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04-25-2018, 08:33 AM #41BANNED
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well i appreciate that and you wanting to discuss the subject at hand.. thats why i posted this thread to begin with. get guys to think about why exaclty Winstrol is such a great contest prep drug to begin with.
I just find it funny how guys that have never ran winny once in their life, and have zero interest in ever running winny, yet want to jump in on this thread and post studies in an attempt to discredit me. thats their only motivation for posting.
so i appreciate you BB for actually wanting to discuss an interesting subject for the sake of the subject itself, and not simply posting just for the sake of wanting to discredit or argue with me
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04-25-2018, 08:45 AM #42
I have ran winny, and love it, although nowadays I dont use orals, priorities shift you know how it is.
But never actually tested cortisol while on cycle. In my opinion, and that why I asked about uric acid values, sometimes got joints issues while on it which I accredited it to uric crystals acummulation on joints. Maybe I need to ran it this summer...
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04-25-2018, 11:37 AM #44
The thread was written as an article and explicitly states a mechanism for some effects of the drug, and thus a source is required to verify the info. There is burden of evidence on that alone and blood tests won't prove it has this effect as described.
Regarding the hierarchical order in which we evaluate the truthfulness of a belief, a single persons reported experience ranks lowest.
But yes we're all left behind, now that Rodchenkov is under protective custody too... We're left with no option. Lol
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04-25-2018, 11:39 AM #45
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04-25-2018, 11:46 AM #46
I didnt either.
Now I am weighing joint pain vs muscle loss at my job.
This is awesome gh.
I never considered running winny again until I read that part. Cortisol has always been a huge enemy of mine because my job is extremely high adrenaline sometimes. I have sought ways to block it but never found one.
Next blast I may up the trt deca to higher dosages and throw in winny as the oral.
Now I am looking at
Tren base
Mk677
Winny
Masteron
Hexarellin
You know how to make a guy think, especially a dumb one like me.
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04-25-2018, 11:58 AM #47
Btw...
I need at least two fda approved studies referencing this information and a picture of you holding a sign that says "stick it in her pooper". I will also need two videos of at least one mff threesome (while holding a bottle of winny) at your gym, with your wife and gf.
We need these in no longer than 10 minutes from now.
And you must bust a nut for it to be legitimate.
We will also need a sample of the semen mailed to marcus so that he may anal-yze it.
**I will extend the offer to when you get around to it.**Last edited by Obs; 04-25-2018 at 12:28 PM.
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04-25-2018, 12:03 PM #48
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04-25-2018, 01:34 PM #49
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04-25-2018, 02:13 PM #50
whats winstrol got to do with herniated discs
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04-25-2018, 02:28 PM #51
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04-25-2018, 02:40 PM #52BANNED
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exactly right. when you have issues like this you don't want to totally block cortisol, as its a natural anti inflammatory, adding in things like deca which can help you hold fluid may be beneficial as well.
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04-25-2018, 03:57 PM #53
It doesnt necessarily effect the herniated area soecifically but it makes it more uncomfortable. Im on the comeback trail now from spinal surgery. Had one in 06 then had to have another in 17, put me outta commission for quite a long time. I was on winny when i had my 2nd issue. And although the vertebrae isnt a joint and doesnt utilize cortisol like the joints, the winny made for an even worse experience.
Im runnin winny now with deca , started winny a week ago.
I took some notes at a seminar a few years ago, just found them
From what i have always understood, it doesnt totally inhibit, but at 50mg or 100mg dose, would decrease it more significantly. Winny messes with the adrenal cortisol release, and binds to glucocorticoid proteins, not receptors. It knocks the bound cortisol off the protein into circulation within the body. Which is why its believed people have a bounce back effect of cortisol when they come off winny.
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04-25-2018, 03:59 PM #54
I dont know if my last bloods had cortisol results in them, i doubt it. But ill pull them up anyway, and of they did, ill let you guys know and ill play guinea pig to see what it does to levels
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04-26-2018, 08:33 AM #55
I love Winny it's an amazing drug. It does make my joints hurt a bit when lifting heavy or doing certain movements like lateral raises with cables because of the constant tension. But risk/reward like everything else in life. Wanna have insane muscle separation and striations feathered throughout your body...? Gotta deal with some side effects lol.
I personally thought this post was interesting.
I assume everything GH posts is from personal experience and in my best judgement the man is a wealth of knowledge, even though it may be anecdotal....I personally would rather take advice from someone who's lived something than someone who's read something.
None of us are scientists.. Let's get real lol!
IMO what he's saying makes perfect sense because on a severely calorie restricted diet you will retain almost all of your muscle on Winny and the blocking of cortisol makes sense to me as the reason....or at least part of the reason.
Winny and Primo are the 2 most commonly used drugs (in combination with other shit, of course) that are used precontest because when guys are pulling their calories back and still training hard it stresses the hell out of your body and these compounds are great at preserving muscle tissue while bringing out separation.
It would be interesting to look into whether or not Primo has the property as well of blunting cortisol production..
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