R. I. P. Rich Piana

[BG]

https://youtu.be/wUVTufy9rTg

Enjoyed this video. If nothing else rich was an incredible motivator.

Good post. He lived and died his way.....can't knock it. To each their own.

[Couchlock]

So its a roid overdose?

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[Obs]

So its a roid overdose?

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They may blame whatever they want. It wasnt juice. They found coke in his home. I mean no disrespect to him, but I could see the coke use in his eyes. This was rec drug use as far as I am concerned. Not judging the guy for that either.

[hollowedzeus]

So its a roid overdose?

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Ignore the title of the vid. Cause of death is still to be revealed.

Just thought it was a nice tribute to the guy

[kelkel]

Good video.

[MuscleScience]

My heart is bigger than average, but the size of f.ex wall to left ventricle is the same now as it was 10 years ago. (I know cause I entered a scientific study of athletes, AAS and cardiac tissue effects about then. Couple of weeks ago I did a new ultrasound, EKG, excersize EKG with BP measuments, 24h EKG for another study of the same subject.)
Anyway, when talking to different heart specialists, the thinking is that thickened walls MAY interfere with cardiac electroconductivety.
(Thus predisposing for heart arrhythmias)
But they were not at all certain, and the heart is also able to shrink in size and repair itself to unknown degrees.

In essence, so far it's very difficult to say what effects AAS has on the heart and if it has any negative effects, whether that is permanent.

In the autopsy reports I mentioned one was mentioned as having a large heart (with no atherosclerosis and no mention of previous cardiac events)
died by OD. (No direct link to AAS use, other than that he had used a lot of it)

The other guy was fatter, don't know how fat, but enough to mention it.
He had also a large heart but also a lot of atherosclerosis, with signs of a previous cardiac event.
Whether AAS played a role here is also uncertain,
overweight carrying all the risk factors he had really, so one can speculate if AAS mattered or not.

There's also another thing here, when they say AAS they really mean:
AAS and ANY other drug the guy was or had taken.
So HGH and insulin plus anything could also have played in.

The only real link I've found so far in dead bodybuilders is rec.drugs actually.

Anyways, that strayed a bit from the topic.

RIP.

My thought is, if it was so damaging and harmful it wouldn be so hard to find in the literature. Fact is, smoking and heavy alcohol usage shows very distinct changes to the heart and it's very easy to find the scientific evidence. One thing I learned from my Grad school mentor. When in science you are hard pressed to find evidence of effect, that is evidence enough.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Can anyone confirm that opiates were involved?

In an earlier article I read regarding his initial hospitalization, it was stated that opiates were found in the home along with testosterone . Of course now, steroids are the ONLY drug being mentioned.

Found it:

http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2017/08/1...lder-steroids/

[< <Samson> >]

They may blame whatever they want. It wasnt juice. They found coke in his home. I mean no disrespect to him, but I could see the coke use in his eyes. This was rec drug use as far as I am concerned. Not judging the guy for that either.

Roid OD < what a joke

As far as the other - well, imo this was his as many others downfall


Stims are bad enough, but to someone who's on sauce it seems like a straight recipe for disaster, it's just a matter of time


Bummer :/

[clarky.]

Does it really matter how the man died ppl, it's a fucking sin ffs. The man had a private life of camera and what he did in his own time was upto him.
We will find out at some point what went on and the cause.

[hollowedzeus]

Does it really matter how the man died ppl, it's a fucking sin ffs. The man had a private life of camera and what he did in his own time was upto him.
We will find out at some point what went on and the cause.

Its easy to forget that its a human being with a family and off camera life.

Dallas and rich will be portrayed as idiotic bodybuilders who set bad examples for children because they died of a steroid od.

Regardless... hope they are in a better place now and that their families can cope and work through the loss.

[songdog]

Rip!

[Josh577]

I think it's a major loss. Regardless what people thought of Rich he brought a lot of people to the sport and he was honest about the lifestyle, he didn't try to feed us some line of shit about using supplements from GNC to get his physique. I'm personally going to miss The Man very much and it makes me sad. Worst part is you're going to have all the vultures in the media trying to say it was steroids or pmma doing anything they can to use his name to make the last dollar off of him. think Rich would have said see you on the other fcking side brother

[EDCG19]

His girlfriend has started talking about Rich

[Cuz]

His girlfriend has started talking about Rich

Very sad

[kelkel]

Wow. Very sad.

[calgarian]

Thats just sad. very sad.

[hollowedzeus]

Might be the clomid but some of that was very difficult to watch. Last bit got me.

He is gone but wont be forgotten.

[BG]

His girlfriend has started talking about Rich

Heartbreaking...........man oh man.

[clarky.]

So sad..

[MuscleScience]

Tough...

[PT1982]

The wife and I were just watching his girlfriend defend him on a video. We just found out about it and why were watching. No doubt this'll be the new "Lyle" to the steroid community. She said a few tell tale things in the video that she should have ran through an aide before going on record. One thing was about snorting a powder..... She said it wasn't coke. She claimed he snorted his preworkout because it hit him harder. Uh.... No. He didn't snort the preworkout powder. Does anyone realize how much powder would have to be snorted? She said he snorted his "mass effect" which uses a scoop (30 grams). I don't care. Scarface couldn't have snorted that much powder! Ok, maybe he did and that was the cause. I'm still just angry at how she explained everything. I didn't like nor respect his lifestyle, but I wanted him to get well. I hate to see people that young pass on. I don't wish death on anyone just because I didn't like them. His girlfriend should have waited before releasing this statement is all. She did no favors to us who are into this. Sorry for the rant. I know it sounds cold hearted but I promise it is not. I bet that old sil-ly member we used to have is broken.

[MuscleScience]

The wife and I were just watching his girlfriend defend him on a video. We just found out about it and why were watching. No doubt this'll be the new "Lyle" to the steroid community. She said a few tell tale things in the video that she should have ran through an aide before going on record. One thing was about snorting a powder..... She said it wasn't coke. She claimed he snorted his preworkout because it hit him harder. Uh.... No. He didn't snort the preworkout powder. Does anyone realize how much powder would have to be snorted? She said he snorted his "mass effect" which uses a scoop (30 grams). I don't care. Scarface couldn't have snorted that much powder! Ok, maybe he did and that was the cause. I'm still just angry at how she explained everything. I didn't like nor respect his lifestyle, but I wanted him to get well. I hate to see people that young pass on. I don't wish death on anyone just because I didn't like them. His girlfriend should have waited before releasing this statement is all. She did no favors to us who are into this. Sorry for the rant. I know it sounds cold hearted but I promise it is not. I bet that old sil-ly member we used to have is broken.

I thought the same thing honestly. I am waiting for the toxicology report before I believe any of that noice. As far as the 20 bottles of roids. I believed her on that.

[EDCG19]

The wife and I were just watching his girlfriend defend him on a video. We just found out about it and why were watching. No doubt this'll be the new "Lyle" to the steroid community. She said a few tell tale things in the video that she should have ran through an aide before going on record. One thing was about snorting a powder..... She said it wasn't coke. She claimed he snorted his preworkout because it hit him harder. Uh.... No. He didn't snort the preworkout powder. Does anyone realize how much powder would have to be snorted? She said he snorted his "mass effect" which uses a scoop (30 grams). I don't care. Scarface couldn't have snorted that much powder! Ok, maybe he did and that was the cause. I'm still just angry at how she explained everything. I didn't like nor respect his lifestyle, but I wanted him to get well. I hate to see people that young pass on. I don't wish death on anyone just because I didn't like them. His girlfriend should have waited before releasing this statement is all. She did no favors to us who are into this. Sorry for the rant. I know it sounds cold hearted but I promise it is not. I bet that old sil-ly member we used to have is broken.

Rich, has always done things his way. Nothing wrong with that but being that extreme and over the top is just who he is. He has done lines of pre-workout before and it was never a big deal.

Also, I have noticed some the comments online about "20 bottles of steroids " in his home is kind of crazy for steroid users. Really, is that a problem nowadays I thought everyone who is smart has plenty of gear on hand to last a year or two at least...

[Obs]

Rich, has always done things his way. Nothing wrong with that but being that extreme and over the top is just who he is. He has done lines of pre-workout before and it was never a big deal.

Also, I have noticed some the comments online about "20 bottles of steroids " in his home is kind of crazy for steroid users. Really, is that a problem nowadays I thought everyone who is smart has plenty of gear on hand to last a year or two at least...

You are a hell of a guy GIM. Great posts. I been busy as hell driving down the road reading your stuff. Got me time now. I agree fully on your take on Rich.
Yes he said lots of things I dont mechanically agree with but he was who he was and that was a king!

I honestly winder if a lot of what he said was true for most people. I lift about standard and gain like hell. He said spend 8 hours in the gym you cant overdo it. He was talking to the standard guy though. Yeah my workouts are hell but I gain like a mofo. A standard guy would call my job a workout ×10.

I do shit daily most cant, not a brag its fact.

Everyone ask yourself... "Do I sit most of the day?(desk job)
If you do you are about ten steps behind me or any true BB.
Thanks GIM.

[MuscleScience]

You are a hell of a guy GIM. Great posts. I been busy as hell driving down the road reading your stuff. Got me time now. I agree fully on your take on Rich.
Yes he said lots of things I dont mechanically agree with but he was who he was and that was a king!

I honestly winder if a lot of what he said was true for most people. I lift about standard and gain like hell. He said spend 8 hours in the gym you cant overdo it. He was talking to the standard guy though. Yeah my workouts are hell but I gain like a mofo. A standard guy would call my job a workout ×10.

I do shit daily most cant, not a brag its fact.

Everyone ask yourself... "Do I sit most of the day?(desk job)
If you do you are about ten steps behind me or any true BB.
Thanks GIM.

It's all about how well you pick your parents. Guys like Jay Cutler. If you seen picks of him when he was a teen. You could just tell he had the genetic gift to go a very long way. The fact is, some people just have the gift of putting on crazy amounts of muscle. I mean look at Kevin Levrone. He stops training, takes 16 years off. Gets back into and in 6 months is nearly as huge as he once was. Same with flex wheeler, guy has had 20 some surgeries and is jacked AF at 52.

[MuscleScience]

I also think that's why people feel like when Dorian Yates or Jay Cutler talk about their stack. They feel like these guys are holding back and can't believe they are only taking such small amounts of drugs. When they themselves are taking 3 times that and aren't nearly as big. I'm sorry to say, if your taking a boat load of drugs and in a year or constant training and perfect diet and you still don't look like Jay or Phil or Ronny. It ain't in the cards.

[Obs]

It's all about how well you pick your parents. Guys like Jay Cutler. If you seen picks of him when he was a teen. You could just tell he had the genetic gift to go a very long way. The fact is, some people just have the gift of putting on crazy amounts of muscle. I mean look at Kevin Levrone. He stops training, takes 16 years off. Gets back into and in 6 months is nearly as huge as he once was. Same with flex wheeler, guy has had 20 some surgeries and is jacked AF at 52.

80% muscle memory bro
But we are talking about the top 1%

[Obs]

The apropriate genetics play the most major role. Dorian started early twenties at 170lb.

100lbs of lean mass bro. Thats a champ.

[Obs]

I also think that's why people feel like when Dorian Yates or Jay Cutler talk about their stack. They feel like these guys are holding back and can't believe they are only taking such small amounts of drugs. When they themselves are taking 3 times that and aren't nearly as big. I'm sorry to say, if your taking a boat load of drugs and in a year or constant training and perfect diet and you still don't look like Jay or Phil or Ronny. It ain't in the cards.

Btw my willpower is top on earth. None of you fuckers have this drive I will beat you all.

Never forget that mindset. I will embarass feroce.
Your mind is the key. Go like motherfucking hell, and when death comes for you, he will pass right by.

They aint got shit on us MS, I will let you have second place at olympia.

[PT1982]

I believe the 20 bottles as well. She never said what ML they were, but 20 bottles is a lot.
I met the guy 2 times over the years and both times he was so difficult to listen to. He's not the same person in person as you see in the videos. He over talked everyone, belittled everyone's workout routine, the definition of arrogance. When asked about his 1 day 1 inch arm routine, all he could muster up to say was "you could use it". I told him I could also use some of his synthol, to which he didn't like that response. Other than that, he was who he was I reckon.

[MuscleScience]

Btw my willpower is top on earth. None of you fuckers have this drive I will beat you all.

Never forget that mindset. I will embarass feroce.
Your mind is the key. Go like motherfucking hell, and when death comes for you, he will pass right by.

They aint got shit on us MS, I will let you have second place at olympia.

I'll be in classic physique anyway, I could never match that neck

[Obs]

I'll be in classic physique anyway, I could never match that neck

Nice shot. Lol

[AKD_FitChick]

I am so glad she did this. Very hard to watch, but so worth it.


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[Juced_porkchop]

Drugs are bad. He seemed to have a 'death' wish with all the cocktail of drugs he was taking and has taken. The body has limits.

RIP

and iv seen the typical coke user look in him the last 2-3 years, iv mentioned it before, he was NOT looking healthy. big sure... but not healthy... still.... RIP...

[Juced_porkchop]

rip.... rough vid... dumb on the snorting his pre WO. but still... rip..

[EDCG19]

[kelkel]

and iv seen the typical coke user look in him the last 2-3 years, iv mentioned it before, he was NOT looking healthy. big sure... but not healthy... still.... RIP...

But BB'ing at that level is never healthy.

Good to see you JP!

[almostgone]

My heart is bigger than average, but the size of f.ex wall to left ventricle is the same now as it was 10 years ago. (I know cause I entered a scientific study of athletes, AAS and cardiac tissue effects about then. Couple of weeks ago I did a new ultrasound, EKG, excersize EKG with BP measuments, 24h EKG for another study of the same subject.)
Anyway, when talking to different heart specialists, the thinking is that thickened walls MAY interfere with cardiac electroconductivety.
(Thus predisposing for heart arrhythmias)
But they were not at all certain, and the heart is also able to shrink in size and repair itself to unknown degrees.

In essence, so far it's very difficult to say what effects AAS has on the heart and if it has any negative effects, whether that is permanent.

In the autopsy reports I mentioned one was mentioned as having a large heart (with no atherosclerosis and no mention of previous cardiac events)
died by OD. (No direct link to AAS use, other than that he had used a lot of it)

The other guy was fatter, don't know how fat, but enough to mention it.
He had also a large heart but also a lot of atherosclerosis, with signs of a previous cardiac event.
Whether AAS played a role here is also uncertain,
overweight carrying all the risk factors he had really, so one can speculate if AAS mattered or not.

There's also another thing here, when they say AAS they really mean:
AAS and ANY other drug the guy was or had taken.
So HGH and insulin plus anything could also have played in.

The only real link I've found so far in dead bodybuilders is rec.drugs actually.

Anyways, that strayed a bit from the topic.

RIP.

I did not know this..........


Do you think the heart grows more when using gear/gh along with cardio?

Just to echo what Doc posted. The heart is very capable of adaption in some cases. The proper beta blocker and the biventricular pacemaker I had until I got bacteremia (multiple types of staph) helped my heart partially remodel from the damage that viral cardiomyopathy did.

[BG]

20 bottles isnt a lot. 20 bottle of a short ester would be a decent burst cycle.

[MuscleScience]

Just to echo what Doc posted. The heart is very capable of adaption in some cases. The proper beta blocker and the biventricular pacemaker I had until I got bacteremia (multiple types of staph) helped my heart partially remodel from the damage that viral cardiomyopathy did.

Dang, did the staph attack your heart valves?