Our education system

[Proximal]

I wasn't throwing blame at you or anything, I'm simply posting my thoughts on this
The BOOMERS fucked everyone

Education is a mess because of BOOMERS
they changed the standards and began rolling out stupid fucking programs to destroy the future generations. Cultural marxism and post modernism is the destroyer of nations
I wonder who at the top would roll these programs out into the US market since the 1880s.. hmmmmmm

Sorry, my wife, my friends and myself are boomers. I’m pretty sure we didn’t get the memo on how we could contribute to fucking shit up though, so we’ll plead innocent, lol.

But on a serious note dedicated to education, really, I would like your (and anybody’s) thoughts on what specifically you think could be improved, how and why. Beetle, got yours already, education for males only.

[EDCG19]

Sorry, my wife, my friends and myself are boomers. I’m pretty sure we didn’t get the memo on how we could contribute to fucking shit up though, so we’ll plead innocent, lol.

But on a serious note dedicated to education, really, I would like your (and anybody’s) thoughts on what specifically you think could be improved, how and why. Beetle, got yours already, education for males only.

You wont like what i have to say and i wont say it regarding educating the public. You don't realize the war is already lost and nothing will change..
I wont claim to be smart so i really have no policy regarding education but one thing i will say is shut down the university money making machine who are tied in with the govt/banks

Bring back trades and trade schools everywhere you can. Not everyone needs to go to college or some kind of university for their degree. These higher tier schools should also begin increasing their standards on who they let in
Get the fed govt out of the school programs and the fed has no business deciding what we brainwash (teach) the students
Local state government needs power

fuck the FED do i need to say it again, bring back the power to the states

[Obs]

Baby boomers are more conservative now.

The scary shit is going to happen when all those boomers have passed away. It will be a huge power shift toward liberal policy when boomers are gone.

[Obs]

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When baby boomers have passed the balance will shift hard left.

[EDCG19]

Baby boomers are more conservative now.

The scary shit is going to happen when all those boomers have passed away. It will be a huge power shift toward liberal policy when boomers are gone.

I don't think thats true, we will see some power shifts but I think the strongest RIGHT you will ever see will be born again in our time line
The strongest republican power was in the 1930s-1940s and than it all went away. The republicans we know today aren't republicans.. they're traitors to this nation
Especially Regan, I don't respect him for his policies either but of course that makes me the bad guy cuz im not just some blind republican follower..

Anyway I think the strongest right wing you'll ever see is being born now and they're the youth
This means we have to be strong and teach the youth the truth and not what is being taught in schools. What is the truth? lets leave that for another day...

[Obs]

I don't think thats true, we will see some power shifts but I think the strongest RIGHT you will ever see will be born again in our time line
The strongest republican power was in the 1930s-1940s and than it all went away. The republicans we know today aren't republicans.. they're traitors to this nation
Especially Regan, I don't respect him for his policies either but of course that makes me the bad guy cuz im not just some blind republican follower..

Anyway I think the strongest right wing you'll ever see is being born now and they're the youth
This means we have to be strong and teach the youth the truth and not what is being taught in schools. What is the truth? lets leave that for another day...

Historically socialism does not reverse itself until a revolutionary war.
It is cancer. It grows until it consumes the life of the host and kills itself.

[MuscleScience]

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When baby boomers have passed the balance will shift hard left.

Maybe, as people age they tend to become more conservative in their views. So there maybe still hope.

[EDCG19]

Maybe, as people age they tend to become more conservative in their views. So there maybe still hope.

I wonder why...
All that time the majority vote democrat and support liberal agendas but when they get old as fuck and practically on their death beds than all of the sudden we are conservatives!!!
Sure they are, the conservative movement has even been changed from the inside by neocons and liberals pretending they are conservatives

OBS is right
We need a revolution

[Obs]

Maybe, as people age they tend to become more conservative in their views. So there maybe still hope.

Good point.
It is true too.
People age and they see the bigger picture.
Baby boomers have made their mistakes like all generations but y and z are a shit sandwhich. Without our old folks conservatism would just be seen as radical sub minority.

People havent really looked into how balanced the older generations keep us.
I am very fearful of the baby boomers leaving us.
Lot of morality will fade away with them.

[Proximal]

You wont like what i have to say and i wont say it regarding educating the public. You don't realize the war is already lost and nothing will change..
I wont claim to be smart so i really have no policy regarding education but one thing i will say is shut down the university money making machine who are tied in with the govt/banks

Bring back trades and trade schools everywhere you can. Not everyone needs to go to college or some kind of university for their degree. These higher tier schools should also begin increasing their standards on who they let in
Get the fed govt out of the school programs and the fed has no business deciding what we brainwash (teach) the students
Local state government needs power

fuck the FED do i need to say it again, bring back the power to the states

Don’t worry, I could scare you with my views. I can make Hitler look like a choirboy & I’m not joking.

Conservatives, tea bag party? Please, let’s talk serious here guys, no holds barred.

[Proximal]

Maybe, as people age they tend to become more conservative in their views. So there maybe still hope.

No one wants the market to dive, retirements depend upon it.

[Proximal]

Historically socialism does not reverse itself until a revolutionary war.
It is cancer. It grows until it consumes the life of the host and kills itself.

I don’t get this socialist bs. E Pluribus Unum. Isn’t that OUR motto.

[Obs]

I don’t get this socialist bs. E Pluribus Unum. Isn’t that OUR motto.

Out of many one.

Out of many states forming one country which at the time collected basically zero tax. It was a cooperation formed to defeat the enemy and conquer ground.

There was no socialist undertone.

[Proximal]

I would counter that “a cooperation” is somewhat socialist.

[Obs]

I would counter that “a cooperation” is somewhat socialist.

No now you are saying anything that isn't anarchy is socialist.

[Proximal]

Dude, you are smarter than I am and I am serious here. I’m just keeping it at a very basic level. If a few states (and all their constituents) agree to join together for a common cause, that suggests socialism to me. I don’t see that word as blasphemous as you do.

[Obs]

Dude, you are smarter than I am and I am serious here. I’m just keeping it at a very basic level. If a few states (and all their constituents) agree to join together for a common cause, that suggests socialism to me. I don’t see that word as blasphemous as you do.

I think you need to look up the definition of socialism.
Not one single thing about the US constitution pointed toward social ownership of a paid collective.

It pointed towards exactly the opposite, personal ownership and individual responsibility. Capitalism, sink or swim...

I dont expect you to understand. You have been teaching high school in cali your entire life.

[EDCG19]

I don't understand what you guys are arguing about
Socialism is against personal property and responsibility

I’m just keeping it at a very basic level. If a few states (and all their constituents) agree to join together for a common cause, that suggests socialism to me. I don’t see that word as blasphemous as you do.

Thats not really socialism, if the states join as a union for a cause of some sort? I'm lost here.. this has nothing to do with socialism

[Proximal]

Regarding socialism, it seems we are not able to agree on how the concept can be applied and not applied in our discussion.

BTW, had a huge staff meeting at work yesterday and we did actually come to the conclusion that all of the problems in our school are caused by baby boomers & individuals that have never had children & are involved in education. Thus radical changes will be made in terms of personnel. I'm sure you will see major improvements soon.

[Obs]

Regarding socialism, it seems we are not able to agree on how the concept can be applied and not applied in our discussion.

BTW, had a huge staff meeting at work yesterday and we did actually come to the conclusion that all of the problems in our school are caused by baby boomers & individuals that have never had children & are involved in education. Thus radical changes will be made in terms of personnel. I'm sure you will see major improvements soon.

I am sure you are being a smartass but you will notice I am always direct. I dont beat around the bush or try to be cute in making a point.

As far a socialism goes, look up the definition and how it applies. Cooperation with the law/gov can be socialistic, capitalistic, or communistic.
The united states was capitalist and thats what built it.
I am sure you teach your students otherwise though.
Gotta rewrite history to make people believe in a bullshit sytem like socialism.

This is not a productive discussion.
I am not changing your views or beliefs and I would die before I denied mine.

[Proximal]

Oh for fucks sake, am I in the twilight zone with this bs.

Wow, you caught on that it was a joke, way to go. I guess I must be the only one on the forum saying smart-ass comments or else your day would be dominated by you having to monitor every post in every thread and point that out.

And who in the hell is trying to change your opinion about anything? I personally could care less. I see you spouting off about professions I've been in for decades & let you have your say, that's how this works. I don't really think you're trying to change my opinion, so where the hell are you coming from with this?

I already stated that we are not seeing eye to eye on socialism, congrats if you are the end all expert.

Regarding what I teach, well that would be Anatomy & Physiology, not social science. As I stated I am admittedly am not an expert.

[Proximal]

You wont like what i have to say and i wont say it regarding educating the public. You don't realize the war is already lost and nothing will change..

Bring back trades and trade schools everywhere you can. Not everyone needs to go to college or some kind of university for their degree. These higher tier schools should also begin increasing their standards on who they let in
Get the fed govt out of the school programs and the fed has no business deciding what we brainwash (teach) the students
Local state government needs power

fuck the FED do i need to say it again, bring back the power to the states

I tend to agree regarding public education. I said in a previous post, start charging for education & see what it does to population control & immigration into this country.

I have no problem with varying state by state laws & approachs to things. Let's people make a better choice where they want to live.

I do know that we have lost our shop classes in schools. Our school held onto our auto shop till recently. I know locally we have a school specializing in auto mechanics, in fact one our best friend's son went there and makes nice $ working for BMW now. But agree regarding trades. In current schools, I'm sure the cost factor as well as insurance would play a role (fixed if the school is private).

Our universities & state colleges here are pretty demanding regarding qualifications & our community
/junior colleges are over-crowded with students either not qualified to get in or not willing to pay the high costs.

I will disagree with the brain-washing aspect, at least going by what I've seen personally, but could be interpreting your statement incorrectly.

And of course I was poking fun with my baby-boomer statement. I should have added lol to ensure it's lack of seriousness.

[Obs]

Shuddup hippie

[Obs]

We are all one big community, one people, one happy group looking out for one another regardless of effort, employment, or ability!

Come friends! Have some of my money you lazy mother fuckers! I busted my ass for it and you could never measure up or fill my shoes but you deserve it for.... Nothing.

Kum bay yah!

Stoooooooooopid hippies and retards.

[Proximal]

Shuddup hippie

Hippie? Oh yeah, I like marijuana, can't stand that 60's & 70's music though.

[fiddlesticks]

The government doesn't care at all about the kid's health or well-being, school is just a way to force obedience and let the kids know how the "real world" works which in 2019 usually means doing things you hate. If the kid is really "disobedient" like I was then they have a "disease" which needs to be resolved by taking amphetamines. It's fucking bullshit. So many natural behaviors are labeled as problems or diseases it sickens me.

[Proximal]

The government doesn't care at all about the kid's health or well-being, school is just a way to force obedience and let the kids know how the "real world" works which in 2019 usually means doing things you hate. If the kid is really "disobedient" like I was then they have a "disease" which needs to be resolved by taking amphetamines. It's fucking bullshit. So many natural behaviors are labeled as problems or diseases it sickens me.

Hell the government really doesn't care about anyone's health and well being.

[Proximal]

We are all one big community, one people, one happy group looking out for one another regardless of effort, employment, or ability!

Come friends! Have some of my money you lazy mother fuckers! I busted my ass for it and you could never measure up or fill my shoes but you deserve it for.... Nothing.

Kum bay yah!

Stoooooooooopid hippies and retards.

Cheer up Obs. Have a coke and a smile.

[fiddlesticks]

Cheer up Obs. Have a coke and a smile.

Idk about having a coke but im down for having some coke .

[Proximal]

Idk about having a coke but im down for having some coke .

Lol. Never tried myself. Think I'll draw the line at pot. Oh yeah, can't forget the wine . . . And bourbon. . . And Vodka

[Obs]

Lol. Never tried myself. Think I'll draw the line at pot. Oh yeah, can't forget the wine . . . And bourbon. . . And Vodka

Yes prox you drink a lot it shows.

[Proximal]

Yes prox you drink a lot it shows.

Yeah, some of my evening posts do get sloppy, but hey, good times.

You only live once, having fun Obs, I've paid my dues. This year is going to be the best one yet; God willing.

[Beetlegeuse]

A while back someone posted something on the subject at Free Republic dot Com that was so succinct and so prescient that I was bowled over by it.

Socialism is cynicism towards society - and, concomitantly, naiveté towards government.

That is as brilliant a 10-word summation of socialism as I have ever seen. They might also have added, "and ignorance of the human condition," because socialism stunts the innate human desire to achieve by removing the motivating factor of self-interest.

Ultimately, socialism always fails because altruism is not fungible and the extraordinary eventually weary of seeing slackers and ne'er-do-wells profit as much from their achievements as they do. Or as the Iron Lady said, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

But those ten words are so near perfect that would not deign to tamper with them.

[MuscleScience]

A while back someone posted something on the subject at Free Republic dot Com that was so succinct and so prescient that I was bowled over by it.



That is as brilliant a 10-word summation of socialism as I have ever seen. They might also have added, "and ignorance of the human condition," because socialism stunts the innate human desire to achieve by removing the motivating factor of self-interest.

Ultimately, socialism always fails because altruism is not fungible and the extraordinary eventually weary of seeing slackers and ne'er-do-wells profit as much from their achievements as they do. Or as the Iron Lady said, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

But those ten words are so near perfect that would not deign to tamper with them.

It baffles me that Socialism isn’t viewed with as much rephrehension as Nazism is. Especially when nazism is socialism. For crying out loud, the Nazi organistion is called the National Socialist Party. Then again “true,” socialism has never been tried

[Beetlegeuse]

I wish I had said this but I only found it.

[Obs]

It baffles me that Socialism isn’t viewed with as much rephrehension as Nazism is. Especially when nazism is socialism. For crying out loud, the Nazi organistion is called the National Socialist Party. Then again “true,” socialism has never been tried

The retards that socialism nearly wiped off the earth numerous times are ever increasingly so.
Oh... Uk is leaving the EU... Hmmm.... Wonder why?

Paul Harvey said it all in "freedom to chains".
They just don't learn from history and the cycle repeats.

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Independece: self-sufficiency, self-reliance, self-support, self-sustenance, self-standing.

What in the fuck is it these non hacking degenerates don't get?
You cannot have liberty without independence. Freedom is not a free ride. Its a guarantee you have to look after yourself.

[Obs]

A while back someone posted something on the subject at Free Republic dot Com that was so succinct and so prescient that I was bowled over by it.



That is as brilliant a 10-word summation of socialism as I have ever seen. They might also have added, "and ignorance of the human condition," because socialism stunts the innate human desire to achieve by removing the motivating factor of self-interest.

Ultimately, socialism always fails because altruism is not fungible and the extraordinary eventually weary of seeing slackers and ne'er-do-wells profit as much from their achievements as they do. Or as the Iron Lady said, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

But those ten words are so near perfect that would not deign to tamper with them.

Like this post I will add though that; yes, self interest is still the motivating factor in socialism. It better suits the common man of todays interests, something for no effort whatsoever.

Most people dont have the drive or intelligence to become rich so they point their fingers at the "greedy" rich man who worked for what he has and demand that they deserve the same luxury for nothing.

That is true greed and self interest only.
Same as the idiots that point at the IFBB guys and say, "It's all steroids !"

They can't, don't, and won't measure up so they pin their problems on the producers and leech us into mediocrity.

[Frank777]

I don't think our education system has changed over the last years. Maybe the attitude to education has. Previous generations were interested in high education because they were sure it would help them to get a good job. And they really had better life with a degree. At least my grandparents did, and they did everything in order their children had a possibility to receive a diploma. Today we can have a diploma and never work by profession. Also students study in a different way. They have the Internet, can use various apps and services (e.g. I know many people who used a writing service here when they faced issues with essays or dissertations). On one hand, it is easier to study today. On the other hand, not only students, but also teachers have to adapt to new possibilities and technologies.

[Beetlegeuse]

The most difficult adversity to survive ... is success.

My parents (and their generation) grew up during the Great Depression. Then they fought the War Against German National Socialism, and won. They lived hard and they worked hard because that was the only way to survive. They didn't know anything else.

One of my father's brothers was a farmer. He came home from the war and went back to the family farm. And he worked on the farm from cain't to cain't* for another 60 years. Right up until the day before he went to the hospital to die.

One day (years earlier) his son (my cousin) told him, "Daddy, I don't want to have to work as hard as you do all my life." My uncle told him, "Well, that's exactly why I'm working as hard as I am. So you won't have to."

*Farmer lingo for working from dawn to dusk, leaving the house before you could see in the morning and working until you couldn't see again in the evening. From "can't see to can't see."

My uncle's answer highlights the problem with success. The people who create it naturally want their children to have a cushier lifestyle than they did. So the second generation -- in this case, the Baby Boomers -- grows up with a slightly less rigorous work ethic. And the Boomers want their children to have it even cushier than they did, and the downward spiral begins.

You might forgive them for this oversight because it didn't used to be this way. Because there's never been a period in human history when technology and "quality of life" improved so rapidly. Before, unless the parents were wealthy, chances are that their children could only have a slightly cushier lifestyle. Not so much "cushier" as it was a step further from the brink of disaster. But today even the poorest of the poor -- people who live in government housing -- live in heated and airconditioned comfort, have an Obamaphone, a refrigerator in their home, and plenty of food for subsistence.

Caesar Augustus didn't live in such opulence. Nor did the Shah Jahan (known for building the Taj Mahal). Not even John Jacob Astor (America's first multi-millionaire).


Back to my overall point, the only thing that brought the depression to an end was the approach of WWII. Not FDR's New Deal, that was a widespread implementation of socialism that we still struggle under the yoke of. It only prolonged the Depression because it de-funded the very entities who had the facility to end it; the evil bankers, capitalists and industrial giants.

All of FDR's financial jigger-pokery had the net financial effect of dipping water from the deep end of the pool and pouring it into the shallow end. Overall, the water level doesn't change but if you put the water back in by pouring it over the heads of the people standing in the shallow end of the pool, if gives their berries a jingle and makes them feel well cared-for.

Except it does nothing to change the overall level of the water. If the overall water level doesn't rise then it necessarily follows that economics is limited to being a zero sum game. Nobody can win unless somebody else loses.

Nonetheless, the people in the shallow end took FDR for a god. Not so much because their lives had improved but because he was punishing the people who they had been taught to believe were responsible for their condition. Bankers, capitalists and industrial giants. Because socialism thrives on identity politics.

In truth the depression only began to end in 1937 when anybody in Europe who didn't have their head up their ass began to recognize the threat posed by the rise of Hitler's Naziism (the National Socialist German Workers' Party). They started stocking up on war materiel and America began to marshall its manufacturing might and become the arms merchant to the world.

1937 was the year that America's manufacturing output began to rise stratospherically and continued to climb for the next seven years. Seven years that American bankers, capitalists and industrial giants spent dipping hard specie from Europe's pool of money and pouring it into America's financial pool.

Which caused the depth of the pool to increase at both ends, economics ceased being a zero sum game and everybody got wealthier. The rising tide lifts all boats

So Hitler did what FDR failed to do. He brought the Great Depression to an end.

Regarding the state of education (which is directly linked to the rise of socialism in American politics), I wrote this in another thread:

...Most of the changes English has undergone in the past century were corruptions because the American public school system no longer rigorously teaches The Three Rs, reading, writing, 'rithmatic.

I've invested a lot of time studying war. And I've read a lot of letters to home from soldiers at war. I have been astonished by the overall quality of the grammar they exhibited -- even though few of them were educated beyond the 6th grade -- in all America's wars before WWII. Even if they only got a total of four years of education in a one-room schoolhouse in a one-horse town in Nowhere, Kansas and their grammar still was better than today's network television news anchors'.

The average education level of an American serviceman in WWII was 8th grade. But in their letters home you already can see a marked decline in the quality of grammar used by Joe Sixpack. For the last half of the 20th Century, the quality of public education in America was absolutely in free-fall....

Regarding the crack I made earlier about having given "wimmen" the vote was the cause of the deplorable state of the educational system, that was written tongue-in-cheek. Slightly, anyway. Women don't think with the same organ that men do.

The forcible interjection of socialism into American politics was the overarching cause (of that and a great many other regressive changes). And that roughly coincided with giving the women the vote. The demoncrats began their march toward full-goose socialism with the 1896 presidential campaign of William Jennings Bryan, and it was culminated in the 1932 election of President Roosevelt. The 19th Amendment, giving women the vote, was ratified in 1920.



Speaking directly to the topic of this post, ...

Government only should be permitted to do what the private sector can't, won't or shouldn't do for itself.

That a single private school flourishes proves that the private sector can, will and should be in charge of education to the greatest extent possible.

[The road]

I like that reference with roosevelt and the pool