Sterile abcess

**mac34** · 03-05-2019, 09:21 AM

I think I have sterile abscess in my 2 thighs. I posted a thread recently, but decided I'm going to repost since now I have more details and new questions

The problem: I never had anything like that happen in my 5 month experience with pinning, but I got this 2 times in a row. One thigh after the other. The left thigh was 9 days ago and the right one 6 days ago. The right one was always less severe, but they are similar in size now. That caused me to think it was an infection, but again, no fever, no redness, feeling normal, no pain, no swelling, only the lump.

Symptoms: no fever, redness or anything. A little warm. One week ago, 2-3 days after the shot it felt like I had a small breast implant underneath my quad lol I think it got a little better since then, but ti doesn't seem to go away anytime soon.

Possible causes: pinning the same spot every week (alternating quads 2 with frequency every 3-4 days), poor injection technique (very low angle) - I felt I screwed up something and I felt pain immediately which was unusual. Crystals in the vial - I think I saw air bubbles in the vial some time ago but didn't make anything of it. Now after taking a look I think those are crystals.

So I have a few questions regarding the situation, sorted by priority:

1. My biggest concern is about draining the abscess. If it's gonna get smaller, do I need to drain it? Will it heal by itself? I heard that sterile abscess might lead to sepsis if left untreated so that's what I mainly worry about.

2. I bought a heat pack now and will try to treat it that way. I think infection is ruled out, given it was almost 1.5 weeks since the 1st injection and I didn't experience any symptoms, so I guess any antibiotics wouldn't be needed?

3. Pinning. I feel like I won't be able to pin my quads for some month or so. I think the only choice is to double the dosage, and make the frequency every week and alternate the delts (100mg - 120mg of Cypionate injection). Is that a good move? Glutes I completely rule out. I don't imagine how I could pin them myself, and after seeing nasty infection pictures... yeah, just in case I wouldn't want to be sitting on that

4. Can I cycle and/or do casual running with a sterile abscess in my quads? Or will it make it worse?

Any help appreciated! Thanks guys and thanks for all your replies in the other thread.

**Couchlockd** · 03-05-2019, 01:45 PM

Go to ER, they will give you cephalaxin.

Do not attempt to drain it.

The lumps, are your body's way of quarantining off a foreign substance in body.

It builds fluid around foreign matter to isolate it from entering blood stream

**mac34** · 03-05-2019, 03:39 PM

Wouldn't I need an antibiotic only if it's a bacterial infection?

**Couchlockd** · 03-05-2019, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by mac34

Wouldn't I need an antibiotic only if it's a bacterial infection?

The cephalaxin will help with the body getting rid if it
.the swelling and tenderness is due to body sending white blood cells to location. Inflammation is the body's response to these things.

**mac34** · 03-05-2019, 03:59 PM

Ok I will try it, thanks. But what do you think about going going to a doctor and have him drain it? Should I consider trying it or is that unnecessary?

Also will heating up the area help or make it worse?

**Couchlockd** · 03-05-2019, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by mac34

Ok I will try it, thanks. But what do you think about going going to a doctor and have him drain it? Should I consider trying it or is that unnecessary?

Also will heating up the area help or make it worse?

Go to ER.

Tell them vitamin B12 injections.

They will help you.

**Quester** · 03-05-2019, 04:50 PM

Urgent care is cheaper. No, don't heat it. They might drain it which, would be better than if you do it because they will take a sample and test it for pathogens. These tests determine if it is a gram - or + bacteria, a virus or something else. They will have no reason, and they will not, test it to determine the substance. If you don't go to the ER/Urgent care, keep the vial in case it gets worse so that they can identify the pathogen.
You probably do this anyway but always use sterile techniques. The pathogen may not have come from the vial but, don't use that vial again.
If your shooting IM, then go in a 90 degrees and do it right, next time.
Just go to the medical facility and get it done so that you can move forward.

**Obs** · 03-05-2019, 04:56 PM

I drained one a while back with a syringe and big needle. It was sub q though.
Puss, water, blood, and oddly enough Air.

It were nesty!

Itched like the holy bejeesus too.

**mac34** · 03-05-2019, 05:23 PM

I will go to the ER tomorrow morning. Thanks!

**< <Samson> >** · 03-05-2019, 05:26 PM

^ exactly

I’d spike it with a large ga then try to pull it

Then hit that shit with a 500mg Amoxil for a week

Unless u have insurance & don’t mind the er - I wouldn’t go to urgent care, they get scared of deep stuff around here

**mac34** · 03-06-2019, 06:25 AM

Yes, so I tried to get to ER today but finally gave up. I went to the general international emergency, they sent me to a hospital, in that hospital I was in several places until I finally found what I need. Thehn it turned out to be a trauma center, and I need ER or something like that, and they sent me to another hospital which was very far away, and I kinda ran out of time.

I know, I know, I should get to ER anyway, but it turns out I'm not insured and I will be at home on Tuesday. Could it wait a week, or am I playing with fire?

**< <Samson> >** · 03-06-2019, 07:13 AM

I would say something dumb like “you’ll be fine” - but, there’s no way to know that

There’s not much(aside from severe trauma) I can’t handle at home - luckily, I haven’t had a real sterile abscess. . . I had a rough reaction once, but antibiotics cleared it.

Keep a real close eye on it. . . See if it gets better or worse.

To me, it sounds like fresh muscle not liking the gear

Like the shit I started now - it’s in mct & loaded with alcohol. Shit left me sore for a day or 2 at 1st.

**kelkel** · 03-06-2019, 02:31 PM

And stop pinning your quads.....

**mac34** · 03-06-2019, 04:04 PM

Yeah, I will hit the delts now and decrease the frequency to once a week. All this made me realize I don't need to pin twice a week.

I will try to book an appointment with a chiro on tuesday. I figure it will be money better spent in a private clinic than here in ER without insurance.

Also really I shouldn't treat it with heat? I searched the forums and seems like a lot of guys were recommending heating pads.

**Rjr1983** · 03-06-2019, 04:48 PM

Holy shit i guessed right? Score one for information regurgitation!

**Obs** · 03-08-2019, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Quester

Urgent care is cheaper. No, don't heat it. They might drain it which, would be better than if you do it because they will take a sample and test it for pathogens. These tests determine if it is a gram - or + bacteria, a virus or something else. They will have no reason, and they will not, test it to determine the substance. If you don't go to the ER/Urgent care, keep the vial in case it gets worse so that they can identify the pathogen.
You probably do this anyway but always use sterile techniques. The pathogen may not have come from the vial but, don't use that vial again.
If your shooting IM, then go in a 90 degrees and do it right, next time.
Just go to the medical facility and get it done so that you can move forward.

You doctor types need to go council the veterinarians around here.
Every vet I have ever met will mix tetracycline and penicillin together. As a general rule my brother said you do not mix gram positive and gram negative antibiotics. He actually hasnt been proven wrong.
Yes broad spectrum can fight certain bacteria of both but every synergistic experiment I have seen failed when using gram pos and gram neg specific antibiotics in cooperation.

I watched him scream at a vet for mixing tetracycline and pennicillin in the same bull in the early 2000's (both gram-) because they counteract . I was stunned as was the vet because we both were dumb on the subject.

I have always been curious whether he was right about his firm belief in no mixing of opposite gram specific antibiotics. Bovine medicine was his specific though. He could make a dead calf walk long enough to sell it. Absolute genius when it came to cattle medicine.

**mac34** · 03-31-2019, 10:07 AM

I didn't do anything about it, and while it seems to slowly get smaller it is still there.

Though one week ago, I got cold, I cough, have runny nose and fever stays with me everyday (kicks in from time to time). It's a bit unusual for me, since if I ever get cold, I have a fever for one day and the next day I'm fine.

Could it be somehow related to this abcess or would that be ridiculous?

**DeeCee112** · 03-31-2019, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by mac34

I didn't do anything about it, and while it seems to slowly get smaller it is still there.

Though one week ago, I got cold, I cough, have runny nose and fever stays with me everyday (kicks in from time to time). It's a bit unusual for me, since if I ever get cold, I have a fever for one day and the next day I'm fine.

Could it be somehow related to this abcess or would that be ridiculous?

Being a spoiled Canadian health care wise maybe this is an ignorant suggestion that would be super simple for me but dude.. Why don't you just go see your damn doctor? There's some smart dudes on here and all but this is your health and your only body you get and at the end of the day these are a bunch of guys that have never met you or even seen what it is your dealing with. They are trying their best but you can't substitute medical advice in person from a doctor that knows you. Again, I'm Canadian and have a phenomenal doctor...so maybe this is biased.

Tell him you were pinning b12 or some shit and get this shit checked out? You seem to have been all over the map with your TRT, not TRT, dosages, injection frequencies, and two unknown or unexamined lumps in your legs, no wonder your body is freaking out? At the end of the day remember this is not a game, you are injecting Exogenous possibly black market hormones deep into your muscle tissue.

Hope you get it sorted out man!

**mac34** · 03-31-2019, 11:55 AM

I was at a chiro to check it actually. He suggested I do an USG to examine if there aren't any hard chunks, such as a piece of metal or something from the needle. Otherwise he told it should be absorbed. i wasn't too happy with the visit. Paid some $50 for a 5 minute only to get generic info. I'm pretty sure you have it better in Canada than here in eastern Europe. Now I'm in a foreign country anyway and will be back home in 2 weeks.

About the fever, I think it's just the cold. The apartment I'm staying at has very windy windows in the room I sleep. It didn't help I had to work 10h per day on average for 7 days straight, despite the fever, and sleep about 5h because I didn't have time and I went everywhere around it like it was nothing. I just had a random thought maybe it has something to do with gear, but I think I might be overacting a little.

**fiddlesticks** · 04-01-2019, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by DeeCee112

Being a spoiled Canadian health care wise maybe this is an ignorant suggestion that would be super simple for me but dude.. Why don't you just go see your damn doctor? There's some smart dudes on here and all but this is your health and your only body you get and at the end of the day these are a bunch of guys that have never met you or even seen what it is your dealing with. They are trying their best but you can't substitute medical advice in person from a doctor that knows you. Again, I'm Canadian and have a phenomenal doctor...so maybe this is biased.

Tell him you were pinning b12 or some shit and get this shit checked out? You seem to have been all over the map with your TRT, not TRT, dosages, injection frequencies, and two unknown or unexamined lumps in your legs, no wonder your body is freaking out? At the end of the day remember this is not a game, you are injecting Exogenous possibly black market hormones deep into your muscle tissue.

Hope you get it sorted out man!

Blindly listening to a doctor is a very naive way to think. The misdiagnosed stuff I've seen is disgusting and makes me incredibly angry.

There is no reason to take antibiotics unless you hate your body. The lumps are absolutely normal and cause no harm. Just leave it be. People sure love turning a tiny non-issue into a crisis.

**DeeCee112** · 04-01-2019, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by fiddlesticks

Blindly listening to a doctor is a very naive way to think. The misdiagnosed stuff I've seen is disgusting and makes me incredibly angry.

There is no reason to take antibiotics unless you hate your body. The lumps are absolutely normal and cause no harm. Just leave it be. People sure love turning a tiny non-issue into a crisis.

Or... Just stop by your doc when you get home if they are still bugging you for a second opinion to NOT blindly follow and swallow antibiotics but instead to think about and consider or just help put your mind at ease as I actually suggested.

Either way goodluck and report back on how it turns out bro.

**fiddlesticks** · 04-01-2019, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by DeeCee112

Or... Just stop by your doc when you get home if they are still bugging you for a second opinion to NOT blindly follow and swallow antibiotics but instead to think about and consider or just help put your mind at ease as I actually suggested.

Either way goodluck and report back on how it turns out bro.

The problem in this scenario is taking antibiotics for no reason is not a no consequence thing to do but an extremely hazardous one. Not trying to be excessively negative but you should absolutely not put your mind at ease after taking antibiotics... the negatives of them are far worse than any non-infected abscess could ever be.

**DeeCee112** · 04-01-2019, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by fiddlesticks

The problem in this scenario is taking antibiotics for no reason is not a no consequence thing to do but an extremely hazardous one. Not trying to be excessively negative but you should absolutely not put your mind at ease after taking antibiotics... the negatives of them are far worse than any non-infected abscess could ever be.

Were in the same page dude I totally agree antibiotics are severely over prescribed these days, they wipe out gut bacteria and cause all the strains of antibiotic resistant viruses we are seeing.

**Rjr1983** · 04-01-2019, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by DeeCee112

Were in the same page dude I totally agree antibiotics are severely over prescribed these days, they wipe out gut bacteria and cause all the strains of antibiotic resistant viruses we are seeing.

Every virus is antibiotic resistant...

**Couchlockd** · 04-01-2019, 11:01 PM

You get cellulitis from an injection you all will be begging for antibiotics.

All this conspiracy theory bill crap is so over the top it sounds ridiculous.

There are plenty instances where antibiotics are a god send.

**fiddlesticks** · 04-02-2019, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

You get cellulitis from an injection you all will be begging for antibiotics.

All this conspiracy theory bill crap is so over the top it sounds ridiculous.

There are plenty instances where antibiotics are a god send.

I wish I could tell my grandfather with no immune system left that it was a conspiracy that the antibiotics he was wrongly given so many times fucked him over and contributed to his life being 247 agony.

Its absolutely incredible antibiotics are taken for things that dont warrant them. People take them for things completely unrelated to immunity and with a massive shocking surprise dont heal quicker compared to normal. Nice side benefit of fucking wrecking your natural immunity though.

**mac34** · 04-02-2019, 04:31 AM

It got somewhat worse, I think it could be just a flu. The thing was I ignored the issue completely, worked a lot, fever or not, and slept very little. Now the fever got worse, I'm feeling terrible and that is probably the only thing that can make me stay in bed and recover.

Should I miss a cypionate pin tomorrow or it doesn't matter? I don't want to mess with my trt routine again.

**fiddlesticks** · 04-02-2019, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by mac34

It got somewhat worse, I think it could be just a flu. The thing was I ignored the issue completely, worked a lot, fever or not, and slept very little. Now the fever got worse, I'm feeling terrible and that is probably the only thing that can make me stay in bed and recover.

Should I miss a cypionate pin tomorrow or it doesn't matter? I don't want to mess with my trt routine again.

That's a really tough spot to be in. My experience with the long ester PIPs is they are not noticable for day 1-2 , hurt on 3 to 4 and brutal from 5-7ish so it's right on schedule really. Extremely hard to say what to do trt wise.

There really is fuck all you can do to accelerate the pain going away because it's related to the test cyp physically being there which will be there for a while. Technically training the muscle will accelerate it but that is gonna probably hurt quite alot.

**DeeCee112** · 04-02-2019, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by mac34

It got somewhat worse, I think it could be just a flu. The thing was I ignored the issue completely, worked a lot, fever or not, and slept very little. Now the fever got worse, I'm feeling terrible and that is probably the only thing that can make me stay in bed and recover.

Should I miss a cypionate pin tomorrow or it doesn't matter? I don't want to mess with my trt routine again.

I would suggest not missing anymore injections if this is your TRT routine... Have you tried other sites besides quads?

**Couchlockd** · 04-02-2019, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by fiddlesticks

I wish I could tell my grandfather with no immune system left that it was a conspiracy that the antibiotics he was wrongly given so many times fucked him over and contributed to his life being 247 agony.

Its absolutely incredible antibiotics are taken for things that dont warrant them. People take them for things completely unrelated to immunity and with a massive shocking surprise dont heal quicker compared to normal. Nice side benefit of fucking wrecking your natural immunity though.

Your grandpa getting over prescribed antibiotics on his death bed and someone with an infection because if a botched shot of steroids aren't even the same thing and can't be compared.

So your saying if you knowingly have an infection 100% sure, don't take antibiotics and let it "go away on its own"?

**fiddlesticks** · 04-02-2019, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

Your grandpa getting over prescribed antibiotics on his death bed and someone with an infection because if a botched shot of steroids aren't even the same thing and can't be compared.

So your saying if you knowingly have an infection 100% sure, don't take antibiotics and let it "go away on its own"?

When the hell did I say on his deathbed? It's fucked him over for decades.

I've talked to quite a few people who have done this to say the least. Never have I heard or seen a single person get an actual dangerous infection. Now red lumps, pip, being in misery for a week that's very common but should be expected.

If somehow someone DID obtain an othetwise lethal infection sure take them. My point is it's ridiculously unlikely that is going to happen.

People LOVE turning an ember into a fucking forest fire. Nothing can be simple.

**mac34** · 04-02-2019, 05:06 PM

I'm feeling better now, yes rather definitely I will do the shot. I want to keep the routine for a month unaffected to see what T levels are.

I think there's some confusion in this thread, let me explain:
* the sterile abcesses I got one month ago
* One month later, one is still there, although it's getting smaller - I just hope the oil will be processed one day
* I never had any pain with the abcesses, it just that I had lumps in my quads, that all
* Now I got a flu (most likely) and I doubt it's related to the abcess in any way, but I was somewhat concerned hence I updated the thread. Now I think, nah, it's a flu, cough, runny nose - that couldn't be anything else.
* I don't pin quads anymore, now lateral and real delts. Also using a smaller needle. I like it much better

I also use another bottle than the one I got the abcess from.

Thank you for all your responses and support.

**fiddlesticks** · 04-02-2019, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by mac34

I'm feeling better now, yes rather definitely I will do the shot. I want to keep the routine for a month unaffected to see what T levels are.

I think there's some confusion in this thread, let me explain:
* the sterile abcesses I got one month ago
* One month later, one is still there, although it's getting smaller - I just hope the oil will be processed one day
* I never had any pain with the abcesses, it just that I had lumps in my quads, that all
* Now I got a flu (most likely) and I doubt it's related to the abcess in any way, but I was somewhat concerned hence I updated the thread. Now I think, nah, it's a flu, cough, runny nose - that couldn't be anything else.
* I don't pin quads anymore, now lateral and real delts. Also using a smaller needle. I like it much better

I also use another bottle than the one I got the abcess from.

Thank you for all your responses and support.

Sometimes they take very long to get rid of. Enth has lingered on me for over 3 weeks sometimes. What is concentration of the test?

Believe in your body because it's actually pretty good at doing stuff, that shit is on lockdown, promise.