Blood pressure & Cholesterol control.

**optionsdude** · 03-11-2013, 12:30 AM

Also winstrol killed my lipid panel the one time I tried it. My total cholestrol went up over 100 pt's.

**lovbyts** · 03-11-2013, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Never heard of it. Where did you hear of it? Do you have any info or an article on it?

Originally Posted by MisterD

Bear,

Statin is like a Lipitor for high cholesterol prescribed by the Docs.

Stay away from Statin type drugs for Cholesterol if you can, they tend to do more damage than good. Every one I have tried I had side effects. It could have been the reason both my shoulders tweaked at the same time and I had to have surgery on my left on recently. Another one gave me a cough for over 6 months and the last one contributed to my high liver enzyme count.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-revealed.aspx

**MickeyKnox** · 03-12-2013, 03:06 PM

Bump..

**BBrian** · 03-12-2013, 05:34 PM

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Hawthorne Berry Extract. Hawthorne berries are high in bioflavanoids, which are known to reduce capillary permeability. There seems to be a fair amount of research studying the affects of this extract on high blood pressure and other related conditions, such as angina, cardiac arrythmia, as well as the early stages of congestive heart failure. At any rate, I typically have an elevated blood pressure whether on cycle or not, and when I started a cycle with Anadrol my BP entered stroke range. Taking Hawthorne Berry Extract immediately dropped my BP, and tracking my BP along with different doses revealed a direct correlation. Good stuff.

**trenhead1** · 03-12-2013, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by BBrian

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Hawthorne Berry Extract. Hawthorne berries are high in bioflavanoids, which are known to reduce capillary permeability. There seems to be a fair amount of research studying the affects of this extract on high blood pressure and other related conditions, such as angina, cardiac arrythmia, as well as the early stages of congestive heart failure. At any rate, I typically have an elevated blood pressure whether on cycle or not, and when I started a cycle with Anadrol my BP entered stroke range. Taking Hawthorne Berry Extract immediately dropped my BP, and tracking my BP along with different doses revealed a direct correlation. Good stuff.

Wow were can I get this Hawthorne berry extract mate I'm over in the uk btw sounds good stuff though I had a scary bp reading not so long ago

**MickeyKnox** · 03-12-2013, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by BBrian

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Hawthorne Berry Extract. Hawthorne berries are high in bioflavanoids, which are known to reduce capillary permeability. There seems to be a fair amount of research studying the affects of this extract on high blood pressure and other related conditions, such as angina, cardiac arrythmia, as well as the early stages of congestive heart failure. At any rate, I typically have an elevated blood pressure whether on cycle or not, and when I started a cycle with Anadrol my BP entered stroke range. Taking Hawthorne Berry Extract immediately dropped my BP, and tracking my BP along with different doses revealed a direct correlation. Good stuff.

I take this on cycle, particularly when using orals. Good call/reminder.

Originally Posted by trenhead1

Wow were can I get this Hawthorne berry extract mate I'm over in the uk btw sounds good stuff though I had a scary bp reading not so long ago

Any Rx will carry it.

**trenhead1** · 03-12-2013, 06:28 PM

What's r x mate

**MickeyKnox** · 03-12-2013, 06:34 PM

Rx = Pharmacy.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-12-2013, 06:40 PM

Actually, i should correct that because it really is a symbol for a prescription. But when i use it like that in a sentence its simply short for pharmacy. I hope i haven't confused you.

**trenhead1** · 03-12-2013, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Actually, i should correct that because it really is a symbol for a prescription. But when i use it like that in a sentence its simply short for pharmacy. I hope i haven't confused you.

Ye that's cool mate nice one I found out a store over here should sell them holland and barret need to pop in for a supp top up tomoz anyhow so will ask them

**MickeyKnox** · 03-12-2013, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by trenhead1

Ye that's cool mate nice one I found out a store over here should sell them holland and barret need to pop in for a supp top up tomoz anyhow so will ask them

10-4, good luck!

**kelkel** · 03-12-2013, 07:44 PM

Back to cholesterol for a moment. Guys who have issues should consider a VAP (Vertical Auto Profile) test. Labcorp offers it as do other labs. Google it. It goes beyond the normal lipid testing and is basically an advanced partical test that breaks down the proportion of dense LDL particles (large or small) with small being worse for you. Kinda opposite of what you'd think. The small ones can cause more inflamation thus more issues.

I'm getting one done Thursday actually.

**trenhead1** · 03-13-2013, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

10-4, good luck!

Hi mate I managed to get hold off 200caps off berry extract stuff it sais contain 3 caps a day do I do this everyday through cycle or only when bp high ? Don't want to make it to low lol

**trenhead1** · 03-13-2013, 03:40 PM

Anyone else no on this one what I posted above

**BBrian** · 03-13-2013, 05:46 PM

I personally take around 1000mg per day of the brand I get while on cycle, but there seem to be several variations out there depending on the brand. In general with what you have, I'd probably take two capsules each day, and take that again if you notice your blood pressure spiking uncomfortably. One of the great things about Hawthorne is that you can take it as needed; it seems to take effect quickly.

**trenhead1** · 03-13-2013, 09:41 PM

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Cheers for reply mate these are the ones I have

**gymfu** · 03-13-2013, 09:59 PM

Statins are extremely effective at lowering LDL quickly but have nasty sides and not worth it unless all else failed, IMO.
What about other classes of cholesterol drugs like fibrates or resins?

Anyone had any experence with these? I ordered some TriCor foe my next cycle.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-15-2013, 09:49 PM

Bump for the new passive, quiet, non gritty, softy, The Bear

**trenhead1** · 03-15-2013, 09:54 PM

Have been using these berry extracts past few days and must say bloody awsome bp sitting at around 137 / 77 that's ok isn't it ? Outher week it was like 170/ 90

**The Bear 79** · 03-15-2013, 10:12 PM

That's not horrible, but it IS classified as pre hypertension, you wanna keep it as close to 120 as possible.

**Honkey_Kong** · 03-16-2013, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by trenhead1

Have been using these berry extracts past few days and must say bloody awsome bp sitting at around 137 / 77 that's ok isn't it ? Outher week it was like 170/ 90

How much sodium do you consume every day? And have you ever thought about using No Salt? It's a potassium salt so it'll taste like real salt and it also will help lower your blood pressure.

Don't eat processed foods, they tend to have a ton of sodium in them.

**trenhead1** · 03-16-2013, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

How much sodium do you consume every day? And have you ever thought about using No Salt? It's a potassium salt so it'll taste like real salt and it also will help lower your blood pressure.

Don't eat processed foods, they tend to have a ton of sodium in them.

I keep sodium low as possible mate and after getting food poisoning I'n subway outher month I refuse to eat processed food again

**APIs** · 03-16-2013, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by gymfu

Statins are extremely effective at lowering LDL quickly but have nasty sides and not worth it unless all else failed, IMO.

Yes they can have sides, but the problem is many docs are prescribing more than is necessary. Doc has me on only 5 mgs of Crestor 3 x week and lipids are perfect.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-18-2013, 04:40 PM

Bump..

**Peer** · 03-18-2013, 11:01 PM

aspirin above all, can't beat 32% absolute risk reduction for heart attack and 22% reduction in stroke.
low dose statin if lipids are off, the Total cholesterol/HDL ratio is thought to be the best indicator of risk from lipids. If your HDL is great it can offset a high total. Ratio below 4 is usually fine.
With the blood pressure it is critical that the cuff is proper size. I see many using a standard adult cuff which is going to yield artificially high readings. Arm should be rested and at the level of the heart. The wrist cuffs generally stink.
And niacin is used in OTC and prescription to raise HDL if you can tolerate the flush at doses of 500-2000. Needs to be taken with aspirin and low-fat snack.

**The Bear 79** · 03-18-2013, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Peer

aspirin above all, can't beat 32% absolute risk reduction for heart attack and 22% reduction in stroke.
low dose statin if lipids are off, the Total cholesterol/HDL ratio is thought to be the best indicator of risk from lipids. If your HDL is great it can offset a high total. Ratio below 4 is usually fine.
With the blood pressure it is critical that the cuff is proper size. I see many using a standard adult cuff which is going to yield artificially high readings. Arm should be rested and at the level of the heart. The wrist cuffs generally stink.
And niacin is used in OTC and prescription to raise HDL if you can tolerate the flush at doses of 500-2000. Needs to be taken with aspirin and low-fat snack.

Great info here.....thanx Peer

**The Bear 79** · 03-18-2013, 11:20 PM

And thank you too Mickey.......

**calstate23** · 03-19-2013, 12:00 AM

And don't forget the obvious....

Smoking, dip...Tobacco products increase the sh*t out of your blood pressure

**The Bear 79** · 03-19-2013, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by calstate23

And don't forget the obvious....

Smoking, dip...Tobacco products increase the sh*t out of your blood pressure

Not to mention the mountain of other health problems that come along with...........

But that's another thread......

**MickeyKnox** · 03-19-2013, 04:10 PM

Bump..

**gymfu** · 03-19-2013, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

Yes they can have sides, but the problem is many docs are prescribing more than is necessary. Doc has me on only 5 mgs of Crestor 3 x week and lipids are perfect.

Ok, great that's what I wanted to hear from someone. Thank you sir.

I ordered some TriCor, which is a fibrate. I will keep this in mind if that doesn't work well enough.

**warhog** · 03-19-2013, 11:24 PM

Great post! I have been searching for this exact type of information lately.

**thephil** · 03-19-2013, 11:38 PM

Is 100mg asprin and 500mg B3 suffice to help bring bp down and help with cholesterol. I also take 3g fish oil a day

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**warhog** · 03-20-2013, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by trenhead1

Hi mate I managed to get hold off 200caps off berry extract stuff it sais contain 3 caps a day do I do this everyday through cycle or only when bp high ? Don't want to make it to low lol

Hawthorne extract wont make your bp too low. Actually, it is more of a stabalizer. It can raise bp when too low and drop when too high. Good, safe stuff.

**kawasaki** · 03-20-2013, 02:48 PM

oat meal , Celery,, are the 2 best things to eat for cholesterol ,,

**MickeyKnox** · 03-20-2013, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

And thank you too Mickey.......

Youre welcome Bear.

Bump..

**MickeyKnox** · 03-26-2013, 02:11 PM

Bump..

**MickeyKnox** · 03-29-2013, 01:50 PM

Bump..

**MickeyKnox** · 04-04-2013, 04:10 PM

Bump..

**Sgt. Hartman** · 04-04-2013, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by thephil

Is 100mg asprin and 500mg B3 suffice to help bring bp down and help with cholesterol. I also take 3g fish oil a day

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Aspirin doesn't lower BP or thin your blood like many think. It does reduce cardiac events due to its anti clotting properties by suppressing the production of prostaglandins. But yes a 81mg baby aspirin a day is plenty for this purpose.