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    Cruise help

    Gear Head, I'm a 55 year old male that has been blasting and cruising probably for far too long without really knowing that's what I was doing. Is there a need to do PCT and allow all my hormones to neutralize before starting 150 mg or Test E and 300 mg of Primo? Or will the cruise cycle allow my body to better get where it needs to be? Right now I am on 500 mg Test E and 300mg Tren E and 250mg of HCG 3 days a week. I was also taking 50mg of Anadrol the first 4 weeks. 6 weeks on this cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnd42697 View Post
    Gear Head, I'm a 55 year old male that has been blasting and cruising probably for far too long without really knowing that's what I was doing. Is there a need to do PCT and allow all my hormones to neutralize before starting 150 mg or Test E and 300 mg of Primo? Or will the cruise cycle allow my body to better get where it needs to be? Right now I am on 500 mg Test E and 300mg Tren E and 250mg of HCG 3 days a week. I was also taking 50mg of Anadrol the first 4 weeks. 6 weeks on this cycle.

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    Gear may better answer this question for you but I'll give you my version. We know that there is a period after a couple of months on a cycle where our bodies stop responding to the steroids the same way, and eventually plateau. It used to be said that the "receptors" become overstimulated and desensitized over time. You've probably heard of the myostatin inhibitor. It is a protein that is created by the body to basically stop the overproduction of skeletal muscle tissue. It is possible that the body is creating such proteins, hormones, and maybe sending other signals to slow the growth of muscle during a cycle, otherwise we would grow until we died. I say all that because I think that in order for you to get the best out of your next cycle, it might be a good idea to go back to a TRT level for a couple of months. It will also be healthy for you, especially as tren is a rough one from all accounts, and your cholesterol is probably jacked.

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    So are you saying 150mg to 200mg a week of Test E? I’m ok with that if it’s the best way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnd42697 View Post
    So are you saying 150mg to 200mg a week of Test E? I’m ok with that if it’s the best way to go.
    150mg of test a week
    300mg of primo a week

    is a very very solid cruise

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Everyone always talks cycles and blasts, and yeah thatís a lot of fun obviously. I love being on a fuck ton of gear, but obviously we have to slow down and maintain at some point or take breaks (except OBS, but heís not human).

    When it comes to cruising up until recently I was a 250mg/wk test kind of guy. Seems a lot of us go that way. And it kind of sucks. Then Iíve noticed a lot of guys (particularly the older guys) had some pretty intricate cruises, or HRT routines. At some point GearHeaded brought up that maybe the real thing to do if you can swing it is just run some permanent combo of low dose test/primo/deca forever, and occasionally blast some Tren /Mast when you need to look like something. So for the last 6 weeks or so Iíve been running 250mg of test and 400mg of primo, and I like it. A lot.

    Now the only issue is Iíve been off of nandrolone for 6 weeks and my joints, and in particular my shoulder feel like dog shit. So I want to incorporate deca back in. So Iím doing so at 250mg/week. I also added Tren in at 200mg/week because... Tren. And I might throw some Var on this... and I just realized Iím not really cruising anymore with a gram of gear a week in me. So Thatís cool, Iíll smack out the mini cycle for a
    minute, but at some point that will end...

    So what I really want to discuss here is what everyoneís optimal cruise/HRT compounds and doseages are.
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    250mg test e weekly. Keeping it simple as Iím new to this. Oh, and 30mg dbol preworkout which I think I should stop taking.

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    Naturally men produce what, 50 mgs of testosterone per week? Yet everyone seems to be injecting hundreds of mgs as a replacement therapy : D

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    ^ pretty much

    My natural test was in the mid 300’s when I was in my late 20’s before I even knew what working out or juice even was

    MD said it was normal

    I started working out & within a year got it pulled again, it was in the mid/high 400’s


    Now - I fee best at right about 1k total test - no ai

    Now I added dBol & ProV at 25mg of ea


    Shit, I feel better than I ever did


    I’m thinking of adding 100mg a week of tren e when I pull the dBol


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    Tren as trt - I just have to try that.

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    Most of members of this forum are insane imo. In a good way
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    Not really

    Just becoming more truthful, I suppose


    Talk to some semi/real pros that actually say what they’re on - it’ll make your head spin < in most cases

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    Not really

    Just becoming more truthful, I suppose


    Talk to some semi/real pros that actually say what they’re on - it’ll make your head spin < in most cases
    Just as there’s a “look”
    that gives AAS use away, There’s a look that gives Tren use away

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    one of the main purposes of coming off a blast and cruising is to down regulate your androgen and estrogen load. give your body a break from the constant elevation of these. so cruising on something like 500mg of test is not ideal (its adding lots of estrogen and androgen load). neither is cruising on test and then adding in Dbol .

    an ideal cruise to allow androgen levels and estrogen levels to down regulate and fall off a little bit while maintaining anabolic load is something like Primobolan or EQ.
    150mg test
    300mg primobolan
    is just about right for most of us.

    depending on your situation in your cruise, adding in secondary growth factors that are not androgenic or estrogenic can be of benefit .. like HGH, Mk677, IGF, Clen , T4, insulin . you can continue to grow well and add muscle with these things even though your 'off cycle'.. of course yes while on cycle when your androgen and estrogen load are both very high your going to grow better as well as get the cosmetic effects.

    in regards to cruising on deca . yes its a pure anabolic, its going to help you hold onto and build muscle without providing androgen load or converting to a ton of estrogen . but its a progestin , so its going to act on progestin receptors and keep you constantly sensitized to estrogen. thats not good nor bad per se , its person dependent. if your sensitive to estrogen and progestin/prolactin, then it may not be a good idea to cruise on deca year round. if your not sensitive and you get good joint support and anti inflammation benefits from it , then great.
    but in general, cruising on 19 nors year round is not as ideal as cruising on Primo


    another thought .. theres a difference between a 'cruise' and a 'bridge' . a cruise is meant to be 'off cycle' and give your body a break from the androgen load for awhile, where as a 'bridge' is a transition phase from one blast to the next blast.
    so in a bridge, lets say you been bulking for 12 weeks and your insulin sensitivity is now low , you need to mini cut for 6 weeks. well in that mini cut you may want to bridge with some low dose cutting compounds before you next bulking blast.
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    200mg test
    400mg primo
    30mg var a day
    60mcg clen

    thats basically a small cycle. its just holding you over for the mini cut 'bridge' .. where as with a cruise you want to run low doses and give your body as much as a break as possible . imo nothing gives your body the most amount of break, yet while still maintaining great level of anabolism, then Primo
    So, if I wanted to use Eq instead of Primo, what dose do you recommend? (For a cruise with Test only)

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    I’d say 300-500mg of EQ would be fine for a cruise

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    I've been on 125mg to 250mg of test cyp EOW since I was 30yo, I'm 42 now. I occasionally threw in other products to get that extra lean look or bulk up little. Endocrinologist prescribed me test when I was 30 and she explained men need this hormone or your body breaks down as we age. This is a doctor dose I'm on and it's been great. I always feel normal and good about myself.

    Now I started 5IU hgh every day which I'll take out 2 years at least. I've also read you can run primo long term in medical doses. So April 1st I'll start 200mg primo a week and maybe get to a point I back off to 100mg a week so I can go even longer. Of course I'll monitor myself and if something does not feel right I'll get looked at but I get yearly physical which helps to monitor myself.

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    New Cruise

    Weekly :

    450mg Primo
    150mg Test
    100mg Deca Durabolin
    1500IU HCG

    Daily :

    3IU HGH
    20mg Cardarine
    25mg MK677
    20mg Anavar
    100mcg T4
    50mg DHEA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    New Cruise

    Weekly :

    450mg Primo
    150mg Test
    100mg Deca Durabolin
    1500IU HCG

    Daily :

    3IU HGH
    20mg Cardarine
    25mg MK677
    20mg Anavar
    100mcg T4
    50mg DHEA

    Why so high on the HCG?
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    I really need to step my cruise game up.

    Primo is like having another monthly vehicle payment tho lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    New Cruise

    Weekly :

    450mg Primo
    150mg Test
    100mg Deca Durabolin
    1500IU HCG

    Daily :

    3IU HGH
    20mg Cardarine
    25mg MK677
    20mg Anavar
    100mcg T4
    50mg DHEA
    do you think there is any felt benefits or effects from the DHEA with such other exogenous hormones in the mix ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    do you think there is any felt benefits or effects from the DHEA with such other exogenous hormones in the mix ?
    I can't say I've noticed a difference. I do know it was part of Dr Crisler protocol for his HRT patients and my endo highly recommends it. For the $10/month I spend on the DHEA, Id rather invest in it than not have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Why so high on the HCG?
    A typo. Should be 1050 not 1500. I do 3x350IU. I have no patience for drawing fractions in the syringe so it makes it easier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krb367 View Post
    I really need to step my cruise game up.

    Primo is like having another monthly vehicle payment tho lol
    You don't want to see the price then of my scripted GH, Deca or Anavar then
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    195mg test e per week does me well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    You don't want to see the price then of my scripted GH, Deca or Anavar then
    A couple days ago I actually plugged in oxandrolone into GoodRx.. 60 @ 10mg $300! Fuuuuuck

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    160mg Test
    160mg Deca
    600I.U. HCG

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    25 mg DHEA
    250 mg DIM
    500mg Niacin
    1200mg NAC

    I would like to add primo @ 200mg a week around September.
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