HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[austinite]

You have a short attention span, hacksii, but thanks for your input. I have plenty of articles around here for your reference. You and I will just agree to disagree. I have zero desire to be repetitive as I've debated this with sworder and many others from those junk boards you might be attending. You're inexperienced in my opinion, that is all. Nothing wrong with that, the majority are.

[hackskii]

Thanks for that.
I have been training for 38 years, and have used steroids off and on for 32 years, as well as a mod on the biggest board in the UK for 10 years.

I like your passion for your position, but just saying its old and outdated with nothing more than an opinion not using any logic to support your position is a weak position to stand on.

For guys that have a very hard time recovering I suggest using hMG, along with hCG .
Tell me that is old news...lol

I understand the use of SERMS, and why they are used, but using a SERM to achieve testicular function once shut down is the long road, as you suggest it may be an old road, but is the fastest road to recovery.

Just so you know, some TRT doctors do in fact use hCG along with their TRT, and they do not use a SERM.
John Christler is a pioneer in the TRT field, and for his recovery on guys he does use hCG as well.

Using 2 urologists that no doubt know diddly squat about restoration of the HPTA as your defense is weak.

Tell me how a SERM will offer a faster approach to testicular atrophy recovery than hCG?
You cant, and if you could, you would have already.
Nice emotional position devoid of logic.

You cant debate testicular atrophy against hCG, not unless you are making something up.

[austinite]

Thanks for that.
I have been training for 38 years, and have used steroids off and on for 32 years, as well as a mod on the biggest board in the UK for 10 years.

I like your passion for your position, but just saying its old and outdated with nothing more than an opinion not using any logic to support your position is a weak position to stand on.

For guys that have a very hard time recovering I suggest using hMG, along with hCG .
Tell me that is old news...lol

I understand the use of SERMS, and why they are used, but using a SERM to achieve testicular function once shut down is the long road, as you suggest it may be an old road, but is the fastest road to recovery.

Just so you know, some TRT doctors do in fact use hCG along with their TRT, and they do not use a SERM.
John Christler is a pioneer in the TRT field, and for his recovery on guys he does use hCG as well.

Using 2 urologists that no doubt know diddly squat about restoration of the HPTA as your defense is weak.

Tell me how a SERM will offer a faster approach to testicular atrophy recovery than hCG?
You cant, and if you could, you would have already.
Nice emotional position devoid of logic.

You cant debate testicular atrophy against hCG, not unless you are making something up.

Again, you're not listening and you want me to be repetitive. I in fact, recommend hCG with TRT. It would be STUPID to use a SERM alongside TRT. What's the point? You're on TRT!

This is becoming circus like. Seriously, read my threads and stop clowning around, I'm not going to repeat myself. Your attention span is shorter than anyone could fathom. Try reading before posting. Christler? He and I share the same views on this. He in fact is ANTI blasting hCG to prevent ITE.

Come back when you actually study up on the topic or when you decide to man up and start a thread. Until then, you can have the last word on this. Our members are much smarter than you think, so your garbage that you copied from a Doctor that isn't even legally allowed to practice (I know where you're copying your junk from) is no good here, sorry Charlie.

[clarky.]

Aust pm sent mate.

[hackskii]

Well, your 250iu twice a week is too light on hCG to keep testicular function during a cycle.

Your suggestion of desensitization with hCG is not true.

You put nothing in your defense for your position.

Id say you read up on this, I am fully aware of what John does, I talk to him from time to time on Facebook.

You read up on things, I can say with a good certainty you have just a little grasp of this subject, you just write in a fashion that appears to be true, yet you really lack the knowledge of what you talk about.

And FYI, ITE is no issue with nolva in the mix, yes that is right, read up on that one yourself.

So, I see numerous things wrong with your post, I challenge you, you say nothing in return other than its old, your attention span is short, but that is cool, you cant even defend your post other than read your other posts.
Why the hell would I read your other posts when your posts are riddled with opinion and lack the truth?

You sound like an armchair guru that talks shit.
Do you even lift?

Anyone reading this, this dude is looped.
HRT specialist?
Hell, pretty creative username, that is very deceptive considering you are full of shit.

Been following swale for 10 years, and he does in fact use hCG when guys are shut down, just not the dose others use, but I am fully aware of his frequency, and his dosing schedules.
He still uses it.

Man, the bullshit you spew is a freaking joke.

[austinite]

And back on topic...

[kelkel]

So Hackskii, you have 51 posts in 7 years. Obviously you reside on other forums.
Did you only come here to pick a fight? Or is anyone with a different opinion than you always wrong? How's that working out for you?
I'll pose the question to you. Do you even lift as I see no evidence of it?
If you don't like it here you're free to leave.

[marcus300]

Well, your 250iu twice a week is too light on hCG to keep testicular function during a cycle.

Your suggestion of desensitization with hCG is not true.

You put nothing in your defense for your position.

Id say you read up on this, I am fully aware of what John does, I talk to him from time to time on Facebook.

You read up on things, I can say with a good certainty you have just a little grasp of this subject, you just write in a fashion that appears to be true, yet you really lack the knowledge of what you talk about.

And FYI, ITE is no issue with nolva in the mix, yes that is right, read up on that one yourself.

So, I see numerous things wrong with your post, I challenge you, you say nothing in return other than its old, your attention span is short, but that is cool, you cant even defend your post other than read your other posts.
Why the hell would I read your other posts when your posts are riddled with opinion and lack the truth?

You sound like an armchair guru that talks shit.
Do you even lift?

Anyone reading this, this dude is looped.
HRT specialist?
Hell, pretty creative username, that is very deceptive considering you are full of shit.

Been following swale for 10 years, and he does in fact use hCG when guys are shut down, just not the dose others use, but I am fully aware of his frequency, and his dosing schedules.
He still uses it.

Man, the bullshit you spew is a freaking joke.

Anymore personal attacks and you will be banned, take the warning and pull your neck in

[EasyDoesIt]

@hackskii: I have been reading the recent posts and have never come across anything you posted in the past. You make a comment like this "Anyone reading this, this dude is looped." to a highly respected MONITOR who dedicates a lot of time and effort to helping others here. This shows your lack of respect and poor use of language. I would guess your self proclaimed expert in PCT is due to finding the answer to your own issues which by your posted protocols is still not working. If this is how you post on another forum you may want to go back their if you are still allowed. I can tell you that no one here is interested in your comments, nor does Austinite need to defend himself or waste time on deaf ears. Have a nice day...

[hackskii]

Sorry for my rude, and personal attacks.
I have no ax to grind here guys, I stepped out of line and I apologize for that.

Sorry again for my UN-professional behavior, it wont happen again.

[hackskii]

Oh, and Marcus can you delete some of your messages?
Your PM box is full.

[clarky.]

Lol pm Aust

[austinite]

Lol pm Aust

Got it, buddy. Thank you

[austinite]

Sorry for my rude, and personal attacks.
I have no ax to grind here guys, I stepped out of line and I apologize for that.

Sorry again for my UN-professional behavior, it wont happen again.

No problem. Thank you.

[SMYL_GR8]

As a doctor myself, I find it funny to see someone accuse someone else of spewing opinion that's not based on any facts and also claiming "I have plenty of articles to support this".... and then doesn't.

Hack, I assume you spend a lot of time on boards so you should know there's no need to say "I have plenty of articles I could post".........JUST POST THEM. If you feel Aust requires reeducation, then offer actual evidence based lit. Telling someone they're full of shit and standing on an island doesnt really help...........anything.

And kudos to Aust for answering the SAME questions over and over and over. I read the whole thread and even I got frustrated. You are far nicer than me.

[z06vett]

Got a question for ya, If I'm using a longer ester (test e, test c) do i start the Hcg on day one of the cycle. Or should i wait a week or so, once its running through the body?

[austinite]

Got a question for ya, If I'm using a longer ester (test e, test c) do i start the Hcg on day one of the cycle. Or should i wait a week or so, once its running through the body?

I personally prefer starting from day one so that you gain stability from the start. However, a week or so later is not going to make a difference really.

ps. Exogenous Testosterone is flowing through your blood virtually immediately. It doesn't take a week.

[z06vett]

Thank you!

[z06vett]

I personally prefer starting from day one so that you gain stability from the start. However, a week or so later is not going to make a difference really.

ps. Exogenous Testosterone is flowing through your blood virtually immediately. It doesn't take a week.

Completely forgot to ask you how should it be dosed. If i plan on a 12-15 wk cycle of test. Was informed 250 2 times a week?

[austinite]

that's plenty.

[Toosje]

Thanks for your article. Shed much light for me on the topic. Just to get this confirmed: leaving HCG at room temperature would only induce a potency loss of 10% per month?

Reason asking is because this is contrary to all the stories and tales I've heard at my gym

[austinite]

Thanks for your article. Shed much light for me on the topic. Just to get this confirmed: leaving HCG at room temperature would only induce a potency loss of 10% per month?

Reason asking is because this is contrary to all the stories and tales I've heard at my gym

No. Where did you get that? I never said that.

[Muscle Memory]

@Austinite: Thanks for posting this.

@Anybody: So I really want to include hCG in my cycle but its pricey from my source so I may have to get it later on. I was wondering if its 'ok' for me to get it later during my cycle and begin using it up till the start of my PCT.

[EasyDoesIt]

What would later be?
Doing it correctly would be at the start. If you read through this article and thread completely it would be invaluable to you and you may find this question answered and many that would educate you better on the process. Scroll up this page a little and look for your answer. HCG is an important part of your cycle and could save you a lot of problems that may arise during and after cycle. Good Luck!

[austinite]

@Austinite: Thanks for posting this.

@Anybody: So I really want to include hCG in my cycle but its pricey from my source so I may have to get it later on. I was wondering if its 'ok' for me to get it later during my cycle and begin using it up till the start of my PCT.

No. Not if you want to follow my protocol. Please read the article in its entirety as EasyDoesIt mentioned above.

[Muscle Memory]

@EasyDoestIt: Later would mean about 2-3 weeks into the cycle.

I completely reread the article and still didn't see anything strongly urging not to take hCG a little later on if you don't have it at the start. However, I do understand the importance of maintaining it for your whole cycle as this works best and is what its intended for. Honestly I guess my wallet is going to have to take a hit for this one... My ease of recovery is important to me as is keeping my testes from atrophying. I'm going to get 3 vials of hcg 2000iu and 3 vials of solvent, all pharmacy grade. That should be just enough for 12 weeks. I'll revisit this article when it comes time for me to mix some. Thanks again.

[kelkel]

I'm going to get 3 vials of hcg 2000iu and 3 vials of solvent, all pharmacy grade.

Solvent?

[EasyDoesIt]

@musclememory Scroll up the page to post 257, that is your answer.

[NACH3]

Austinite, thank you and much appreciated... I was confused about it already being mixed... I got some really bad info!!! To say the least! I didn't get that it had to be mixed yourself ... Thank you so much for responding the way you did I very much appreciate it

[NACH3]

Solvent?

I get it... The misunderstanding on my part is I was told by a igit they are always pre- mixed and austinite took me to school! Lol thank you for tryin to get what I was sayin earlier - that dang igit(idiot I know) told me all the wrong sh@t.... Got it guys and gals, very much appreciated!!!

[NACH3]

Me too and I understood it right after I read it thanks a gain austinite!

[NACH3]

And back on topic...

whoa what a f-in joke this guy was... Aust is nice enough to answer and re-answer constantly... Much respect aust

[Muscle Memory]

Solvent?

Yes. 3 vials of freeze dried substance with 3 ampoules and solvent.

@musclememory Scroll up the page to post 257, that is your answer.

Thanks buddy, makes sense.

[EasyDoesIt]

Yes. 3 vials of freeze dried substance with 3 ampoules and solvent. Thanks buddy, makes sense.

Better make sure your "not referred to as"(solvent) is bacteriostatic water and not sodium chloride. I have yet to see bacteriostatic water come with hCG and unless you obtained it from a pharmacy which you still better check and make sure it's bacteriostatic water.

[Muscle1988]

Is there any downside to injecting HCG and test at the same time from the same syringe ?

[austinite]

Is there any downside to injecting HCG and test at the same time from the same syringe ?

no..

[Slayer of Souls]

Do you guys ever mix the hcg in the bac stat vial it came in ?

[Allegatormap]

More good info thanks Austinite

[EasyDoesIt]

Do you guys ever mix the hcg in the bac stat vial it came in ?

Please read this thread. This question keeps coming up and it was just asked a few posts back. Most of the questions have been answered by Austinite many times over. The thread was placed here to give an explanation of of hcg and seems like many are reading the title but not taking advantage of the thread itself.

[Unknownn]

someone with a link for hcg PM me !!!!