The Silent Killer - Blood Pressure

[MR-FQ320]

Many people forget about BP but its so important for your general health, especially when your on cycle you need to keep getting it checked.

This should be stickied in the educational threads section. I would disagree though to some degree when stated "High blood pressure usually causes no symptoms.". We are all probably familiar with what it feels like when we are in a sudden heightened state of blood pressure when ingesting thermogenics, taking AAS, etc.

I was also curious about one thing. A daily intake of aspirin was suggested as a means to control blood pressure. What affects can aspirin have for those taking anabolic steroids, and can Aspirin have a negative affect on protein synthesis?

I knew I had High BP last cycle but dare not have it read for fear of the ridiculous numbers, I added 1gram of aspirin ED but after a week lowered the dosages of AAS. The only other thing that contributed to my high BP was WORK and also the near six months of on / off clen did not help. Hind sight is a wonderful thing.

AAS is almost guaranteed to raise BP so is 8-12 weeks a year of raised BP going to be OK in the grand scheme of things?

Other natural supplements to help lower BP? Aspirin is clinically proven, Acai berry is supposed to, but are they really worth it ? I have seen other prescription BP lowering drugs on the market, but masking the effects of AAS with other drugs is not the way to go is it ?

[cro]

i know 3 people all pro bbs that had strokes this past year.2 died ,1 lived and now cant train ever again. there is risks with everything but with the right research it can be minumised......good post people need to use there heads it not worth losing your life...

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I was also curious about one thing. A daily intake of aspirin was suggested as a means to control blood pressure. What affects can aspirin have for those taking anabolic steroids, and can Aspirin have a negative affect on protein synthesis?

aspirin is an anti-platelet agent. it stops your blood from clotting unnecessary. you may also say it thins the blood, in a way. but i dont think aspirin can lower your blood pressure in anyway

[BBrian]

aspirin is an anti-platelet agent. it stops your blood from clotting unnecessary. you may also say it thins the blood, in a way. but i dont think aspirin can lower your blood pressure in anyway

Aspirin has been proven to lower blood pressure. It does this by thinning the blood, thereby reducing the pressure necessary to move it.

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Aspirin has been proven to lower blood pressure. It does this by thinning the blood, thereby reducing the pressure necessary to move it.

wow, thats an interesting way to think about blood pressure and "thinning" of blood. but i couldnt find any proof of aspirin directly lowering blood pressure, at least not on wiki's page on aspirin.

most times, blood pressure is only dependent on contractility of the heart, tension in blood vessel walls, total blood volume, and maybe renal perfusion.

[BBrian]

wow, thats an interesting way to think about blood pressure and "thinning" of blood. but i couldnt find any proof of aspirin directly lowering blood pressure, at least not on wiki's page on aspirin.

most times, blood pressure is only dependent on contractility of the heart, tension in blood vessel walls, total blood volume, and maybe renal perfusion.

...speechless.

Check out a valid source, such as the Mayo Clinic.

[Lemonada8]

Aspirin lowers Bp by keeping the surface area of capillaries up by preventing them from being plugged shut by clots. This keeps after load down which helps the heart alot.

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this is getting a little too technical. does the thread starter have any comments? is there any cardiologist in the forum?

anyway, i tried to dig up some proof, but i found this..

2002 May;20(5):1015-22.
Low-dose aspirin does not interfere with the blood pressure-lowering effects of antihypertensive therapy.

Source
Centro di Fisiologia Clinica e Ipertensione, Università di Milano, Ospedale Maggiore and Istituto Auxologico Italiano, Milano, Italy

Abstract

BACKGROUND:
It has been reported that aspirin (ASA) may interfere with the blood pressure (BP)-lowering effect of various antihypertensive agents and attenuate the beneficial effects of angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors in patients with congestive heart failure.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
Data from the Hypertension Optimal Treatment (HOT) Study, in which 18 790 intensively treated hypertensive patients were randomized to either ASA 75 mg daily or placebo for 3.8 years (with a 15% reduction in cardiovascular events and a 36% reduction in myocardial infarction in ASA-treated patients), were reanalysed for the whole group of patients and for various subgroups with particular attention to the possible effects of ASA on BP and renal function. In ASA-treated and placebo-treated patients: (1) systolic blood pressure (SBP) and diastolic blood pressure (DBP) values achieved with antihypertensive treatment were superimposable, with clinically irrelevant differences; (2) these superimposable SBP and DBP were achieved with antihypertensive therapies, that were quantitatively and qualitatively similar, and (3) changes in serum creatinine and in estimated creatinine clearance and the number of patients developing renal dysfunction were also similar. Furthermore, the cardiovascular benefits of ASA were of the same magnitude in hypertensive patients receiving or not receiving ACE-inhibitors.

CONCLUSIONS:
Even long-term, low-dose ASA does not interfere with the BP-lowering effect of antihypertensive agents, including combinations with ACE inhibitors, or with renal function. No negative interaction occurs between ACE inhibition and the cardiovascular benefits of small dose of ASA. Our conclusions cannot be extended to larger doses of ASA, or to patients with congestive heart failure.



and i think afterload is dependent on the tension of large vessels like aorta and pulmonary arteries, not capillaries

[Lemonada8]

After load is dependent on tpr. Arterioles and capillaries are the site of largest resistance and by occluding them u increase the pressure needed to by pass them

[marcus300]

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[MickeyKnox]

Fantastic article Marcus!

[marcus300]

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[clarky.]

Great post marcus.

[MickeyKnox]

This information is so important and critical to AAS users that imho, it should be a sticky.

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Ahh. My first discussion with lemonada. Memories...

So Marcus, what do you think? Does aspirin lower blood pressure? Can it be used like a bp med?

[Lemonada8]

used as a bp med? not really.. but in a hypercoag state, it would keep the capillaries from being clogged b/c of the anti-coag properties. that would help keep emoboli down to a minimum and prevent thrombus's from fully blocking circulation. Hence the main reason that its recommended to take baby aspirin daily later in life

didnt realize that was the first time

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used as a bp med? not really.. but in a hypercoag state, it would keep the capillaries from being clogged b/c of the anti-coag properties. that would help keep emoboli down to a minimum and prevent thrombus's from fully blocking circulation. Hence the main reason that its recommended to take baby aspirin daily later in life

didnt realize that was the first time

good, glad we cleared that up. aspirin is used to help prevent complications that may occur due to hypertension, like stroke or AMI. but it should only be taken if the risk of getting such a complication is high enough to justify the risk of taking aspirin daily, like increased risk of a bleeding GIT. aspirin does not lower bp per se.

ya, we have a bit of a history, don't we...lol

now we just have to find bbrian...

[senorrebo]

Great post, thank you.

[MickeyKnox]

I take a baby aspirin once a day on cycle.

BP is currently 117/78. Before cycle its 137/92

Go figure..

[WarEagle]

I had elevate Bp but not terribly high, just some headaches. I had nosebleeds a few times but i think it was because my nasal passages had become dried out. Do you think that was a side effect of the gear? (test and tren stack)
I check bp and it wasnt bad, elevate but not dangerously so, idunno..

[marcus300]

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[Honkey_Kong]

It should be added that the automatic blood pressure monitor equipment isn't as accurate as the manual mercury manometer. So just having one of those devices at home isn't a substitute for periodic check-ups at the doctor's office. You should still use one regularly though.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18755068

[Far from massive]

i know 3 people all pro bbs that had strokes this past year.2 died ,1 lived and now cant train ever again. there is risks with everything but with the right research it can be minumised......good post people need to use there heads it not worth losing your life...

I have been curious about the implication of AAS resultant high blood pressure in those who are otherwise have good blood pressure readings. My thoughts would be that while high blood pressure due to high viscosity ( thick ) is bad its not nearly as bad as high blood pressure due to vascular disease.

Along this same line it would seem that in the standard AAS user if its only present for a month or two out of the year, its a lot less damaging than if its exists full time ( pro bodybuilders who are often on high doses of the most damaging compounds, basically year round) add to this the strain on the body seen by dehydration, keto diets, CLEN and other drugs of this type, and its a wonder that more pro bodybuilders are not dying every day.

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to minimize the dangers of even a month of marginal high BP due to AAS use. Rather I am trying to point out that there are many factors in a body building lifestyle so one needs to consider all of them as its usually a cummulative effect that causes major problems. Myself I stay clear of CLEN and extreme diet changes as I feel AAS alone is enough of a problem. PS I do of course remove blood on as needed to control RBC's and keep BP happy on cycle.

[marcus300]

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[marcus300]

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[boxingfan30]

Good info. I am genetically lucky. My last BP reading was 110/65. It's usually that or lower though... to the point that i'm almost always cold. I just assume that is where the cold comes from at least. My sister's is low and my Father's was always low as well until he has gotten a bit older... he's on TRT, so that may actually be why too. Not sure there.

[sixfootseven]

great post thnx

[Brick]

Thanks for the post!

[marcus300]

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[RaW InStiNcTz]

AWESOME post Marcus thank you

[wingding]

Thanks for the great information

[marcus300]

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[marcus300]

Blood pressure very sweet at the moment

[APIs]

Mine has improved further recently from adding 5 mgs Cialis daily. Shedding 20 pounds helped too lols..

[marcus300]

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[marcus300]

interesting read for all

[lovbyts]

I recently started adding 1500mg Hawthorn Berry to my vitamin list to try to help reduce blood pressure naturally.

My only other options would be $$$$ Divorce attorneys aren't cheap. lol

[marcus300]

worth a read

[marcus300]

bp issues take a read

[Narkissos]

Having neglected to check my BP, it snuck up on me. One day I as normal...and the next day (it seemed) I was reading 152/92 with a pounding, constant headache, and some blurry vision. That was about 7 weeks ago. Needless to say, I've gotten serious about monitoring, and lowering, my BP. Cut out caffeine etc. It was quite the wake-up call.