Testosterone - 2000mg/week

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For the price, nothing beats testosterone , in terms of results. If it can't be done without testosterone, it can't be done.

[taiboxa]

For the price, nothing beats testosterone, in terms of results. If it can't be done without testosterone, it can't be done.

and the body composition changes induced from tren and its nutrient partitioning effects?

EDIT: misspelled partitioning

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Shit i better start lying my ass off so i can be a SMOD. Anyway i know the story about his girl but also heard the scamming allegations were BS.

I don't have the thread anymore, but it was in a "vet" forum somewhere on the 'net (not that I have access to any)...I think it was the MOB on SBI...and I e-mailed it to Brian as soon as I saw it....it was insanity...basically...in the end, it was found out that the g/f story was a lie, and he was supporting a coke habit with the money.

I wish I had saved that thread....the funniest part about it is that at the end, the guy who runs that vet forum asked that nobody release it, and that the confidentiality of the forum be maintained...which was about .003 seconds before it was e-mailed to me...

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and the body composition changes induced from tren and its nutrient partitioning effects?

EDIT: misspelled partitioning

What about them?

If you can't do it on Test, then you probably can't do it at all. Tren is a nice drug, but if you re-read my post, I said that for the money, testosterone can't be beat. Tren is way more expensive than test.

[BG]

Test IMO is overrated. I would never use more than 500-750mg week of test again but I’d use 2 grams of tren without blinking an eye.

For what 2 days?

[RA]

What about them?

If you can't do it on Test, then you probably can't do it at all. Tren is a nice drug, but if you re-read my post, I said that for the money, testosterone can't be beat. Tren is way more expensive than test.

I love test but I dont believe that at all

[taiboxa]

For what 2 days?

i say 2grams a week for 12 weeks, just an educated guess towards baj

[BG]

If Im going to run a longer cycle, I up dosage every 7 weeks. Ive been up to 1.5 grams, too many sides, I like 1.2, nice dosage, managable sides.

[taiboxa]

I love test but I dont believe that at all

yeah.. i kan gain way more str from tren than i can w/ test w/in a shorter duration too...

[BG]

i say 2grams a week for 12 weeks, just an educated guess towards baj

He hasnt ran any cycle for more then 6 weeks I think he always stops. The he used to say tren wasnt toxic, the resinded. He'll say he would rather take 2 grams of tren, but I say its bullshit and bad to say on an open forum, others may get the wrong idea that its safer then test. Going against the grain seems cool and the way to go but not in all cases.

[cstrong]

just curious is to what dose pro bodybuilders use? if 2 grams is a waste? ive heard that they do that in 2 days

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I guess, in a way, I've come full circle with regards to my drug use. I've done 4 grams a week, and all this exotic shit, and really, to maintain my bodyweight and keep getting stronger, all I use is 100mgs of prop/ EOD and 25mgs of Anavar . Granted, I don't train for hypertrophy (I train for performance), but that's another issue. I maintain a reasonably aesthetic physique nonetheless, by my standards (read: I have no problem wrt girls)

It's weird, because I have access (for free) to virtually any amount of any drug I could ever want, and I choose to get my gear legally, and I choose to use HRT-Level doses.

I suppose, it took me years of experimenting, and trying everything under the sun, and at pretty idiotic doses (200mcg/day of Clen , 4 grams a week of AAS, etc...)...it took me writing 3 books, doing countless cycles, and doing almost every steroid there is...

To realize that simpler is better, and 2-3 compounds is all I need...usually 2. I think most people would probably come full circle to that conclusion themselves, if they're given enough time.

[Mesomorphyl]

He hasnt ran any cycle for more then 6 weeks I think he always stops. The he used to say tren wasnt toxic, the resinded. He'll say he would rather take 2 grams of tren, but I say its bullshit and bad to say on an open forum, others may get the wrong idea that its safer then test. Going against the grain seems cool and the way to go but not in all cases.

Big klg being called out harsh! Dayum.

[Bigstiffler]

i know of about 5 or 6 guys that run around 1500-2200mgs of test a week but they are all also competing in pro level competitions. i thought i was big untill i stand next to them!

[RA]

I guess, in a way, I've come full circle with regards to my drug use. I've done 4 grams a week, and all this exotic shit, and really, to maintain my bodyweight and keep getting stronger, all I use is 100mgs of prop/ EOD and 25mgs of Anavar . Granted, I don't train for hypertrophy (I train for performance), but that's another issue. I maintain a reasonably aesthetic physique nonetheless, by my standards (read: I have no problem wrt girls)

It's weird, because I have access (for free) to virtually any amount of any drug I could ever want, and I choose to get my gear legally, and I choose to use HRT-Level doses.

I suppose, it took me years of experimenting, and trying everything under the sun, and at pretty idiotic doses (200mcg/day of Clen , 4 grams a week of AAS, etc...)...it took me writing 3 books, doing countless cycles, and doing almost every steroid there is...

To realize that simpler is better, and 2-3 compounds is all I need...usually 2. I think most people would probably come full circle to that conclusion themselves, if they're given enough time.

Your going to have to grow a bigger arm so you dont break it patting yourself on the back that much

BUT, there is something that we agree on. I like to keep cycles simple with 2-3 compounds..one being test.

[bowie]

I guess, in a way, I've come full circle with regards to my drug use. I've done 4 grams a week, and all this exotic shit, and really, to maintain my bodyweight and keep getting stronger, all I use is 100mgs of prop/ EOD and 25mgs of Anavar . Granted, I don't train for hypertrophy (I train for performance), but that's another issue. I maintain a reasonably aesthetic physique nonetheless, by my standards (read: I have no problem wrt girls)

It's weird, because I have access (for free) to virtually any amount of any drug I could ever want, and I choose to get my gear legally, and I choose to use HRT-Level doses.

I suppose, it took me years of experimenting, and trying everything under the sun, and at pretty idiotic doses (200mcg/day of Clen , 4 grams a week of AAS, etc...)...it took me writing 3 books, doing countless cycles, and doing almost every steroid there is...

To realize that simpler is better, and 2-3 compounds is all I need...usually 2. I think most people would probably come full circle to that conclusion themselves, if they're given enough time.

I agree, I stick with test enan. and deca as my base and I cycle suspension for 6 weeks than d-bol for 6 weeks, I do this back and forth for my bulking stage, than closer to summer I switch to test enan and eq and run anavar e/d for my cutter. And tai, if I had been running tren all these years, I would have gone through 10 kidneys by now. If it works for you great, but I never use it any more and I am 257 pounds now and expect to hit 270+ in the next couple months. TEST WORKS.

[taiboxa]

Your going to have to grow a bigger arm so you dont break it patting yourself on the back that much

BUT, there is something that we agree on. I like to keep cycles simple with 2-3 compounds..one being test.

[Random]

Side note : bowie u got any pics? sorry to get off topic

[vitor]

I think Testosterone is one of the more effective compounds to put on bodyweight/muscle mass with,
But high dose Test gives me to much sides, ive always felt that test is quite harsh on me.

I like to use test rather low, and use Tren or Primo as the main anabolic , together with an oral to reach diffrent recepters of action.

[taiboxa]

I agree, I stick with test enan. and deca as my base and I cycle suspension for 6 weeks than d-bol for 6 weeks, I do this back and forth for my bulking stage, than closer to summer I switch to test enan and eq and run anavar e/d for my cutter. And tai, if I had been running tren all these years, I would have gone through 10 kidneys by now. If it works for you great, but I never use it any more and I am 257 pounds now and expect to hit 270+ in the next couple months. TEST WORKS.

tren is not that toxic to the nephrons.. and if u play ur cards right w/ blood work and are RESPONSIBLE you have very lil to worry bout ... im so sick of hype on the 'hepatoxicity' or the induction of some sort of nephritis from TREN or DROL or wat ever.. it isnt hard to get blood work done and monitor your self properly... and test is lame i assure you of this

[Random]

and test is lame i assure you of this

Lame hahaha!

yea im not that experienced with cycling as of now but im beginning to see how more test does less and less for me...

[BITTAPART2]

test aint so bad IMO. yes tren is "stronger" and it does work that is for sure BUT test has its place, test only cycles have produced sustainable gains for me and is still my all around favorite

[taiboxa]

Lame hahaha!

yea im not that experienced with cycling as of now but im beginning to see how more test does less and less for me...

and when u learn to seperate parrots from non parrots u will see that exact SAME COMMENT ALOT!

[bowie]

I'm no one special, yet I've been around the block and have a scar and body art that would would give up my identity if you lived in my area, so I would rather not post pics.

[Random]

OK no worries bowie,


Tai--yea i know what you mean man, good talking to you BTW, im on the right track now

[bowie]

tai, everyone is different, when I did tren , my piss was brown the whole time and I never got a wink a of sleep. To say test is useless is foolish. I know many pro bb's that have never used tren more than once or twice, yet they prosper, I wonder how?

[taiboxa]

OK no worries bowie,


Tai--yea i know what you mean man, good talking to you BTW, im on the right track now

glad to have helped.

tai, everyone is different, when I did tren, my piss was brown the whole time and I never got a wink a of sleep. To say test is useless is foolish. I know many pro bb's that have never used tren more than once or twice, yet they prosper, I wonder how?

i gurantee you they are still utilizing VERY VERY HEAVY NOR group usage and DHT group usage.. which is the primary reason for anabolic growth.. not saying test is useless just saying it is not the most ideal compound for true LBM growth.. there are far MORE effective methods to attaining LBM.. where as test should be used for well being since it is the only compound that can replace the suppression of endogenous test production.

[bowie]

glad to have helped.


i gurantee you they are still utilizing VERY VERY HEAVY NOR group usage and DHT group usage.. which is the primary reason for anabolic growth.. not saying test is useless just saying it is not the most ideal compound for true LBM growth.. there are far MORE effective methods to attaining LBM.. where as test should be used for well being since it is the only compound that can replace the suppression of endogenous test production.

Now I can agrere with you a little, I don't use tren but I use deca in every cycle.

[taiboxa]

Now I can agrere with you a little, I don't use tren but I use deca in every cycle.

aye, imo deca is just baby tren lol both create awsome str/anabolism where test can not

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tren is not that toxic to the nephrons.. and if u play ur cards right w/ blood work and are RESPONSIBLE you have very lil to worry bout ... im so sick of hype on the 'hepatoxicity' or the induction of some sort of nephritis from TREN or DROL or wat ever.. it isnt hard to get blood work done and monitor your self properly... and test is lame i assure you of this

I'll post my last bloodwork if you post yours.

[Booz]

just for the record i ran test at 2g weekly for around 14 weeks in my last course,along with 600mg eq and other crap..................
sides to me were no different than at a lower dose....

[taiboxa]

I'll post my last bloodwork if you post yours.

so i need to have copies of my blood work in a binder so that i can respond to you i'll have my mom get right on top of that

[Swifto]

and we could start calling you Mrs. Swifto

Yeah. I dont think my body would process on that dosage.

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so i need to have copies of my blood work in a binder so that i can respond to you i'll have my mom get right on top of that

Well...you made the comment that it's easy to manage something like tren , even at high doses, if you get bloodwork regularly.

So I'd like to take a peak at your bloodwork, just to see exactly what kinds of numbers we're talking about.

Unless....unless...you don't actually follow your own advice regarding "monitoring yourself properly". Which is what I think the case is here. And if you don't get bloodwork, and you're only going off your own experiences with Tren....how do you know you aren't ****ing yourself up? And if you don't know (i.e. actually have bloodwork done), then why would you give out the advice you're giving out?

So...can I see that bloodwork now?

[oswaldosalcedo]

750 mg w is enough,unless it is a mr olympia contendor (oustanding genetics).

[oswaldosalcedo]

Well...you made the comment that it's easy to manage something like tren , even at high doses, if you get bloodwork regularly.

So I'd like to take a peak at your bloodwork, just to see exactly what kinds of numbers we're talking about.

Unless....unless...you don't actually follow your own advice regarding "monitoring yourself properly". Which is what I think the case is here. And if you don't get bloodwork, and you're only going off your own experiences with Tren....how do you know you aren't ****ing yourself up? And if you don't know (i.e. actually have bloodwork done), then why would you give out the advice you're giving out?

So...can I see that bloodwork now?

correct,specific tests:CRH,VASOPRESSIN,ACTH,TRH,TSH,T4 FREE,T3 FREE,ESTRADIOL,CORTISOL,LIVER PANEL.

[Swifto]

I have BW done every 4-5 weeks on a cycle and dont have it in a chart on my computer. I sit with my doctor and go through it, its high/lows and go fromt here. If I want it, I'll get it printed. Nothing more.

[taiboxa]

Well...you made the comment that it's easy to manage something like tren , even at high doses, if you get bloodwork regularly.

So I'd like to take a peak at your bloodwork, just to see exactly what kinds of numbers we're talking about.

Unless....unless...you don't actually follow your own advice regarding "monitoring yourself properly". Which is what I think the case is here. And if you don't get bloodwork, and you're only going off your own experiences with Tren....how do you know you aren't ****ing yourself up? And if you don't know (i.e. actually have bloodwork done), then why would you give out the advice you're giving out?

So...can I see that bloodwork now?

i go in talk to doctor, i go next door i have them take blood i get call next morning he tells me everything is ok or wat is elevated or if there may become future issues.. if there is something wrong we schedule another appointment w/in a week to come in talk about it and see wat we can do.. but as of late, the only issue i have is high blood pressure which i have had my whole life (thanks mom) where we meet once a month talk bout my blood pressure then i go next door to have blood taken wash rinse and repeat.. and even my cholesterol isnt too bad at all.. but i do not and would never keep my records around my place i am far to unorganized to even begin puttin shit in folders.

[BG]

Well...you made the comment that it's easy to manage something like tren , even at high doses, if you get bloodwork regularly.

So I'd like to take a peak at your bloodwork, just to see exactly what kinds of numbers we're talking about.

Unless....unless...you don't actually follow your own advice regarding "monitoring yourself properly". Which is what I think the case is here. And if you don't get bloodwork, and you're only going off your own experiences with Tren....how do you know you aren't ****ing yourself up? And if you don't know (i.e. actually have bloodwork done), then why would you give out the advice you're giving out?

So...can I see that bloodwork now?

I would love to see it also, Bajan argued at M+M that tren wasnt toxic ( now says it is), I had a friend who pissed blood after 5 weeks and I had elvated liver and kidney values ONLY when on trewn. I do blood work every 5 weeks, every cycle, test/deca nothing....test/eq nothing......test/tren my doc sent me to get a liver sonagram to make sure no dark spots or cyst. So to say someone would rather take 2gs of tren compared to 2gs of test I have to

[BG]

And as better gains from tren then test , the higher I raise my test the better tren works.