Our education system

[The road]

Is it odd that i intend on building an empire not for my kids to be better off necessarily? They will not appreciate it or be able to sustain what I build.

I know this for a fact.
That wouldn't be in their interest anyway.

I grew up poor in one of the brokest areas in the US.
Of 3007 counties in the US 5 of the top 50 Poorest counties were in my immediate area.

I left that place thinking it was great but I realized I had to put that childish shit away and become something none of my family for generations was, rich.

I dont give a damn for comfort.
I never did. I had to prove I was the hardest worker no matter where I was. I couldnt accept that anyone could be more productive at my job than me.
Helped make lots of people rich with that mindset.

Then I grew up and learned the game.
You wont ever be rich working for someone unless you are just lucky. Your wealth will be as stable as your job and will go away as soon as you threaten the job of the wrong person up the ladder.

So I built my own fucking ladder.
I am the ladder and you cant knock me off unless you want to fall.

I dreamed of self employment since I was 12.
What do I want to be when I grow up? "The gd boss, now shut up and get back to work, I have risks to take and contracts to politic."

I crawled out of the sludge.
I have seen the bottom side of poverty and been surrounded by it. Short of winning the lottery, you ain't getting out without being independent and throwing more on your shoulders than you can bear.

I'm not talking about modern food stamp and welfare poverty or "Gotta ask ma to lend me $100" poverty. I never had that. I was bucking hay for pennies a bale at 12 to help pay their few bills.

Same thing made me grow. I am the biggest fucker to ever fall out of my family tree. Buncha scrawny fatass inbred lookin mfers.

I have sat around bored long enough this winter waiting on the busy season I taught myself a lot about marketing and advertising. A lot!
I also taght myself new diversification I will do well at.

Last summer I was in the middle of a job no one man would attempt. My work order dry-erase board was full as could be. I dumped way more than I could affod in equipment. And I wasnt done. In the middle of that job I welded up a loader for my truck that is hands down the most cost effective means of performing my work that could ever be built.

I was overwhelmed and kept buying more shit. I literally completely overhauled my techniques.

I told my gf when I got stuck in a failing aerial lift for the second time in a week "I cant take much more, I'm gonna snap."

I hired a guy that is smart and a hard ass worker. I poitively love him.
Work slowed. As I was heading home last fall I realized, I am always gonna be doing this. I looked back at what I accomplished last year and it was not really that much in terms of assets. It was a total overhaul of everything that burnt me into this business for the rest of my days. I look at what I have for equipment, the guy with me, (employee not gay) and the techniques I perfected this last year; I am not worried or overwhelmed anymore. I know the bids, I know the figures, I know the methods like very select few in a 100 mile radius and I can do it cheaper and better than them.

I can't tell you what it has been like the past few years alone and under equipped. Every job my body would be cramping from exhaustion. I had to pull off the road because my arms and legs would cramp so bad and I ruined the seats in two trucks soaking them with sweat soaked blue jeans. I would wake up and open my truck door and a swarm of flies and horseflys would pour out, if I had left the window cracked.

People think they know what hard physical work is and most have no clue. Starting from nothing, no banks, no loans, no family, no friends other than online; I had insurance and balls.

I had to do everything the most unsafe way imaginable with lack of safety gear I could not afford, I blazed through hundreds of customers and gave each of them a reason to remember me in how hard I worked.

I dont have much but I will.
Its just like bodybuilding. Give it your all and do not stop pushing harder.

In 2018 I hit the low point of self employment. The time when 99% throw in the towel and go back to a hired position. It sucked. I was beat, I thought. I made it through and I almost gave up.

Now today just the thought of ever leaving this is not something I could dare consider. I fought with all I had for years and established myself. I mean allI had.

It took a toll I suppose but its got rewards I cant describe.

My right hand is pretty fucked uo with arthritis and my head has been so full of this for so long I forgot lots of things I was once an expert at. It made me one stubborn ass man. My neck has a bad disc as does my lower. I can hack it.

Every job I do is 3 times as easy as last year.
I am fast, efficient, and just keep on growing mentally as well as in capital.

That was a long story.
How it ties into education...

Education is key to success but it is one very tiny aspect of it.
I dropped out of public school in the 8th grade.
School was easy and I was a hard headed kid constantly getting in trouble.

My homeroom was I.S.S.(in school suspension).
They put me in a cube, I could not fit in today, made of unfinished plywood, facing the wall. From 8 am to 3 pm i faced that wall in a four foot wide cube with a book and a worksheet. I got to get up to eat lunch. That was it. Perfect thing to do to a country kid rebelling because he is bored and knows he is disliked, because of his last name.

I was already overactive and scored in the 99th percentile on state testing. Before I started getting in trouble I was recommended for every gifted program in the shithole school and my last teacher said I needed to be moved up two grades.
"This is easy work for him, he might as well give in and be a good student."

I needed out more and more.

Finally one day sitting in the cube I put my head in my hand and my elbow on the desk.
That was forbidden, but I was exhausted from the prison and wasn't thinking too clear.

The cunt ass ISS watchdog told me to sit up straight.
I sat up and looked at the paneling and snapped.

I stood up and said "Fuck you, you Goddam bitch!" and walked out.

I walked to the principals office and said, "I'm done thats all, I'm not going back."
He told me to leave and not come back until I straightened up my attitude.

I didnt return.
At 15 I was too young to drop out legally.
So my parents stuck me in a private school for goody two shoes and other rejects of public school. I took the placement test and was graduate level in most subjects, but I was too young to graduate.

So they stuck me in the senior year program.

I turned 16 and snuck out my bedroom window of my parents house and they were too lazy to try to bring me back. One called the sherriff and the sheriff said I cant do anything about it, call the county he went to. That was the end of their search. Silly fuckers, I left them a note telling them I would be ok.

I bet my mom still has that letter somewhere, I can't remember what I wrote other than a gentle way of sayin, "fuck off Im done."

I grew up quick working like a mfer. I have never drawn unemployment to this day. Some lazy pussy gets all that shit because he is scared of getting his hands dirty. I missed maybe one day of work in my life.

Anyway, education... I made more than all the teachers combined in my 8th grade public school. Since I was 21 I made more than any two of them at least. The same school that scorned my last name and would not let me advance. The same school that quelled my potential. The same teachers that said I would be pumping gas or flipping burgers, (school counselor actually).

I had good teachers there before I started acting out. A few of them really liked me and the ones that understood me recomended that I be advanced though my last name was synonymous with pain in the ass.

I look back, as a highschool dropout, and realize I got a great education. It was the hardship and anger and hatred for that school that gave me a firm dislike for stupid fuckers and non-hackers.

Its why I went to work determined to be the hardest working guy there and the best at what I am doing. It taught me I was entirely on my own and to depend on no one for any damn thing because they will all let you down. I learned the hard way that if I was to survive I would have to kill snakes and kick ass.

It set me up to enter a workforce until I realized I was looking for something as an employee I would never get.

I realized I was working for a constant pat on the back and I was very appreciated everywhere I worked minus a bunch of New Zealanders that were arrogant as fuck, I blew up on very quickly.

After a while that pat on the back without a pat on my wallet, for outdoing any four others at the company, became a slap in the face.

I didn't burn that bridge but I changed my view and course.

I was better off on my own. I was better off being in control of my own potential and not depending on a company. I was right and I will never go back.

Education, parents, teachers, companies, bosses... No thanks.

I meant it when I left that ISS cube that day.
Fuck you, you goddam bitch!
I meant it when I wrote that letter to my parents and climbed out the window.
I meant it when I moved away from the only home I ever knew.
I cringe every time I pass through that shithole, meth-infested, cursed-ground of rock and ticks. I want to tell people how gd stoooopid they are for living there.

I meant it when I left my last job.
I told them, "You have been the best employers I ever had, I could not work for anyone else, but I am wasting my life if I stay."

I have taught myself pretty much everything I know via self education, hardship, and willpower.

If a subject or thing interests me I learn it at lightspeed. If I think it's useless to me, I wont bother.

I count on being uncomfortable and busting my ass. I count on diversifying and teaching myself new ways to make money and things to be successful at.

Education never did shit for me other than make me a hard nosed asshole because I didn't need their slow paced shit and mediocrity.

The ones I see that follow education from a school turn out to be socialist pussies in lower middle class if they are lucky.

Idgaf how rich you are, you dont know financial freedom until you have clawed your way out of poverty, with no help.

You won't know it until you come home exhausted,
unload your equipment, and go inside to your family eating food from a contract you wrote and finished.

I wouldn't trade that feeling for all the best days my school teachers had in their lives combined.

I got more sand in my little finger and gained more character on the way, than the pussies can find in their shithole county.

Someday I want to buy mainstreet in that town and close it down.

Im gonna write: "Pumping gas and flipping burgers." on all the storefronts.

Maybe then the highschool dropout will write a book about it and the ones there that can read will say, "I used to know him. He was a crazy sumbitch."

It's not for my kids. It's not in their interest. This is my road and these are my feet. Only fucking thing I was ever able to count on was my own independence and the less others try to educate or control anything I do, the more successful I am.

I succeeded way past those teachers already.
The getting rich part is just my way of proving shit to myself. I won't lose. I won't quit. You would have to kill me first.

One last thing, my gf came from the same shit I did. She got out the same way and it sure as hell wasn't public education that taught her to be wise with money and bust her ass. It takes a lot of time, heat, and pressure to make a diamond.

[The road]

There... Done editing my fatass thumb slips.

Next class we will discuss the people I keep company with.

The topic will begin:
Minimal people and no pussies.

Damn... That was almost as long as a beetleguese post.

[Beetlegeuse]

Dayum, The road, that is some compelling shit.

... You wont ever be rich working for someone unless you are just lucky....

As a rule, most employers want to pay you just enough to keep you from quitting. If they made you financially independent, you wouldn't need them any more.

...Damn... That was almost as long as a beetleguese post.

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But WTF do "they" know?

[The road]

Dayum, The road, that is some compelling shit.




As a rule, most employers want to pay you just enough to keep you from quitting. If they made you financially independent, you wouldn't need them any more.




They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But WTF do "they" know?

Im not half as good with posts as you are. You understand this format way better than anyone I have seen and you already knew it when you got here I think.

The word links, indentions, all of your posts are artistic.

Thank you though.

I like your posts. Everyone does.

[The road]

Dayum, The road, that is some compelling shit.




As a rule, most employers want to pay you just enough to keep you from quitting. If they made you financially independent, you wouldn't need them any more.




They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But WTF do "they" know?

I also gotta say, it is generational. My grandfather had potential and worked had and was constantly trying to improve his income in all the wrong ways.

His dad had taught him everything that cost money was a waste of money. Rather than spend $500 on a cattle guard he spent 120+ hours a year screwing with
"Arkansas gates" made from barbed wire and fence posts. Rather than add on to the milking stalls he had to milk for 6 hours a day on a four to a side milk parlor. Rather than fix anything right he limped it along and was constantly having to screw with it.

Rather than have two good tractors he had six pieces of shit.

He worked like a mad dog until he wrecked his quad into a babedwire fence and got swelling on his brain. He was never the same after that.

He was a mathematical genius, he was on the cutting edge of tech and was an artificial insemination pioneer touted in his area for a legendary conception rate.

He just never connected the dots and his kids got none of his talents or natural abilities.

Not being crude because my father did his best and he is a good man, but he had a very low IQ and never got past the stage of busting his ass for pennies and a pat on the back. He thought his bosses were actually his friends. One employer he had was a stone cold evil man and a murderer that was recently indicted for murder.

I told my dad his employer was a sick man. I said he would put one dollar over a human life. My parents said he was a good man. Well 10 years later the guy shot two homeless people in his abandoned warehouse and then shot the attourney of one of the men that sued him after his leg was amputated.

I got to learn a lot from bad example just like my girlfriend. Both our parents were terrible with money.
Alcohol and drugs were a big part of her parents lives. I did not have that misfortune.

As you said though, success is hard to survive. The only thing that really teaches a lesson is hardship.

I had two major influences in my life about doing shit the right way. One was the manager of a concrete plant who taught me it was ok to be hard on shit and treat equipment like a tool that will be replaced. He was very siccessful and a former large scale foundation drill rig operator. He retired at 52.
He ran shit like it was suppose to make money and if it broke we fixed it right, if it was done we threw it away and bought a new one.

The other influence was the greatest mechanic I have ever met. If it had an engine it was an extension of his body. It could be a new gps guided dozer, motorcycle, or new or old car... He could break it doen to its smallet pieces and throw them in a bucket until parts came in. A month later it would go back together just as fast as it came apart.

He helped teach me, your boss does not give a shit about you and you dont work for a company, you work for yourself. He also taught me not to fiddle fuck with the wrong shit. You need a tool go buy it, because we don't have room for afroengineering.

Those two guys undid damn near everything I learned on the farm and taught me the industrial way. They were good teachers.

I have worked with hundreds of guys but those two were gifted. They worked hard in all the right ways.

Success is taking risks after risk assessment and giving it all you got.
You can bust your ass all your life at the wrong thing and never succeed at anything more than burning away your time. You gotta let go of your bias and arrogance and asess yourself and others around you for a long ass time, before you can learn what move to make, but you must make a move every day. Stay up with technology and the heartbeat of things or get left behind.

My family history is full of people who slaved away at the same job making crap pay all their lives because they were scared to make a move. My ex father in law worked for the same company longer than anyone there and is almost retirement age, making $17 an hour with shit benefits and he could be so much more (I pay my guy twice that for half the effort most days).

Fear of losing their security, is what causes most people to never go out on their own or be successful. That is why we are so socialistic today. People want security over freedom.

[charger69]

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. I was bucking hay for pennies a bale at 12 to help pay their few bills.



I look back, as a highschool dropout, and realize I got a great education.


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TR was a rich bitch. Pennies a bale.... I got $.50 a wagon load ( about 150 bales). At 8 I made $2 a week on a farm.

Education is not only school as you stated. One of my best friends was terrible in school however you give him machinery and he can fix / rebuild anything.


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[The road]

TR was a rich bitch. Pennies a bale.... I got $.50 a wagon load ( about 150 bales). At 8 I made $2 a week on a farm.

Education is not only school as you stated. One of my best friends was terrible in school however you give him machinery and he can fix / rebuild anything.


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The most useful tools for success cannot be taught.

Confidence
Work ethic
Improvising (The book says your doing it wrong)
Articulation
Appeal (learning to manipulate people)
Real world money management

In school they teach you the safe way to be mediocre. Everything else you learn on your own.

A masters degree in business management with a specialty trade school under your belt is a far cry from owning your own business without support of some type.

A salesman is the most important aspect of business. Thats something that cannot be taught.
You are either born with it or you learn growing up.

A good salesman can walk into a saturated business market and wipe out competitors with no struggle.

In the shit I do I have to pretend Im not being a salesman and I catch myself getting wormy sometimes. So you say things with sincerity all you can.

Thank god my demographic is usually 40 and up.
I cant work people my age for shit and I make them nervous, which makes me nervous.

[The road]

TR was a rich bitch. Pennies a bale.... I got $.50 a wagon load ( about 150 bales). At 8 I made $2 a week on a farm.

Education is not only school as you stated. One of my best friends was terrible in school however you give him machinery and he can fix / rebuild anything.


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That was also back when a gallon of milk cost one pterodactyl egg and you pulled the wagon with a stegosaurus...

Just saying

[Proximal]

Just an alternate view, with no disrespect meant to any previous posts.

As an educator in a public school, I’ve helped a lot of kids succeed & become successful adults.

I teach them more than my subject. If they don’t understand honesty, work ethic, respect & some every day common sense by the time they’ve left my classroom at the end of the year, I’ve failed.

I’m like many of the guys on this forum, I don’t accept failing & my kids start to understand & embrace that attitude in my little corner of the world.

[C27H40O3]

The public school system could be great. The NYC public school system was once the leader of the world for supplying a quality education in the 1940’s and 1950’s. We had the bests school system anywhere.

We had large fully staffed high schools taking up whole city blocks, with science labs and such when they still had all grades in one room in parts of the south. Kids went on to enroll in the FREE City College of New York if they chose, and it gave an excellent education.

At one point a hundred or so years ago, our country decided that in order to contribute the most in the working world, kids should have a basic high school education. We made public schools available where kids could attend at no cost until the twelfth grade. We decided that would be the best for all the factory and production jobs that kids would be going into.

Fast forward to now. A high school degree don’t cut it anymore. Most jobs have a requirement of at least some college education, even lower level government jobs, such as sanitation and clerical positions.

If that is what is expected by the business world today, we should have that college education available at no cost to today’s students, just as we let them go to 12th grade a century ago when that became necessary.

Our system must change with the times. The public education which was required 120 years ago does not suffice in today’s job market. We must update what we do to prepare our students to compete with the Asians and Europeans that are blowing us away.




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[The road]

Just an alternate view, with no disrespect meant to any previous posts.

As an educator in a public school, I’ve helped a lot of kids succeed & become successful adults.

I teach them more than my subject. If they don’t understand honesty, work ethic, respect & some every day common sense by the time they’ve left my classroom at the end of the year, I’ve failed.

I’m like many of the guys on this forum, I don’t accept failing & my kids start to understand & embrace that attitude in my little corner of the world.

You are a good man.
I had a few teachers like you.

[The road]

The public school system could be great. The NYC public school system was once the leader of the world for supplying a quality education in the 1940’s and 1950’s. We had the bests school system anywhere.

We had large fully staffed high schools taking up whole city blocks, with science labs and such when they still had all grades in one room in parts of the south. Kids went on to enroll in the FREE City College of New York if they chose, and it gave an excellent education.

At one point a hundred or so years ago, our country decided that in order to contribute the most in the working world, kids should have a basic high school education. We made public schools available where kids could attend at no cost until the twelfth grade. We decided that would be the best for all the factory and production jobs that kids would be going into.

Fast forward to now. A high school degree don’t cut it anymore. Most jobs have a requirement of at least some college education, even lower level government jobs, such as sanitation and clerical positions.

If that is what is expected by the business world today, we should have that college education available at no cost to today’s students, just as we let them go to 12th grade a century ago when that became necessary.

Our system must change with the times. The public education which was required 120 years ago does not suffice in today’s job market. We must update what we do to prepare our students to compete with the Asians and Europeans that are blowing us away.




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Asians and europeans are not "blowing us away."
Thats a myth thats been floating around since WW2.

No one is blowing us away.
1.5 billion people in china.
3.4 hundred million in the US and we are the #1 economy.

Kinda goes to show you how important math is, eh?

[C27H40O3]

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That a single private school flourishes proves that the private sector can, will and should be in charge of education to the greatest extent possible.

So I guess if a single military contractor flourishes, we can abolish our military forces?

A single security company flourishes, lets abolish all the police departments.

Disneyworld flourishes, lets close our national parks.

Absurd statement.


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[The road]

So I guess if a single military contractor flourishes, we can abolish our military forces?

A single security company flourishes, lets abolish all the police departments.

Disneyworld flourishes, lets close our national parks.

Absurd statement.


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Why not contract it out in portions, branches, regiments?
Thats not what he was saying but you seem to be stuck on the idea that things must be managed by one superpower.

[C27H40O3]

The most difficult adversity to survive ... is success.

My parents (and their generation) grew up during the Great Depression. Then they fought the War Against German National Socialism, and won. They lived hard and they worked hard because that was the only way to survive. They didn't know anything else.

They fought fascist naziism, Hitler and musillini, not socialism. Much of what we did during the war would be considered socialism. Subsidizing factories and equipment, rationing consumer commodities, free government training to workers during the war, are all socialist activities.

Back to my overall point, the only thing that brought the depression to an end was the approach of WWII. Not FDR's New Deal, that was a widespread implementation of socialism that we still struggle under the yoke of. It only prolonged the Depression because it de-funded the very entities who had the facility to end it; the evil bankers, capitalists and industrial giants. .

They are the ones who caused it in the first place.

All of FDR's financial jigger-pokery had the net financial effect of dipping water from the deep end of the pool and pouring it into the shallow end. Overall, the water level doesn't change but if you put the water back in by pouring it over the heads of the people standing in the shallow end of the pool, if gives their berries a jingle and makes them feel well cared-for.

Then his programs were successful. The government served them well if they were satisfied with their return received.

Except it does nothing to change the overall level of the water. If the overall water level doesn't rise then it necessarily follows that economics is limited to being a zero sum game. Nobody can win unless somebody else loses.

The level doesn’t have to rise if the folks are satisfied with what they are getting from it.

Nonetheless, the people in the shallow end took FDR for a god. Not so much because their lives had improved but because he was punishing the people who they had been taught to believe were responsible for their condition. Bankers, capitalists and industrial giants. Because socialism thrives on identity politics.

No, it’s actually Trumpism that thrives on identity politics.

Regarding the state of education (which is directly linked to the rise of socialism in American politics), I wrote this in another thread:


The forcible interjection of socialism into American politics was the overarching cause (of that and a great many other regressive changes). And that roughly coincided with giving the women the vote. The demoncrats began their march toward full-goose socialism with the 1896 presidential campaign of William Jennings Bryan, and it was culminated in the 1932 election of President Roosevelt. The 19th Amendment, giving women the vote, was ratified in 1920.

I see it’s another “socialism is the boogeyman” post.

Our biggest ally in the war, and many of the others embraced socialism after the war, and by now, by every measure, they are doing better than us.

Their industrial base, their education systems, infant mortality figures, are all superior to ours. Look at how even our former enemy embraced socialism. The industrial base in Germany is huge. They are governed by worker councils, a combination of equal numbers of union reps and management reps. The businesses are run in a way which benefits the greatest number of people, not just a small number of shareholders.

https://www.howtogermany.com/pages/g...nizations.html



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[The road]

You see the government sector fail in competition with the private sector in everything they do, because they dont have to compete.
In fact they choke out the private sector.
Kind of like UPS petitioning that the USPS raise its shipping rates.

The USPS has been losing billions per year and choking out private pacel companies. Well over 70 billion the USPS has lost and is set to be bankrupt and need a bailout soon. This will be 13 years in a deficit now.
Raise their rates!? What!?
But then they wouldn't be able to snuff out the private sector and steal billions in tax dollars, on a failed system set up to support ridiculous pension plans!

Have you ever drove dow a road where the state changed a culvert and felt that giant ass bump that dumped your coffee? It took a crew a week to do it and would have taken the private sector a day.

Except a private company would have been forced to redo it with any more than a 2" variation and warranty their work a year.

But the state did it and called it routine maitenance.
8 guys leaned on shovels cracking jokes about the cliche of a bunch of state workers watching one guy dig.

So instead of it being contracted out for $10k to a contractor with materials included, 10 government workers were paid wages and pensions at 4x the immediate cost and 8x the long term cost, so that a job could be half assed and everyone would get to buy new tires.

Competition is what built us and the government sucks the life out of whatever industry they stick their hands into.

Yes, PMC's do the dirty work the military can't. Precisely why blackwater was used as a scapegoat and brought into the mideast crisis.

They are much, much more efficient than the military branches and did stellar work.

[C27H40O3]

Why not contract it out in portions, branches, regiments?

Sure, lets abolish the military and have thirty, or a hundred different security contractors all work together to secure our country.

Sounds doable.


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[The road]

They fought fascist naziism, Hitler and musillini, not socialism. Much of what we did during the war would be considered socialism. Subsidizing factories and equipment, rationing consumer commodities, free government training to workers during the war, are all socialist activities.



They are the ones who caused it in the first place.




Then his programs were successful. The government served them well if they were satisfied with their return received.



The level doesn’t have to rise if the folks are satisfied with what they are getting from it.




No, it’s actually Trumpism that thrives on identity politics.



I see it’s another “socialism is the boogeyman” post.

Our biggest ally in the war, and many of the others embraced socialism after the war, and by now, by every measure, they are doing better than us.

Their industrial base, their education systems, infant mortality figures, are all superior to ours. Look at how even our former enemy embraced socialism. The industrial base in Germany is huge. They are governed by worker councils, a combination of equal numbers of union reps and management reps. The businesses are run in a way which benefits the greatest number of people, not just a small number of shareholders.

https://www.howtogermany.com/pages/g...nizations.html



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They fought the nazi socialist party.
If you call social security a success, you are past help. Our biggest allies are being overran with muslim immigrants and England is abandoning ship with the EU because socialism is a cancer.

The US is socialist as can be today.
Trump is a cunt, a progressive, and worse than a democrat for freedom.
He is the only candidate and best candidate to vote for in 2020, because at least he isn't a drain on the economy, he has reduced socialism, taxes, and deregulated. That is precisely why the establishment hates him.

I hate him because he has presided over more firearms legislation than any president since Nixon and thats our only ticket out of socialism.

Capitalism is why we are the number one economy.
Even bigger than all those 1.5 billion chinamen that are so great at mathematics.

[The road]

Sure, lets abolish the military and have thirty, or a hundred different security contractors all work together to secure our country.

Sounds doable.


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SOUNDS AWESOME! COMPETITION PURIFIES!
Maybe then the government can get back to performing checks and balances rather than suffocating working people.

[The road]

Last I knew trump was privatizing some national parks because the government sector had set up a failed system and let them degrade to the tune of 11.5 billion in repair needs.

Some say it will make the cost rise. They're right!
Socialists cant understand the concept that you have to pay actual money to a successful strategy to keep any infrastructure in working order, rather than let them degrade not collecting enough revenue, becoming a drain on society.

Its funny you mentioned disney and national parks.
Over the years they have donated millions upon millions to parks and conservation programs.

https://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/charitable-giving/

Yeah... That goddam private sector lol

[C27H40O3]

You see the government sector fail in competition with the private sector in everything they do, because they dont have to compete.
In fact they choke out the private sector.
Kind of like UPS petitioning that the USPS raise its shipping rates.

The USPS has been losing billions per year and choking out private pacel companies. Well over 70 billion the USPS has lost and is set to be bankrupt and need a bailout soon. This will be 13 years in a deficit now.
Raise their rates!? What!?
But then they wouldn't be able to snuff out the private sector and steal billions in tax dollars, on a failed system set up to support ridiculous pension plans!

Have you ever drove dow a road where the state changed a culvert and felt that giant ass bump that dumped your coffee? It took a crew a week to do it and would have taken the private sector a day.

Except a private company would have been forced to redo it with any more than a 2" variation and warranty their work a year.

But the state did it and called it routine maitenance.
8 guys leaned on shovels cracking jokes about the cliche of a bunch of state workers watching one guy dig.

So instead of it being contracted out for $10k to a contractor with materials included, 10 government workers were paid wages and pensions at 4x the immediate cost and 8x the long term cost, so that a job could be half assed and everyone would get to buy new tires.

Competition is what built us and the government sucks the life out of whatever industry they stick their hands into.

Yes, PMC's do the dirty work the military can't. Precisely why blackwater was used as a scapegoat and brought into the mideast crisis.

They are much, much more efficient than the military branches and did stellar work.

You post like the brothers who live a half mile or more from their nearest neighbor.

If you live in a beautiful thriving urban area, you appreciate what government provides for our taxes. If you have a two thousand foot driveway through the woods to your home, you likely don’t agree. You spend a whole day not seeing a thing that government has done for your life.

Today I got on a subway train to take me ten miles in 20 minutes for $2.75, underneath traffic jams which would have taken me over an hour to get through. Then upon arrival, I would have had to drive around half an hour looking for a parking spot. If lucky, I would find one three blocks away. Then have to feed the meter every two hours.

That subway was built over a hundred years ago. It would cost trillions of dollars if it was built today. The latest expansion, a short line of only 24 blocks, is costing over $4 billion. There are 665 miles of tracks and 472 stations. I can get anywhere in the city, 24x7, seven days a week, for $2.75. It was originally privately built, but was shortly thereafter bought out by the government when the private owners were going bankrupt. It takes me over government built and maintained bridges between different counties in the city. Around 5.7 million folks ride it everyday.

On beautiful days, I walk across the government owned Brooklyn Bridge, and later wander around government owned Central Park for hours. I see government paid police and traffic agents keeping the traffic moving.i see government run ambulances and government employee EMT’s and firemen tending to injured folks from building and car fires.

I drive over public streets and roads maintained by tax dollars. I walk on wide sidewalks in Brooklyn made of giant government purchased flagstones probably taken out of quarries in the 1870’s and still serving their purpose 150 years later.

I see public hospitals treating poor folks with no insurance, so they don’t have to stay at work in the restaurant kitchen sick with contagious illnesses handling my food, or waiting on me somewhere.

I see government paid cops tackle an aggressive panhandler hassling folks by my bank ATM. They take him to jail, rather than just ejecting him to the street like some square badge would do. On certain days, I can visit zoos, aquariums, museums all owned by the government and all for free.

The point is that I can’t leave my house and go anywhere without observing and appreciating how government has made my daily life more livable and enjoyable.

I am all for competition in many fields. Just offer a government alternative option, and see how the private companies will lower their prices to stay competitive. If we had a government owned insurance agency as an alternative, Allstate and State Farm would have to respond by staying competitive.

Lets have the government get into the pharmaceutical business. Pills won’t cost $300 each for sick folks anymore.

How about health insurance? The government already covers all the high risk patient pools, therefore it already has all the risk exposure. The poor have government Medicaid. The elderly and the disabled have government Medicare. A plan covering everyone else would be dealing with a low risk pool, mostly healthy working folk. There is no need to have for-profit private insurance. The government could easily pick up the coverage for whoever it doesn’t cover already. The increased cost to be covered would surely be less than the sum of all private insurance companies’ gross revenues. It would be a win for the American public.



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[C27H40O3]

SOUNDS AWESOME! COMPETITION PURIFIES!
Maybe then the government can get back to performing checks and balances rather than suffocating working people.

Agreed about getting back to checks and balances. That insecure bitch-ass tinpot dictator trump must be removed from office before we get any further along becoming a third world dictatorship. The republican senate caved and abdicated its responsibility to keep him in check under the constitution. Their obsequious fealty to a wanna be dictator is disgusting, and makes me embarrassed to be @ republican.

His treatment of a Purple Heart war veteran LT. Col. was probably the lowest he has sunk. He has the lowest regard for the military than any other president, even contempt. Especially considering how he dodged the draft with a bogus doctors note to avoid service. Coward in chief.


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You post like the brothers who live a half mile or more from their nearest neighbor.

If you live in a beautiful thriving urban area, you appreciate what government provides for our taxes. If you have a two thousand foot driveway through the woods to your home, you likely don’t agree. You spend a whole day not seeing a thing that government has done for your life.

Today I got on a subway train to take me ten miles in 20 minutes for $2.75, underneath traffic jams which would have taken me over an hour to get through. Then upon arrival, I would have had to drive around half an hour looking for a parking spot. If lucky, I would find one three blocks away. Then have to feed the meter every two hours.

That subway was built over a hundred years ago. It would cost trillions of dollars if it was built today. The latest expansion, a short line of only 24 blocks, is costing over $4 billion. There are 665 miles of tracks and 472 stations. I can get anywhere in the city, 24x7, seven days a week, for $2.75. It was originally privately built, but was shortly thereafter bought out by the government when the private owners were going bankrupt. It takes me over government built and maintained bridges between different counties in the city. Around 5.7 million folks ride it everyday.

On beautiful days, I walk across the government owned Brooklyn Bridge, and later wander around government owned Central Park for hours. I see government paid police and traffic agents keeping the traffic moving.i see government run ambulances and government employee EMT’s and firemen tending to injured folks from building and car fires.

I drive over public streets and roads maintained by tax dollars. I walk on wide sidewalks in Brooklyn made of giant government purchased flagstones probably taken out of quarries in the 1870’s and still serving their purpose 150 years later.

I see public hospitals treating poor folks with no insurance, so they don’t have to stay at work in the restaurant kitchen sick with contagious illnesses handling my food, or waiting on me somewhere.

I see government paid cops tackle an aggressive panhandler hassling folks by my bank ATM. They take him to jail, rather than just ejecting him to the street like some square badge would do. On certain days, I can visit zoos, aquariums, museums all owned by the government and all for free.

The point is that I can’t leave my house and go anywhere without observing and appreciating how government has made my daily life more livable and enjoyable.

I am all for competition in many fields. Just offer a government alternative option, and see how the private companies will lower their prices to stay competitive. If we had a government owned insurance agency as an alternative, Allstate and State Farm would have to respond by staying competitive.

Lets have the government get into the pharmaceutical business. Pills won’t cost $300 each for sick folks anymore.

How about health insurance? The government already covers all the high risk patient pools, therefore it already has all the risk exposure. The poor have government Medicaid. The elderly and the disabled have government Medicare. A plan covering everyone else would be dealing with a low risk pool, mostly healthy working folk. There is no need to have for-profit private insurance. The government could easily pick up the coverage for whoever it doesn’t cover already. The increased cost to be covered would surely be less than the sum of all private insurance companies’ gross revenues. It would be a win for the American public.



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I disagree with everything you said here pretty much, but I could do this all day.
If you live in a beautiful thriving urban area you don't know the world beyond work home and vacation. I work in the city every day and go places you dont and won't.
I would love to see something you do, I would struggle with. I guarantee you I can fill books the other way around.

The wealthiest live in gated communities and are incredibly dumb liberals and socialists. They are usually the ones tgat think there is inequality among so called minorities with double standards whitey put in place to help them get their shit together. So they stir up race issues and act like victims.

Do not ever call yourself a republican having said what you have about socialism and private sector vs government.

Literally everything you stated goes against republican core values.

All of the big projects you named in New York were government funded and private contractor made.

Every single great infrastructure in this country the golden gate bridge, the hoover dam, to the bridges and great buildings where you are were built by contractors.

You seem to be one of those people confused with social programs and socialism.

Socialism is the government ditribution of wealth and operating in competition with its own citizens.

Your firefighters, emt's, and police are all outperformed by private companies.

Yes they too should be privatized and theres a lot of pmc's and psc's that could perform twice as well at half the budget.

This is why beetlguese said, "they shoukd only do things the private sector can't and won't do for itself.

The private sector can do it all. The government is only there for checks and balances on ELECTED SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

Instead they are socialist and choke the private sector, by stealing opportunity from the private, and creating unsustainable business models that steal more and more tax dollars due to horrible non competitive output.

I have done enough city infrastructue construction and competitive business with illegal immigrants that have no sense of self worth, to know exactly what I am talking about and feel it in my wallet daily.

You are a socialist and a liberal.
Standard for your area which is fed by mine.

We aren't all good ol boys out here.

[The road]

Oh... I had GREAT health insurance until it was socialized without due process and uncontitutionally forced upon me.

I lost it after that because the rate TRIPLED.

ONCE THE GOVERNMENT PUTS ITS HANDS IN...
Worse medical care for three times the cost!
You just dont learn do you?

[C27H40O3]

Asians and europeans are not "blowing us away."
Thats a myth thats been floating around since WW2.

No one is blowing us away.
1.5 billion people in china.
3.4 hundred million in the US and we are the #1 economy.

Kinda goes to show you how important math is, eh?

“China June trade surplus with U.S. rises 11% to $29.92 billion”


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1U711Q

Factory workers there are among the best paid workers in the country. We don’t respect labor like that here.


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“China June trade surplus with U.S. rises 11% to $29.92 billion”


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1U711Q

Factory workers there are among the best paid workers in the country. We don’t respect labor like that here.


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Lmao I'm done!
They outnumber us 5/1...
Our economy is still bigger, yet they have more citizens in the top 10% than us!
Yeah they treat their citizens great!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...p-anymore.html

Here's and article from the kind of news you believe.^^^

[C27H40O3]

I disagree with everything you said here pretty much, but I could do this all day.
If you live in a beautiful thriving urban area you don't know the world beyond work home and vacation. I work in the city every day and go places you dont and won't.
I would love to see something you do, I would struggle with. I guarantee you I can fill books the other way around.

The wealthiest live in gated communities and are incredibly dumb liberals and socialists. They are usually the ones tgat think there is inequality among so called minorities with double standards whitey put in place to help them get their shit together. So they stir up race issues and act like victims.

Do not ever call yourself a republican having said what you have about socialism and private sector vs government.

Literally everything you stated goes against republican core values.

All of the big projects you named in New York were government funded and private contractor made.

Every single great infrastructure in this country the golden gate bridge, the hoover dam, to the bridges and great buildings where you are were built by contractors.

You seem to be one of those people confused with social programs and socialism.

Socialism is the government ditribution of wealth and operating in competition with its own citizens.

Your firefighters, emt's, and police are all outperformed by private companies.

Yes they too should be privatized and theres a lot of pmc's and psc's that could perform twice as well at half the budget.

This is why beetlguese said, "they shoukd only do things the private sector can't and won't do for itself.

The private sector can do it all. The government is only there for checks and balances on ELECTED SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

Instead they are socialist and choke the private sector, by stealing opportunity from the private, and creating unsustainable business models that steal more and more tax dollars due to horrible non competitive output.

I have done enough city infrastructue construction and competitive business with illegal immigrants that have no sense of self worth, to know exactly what I am talking about and feel it in my wallet daily.

You are a socialist and a liberal.
Standard for your area which is fed by mine.

We aren't all good ol boys out here.

So the wealthiest are all socialists? They want to give their money away to minorities? Really? Bloomberg and trump are among the wealthiest New Yorkers. I don’t remember them advocating to give their money away to minorities.

You can’t help but contradict yourself.

Your “socialists are the boogeyman” mentality gives you cognitive dissonance. You can’t cling to one without losing sight of reality.

Your made up definition of socialism is ridiculous.

You seem to advocate for a race to the bottom with wages. Constantly striving to do it cheaper and cheaper is what led to the wholesale outsourcing of our entire middle class to China and Mexico. Their workers’ standard of living is increasing while our middle class disappears.

Our system is obscene. We all Agree that outsourcing and closing factories is what is destroying our country. Yet our system rewards companies which do that by giving their CEO’s big bonuses and and their company great stock valuations on Wall Street. Those companies should be hit with crushing economic sanctions for doing that to our economy.

What kind of system can have the duality of having excess production capacity in the form of tens of thousands of factories shuttered and lying dormant, while at the same time we have an enormous amount of excess labor that we just can’t seem to connect with that excess production capacity. Everyone is underemployed, working multiple part time jobs for barely minimum wage. That will never lead to a thriving middle class.

All that nonsense you hear about “don’t tax the job creators” is bullshit. The only job creator is increased demand. That only comes when you put more money into the pockets of poor and middle class consumers. The rich already have all the food, furniture, cars, tv’s, houses, vacations that they want.

Giving them a tax cut just results in the money getting parked offshore.

“The super rich elite have more money than they know what to do with”


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...ith-2019-10-28

Pushing a tax cut benefit down to the poor and middle class will spur spending on those things I mentioned above. That increases factory orders. That increases the orders of all related companies, as well as transportation companies to transport and deliver that food and those tv’s.

You tell me not to call myself a Republican. Can trump call himself a Republican? If he can, with his anti-free trade, protectionist, trillion dollars added to the deficit, total disregard for gun rights, anti-military, anti-FBI attitude, he is no more Republican than Obama.

The 2A crowd put him in there. What did he do for us? Absolutely nothing. He had both houses on his side for two years. List for me all the pro gun legislation he passed. Where is National reciprocity? That was supposedly a sure thing. I don’t care about bump stocks, but it sets a very troubling precedent, redefining what a machine gun is. Any future democrat president can define a machine gun how ever he wants now. He can do an executive order saying any AR platform is a machine gun. Fuckin “firing cycle” bullshit.

What kind of asshole in this country supports a dictator who would let a federal agency create federal law out of thin air, circumventing congress, who was sent there by us to make the laws. We didnt elect a president to let unelected bureaucrats in the BATF make laws.

From the legislation:

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...k-type-devices

As for the need for Federal regulation, agencies are allowed to consider public safety as a compelling need for a Federal rulemaking. Executive Order 12866 expressly recognizes as appropriate exercises of agency rulemaking authority that “are made necessary by compelling public need, such as material failures of private markets to protect or improve the health and safety of the public, the environment, or the well-being of the American people.” 58 FR 51735 (Oct. 4, 1993). As explained in the NPRM, the purpose of this rule is to amend ATF regulations to clarify that bump-stock-type devices are “machineguns” as defined by the NFA and GCA, with a desired outcome of increasing public safety. [/B][/B]

Reading this egregious usurpation of congressional power should make any gun owner fearful of what the next democratic president, or even this clown, will do in the name of public safety. Goodby AR's and AK's, even semiautomatic rifles of all sorts. We will become england or australia without even a vote taken by congress or the senate.



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[Beetlegeuse]

They fought fascist naziism, Hitler and musillini, not socialism....

Naziism is the Anglicized form of the German "Nationalsozialismus".

Notice the "sozialismus" in there? No, of course you don't.

The organization's full title was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The National MOTHERFUCKING SOCIALIST Workers Party.



And you misspelled musillini, too.

Consider yourself schooled.


Wake me if you manage to have an intelligent thought.

[The road]

Earlier when I stated that those most "wealthy live in gated communities" I was referring to city people.

Lets take a look at where the top 1% live.

Most of them dont live in the city with the peasants. If they do they usaully have 200 plus acres with it.

I agree with a lot of the trump things you said.

The thing about t"axing the job creators" is...

DO IT!
TAX ME MORE AND I WILL TAKE IT RIGHT OUT OF MY EMPLOYEES ASSES. The market dictates your pay. You increase minimum wage and in the first quarter the market makes adjustment to the value of the dollar. INFLATION!

The difference between a job creator and an. Employee is that employees are common.

I created my business. If I dont make "x" then my buddy employee gets less.

I actually wouldn't fuck around with him not producing whats needed. I would fire him and do what I had to do myself as I have done with many others that were slow, lazy, dumb.

Sure its harder on me... Kinda.
You see I get his pay if I boot him.
Trouble is how do I replace a non hacker?

More equipment.

Its like when walmart started putting in the self checkouts. Employees were non-hackers. I couldnt stand going there and watching a retard dlowly drag shit across a scanner.

I knew damn good and well I could push them out of the way having never done their job and do it faster.
Walmart now lets me prove it with self checkouts.

Those computers don't quit, need sick leave, or not produce.

They dont cost billions in workers comp and social security. (More useless socialism)

So Sam Waltons kids fired most of walmarts staff and found a cheaper better way.

As for your "Race to the bottom" statement....

If you could do something cheaper that was more efficient and produced a better product or end result... Would you?

NO. YOU WOULDN'T! YOU'RE A SOCIALIST RIGHT!?

You would keep on doing the same slow retarded pace thing, because you have no competitive incentive. After all, you're a worker, you can't be replaced. Meanwhile a competitor in another country wiped out the need for your product and job because you don't want to compete.

Thats a great way of looking at it. A race to the bottom.

If we lived in a world without people like me, (greedy people, that want more than average and are willing to kill themselves in the process of attaining wealth and power) socialism might work.

That's some kum-bay-yah hippy thinking and exactly why socialism is a complete failure. If you set back and take it easy, I will fuckin squish you in competition.

Countries compete on a world platform for power and the #1 seat; in a capitalist manner.

They might be a country of socialists but their government competes as a whole, as capitalists. If they don't they starve and die out.

The idea that you dont have to, "Race to the bottom," as you put it, takes all incentive away from advancement.

Socialism operates off the false belief that people are good and care about one another. So they create second place or less economies based on the idea that think the little guy is important and all are equal.

Capitalism operates off the fact that people are all greedy and don't give a goddam about anyone. You pick up a tool and your brain and start kicking some ass in competition or you will get stomped in the dust.

That is the reason we got this far. This is the land of greedy ass rednecks like me. Your job is safe unless I decide to enter that industry and produce a better product cheaper. If I do I get the contract and I get the money, while you get nothing.

Factory workers really aren't in demand anymore. We built machines to replace them and outsource our shit to piss ass countries that are socialists, like China. Lol! Just like China where minimum wage is three bucks. It works great too! Their government knows they have to keep their citizens held down and paid little to keep the American outsourcing coming in.

You see why that #1 seat is so important and all the countries compete for it?

Its because if they dont the next guy will.
This isn't a simple race to #1. In this case to come in #2 means you are oficially #1's bitch. Its damn near impossible to get back into #1 as #2.

The only way to lose it is if the citizens of the #1 economy, get too pampered, too high paid, if they start lacking competitive incentive. When that happens the balance of power shifts to another.

Im not angry at you or anything.
I had pretty much quit talking polotics because I know nothing I say makes a difference.

I haaate Trump.
I break laws every day though so whats a few more the cunt will make? I will vote for him just to keep my wallet full and hope he pulls out some real drastic capitalist shit in his final term. Fucking disbands social security or some shit lol.

He won't actually do anything.
Doesnt matter who we vote for. You're getting the same end result and its just money changung hands.
Every year we become more socialist. We have been ever since this shit started.

The only fucking guarantee I can give you is my own personal greed and competition to put you out of business, take your job, and all your money.

It's nothing personal.
It's all a game.
Question is are you gonna win that game?
From where I'm sitting believing you are entitled to taking others (my) money and letting the government distribute it as they see fit...

I wont have any conscience when I win and you're shit outta luck.

[The road]

[The road]

Also... All this euro cuckholdry idealism that America and whitey are evil because we are tge wealthiest...

Wtf do you folks think would happen if we handed the #1 trophy to someone else?

I tell you exactly what would happen. We would all be fucked. The entire planet would be fucked.

Cream rises and shit sinks and its sink or swim in this world, even if you have illusions of socialist securities.

You're not secure.
You're not secure, because of people like me, and you won't ever rid the world of my kind. We don't give a shit about you and your security that you are too goddam lazy to make for yourself.

We want it all, we want it now, and we will do whatever it takes to get it, even if it kills us.
It's not a country, its just a business now fucking pay me what I am owed.
I don't expect anything more or anything less.

This is coming from someone that clawed his way out of poverty on his own. I am entitled to nothing, all I want is what I earn and I want the same thing malcomb X's shooter said.

[C27H40O3]

Naziism is the Anglicized form of the German "Nationalsozialismus".

Notice the "sozialismus" in there? No, of course you don't.

The organization's full title was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The National MOTHERFUCKING SOCIALIST Workers Party.



And you misspelled musillini, too.

Consider yourself schooled.


Wake me if you manage to have an intelligent thought.

Yes genius. Because Nations always call themselves exactly what they are. I guess in your brain, The DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of Korea is a shining example of democracy for all the world to admire.

Shit, and all this time I thought they were a dictatorship.

And remember the Deutsche Demokratische Republik, A.K.A. German DEMOCRATIC Republic, A.K.A. East Germany? Why don’t you school us on how Democratic they were? I seem to remember something about them being communist. I could be wrong. But I’m sure you can explain it for us simpletons.


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