Guitarzan's fat loss adventure

[clarky.]

If you decide to start tracking, My Fitness Pal is an incredibly helpful app... Calculates calorie needs as well I think. Super easy to use.

C-

Absolutely, great wee App.

[Family_guy]

3 days have made a difference, vascularity starting to come in good
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God damn dude! Your a big mofo

[Family_guy]

Great progress so far! Few questions. How long and how much tren /test have you been on and plan to continue for 3 MONTHS?

IMHO you are looking for the magic pill try clen , try GH, try eca, test tren .... etc etc..... Yep they help!
What is your TDEE? What is your method of tracking calories and macro's? There is no substitute for a good strict meal plan and sticking to it. Frequent small meals and hit your targets for macro's and calories.

Next is the cardio. I prefer fasted HIIT in the morning. I have posted this before. 5 minute warm up; 10 minutes of (15 seconds balls to the wall 45 second rest); 20 minutes steady state at about 70% max heart rate (220 - age x.7) https://www.active.com/fitness/calculators/heartrate; then 5 minutes of (30 seconds hard 30 seconds easy); 5 minute cool down.

I do have some experience in this area. I went from 26% Bodyfat to 14% bodyfat in 6 months doing the above. Ohhh and one last thing that you ain't gonna like ... alcohol is wasted calories! LOL

I know you like to keep it simple. Do you have a PC that has microsoft office (excel) on it? If so I can help you. I have a spread sheet I made all you do is put in how many grams of P,F,C and it totals and graphs it against your target goal automatically. Of course I would have to set it up for your targets. (see pic for example).

That’s awesome man! Cool spreadsheet! Have you tried the my fitness pal app?

[charger69]

Great progress so far! Few questions. How long and how much tren /test have you been on and plan to continue for 3 MONTHS?

IMHO you are looking for the magic pill try clen , try GH, try eca, test tren .... etc etc..... Yep they help!
What is your TDEE? What is your method of tracking calories and macro's? There is no substitute for a good strict meal plan and sticking to it. Frequent small meals and hit your targets for macro's and calories.

Next is the cardio. I prefer fasted HIIT in the morning. I have posted this before. 5 minute warm up; 10 minutes of (15 seconds balls to the wall 45 second rest); 20 minutes steady state at about 70% max heart rate (220 - age x.7) https://www.active.com/fitness/calculators/heartrate; then 5 minutes of (30 seconds hard 30 seconds easy); 5 minute cool down.

I do have some experience in this area. I went from 26% Bodyfat to 14% bodyfat in 6 months doing the above. Ohhh and one last thing that you ain't gonna like ... alcohol is wasted calories! LOL

I know you like to keep it simple. Do you have a PC that has microsoft office (excel) on it? If so I can help you. I have a spread sheet I made all you do is put in how many grams of P,F,C and it totals and graphs it against your target goal automatically. Of course I would have to set it up for your targets. (see pic for example).

That is a great spreadsheet. I usually eat the same thing everyday and I am lazy so I just go off of instinct.
I do plan out a meal for one day and use that.


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[charger69]

Test and tren since January, but only been running tren at 200 a week. I've been on test for about 5 years. I seem to do better on eca for fat loss, but may swap to clen for the anti catabolic effect.

I dont know my tdee, dont know how to calculate it, guess I probably need to look into the that. I am doing fasted, hit cardio in the morning. I'm probably gonna try to wing it on the meals, I really hate counting and tracking macros. I'm doing much better on my diet, that and adding cardio I think is gonna make a big impact. I'f that doesnt get me there, then I'll do the macro thing

Did you ever think of adding mast ?

Are you taking T3?


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[guitarzan]

Did you ever think of adding mast ?

Are you taking T3?


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Yea, I usually do, but im just taking low dose tren for calorie burning and anti catabolic effect. I'll probably throw some mass in there towards the end. Probably gonna add some var

[guitarzan]

Oh, and yes on t3

[almostgone]

Test and tren since January, but only been running tren at 200 a week. I've been on test for about 5 years. I seem to do better on eca for fat loss, but may swap to clen for the anti catabolic effect.

I dont know my tdee, dont know how to calculate it, guess I probably need to look into the that. I am doing fasted, hit cardio in the morning. I'm probably gonna try to wing it on the meals, I really hate counting and tracking macros. I'm doing much better on my diet, that and adding cardio I think is gonna make a big impact. I'f that doesnt get me there, then I'll do the macro thing

Think there's one here @ the forum?

https://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutr...penditure.html


However, there may be some online that allow you to simply plug in the variables and it spits out the value. I would definitely take advantage of.bethdoth's offer on the spreadsheet. Guys and ladies that know how to input the correct formulas into Excel blow my mind. Think I need the Excel for Dummies book that is dumbed down about 2 more notches? Frustrating, really, because I'm reasonbly proficient with right angle and compound angle trig and geometry

Keep up the good work!!

[KittyO1]

https://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/

This is an easy one I’ve used before.

[RaginCajun]

I got tired of all the number BS and started eating pretty much just meat, eggs, and cheese. Been seeing some good changes. Eat as much meat as you want, mainly red meat. When you start to feel as if you are constipated, throw in some broccoli or a salad.

After a few weeks, I started adding in some carbs on the weekends and then back to meat, eggs, and cheese. I also make microwave protein cakes with Quest protein powder to curb my voracious sweet tooth.

Just my two cents

[guitarzan]

I got tired of all the number BS and started eating pretty much just meat, eggs, and cheese. Been seeing some good changes. Eat as much meat as you want, mainly red meat. When you start to feel as if you are constipated, throw in some broccoli or a salad.

After a few weeks, I started adding in some carbs on the weekends and then back to meat, eggs, and cheese. I also make microwave protein cakes with Quest protein powder to curb my voracious sweet tooth.

Just my two cents

Man I've tried the no carb diets, I cant do it, I'd rather put the extra work and burn the carbs off. I am going low carb and fat. Not counting anything, just adding more carbs when I get weak.

[guitarzan]

Think there's one here @ the forum?

https://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutr...penditure.html


However, there may be some online that allow you to simply plug in the variables and it spits out the value. I would definitely take advantage of.bethdoth's offer on the spreadsheet. Guys and ladies that know how to input the correct formulas into Excel blow my mind. Think I need the Excel for Dummies book that is dumbed down about 2 more notches? Frustrating, really, because I'm reasonbly proficient with right angle and compound angle trig and geometry

Keep up the good work!!

Haha, know what you mean!

[guitarzan]

Think I'm gonna drop the tren and run a little var for a couple months. Been having some stomach issues, I'm sure it's the tren

[Proximal]

Loving the var, t3 (and clen ) combo for myself. Curious as to how much t3 you are using & if you're thinking of adding clen.

[guitarzan]

Loving the var, t3 (and clen) combo for myself. Curious as to how much t3 you are using & if you're thinking of adding clen.

Yea, I've been on eca, but bout to swap to clen . Running 100 mcg's of t3, and 100 mcg's of t4

[Charlie67]

Think I'm gonna drop the tren and run a little var for a couple months. Been having some stomach issues, I'm sure it's the tren

How much Test are you taking? Will it stay the same when you switch the Tren to Var?

("Switching tren to Var"... said no one ever, lol)

[Couchlockd]

How much Test are you taking? Will it stay the same when you switch the Tren to Var?

("Switching tren to Var"... said no one ever, lol)

I absolutely love var. It ripps my stomach up though. Feels like a dragon is inside me

[GearHeaded]

you may consider just lowering your Tren dose way way down, like 25mg per day is all, THEN add VAR on top of that at like 50mg per day. Tren and Var are pretty damn synergetic together and you add that on top of the T4/T3/Clen that your doing which is also super synergetic together (theres lots of enzymatic processing going on here).
with that low of a dose of Tren you'll likely not notice negative tren sides. but when you stack that together with Var (between the two your only running 75mg per day) your getting nearly 1,000mg per week of test equivalent androgen load, and 2,600mg equivalent anabolic load.

very light cycle with minimum negative effects, but combined all together is great for shredding . yeah I know, running that low a dose of Tren seems like heresy for guys like us , but believe me when properly stacked together for fat loss it really does help

[kelkel]

Big fan of very low dose Tren A. Works great, minimal sides.

[Proximal]

you may consider just lowering your Tren dose way way down, like 25mg per day is all, THEN add VAR on top of that at like 50mg per day. Tren and Var are pretty damn synergetic together and you add that on top of the T4/T3/Clen that your doing which is also super synergetic together (theres lots of enzymatic processing going on here).
with that low of a dose of Tren you'll likely not notice negative tren sides. but when you stack that together with Var (between the two your only running 75mg per day) your getting nearly 1,000mg per week of test equivalent androgen load, and 2,600mg equivalent anabolic load.

very light cycle with minimum negative effects, but combined all together is great for shredding . yeah I know, running that low a dose of Tren seems like heresy for guys like us , but believe me when properly stacked together for fat loss it really does help

Sweet combination - works amazingly well.

[guitarzan]

you may consider just lowering your Tren dose way way down, like 25mg per day is all, THEN add VAR on top of that at like 50mg per day. Tren and Var are pretty damn synergetic together and you add that on top of the T4/T3/Clen that your doing which is also super synergetic together (theres lots of enzymatic processing going on here).
with that low of a dose of Tren you'll likely not notice negative tren sides. but when you stack that together with Var (between the two your only running 75mg per day) your getting nearly 1,000mg per week of test equivalent androgen load, and 2,600mg equivalent anabolic load.

very light cycle with minimum negative effects, but combined all together is great for shredding . yeah I know, running that low a dose of Tren seems like heresy for guys like us , but believe me when properly stacked together for fat loss it really does help

Yea, I was taking low to start with, 200 a week, then I bumped it to 300. I'll cut it back to 200, maybe even 150, see how it goes. Sides never got bad, just when I drink beer on the weekends (yea yea, I know). Tren makes it nearly impossible for me to drink alcohol

[charger69]

Yea, I've been on eca, but bout to swap to clen. Running 100 mcg's of t3, and 100 mcg's of t4

Damn man - what is your resting HR?

I am going to a cardiologist because I had arterial fibrillation (irregular hb). I’m investigating on my phone while waiting on the Dr. ..: Guess what- an overactive thyroid and stimulants can cause this. You may very well have it. I refused the thyroid test- I knew my 100 mcg’s of T3 would have him making incorrect diagnosis.
The ephedrine didn’t help either.
Actually GH told me to take down the T3 before this.
We all are taking risks, just keep the risk as low as possible.

Take care buddy!!


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[guitarzan]

I just subq'd 25 mg, I'll see how taking that ed does. Was taking 3 days a week, the less and more frequent injections should help with the sides

[guitarzan]

Damn man - what is your resting HR?

I am going to a cardiologist because I had arterial fibrillation (irregular hb). I’m investigating on my phone while waiting on the Dr. ..: Guess what- an overactive thyroid and stimulants can cause this. You may very well have it. I refused the thyroid test- I knew my 100 mcg’s of T3 would have him making incorrect diagnosis.
The ephedrine didn’t help either.
Actually GH told me to take down the T3 before this.
We all are taking risks, just keep the risk as low as possible.

Take care buddy!!


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Its 70's or so, been watching it very closely. I think what I currently have is underdosed

[guitarzan]

How much Test are you taking? Will it stay the same when you switch the Tren to Var?

("Switching tren to Var"... said no one ever, lol)

I was running it around 400, but I've backed it down to 250. I usually run 250 year round, except when I bump it every now and then

[Proximal]

. Tren makes it nearly impossible for me to drink alcohol

Glad I don't have that problem cause I drink every night. Ain't nothing going to stop that, lol.

[guitarzan]

Glad I don't have that problem cause I drink every night. Ain't nothing going to stop that, lol.

Its terrible! I can drink a few and I'm ok, but after 6 or so it starts feeling like I'm drinking battery acid

[Proximal]

I'm still using minor league doses to minimize sides. When I step it up in a couple of months, I'm sure it will be eye opening.

[charger69]

Its 70's or so, been watching it very closely. I think what I currently have is underdosed

Atrial fibrillation doesn’t have any signs. It raises your chances for a stroke.
You have a history man- take care.
I went in for my prostrate and come out for my heart because of my stupidity of what I was taking. Didn’t feel a thing.


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[RaginCajun]

Man I've tried the no carb diets, I cant do it, I'd rather put the extra work and burn the carbs off. I am going low carb and fat. Not counting anything, just adding more carbs when I get weak.

Why low carb and low fat? Your body is going to hate you if you go too low on fats. You know your body better than us bud, will be following along.

[guitarzan]

Why low carb and low fat? Your body is going to hate you if you go too low on fats. You know your body better than us bud, will be following along.

When I say low, I mean 40% or a little more of my diet will be carbs/fats, vs 60% like a 40/40/20 diet

[Capebuffalo]

When I say low, I mean 40% or a little more of my diet will be carbs/fats, vs 60% like a 40/40/20 diet

So by low you mean almost 50%. I like your style. I like your moves.

[guitarzan]

So by low you mean almost 50%. I like your style. I like your moves.

I actually dont have a clue what the percentages are, but it sounded good...lol

[Capebuffalo]

I actually dont have a clue what the percentages are, but it sounded good...lol

Lol. Dude you have to count your macros.

I’m dropping Coke and sweet tea. Bikini season you know.

[guitarzan]

Lol. Dude you have to count your macros.

I’m dropping Coke and sweet tea. Bikini season you know.

The only thing I need to count are all the new veins!

I only drink water during the week, except a occasional protein drink

[Capebuffalo]

The only thing I need to count are all the new veins!

I only drink water during the week, except a occasional protein drink

Good. I was drinking at least 3 lg fountain cokes a day and sweet tea when I got home. That’s a lot of sugar.

[guitarzan]

Good. I was drinking at least 3 lg fountain cokes a day and sweet tea when I got home. That’s a lot of sugar.

I had to stop drinking anything with sugar because of my reactive hypoglycemia. I can drink a little of it on the weekends, along with some beers, but after a few days I start having issues. That goes for consuming any refined carbs

[guitarzan]

Hey slin guys, think it would be beneficial for fat loss? My thinking is, since I consume alot of my carbs right after my workout, shouldnt it help to hit some slin at the same time? Wouldn't that help me utilize the carbs, and not store them for fat? Help keep from loosing muscle while in a calorie deficit?

[Proximal]

What’s that spotlight they use when they need Batman? Need one for GH.

[GearHeaded]

Hey slin guys, think it would be beneficial for fat loss? My thinking is, since I consume alot of my carbs right after my workout, shouldnt it help to hit some slin at the same time? Wouldn't that help me utilize the carbs, and not store them for fat? Help keep from loosing muscle while in a calorie deficit?

post workout glut 4 levels are high, and your body is going to naturally utilize carbs to replenish glycogen first and foremost. this is true wither natty or enhanced. the benefits of being enhanced and utilizing insulin during this time is you get a super compensation effect. your able to drive more glycogen, amino acids, water, creatine, nutrients, etc.. into muscle cells.
this is how some guys are able to put on like 10 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks using insulin.

so you'll end up filling out more muscle tissue. but this does not mean your going to 'burn fat' at all.

the idea that you eat carbs and it gets directly stored as fat is propaganda for the Keto folks . the reality is that carbs need to be metabolized and go through processes in order to be stored as fat. where as dietary FAT itself, does not require any insulin or anything at all and will get immediately stored as body fat (keto people don't want you to know this lol)
carbs on the other hand fulfill various purposes throughout the body (the brain alone requires 600 cals of glucose per day to function), and carbs are only converted and stored as fat as a last resort. so in a calorie deficit, eating carbs post workout, they are not very likely at all to be stored as body fat..

however if your eating in a calorie surplus, eating high fat foods, with carbs and fructose,, its pretty easy for that 'last resort' to happen every damn day (glucose metabolism can vary greatly depending on wither your in a calorie deficit or surplus)

but if your in a calorie deficit,, you should be always in a slightly depleted state. and all the carbs you consume post workout will go to muscle and liver glycogen and not fat storage (with or without exogenous insulin)

as for insulin use and fat loss specifically. using insulin while dieting and purposely for fat loss is a fairly advanced and 'tricky' thing. As you need to use it fasted. I lay out this protocol somewhere, I believe in my insulin thread. its going to work best when stacked with a few other drugs and fasted cardio (slin, Yohimbine, hgh or hgh-frag).

keep in mind the only person in the fitness world that I know of that died from insulin use was someone that was using it for fat loss. way easy to go hypo using slin fasted.. using sling while bulking, umm yeah not really an issue and is fairly safe even though demonized by some.