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    Quote Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln View Post
    Cutting in a slight deficit is not taxing on the body....and I started a tiny defecit after the pct. I did use an AI and had no sides. My body fat % was 16% then 3 months after pct it was 15% According to a BOD POD which is pretty darn accurate. so while I thought I was in a slight deficit it was pretty much maintenance. Over 3 month I only dropped 1% body fat. EVERYTHING else was MUSCLE. I did everything by the book. I've been researching on this forum and various other souces for over 3 years before I took the plunge... anyone who says they maintain after cycle I don't buy it... Assuming you take time on=time off. Because my research just told me I gained 4lbs after 3 months AND I still have 1 more month to go before I could cycle b(time on=time off) I can almost guarantee you I'll be 100% back to where I was pre cycle....if I pct and came off for 6-8 weeks after that then I'd be bigger and keep gains. But that isn't healthy according to time on=time off
    Well,it appears to me,you've found the answer to your conundrum.It doesn't work for you,so don't do it.Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nogbad the bad View Post
    Well,it appears to me,you've found the answer to your conundrum.It doesn't work for you,so don't do it.Simple.
    Lol. Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln View Post
    Cutting in a slight deficit is not taxing on the body....and I started a tiny defecit after the pct. I did use an AI and had no sides. My body fat % was 16% then 3 months after pct it was 15% According to a BOD POD which is pretty darn accurate. so while I thought I was in a slight deficit it was pretty much maintenance. Over 3 month I only dropped 1% body fat. EVERYTHING else was MUSCLE. I did everything by the book. I've been researching on this forum and various other souces for over 3 years before I took the plunge... anyone who says they maintain after cycle I don't buy it... Assuming you take time on=time off. Because my research just told me I gained 4lbs after 3 months AND I still have 1 more month to go before I could cycle b(time on=time off) I can almost guarantee you I'll be 100% back to where I was pre cycle....if I pct and came off for 6-8 weeks after that then I'd be bigger and keep gains. But that isn't healthy according to time on=time off
    I maintain gains because I use the hell and hatred in my soul to choke down the same chiken twice sometimes and still make myself absolutely pumped for workout.

    My arms are sore as shit right now, I have no sex drive or apetite or energy but I force myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln View Post
    After hitting my genetic limit at 5'8 around 175lbs (around 10% Body Fat) I decided to do a cycle of test E (500mg/week) for 12 weeks.anyone care to chime in?
    Not sure if I am stating the obvious here but if you were, in fact, at your genetic limit AAS will take you beyond that but those gains will disappear when you discontinue usage as you can not live beyond your natural limit. At least that was my understanding but I am sure some more experienced guys will chime in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln View Post
    According to a BOD POD which is pretty darn accurate.

    You're putting way to much faith in the Bod Pod. It's not as accurate as you may think:

    The Pitfalls of Body Fat “Measurement”, Part 3: Bod Pod – Weightology Weekly
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    You're putting way to much faith in the Bod Pod. It's not as accurate as you may think:

    The Pitfalls of Body Fat “Measurement”, Part 3: Bod Pod – Weightology Weekly
    Lol, I was waiting for someone to say something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Lol, I was waiting for someone to say something.

    I had one done once. Once. At a local university. They gave me a number around 20 or 21%. I just laughed and said ok. I've never been that in my life and probably run around 10% or so year round without any effort, just genetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I had one done once. Once. At a local university. They gave me a number around 20 or 21%. I just laughed and said ok. I've never been that in my life and probably run around 10% or so year round without any effort, just genetics.
    That's funny.

    In graduate school we had a company offer to donate one to our lab if we used it in some of our studies and mention them in our methods and materials section. We politely told them no, we already had a DEXA donated to us and couldn't run the risk of the donor taking it back then leaving us with no accepted method of collecting body mass/comp measurements.

    The one thing I will say for the bodpod, it was a lot better doing that vs the old school hydrostatic dunk tank for body fat measurements.
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    After hearing what everyone had to say, it definitely had me reconsidering my first cycle, but I think the only way to find out how I will react and what I can maintain is to give it a go. Training year after year with no progress is getting old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Earl Spilner View Post
    After hearing what everyone had to say, it definitely had me reconsidering my first cycle, but I think the only way to find out how I will react and what I can maintain is to give it a go. Training year after year with no progress is getting old.
    Just make sure you don't dip your calories post cycle. When your body is stressed to recover its natural hormone production. You have to keep your Calories up or your body produces more stress hormones and does what it can to relieve its caloric Burden. I.e. Strip muscle mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    Not sure if I am stating the obvious here but if you were, in fact, at your genetic limit AAS will take you beyond that but those gains will disappear when you discontinue usage as you can not live beyond your natural limit. At least that was my understanding but I am sure some more experienced guys will chime in.
    HGH will push the limit. expensive but works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Just make sure you don't dip your calories post cycle. When your body is stressed to recover its natural hormone production. You have to keep your Calories up or your body produces more stress hormones and does what it can to relieve its caloric Burden. I.e. Strip muscle mass.
    This makes sense. Trying to cut when you're trying to bounce back from a cycle doesn't seem like the best idea.

    Does anyone actually gain muscle while cutting on cycle or is maintenance typically the goal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Earl Spilner View Post
    This makes sense. Trying to cut when you're trying to bounce back from a cycle doesn't seem like the best idea.

    Does anyone actually gain muscle while cutting on cycle or is maintenance typically the goal?
    Preserving muscle as much as possible. You can gain muscle mass and cut body fat at the same time. But because you need to be in a moderate amount of caloric surplus to both gain muscle and loss fat mass, you sacrifice the effectiveness a bit of both. That is why most either bulk or Cut as a goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fush View Post
    HGH will push the limit. expensive but works.

    It should not be that expensive. Shop around a bit more, it's out there and relatively cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    It should not be that expensive. Shop around a bit more, it's out there and relatively cheap.
    About 5 hundo a month is the lowest I have seen around

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    It should not be that expensive. Shop around a bit more, it's out there and relatively cheap.
    Just once in my life I have to run hgh and I cant find pharma anywhere. Marcus already convinced me to neber run anything but pharma.

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    I've got to apologize. I read the post as HCG , not HGH! Big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I've got to apologize. I read the post as HCG, not HGH! Big difference.
    Well, that really peed in my cheerios lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I've got to apologize. I read the post as HCG, not HGH! Big difference.
    Disappointing. You made me hopeful for a moment there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Well, that really peed in my cheerios lol
    Is that the first time?


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    Disappointing. You made me hopeful for a moment there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Is that the first time?





    Well, it really does depend on how well sourced you are.
    GIVE US YOUR SOURCE, Kel! Don't be a gear nazi now...

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    I need to get my IGF-1 levels checked, last time were 280. I'm on tren again (watchout) and might need caber again, but in the case I want to know before and after levels, if there's any impact.

    This oil is disappointing though, it's light green in colour, I hope I don't wake up hulk green tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    GIVE US YOUR SOURCE, Kel! Don't be a gear nazi now...
    I'd save HGH for our later years, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    I'd save HGH for our later years, really.
    This is my later years amigo. Great for down time etc. I only want to run it for a few years... straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    This is my later years amigo. Great for down time etc. I only want to run it for a few years... straight.
    Cool, how's your BP off cycle? Today I opened a thread so amazed I was from mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I honestly think short cycles are worthless, anything less than 15-20 weeks
    Just yoyos your hormones.


    Do you mean if they are cycling (blast and then pct then off) or do you mean blast then cruise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    This is my later years amigo. Great for down time etc. I only want to run it for a few years... straight.
    30 is old???
    Fuck me.
    I'm 46, guess I am almost dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    30 is old.
    Fuck me.
    I'm 46, guess I am almost dead.
    You're slightly older than me so I'm ok. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    You're slightly older than me so I'm ok. Lol
    I believed you were well into 50s. You look old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    30 is old???
    Fuck me.
    I'm 46, guess I am almost dead.
    Goals sir, Attachment 169123
    If I am to meet my goals, I am getting old. Wish I had started sooner.
    46 is still young, especially today. Now till 40 my foot will be on the accelerator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    I believed you were well into 50s. You look old.
    Cigarettes and whiskey and wild wild women. Brutally honest biz, as always. Cape would look 38 if he shaved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Cool, how's your BP off cycle? Today I opened a thread so amazed I was from mine.
    I am working to control my bp. I got my pulse rate down to 62 but still 157/98 and there about. Cant believe I dropped my rpr like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    About 5 hundo a month is the lowest I have seen around
    I've seen as cheap as 100 usd for 100 iu. I doubt it's real hgh. Probably hgh frag? As long as igf stays elevated, is there a difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    30 is old???
    Fuck me.
    I'm 46, guess I am almost dead.

    That makes me dead, buried and worm eaten.....
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