HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[smile]

Myth # 2: I cannot use hCG past 30 days (This is not true, use it for 2 months. It'll be fine)

So If I plan on doing a 10 week cycle and hCG is only good for 8 weeks(2 months) I should start at the beginning of week 3 ?

[austinite]

So If I plan on doing a 10 week cycle and hCG is only good for 8 weeks(2 months) I should start at the beginning of week 3 ?

No. Start week one. the 2 months I mentioned was really just to show that the 30 day rule is nonsense. It never goes bad. It just loses 10% potency per month after about the 3rd or 4th month. So you can use it for as long as you have it. Just draw 10% more after the 3rd month.

[austinite]

Added the following segment to the original article....

Let's Clear Up Some Confusion About Handling hCG

hCG needs to be refrigerated for the sole purpose of preserving potency. It does not "go bad", ever. hCG merely loses potency over time, and at a faster pace when placed at room temperature.

hCG can be used for 90 days after reconstituting it. After 90 days, it loses approximately 10% potency per month. You can leave hCG at room temperature for about a week with negligible potency loss. No loss if it's in the early stages after mixing. After 90 days, you would simply increase dose to compensate for the 10% loss per month. So for those of you who travel, do not be afraid to take your hCG. No need to go through the extra measure of keeping it cool.

The reason hCG generally does not arrive mixed, is because in some cases, it is frozen in powder form, which would preserve the compound for millions of years. This way you can thaw the powder and use it at your convenience. Some manufacturers ship premixed compounds, such as the HUCOG brand, which is extracted from pregnant rat urine.

hCG is not as "fragile" as most of us are led to believe. If you prefer to minimize injections, you can combine your steroid compounds with hCG into the same syringe and inject. The only real way to destroy hCG is by freezing and thawing pre-loaded/premixed syringes, as the ice crystals tend to destroy the proteins. If you decide to freeze your mixed hCG, be sure not to re-freeze it, ever.

The expiration dates are merely the length of time the potency was tested. This is also used/marketed so that you purchase more of this compound.

[smile]

No. Start week one. the 2 months I mentioned was really just to show that the 30 day rule is nonsense. It never goes bad. It just loses 10% potency per month after about the 3rd or 4th month. So you can use it for as long as you have it. Just draw 10% more after the 3rd month.

Thank you for answering !

[SeXc1985]

Another good read , thanks!

[lovbyts]

Just in case I did not say it before. NICE post. Very clear and to the point.

Thanks

[godzillaaaaa]

Not sure if this question was answered, a few pages to read

So you recommend adding 5cc of the solution to the hcg . Would it hurt only adding 1cc to it so im only injecting 0.1cc per 500iu of hcg? Seem to see a few hcg's come with only 1ml of solution.

[Mr.diss3ct]

How take HCG when i am on TRT with Nebido 1000mg every 10 weeks? thnx

[austinite]

Not sure if this question was answered, a few pages to read

So you recommend adding 5cc of the solution to the hcg. Would it hurt only adding 1cc to it so im only injecting 0.1cc per 500iu of hcg? Seem to see a few hcg's come with only 1ml of solution.

.5 cc for subQ injections only. if injecting IM do more if you want.

How take HCG when i am on TRT with Nebido 1000mg every 10 weeks? thnx

Check out the TRT forums. Lots of useful information there. This thread if for cycling purposes, not HRT doses.

[e1ectric]

THANK you

[CaptainDwamn]

Great post!

[ChrisG217]

Man I really wish I knew about this before I did my first cycle. My question, is their any way to gauge the damage from not using hCG even if I only did 1 cycle?

[austinite]

Man I really wish I knew about this before I did my first cycle. My question, is their any way to gauge the damage from not using hCG even if I only did 1 cycle?

If you have baseline blood work you can compare to post cycle blood work. Otherwise no.

[kpham08]

Great write up austinite thank you for taking your time to write this. Quick question for you, I know you mix your hCg with b12, is this bac water included also? Example 1 ml bac water and 1 ml b12?

[Revelations]

Added the following segment to the original article....

Let's Clear Up Some Confusion About Handling hCG

hCG needs to be refrigerated for the sole purpose of preserving potency. It does not "go bad", ever. hCG merely loses potency over time, and at a faster pace when placed at room temperature.

hCG can be used for 90 days after reconstituting it. After 90 days, it loses approximately 10% potency per month. You can leave hCG at room temperature for about a week with negligible potency loss. No loss if it's in the early stages after mixing. After 90 days, you would simply increase dose to compensate for the 10% loss per month. So for those of you who travel, do not be afraid to take your hCG. No need to go through the extra measure of keeping it cool.

The reason hCG generally does not arrive mixed, is because in some cases, it is frozen in powder form, which would preserve the compound for millions of years. This way you can thaw the powder and use it at your convenience. Some manufacturers ship premixed compounds, such as the HUCOG brand, which is extracted from pregnant rat urine.

hCG is not as "fragile" as most of us are led to believe. If you prefer to minimize injections, you can combine your steroid compounds with hCG into the same syringe and inject. The only real way to destroy hCG is by freezing and thawing pre-loaded/premixed syringes, as the ice crystals tend to destroy the proteins. If you decide to freeze your mixed hCG, be sure not to re-freeze it, ever.

The expiration dates are merely the length of time the potency was tested. This is also used/marketed so that you purchase more of this compound.

What about in its raw form? I bought some 2yrs ago and its expires 2/14 but im not needing it for a few months. Will it go bad? Should I just reconstitution it and refrigerate it.

[austinite]

What about in its raw form? I bought some 2yrs ago and its expires 2/14 but im not needing it for a few months. Will it go bad? Should I just reconstitution it and refrigerate it.

At room temp, powder should last several years. I don't have an exact figure for you. But you can freeze powder forever.

[swaggypzero]

Hey Austinite,
So I just read over this and I feel like I am screwed lol. I am currently on a cycle and this upcoming week is my last week. I have been on for 15 weeks and this coming injection will be my last.
I ran the following
Weeks 1-6
Test E: 500 mg per week

Kick-starters
Dbol : 40 mg a day (Weeks 1-4)
Test Prop: 100 mg EOD, (first 2.5 weeks)

Weeks 6-10
Test E: 750 mg a week *noticed more bloating and not much increased strength so cut it back down to 500 after week 10.

Week 10-15
Test E: 500 mg a week

Arimidex -Weeks 1-12-0.5 mg EOD
12-15: 0.25 mg EOD (feel better with this dose)


I have run two cycles prior to this and I used HCG AFTER my last injection. The instructions were to hold off until 10 days after last Test E injection and blast it EOD. And to start clomid and nolvadex three weeks after the last injection.
I followed this protocol twice and I was able to recover but I have never been on this long before and after reading your post, I am extremely worried.

What would you suggest would be the most beneficial thing to do for me? As mentioned, I do only have one more injection left BUT I am really worried about recovery now. Should I just wait the 10 days and try this protocol over again or no.

I read your post as a visitor, joined the forum and tried to PM you but it wouldnt allow me to do that. I figured I could post here and get a reply nonetheless.

Anyways, thanks!

[swaggypzero]

Did I post this in the wrong section? Should I have created a new post within the PCT section? My apologies I am new on the site so I just figured I could add it to the thread itself.

[austinite]

Did I post this in the wrong section? Should I have created a new post within the PCT section? My apologies I am new on the site so I just figured I could add it to the thread itself.

Post a new thread and include your stats. We cant help without stats.

[HHC]

Post a new thread and include your stats. We cant help without stats.

Can you explain why someone like Rich Piana says that doing HCG while on cycle is one of the worst things you can do? Thanks.

[austinite]

Can you explain why someone like Rich Piana says that doing HCG while on cycle is one of the worst things you can do? Thanks.

No, I can't. And neither can he. Ever hear anything from him followed up by a real explanation? Of course not, because he's a clueless clown. He just orders people to do this and that without any detail.

That's why you and I both don't understand why he says whatever he spouts.

I've explained very clearly how and why to use hCG in this thread. I'd love to hear Pianas view. Not the junk posts he puts up on you tube. He is an embarrassment to the community as a whole.

[HHC]

No, I can't. And neither can he. Ever hear anything from him followed up by a real explanation? Of course not, because he's a clueless clown. He just orders people to do this and that without any detail.

That's why you and I both don't understand why he says whatever he spouts.

His explanation was that it sends mixed signals in the body. His claim is that when you're on T, you're shutting down your natural T, then you're injecting HCG and that is primarily for reactivating natural T, so it's conflicting signals. I was just wondering what you might have to say about it.

[austinite]

His explanation was that it sends mixed signals in the body. His claim is that when you're on T, you're shutting down your natural T, then you're injecting HCG and that is primarily for reactivating natural T, so it's conflicting signals. I was just wondering what you might have to say about it.

What does Mixed signals mean? Can you explain please? I need to understand exactly what that means and how it negatively impacts our bodies.

[HHC]

What does Mixed signals mean? Can you explain please? I need to understand exactly what that means and how it negatively impacts our bodies.

Well, I'm paraphrasing of course, from a video I saw of him speaking about HCG . But he did say conflicting, mixed signals and confusing the body in a way that shouldn't be seen as good. Using T and shutting down your natural T, then being on HCG at the same time which, he claimed, is used to turn T levels back to normal isn't a good thing at all. I'll try to find the link to it so I can relay what was said better.

[austinite]

Well, I'm paraphrasing of course, from a video I saw of him speaking about HCG. But he did say conflicting, mixed signals and confusing the body in a way that shouldn't be seen as good. Using T and shutting down your natural T, then being on HCG at the same time which, he claimed, is used to turn T levels back to normal isn't a good thing at all. I'll try to find the link to it so I can relay what was said better.

I can't really have this discussion. No offense, HHC. But it doesn't make any sense. It's like saying you shouldn't drink orange juice because the color is orange. Does that make sense to you? Of course not. That's how I feel about someone saying "Mixed signals is bad". What are the mixed signals? There are no mixed signals. hCG does not prevent shut down. You're still shut down. Shut down happens at the pituitary before your leydig cells stop responding. That is still shut down. hCG does not produce LH. It mimics LH analog.

Ask yourself something, HHC. Do you understand exactly what he is saying? Then ask yourself if there was anything that wasn't explained clearly in this thread.

This thread exists mostly because of idiots like rich.

[HHC]

I can't really have this discussion. No offense, HHC. But it doesn't make any sense. It's like saying you shouldn't drink orange juice because the color is orange. Does that make sense to you? Of course not. That's how I feel about someone saying "Mixed signals is bad". What are the mixed signals? There are no mixed signals. hCG does not prevent shut down. You're still shut down. Shut down happens at the pituitary before your leydig cells stop responding. That is still shut down. hCG does not produce LH. It mimics LH analog.

Ask yourself something, HHC. Do you understand exactly what he is saying? Then ask yourself if there was anything that wasn't explained clearly in this thread.

This thread exists mostly because of idiots like rich.

I respect your position and trust me, I do not believe him just because he's got some fame under his belt. I just found this interesting, ya know... Here is the link, skip to around 8:05, where he talks about HCG.

[HHC]

Oh, can't post links... all you gotta do is go to youtube and type rich piana on cycles, skip to around 8:05 and you'll see it in case you're interested.

[austinite]

I respect your position and trust me, I do not believe him just because he's got some fame under his belt. I just found this interesting, ya know... Here is the link, skip to around 8:05, where he talks about HCG.

Ive seen the video. It makes no sense. No explanation, no detail. Nothing.

Anyway, unless someone wants to give me details and exactly how it works, I am not interested. I took the time to explain for the betterment of education, I expect the same in return.

[Tank123]

awesome info austinite. very knowledgeable

[MODO]

Just wanted to say thanks. I'm changing my HCG protocol from a shock before PCT to running it along side my test.

That being said, I have one more question. HCG will stimulate normal testosterone production, so if I took 250 IU e3.5d how much test production will I actually be stimulating? Is it enough to factor in to my weekly test injections?

Like let's say I take 500mg enanthate ... would the HCG stimulate enough test that I should be lowering the enanthate to 450 or 400 or whatever?

[Black]

Lazy man here. I read the original post, but didn't look through the rest. Is the best way to test HCG by squirting the hormone on a prenancy test?

[austinite]

Just wanted to say thanks. I'm changing my HCG protocol from a shock before PCT to running it along side my test.

That being said, I have one more question. HCG will stimulate normal testosterone production, so if I took 250 IU e3.5d how much test production will I actually be stimulating? Is it enough to factor in to my weekly test injections?

Like let's say I take 500mg enanthate... would the HCG stimulate enough test that I should be lowering the enanthate to 450 or 400 or whatever?

Just use the least amount that keeps your gonads full and normal sized. No one can predict how much testosterone is produced. It doesn't matter anyway because you'd be shut down and you cannot separate natural testosterone from exogenous.

Lazy man here. I read the original post, but didn't look through the rest. Is the best way to test HCG by squirting the hormone on a prenancy test?

That and visually confirm that your gonads are normal sized.

[WoodyX21]

Austinite,
If I was going to take sustanon and was injecting EOD, would it be ok to inject with the sust every 4 days as it is just more convenient? Excellent posts BTW.

[austinite]

Austinite,
If I was going to take sustanon and was injecting EOD, would it be ok to inject with the sust every 4 days as it is just more convenient? Excellent posts BTW.

yes.

[JoeC6Z51]

My UGL that I have list's hCG under that "Orals" section. Do they come in pill form? I've never ordered it before. Waiting on a reply from the lab on his product.

[austinite]

My UGL that I have list's hCG under that "Orals" section. Do they come in pill form? I've never ordered it before. Waiting on a reply from the lab on his product.

No, that is not hCG .

[JoeC6Z51]

Just got a reply from him. It's not in pill form as in "oral." It's injectable, but I have to dissolve it in BAC water. That's what I was hoping for.

[splchamp]

great info here !!

[austinite]

great info here !!

Thanks. So how many decibels did the SPL champ hit?

[xthedukex]

Good read. Thanks !!