Any health testimonials of old timer bodybuilders who previously used AAS?

[Schwarzenegger]

Curious about the health of people/bodybuilders in their 50's & 60's that have used AAS for years upon years and if they have any chronic conditions or any other health problems or health status in general as there's not a lot of info on the health of the old timers who used AAS.

[magic32]

30+ year user; looks pretty healthy:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...mb=fJ9WdQAQsam

[kelkel]

Because there's really not a lot of health issues that can be directly related to it. AAS is far safer that the average americans fast food diet, excessive drinking, smoking and all the other bad habits so many people have who don't exercise and diet properly, IMO.

[austinite]

Because there's really not a lot of health issues that can be directly related to it. AAS is far safer that the average americans fast food diet, excessive drinking, smoking and all the other bad habits so many people have who don't exercise and diet properly, IMO.

Yes. I believe I heard a stat somewhere that indicated more people die from alcohol related issues in ONE day, than steroids in 50 years.

[magic32]

That's curious!?

Why compare aas to "bad habits", poisons, toxins, carcinogens, etc?
These are medications, which when administered responsibly (controlling for dosage - how much, frequency - how often, and duration - how long), improve the very quality of life, sense of well-being, and of course aesthetic appeal.

Don't buy into the popularized stigma that steroids are negative.
It's that type of egregiously misconstrued stereotype that erroneously instills fear in our society...although it also promotes the very segregation we so lavishly thrive upon!

Omit that last clause, I couldn't resist!

[austinite]

lol. Well the same could be said about heroin. Which is also medicinally used.

[magic32]

lol. Well the same could be said about heroin. Which is also medicinally used.

Interesting rebuttal, but you're failing to account for the intent of aas usage, which certainly isn't to get high!
I like the way you think though.

[austinite]

Interesting rebuttal, but you're failing to account for the intent of aas usage, which certainly isn't to get high!
I like the way you think though.

True true. I was trying to get you worked up, but it's not working.... I fail there too

[freddy1418]

Very good points and awesome thread to follow... thanks Op and I hope to see some more feedback here sorry I can't contribute though lol

[kelkel]

That's curious!?

Why compare aas to "bad habits", poisons, toxins, carcinogens, etc?
These are medications, which when administered responsibly (controlling for dosage - how much, frequency - how often, and duration - how long), improve the very quality of life, sense of well-being, and of course aesthetic appeal.

Don't buy into the popularized stigma that steroids are negative.
It's that type of egregiously misconstrued stereotype that erroneously instills fear in our society...although it also promotes the very segregation we so lavishly thrive upon!

Omit that last clause, I couldn't resist!

The comparison was to show the direct contradiction of mainstream society. The majority of people such as ourselves are extremely healthy. Far more than those that put AAS down and live the fast food, addictive lifestyles that lead to such an obese, unhealthy population. Nothing negative out of me when it comes to controlled, educated AAS usage.

The contradiction reminds me of the story told by Arnold where he was walking and saw an obese person wearing a shirt with "Guess" written on it. He said "thyroid." Don't know why I thought of that but it seems to fit.

kel

[magic32]

The comparison was to show the direct contradiction of mainstream society. The majority of people such as ourselves are extremely healthy. Far more than those that put AAS down and live the fast food, addictive lifestyles that lead to such an obese, unhealthy population. Nothing negative out of me when it comes to controlled, educated AAS usage.

The contradiction reminds me of the story told by Arnold where he was walking and saw an obese person wearing a shirt with "Guess" written on it. He said "thyroid." Don't know why I thought of that but it seems to fit.

kel

Understood, and I see your meaning now, but your phraseology, specifically:

AAS is far safer than the average americans fast food diet, excessive drinking, smoking and all the other bad habits so many people have who don't exercise and diet properly, IMO

That preface instantly juxtaposes A with B, C, D, etc. It's no different than saying "Yeah, I'm fat but Monique is obese, and Kirstie Alley is morbidly obese."

By framing the argument in this way, you're correlating a perceived negative concept to those you consider to be more negative, in an effort to minimize the former's negativity. That's what the popular media does.

Why even speak of aas in the same vein (pun intended) as negative habits? If asked how your gf looks you wouldn't say she doesn't look as bad as British Idol winner Susan Boyle. Instead, you'd make positive correlations saying something like, "People often say she resembles Penelope Cruz, Salli Richardson, Olivia Wilde, Beyonce, etc."

[kelkel]

Understood X 2. My terminology, specifically this: "excessive drinking, smoking and all the other bad habits " in retrospect lumped them all together.

Duly noted.

kel

[Silverbimma]

Well, to answer the OP's question, you can't come back from the dead and post on the internet about what killed you.

As far as the fat person vs. chemically enhanced person... This is not such a cut and dry argument. For instance, the number one thing people on this forum push onto beginners is DIET. People laugh at a person when they say they eat only 2500-3000 calories a day. Then people boast that they eat 5000 calories or more. Do you think that eating so many calories (even while maintaining a slim waist) is healthy? Do your organs not have to work to process that much food? Do your arteries not get clogged from so much protein and cholesterol?

Your heart doesn't care if you are 300 lbs of fat of 300 lbs of muscle. In reality, while there are many factors, the muscle tissue is harder to pump blood through than any other tissue. Frank Zane even said it. He said something to the extent of "everyone knows that if you eat less you will live longer." Frank Zane, I think, had a very good size. His maximum, at his height, was 185 lbs. When you start getting to 230-250-270 lbs... you are pushing the envelope.

[spywizard]

well, i know of personally 6 guys that are dead from this board and 2 others.. none of them died from steroid use per say.. but from drugs that they used to combat the side effects of steroid use..

ie sleeping issues, renal failure etc..

for me 10 yrs 51.. I don't train and exercise to get bigger, stronger yes, better endurance for sure.. so my cycles now tend to be much more reasonable..

[JAMIE07652]

In the movie " bigger faster stronger " profile a man in his 70's who been taking test for 40 years and looks great ..

[Silverbimma]

In the movie " bigger faster stronger " profile a man in his 70's who been taking test for 40 years and looks great ..

You don't know this man and what he did or how he did it. And if he isn't lying, then he's the not the rule - he's the exception.

[hyphy_beast]

well, i know of personally 6 guys that are dead from this board and 2 others.. none of them died from steroid use per say.. but from drugs that they used to combat the side effects of steroid use..

ie sleeping issues, renal failure etc..

for me 10 yrs 51.. I don't train and exercise to get bigger, stronger yes, better endurance for sure.. so my cycles now tend to be much more reasonable..

May I ask which drugs you're speaking of?

[kelkel]

well, i know of personally 6 guys that are dead from this board and 2 others.. none of them died from steroid use per say.. but from drugs that they used to combat the side effects of steroid use..

ie sleeping issues, renal failure etc..

for me 10 yrs 51.. I don't train and exercise to get bigger, stronger yes, better endurance for sure.. so my cycles now tend to be much more reasonable..

Therin lies the key IMO.

[magic32]

Well, to answer the OP's question, you can't come back from the dead and post on the internet about what killed you.

As far as the fat person vs. chemically enhanced person... This is not such a cut and dry argument. For instance, the number one thing people on this forum push onto beginners is DIET. People laugh at a person when they say they eat only 2500-3000 calories a day. Then people boast that they eat 5000 calories or more. Do you think that eating so many calories (even while maintaining a slim waist) is healthy? Do your organs not have to work to process that much food? Do your arteries not get clogged from so much protein and cholesterol?

Your heart doesn't care if you are 300 lbs of fat of 300 lbs of muscle. In reality, while there are many factors, the muscle tissue is harder to pump blood through than any other tissue. Frank Zane even said it. He said something to the extent of "everyone knows that if you eat less you will live longer." Frank Zane, I think, had a very good size. His maximum, at his height, was 185 lbs. When you start getting to 230-250-270 lbs... you are pushing the envelope.

Not another Doom & Gloom prophet!

We know the routine, everything is bad: steroids , exercise, low bf, muscle, bone, blood, protein, carbs, fats, eggs, water, milk, and oxygen. We've heard it all before, your dad, brother, cousin or some family member corroborated your doctor's position solely vesting you with all the answers to life, the universe, and everything...42! Couple that with some misappropriated over-exaggerated bodybuilder information, choose one the leanest top bb'ers in history to support your premise, and build an fabricated argument based on erroneous presuppositions like most forum bb'ers are 250-270 lbs, eat 5K cals a day, and subsist on diets of pure cholesterol.

Well the last time I checked, the death ratio was still 1:1, some go early others late, but we all have to go. So you go your way weighing in at 155-185 lbs, w/virtually no muscle, strength, vigor or verve, eating grass, leaves figs, and distilled water, and we'll go ours.

No love lost, we'll all just live and let die (good title for a James Bond film). Save the rainforests, support the whales, and free Huey!

All of this is preliminary anyway, if you want to talk about what's really important, engage us in eternal matters.

Best to you.

[spywizard]

May I ask which drugs you're speaking of?

nope, rec drug talk is not allowed...

pain meds was one death after all too much muscle and injuries cause a lot of pain over a long period of time..

sleep aids are not intended for long term use

and renal failure/kidney failure

after all for any of us to go down this path we all have to have some degree of obcessive personalities now don't we...

and 1 suicide

[Silverbimma]

Not another Doom & Gloom prophet!

We know the routine, everything is bad: steroids , exercise, low bf, muscle, bone, blood, protein, carbs, fats, eggs, water, milk, and oxygen. We've heard it all before, your dad, brother, cousin or some family member corroborated your doctor's position solely vesting you with all the answers to life, the universe, and everything...42! Couple that with some misappropriated over-exaggerated bodybuilder information, choose one the leanest top bb'ers in history to support your premise, and build an fabricated argument based on erroneous presuppositions like most forum bb'ers are 250-270 lbs, eat 5K cals a day, and subsist on diets of pure cholesterol.

Well the last time I checked, the death ratio was still 1:1, some go early others late, but we all have to go. So you go your way weighing in at 155-185 lbs, w/virtually no muscle, strength, vigor or verve, eating grass, leaves figs, and distilled water, and we'll go ours.

No love lost, we'll all just live and let die (good title for a James Bond film). Save the rainforests, support the whales, and free Huey!

All of this is preliminary anyway, if you want to talk about what's really important, engage us in eternal matters.

Best to you.

I'm in the 200's my friend. You are going on the other end of the spectrum with this. I am 5 inches taller than Frank Zane, therefore I weigh more than Frank Zane. Just cause I say what I say doesn't mean I'm a *****. I am a natural mesomorph with a big frame and big muscles. I haven't touched a weight in 5 months and I still look like a beast because my genetics said so! My genetics also say that I have high blood pressure and I should chill with the weights if I want to live a long life. I know that nobody lives forever, I'm not trying to preach. But I'm not going to listen to some obsessive people that think that being huge is the only way to live life. Nobody gives a shit how big you are. That's all vanity. There are more important things in your life than how big your ****ing biceps are. By the time 95% of the people on this board reach maturity, they will have regreted all the bullshit cycles they ever did.

[Times Roman]

I'm in the 200's my friend. You are going on the other end of the spectrum with this. I am 5 inches taller than Frank Zane, therefore I weigh more than Frank Zane. Just cause I say what I say doesn't mean I'm a *****. I am a natural mesomorph with a big frame and big muscles. I haven't touched a weight in 5 months and I still look like a beast because my genetics said so! My genetics also say that I have high blood pressure and I should chill with the weights if I want to live a long life. I know that nobody lives forever, I'm not trying to preach. But I'm not going to listen to some obsessive people that think that being huge is the only way to live life. Nobody gives a shit how big you are. That's all vanity. There are more important things in your life than how big your ****ing biceps are. By the time 95% of the people on this board reach maturity, they will have regreted all the bullshit cycles they ever did.

I think i will have to respectfully disagree. Appearance and size have MUCH to do with how people perceive/respect you. The average CEO is taller than the average male. Why is this? People are discriminated against because of their appearance of age and grayness, even though highly qualified for a particular job when interviewing. whis is that? Beautiful people are more popular than the very ugly. And this is because? Fat people are scourned by society, and muscular people are glamorized by the very same group.

Two scenerios at a job interview. Both individuals are EQUALLY qualified for this executive level position. You decide which one gets picked for the job....

1) 60 year old, 5'4", 260lbs, and 50% bf - and very UGLY
2) 40 year old, 6'4", 260lbs, and 15% bf - and very attractive

Please don't tell me that appearance has NOTHING to do with which one of these two get the job!

[austinite]

I think i will have to respectfully disagree. Appearance and size have MUCH to do with how people perceive/respect you. The average CEO is taller than the average male. Why is this? People are discriminated against because of their appearance of age and grayness, even though highly qualified for a particular job when interviewing. whis is that? Beautiful people are more popular than the very ugly. And this is because? Fat people are scourned by society, and muscular people are glamorized by the very same group.

Two scenerios at a job interview. Both individuals are EQUALLY qualified for this executive level position. You decide which one gets picked for the job....

1) 60 year old, 5'4", 260lbs, and 50% bf - and very UGLY
2) 40 year old, 6'4", 260lbs, and 15% bf - and very attractive

Please don't tell me that appearance has NOTHING to do with which one of these two get the job!

Yep.

[Bigshotvictoria]

That's curious!?

Why compare aas to "bad habits", poisons, toxins, carcinogens, etc?
These are medications, which when administered responsibly (controlling for dosage - how much, frequency - how often, and duration - how long), improve the very quality of life, sense of well-being, and of course aesthetic appeal.

Don't buy into the popularized stigma that steroids are negative.
It's that type of egregiously misconstrued stereotype that erroneously instills fear in our society...although it also promotes the very segregation we so lavishly thrive upon!

Omit that last clause, I couldn't resist!

Wow, that was by far the most articulate way to explain it that I've ever heard!!!!! I'm gonna use that on my wife...

[Bigshotvictoria]

In the movie " bigger faster stronger " profile a man in his 70's who been taking test for 40 years and looks great ..

Unfortunately, Mad Dog passed away soon after the movies release. Many of those who wish to promote the 'Evil Steroids ' stigma have used him to counteract the influence of the documentary. Of course, typical to those trying to further their own personal agenda; they choose to omit Mad dogs unfortunate mental health issues, which led to the use and abuse of both pharmaceutical and street drugs, as well as alcohol in an attempt to deal with his personal demons. As the movie points out, we don't know what the long term effects are. There simply haven't been any studies. Of course many of the purported dangers of steroid use are gregariously false. The truth is this, everybody is built different. Our health is based on a myriad of factors, both environmental and genetic. What is bad for one person may not be so bad for another. In the end one quote does seem to stick with me: "Show me the bodies!"

[Silverbimma]

I think i will have to respectfully disagree. Appearance and size have MUCH to do with how people perceive/respect you. The average CEO is taller than the average male. Why is this? People are discriminated against because of their appearance of age and grayness, even though highly qualified for a particular job when interviewing. whis is that? Beautiful people are more popular than the very ugly. And this is because? Fat people are scourned by society, and muscular people are glamorized by the very same group.

Two scenerios at a job interview. Both individuals are EQUALLY qualified for this executive level position. You decide which one gets picked for the job....

1) 60 year old, 5'4", 260lbs, and 50% bf - and very UGLY
2) 40 year old, 6'4", 260lbs, and 15% bf - and very attractive

Please don't tell me that appearance has NOTHING to do with which one of these two get the job!

Well, then, of course, whoever is younger would get the job. But when it comes to those kinds of things, why would someone with a 20-year advantage be equally, or less qualified for the job? I would think the older guy would have more experience and be at a position where he doesn't have to compete with a guy that's two decades younger.

Also, just being muscular doesn't necessarily guarantee you will get the job. In fact, sometimes being big can guarantee you DON'T get the job. Case in point, when I went for certain acting jobs in LA I was told by different people that I should lose some muscle mass to look skinnier. Sometimes looking big makes you look like a self-absorbed insecure prick too.

I honestly think it's more about you as a person and your demeanor that count more than how you look. I've seen guys that are fat, ugly, but are quick-witted and confident. Most people want to work with someone who they can associate with and who they don't feel intimidated by. When was the last president a Mr. Olympia? And don't tell me about Arnold and his "governatorial" endeavors. He got there because of his influence and money.

I wont even get into the interviewers point of view... but I will say this. If the guy interviewing you is a fat slob that eats pizza all day, do you think he'll want to hire the next Calvin Klein model?

[kelkel]

Very interesting diatribe going on. It could seriously go on for ever as it is quite subjective in nature. Reminds me of the Saturday Night Live comment between Ackroyd and Curtain: "Jane you ignorant slut," then the next comment comes through.

Interesting points Silver......Demeanor and interpersonal skills are everything in the workplace.

[Times Roman]

Well, then, of course, whoever is younger would get the job. But when it comes to those kinds of things, why would someone with a 20-year advantage be equally, or less qualified for the job? I would think the older guy would have more experience and be at a position where he doesn't have to compete with a guy that's two decades younger.

Also, just being muscular doesn't necessarily guarantee you will get the job. In fact, sometimes being big can guarantee you DON'T get the job. Case in point, when I went for certain acting jobs in LA I was told by different people that I should lose some muscle mass to look skinnier. Sometimes looking big makes you look like a self-absorbed insecure prick too.

I honestly think it's more about you as a person and your demeanor that count more than how you look. I've seen guys that are fat, ugly, but are quick-witted and confident. Most people want to work with someone who they can associate with and who they don't feel intimidated by. When was the last president a Mr. Olympia? And don't tell me about Arnold and his "governatorial" endeavors. He got there because of his influence and money.

I wont even get into the interviewers point of view... but I will say this. If the guy interviewing you is a fat slob that eats pizza all day, do you think he'll want to hire the next Calvin Klein model?

You are in a way taking what I said out of context. Your "job" examples are the exception and not the norm. Most of the population are not actors, nor are they presidents.

In my example, I said everything being equal from a qualification standpoint. It is very easy for a 40 and a 60 year old to be equally qualified for a particular position.

I've had this discussion before with many people that fit into that "elite" profile (muscular, tall, attractive), and from what i see, they usually have a much easier time of it than someone fat, short and not attracitve. (everything else being the same) People get promoted based on how well they are liked, and people have a tendency to like others that look good and are attractive. To be considered for the promotion, you have to be able to do the job. that is the minimum qualifer. Attractive, tall & Healthy people almost always have a leg up on those that do not possess similar attributes.

There have been a variety of studies to support my comment. But the funny thing is that although these people that receive preferential treatment do not realize why. because for them, in most cases, it is in a blind spot. They do not see all the other factors that contribute to their success, except for some reason, they feel their "good luck" is attributable to some quality they feel they have control over. Believe me, short, fat ugly people are extremely aware of their "short comings", but for some reason, tall, muscular, attractive people don't seem to be aware of their "gift".

[Bigd89]

Well, then, of course, whoever is younger would get the job. But when it comes to those kinds of things, why would someone with a 20-year advantage be equally, or less qualified for the job? I would think the older guy would have more experience and be at a position where he doesn't have to compete with a guy that's two decades younger.

Also, just being muscular doesn't necessarily guarantee you will get the job. In fact, sometimes being big can guarantee you DON'T get the job. Case in point, when I went for certain acting jobs in LA I was told by different people that I should lose some muscle mass to look skinnier. Sometimes looking big makes you look like a self-absorbed insecure prick too.

I honestly think it's more about you as a person and your demeanor that count more than how you look. I've seen guys that are fat, ugly, but are quick-witted and confident. Most people want to work with someone who they can associate with and who they don't feel intimidated by. When was the last president a Mr. Olympia? And don't tell me about Arnold and his "governatorial" endeavors. He got there because of his influence and money.

I wont even get into the interviewers point of view... but I will say this. If the guy interviewing you is a fat slob that eats pizza all day, do you think he'll want to hire the next Calvin Klein model?

Post a pic lets see those big muscles you claim to have.

[ineedauser]

Show us you stud!

The post from Times Roman could not be more true... very well said my friend.

[freddy1418]

Post a pic lets see those big muscles you claim to have.

Did it get quiet all of a sudden??? Is that a hush to the request? I love these scenarios because most of the time people back right out after all the hype and talk lol Gotta love it

[bp2000]

short fat ugly Danny Devito - Millionare





personality and talent and smart's is what get's you ahead in life. Oh and money. You see all those hot girls with fat ugly ****'s. It's not because of their looks that they go with...

actually getting a job has more to do with WHO you know than what you look like. You could be short fat and ugly as sin but if you are the CFO's nephew your in like flen.

[bp2000]

Most of population is not 6'4 260 either.

[Silverbimma]

I'm not claiming to be some phenom but I can hold my own. I also don't pose in the mirror like some of you and most pics are with my girl. So I'll put one up in a minute.

[MR10X]

I have been using AAS off and on since 1980,i now have high grade prostate cancer.Did they cause the cancer,who knows but im sure all the extra test helped it along..........Im 5'11" and 195 lb.

[Silverbimma]

Can someone let me know how to attach a pic? All I see is the "enter URL" which is useless since my pics on that there computer.

[Silverbimma]