girlftiend caught by cops with bottle of anavar

[ghettoboyd]

gains is right, that only pertains if she was trying to sell it.

you know I never thought of that angle maybe he was right...I have no personal experience with getting busted so that is interesting...

[magic32]

Wouldn't matter. If it is labeled/passed off as Var, it will be treated as such legally (regardless of what it actually contains).

I respectfully disagree.

As in Lunk's example below, if shampoo or anything else is in a gear bottle the law must go with contents, not the label. There is ABSOLUTELY no law against having a Var, Dbol , Test, etc. bottle...only against possessing the controlled substance itself w/o a script. I can have a trunk full of gear bottles with multivits in them, i.e. some of the sponsors here, and though they may provide just cause to test me that's a different subject.

[Lunk1]

I respectfully disagree.

As in Lunk's example below, if shampoo or anything else is in a gear bottle the law must go with contents, not the label. There is ABSOLUTELY no law against having a Var, Dbol, Test, etc. bottle...only against possessing the controlled substance itself w/o a script. I can have a trunk full of gear bottles with multivits in them, i.e. some of the sponsors here, and though they may provide just cause to test me that's a different subject.

Obviously we are talking about State law which varies greatly but what Bonaparte said is fact, not opinion (in many states). Many states have a caveat within their drug laws (both for possession and distribution) that covers "simulated controlled substances". This means that possession, manufacture or distribution of any illegal controlled substance OR simulated controlled substance is the the exact same violation.

Keep in mind, I am only speaking with regards to charging, not prosecuting.

[Lunk1]

gains is right, that only pertains if she was trying to sell it.

Not sure where you live or what your particular state law says but this is NOT always correct. I know a thing or two as well

[austinite]

Obviously we are talking about State law which varies greatly but what Bonaparte said is fact, not opinion (in many states). Many states have a caveat within their drug laws (both for possession and distribution) that covers "simulated controlled substances". This means that possession, manufacture or distribution of any illegal controlled substance OR simulated controlled substance is the the exact same violation.

Keep in mind, I am only speaking with regards to charging, not prosecuting.

No. It is an offense if you knowingly and intentionally manufacture products to simulate controlled substances. It is not illegal to possess empty vials or steroid -labeled vials filled with orange juice. Intent to distribute does not apply here whatsoever. You'd sleep in your own bed that night, in any state.

[Lunk1]

No. It is an offense if you knowingly and intentionally manufacture products to simulate controlled substances. It is not illegal to possess empty vials or steroid-labeled vials filled with orange juice. Intent to distribute does not apply here whatsoever. You'd sleep in your own bed that night, in any state.

“Simulated controlled substance” means a substance which is not a controlled substance but which is expressly represented to be a controlled substance, or a substance which is not a controlled substance but which is impliedly represented to be a controlled substance and which because of it nature, packaging, or appearance would lead a reasonable person to believe it to be a controlled substance.

In many states both possession and distribution of anything described in the above definition is illegal and carries the same charge and penalties as if it were the real thing.

[diesel101]

I got tired of all bickering so I called my buddy who is in law enforcement and asked him, Big lunk is completely correct (as he should know) but as was mentioned arresting and prosecuting are on individual basis.

[magic32]

I hear what's being said, but again what's in the bottle is what legally matters on any level be it fed, state, county, city, village, province, etc. You simply cannot be charged for possession of a controlled substance, when you are NOT in possession of a controlled substance.

Conversely, if you get caught with a manufacturer labeled bottle of Creatine or even Var powder, which actually contains heroin...guess which charge you'll receive.

I won't even broach the topic of "simulated controlled substances", because it's not worth mentioning. I will only say please visit your local (regardless of state) GNC or Vitamin Shoppe and take a look inside the locked case...the only products in there are "simulated controlled substances" all of which are legally sold OTC...and which are not a violation of the law.

[Lunk1]

I hear what's being said, but again what's in the bottle is what legally matters on any level be it fed, state, county, city, village, province, etc. You simply cannot be charged for possession of a controlled substance, when you are NOT in possession of a controlled substance.

Conversely, if you get caught with a manufacturer labeled bottle of Creatine or even Var powder, which actually contains heroin...guess which charge you'll receive.

I won't even broach the topic of "simulated controlled substances", because it's not worth mentioning. I will only say please visit your local (regardless of state) GNC or Vitamin Shoppe and take a look inside the locked case...the only products in there are "simulated controlled substances" all of which are legally sold OTC...and which are not a violation of the law.

I promise you that if you are caught in possession of 20 vials (example) labeled Testosterone and they contain nothing more than EVOO you are going to jail and quite possibly prison.

If anyone is so confident that its not possible. Give it a try and then go burn out in front of your local PD with your vials in plain view. Best of luck!

[austinite]

I'll go into the local PD and ask them if it's illegal. And I will show them a vial filled with water. This is ridiculous to be honest.

[clarky.]

Thats just fvcking mad charging you for somthing thats not eving in the jar tub vial whatever it is.

[zaggahamma]

meanwhile a house is being broke into down the street

[magic32]

Actually, I've 'personally' known guys who were caught in said situations. And yes, you are correct they were cuffed, and yes they were taken in, and yes they were detained, but upon discovery of water...they were indeed released, and not charged, with no pending court dates.

I see your logic, but again you SIMPLY cannot be guilty when there is no crime, and an empty bottle or one that contains a legal substance, is not a crime. Best to you fellas and Happy New Year!

[austinite]

What's next? Arrest me for wearing a shirt with a controlled substance pictured? Dumb. I can't take a sharpie and write testosterone on my water bottle?

This topic is over and ridiculous to begin with.

[riotz0r]

Lol well it wouldn't fly for possession in my state or at least in my county... If you were going to charge someone with POSSESSION and it were to go to trial you would need to send the substance to the crime lab, if it came back not an illegal substance the case would be dropped right there or plead out so far it would become basically a civil infraction. Its never happened to me but I've heard of it happening... Lunk is definitely right though, its different from state to state and county to county.

[diesel101]

Go to Iowa and try it that state is full of A$$hole cops!

[dem_gains]

Obviously we are talking about State law which varies greatly but what Bonaparte said is fact, not opinion (in many states). Many states have a caveat within their drug laws (both for possession and distribution) that covers "simulated controlled substances". This means that possession, manufacture or distribution of any illegal controlled substance OR simulated controlled substance is the the exact same violation.

Keep in mind, I am only speaking with regards to charging, not prosecuting.

Now ask yourself what comes within the ambit of "simulated controlled substances". It is much narrower than what he was trying to say (I.e if you put a label on something and call it such then the law treats it as such). To be liable under that provision there is a test you have to satisfy which involves delivering it to a third party and holding it out to them as the controlled substance etc. Leaving something in your cAr with the name on it doesn't mean jack. Like if I were to have my protein powder in the car and wrote "steroids don't touch" as a joke or something


Not sure if you've ever seen pranks whereby kids go out in public and snort baking soda...they aren't getting charged and locked up for crazy time because they present it to be cocaine.

[THE HOGG]

I believe the fake drug deal is only pertinent if you are selling it as a controlled substance. I know here in Florida they arrested a guy for selling fake weed to the cops. Said he knew they were cops so he sold them fake weed. Still went to jail.