT1982]

You need a can on that asap! I prefer SureFire, tax stamp only took 6 months this time .

I've only had this one for 2 weeks. Stamp is in the works

[Obs]

That goes without saying. However, storage? You'll need the same supplies for your family, plus supplying others. And it can't be travelled well with. And you don't want people coming to you to get supplies because you'll be defending your territory 24/7. Those are great things to store, but diversity is good too.

Agree fully.
Never put allyour eggs in one basket and make sure your stashes are hidden and rarely visited by you or anyone. It also helps to never tell a soul.

[thegodfather]

I need to take issue with one element of the story. This idea that you will be shot from 1,000 yards when you step out, wherever, is just nonsense. Literally, there are maybe 20,000 people in the entirety of the United States who have the skill set to reliably hit targets at 1,000 yards. It's a perishable skill, and needs to be practiced regularly. It certainly isn't going to be delivered on a 5.56 AR platform unless that thing is worked. So, lets quit with the histrionics and talk about reality. The majority of gunfights in the United States are with handguns, and the majority of those happen within 3 meters.

Now that that is out of the way. I'd choose the most versatile rifle for that sort of situation, it certainly wouldn't be an SBR. Probably an M1A1 SOCOM with 16" in 7.62.

[calgarian]

created its own thread
EMP save vehicles

[calgarian]

dbl post

[guitarzan]

All my friends bug out plan is to come to my house...lol

[MuscleScience]

Any Labor Day sells going online?