Merc..

Here's one i hav't seen ask'd,, okay let's say someone cruises/Hrt..... He is comming off a mild test cycle(750mgs- 1gram) should he use a AI while going into crusie/Hrt mode,, or should he just wait out for the body's negative loop hole to take effect?

I did do 8 weeks of PCT, I believe it was Anthony's from the site here. Felt like it was working, however it may have been psychological. Last cycle was Test Suspension and Winni which ended early October. I believe it was 1cc of each every other day, two 10cc of each. I've been on and off (more on) for the past 5 - 6 years and used Test E, Deca once about 4 years ago, Test Cyp, Test Susp, Winni, about 300 iu of HGH about 2 years ago at 3iu a day, Prop, Sustanon, and Fina a couple times. I tried to do even on / off times but often didn't. Occasionally did back to back cycles of 6 to 10 weeks without any breaks, much less PCT. This past PCT was the best I've done. Only taken HCG / Nolva once in the past. I'd be willing to bet my nats have been low for at least a couple years through cycles. I've definately not had the libido I did before (not even when I was on) and it's gotten worse over the last 4-6 months. That's pretty much it.


Any advice or referrals you have would be appreciated... so tired of feeling like crap and the lab results just kicked me in my (apparently inactive) nuts. - which BTW did return back to normal or near-normal size during and post PCT but what they are producing is almost clear, very liquidy sperm I believe that means my sperm count is probably nada

-D


HMMM

Did you use the hcg at 500 ius everyday for 8 wks ? That could be the problem as to why you are further suppressed.. I think HCG is great for pct ( when combined with nolva and aromasin).. But hcg is suppressive .. HCG blockes the conversion of 17 OHP to testosterone .. Nolva helps to stop this from occurring .. It does make it a good choice for pct when used in conjunction with nolva .. Anthony Roberts only advises using the HCG for 3 weeks though..

Check this study out about HCG and nolva ..

Tamoxifen suppresses gonadotropin-induced 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone accumulation in normal men.Smals AG, Pieters GF, Drayer JI, Boers GH, Benraad TJ, Kloppenborg PW.
Intramuscular administration of 1500 IU hCG daily for 3 days induced a transient accumulation of 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone (17 OHP) relative to testosterone (T) in normal men, reaching its maximum 24 h after the first injection (17 OHP to T ratio, 1.7 +/- 0.3 times baseline; P < 0.01). Simultaneous administration of hCG and the estrogen antagonist tamoxifen (20 mg twice daily) almost completely abolished the hCG-induced steroidogenic block localized between 17 OHP and T (17 OHP to T ratio at 24 h, 1.1 +/- 0.1 times baseline; P < 0.01 vs. hCG alone). These data indirectly suggest that, in man, the hCG-induced steroidogenic lesion might be mediated through its estrogen-stimulating effect.

PMID: 7419679 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE



When you use HCG for extended periods of time it can cause down regulation of leydig cells .. You can do a search ( on the board or google ), on HCG and downregulation of leydig cells and it will pull alot of info on it .. You said your sex drive was down before and you ran cycles back to back without using a pct ... But I think using the HCG for 8 weeks could be causing the problems you are having now..

Have you considered running another pct maybe using a SERM and an AI with a OTC test booster ??

You said you cant pm .. You should be able is your pm not working for you ?

bump on my question,, just in case you missed it,, cuz i know i mmissed it when i came back looking for it,,,, so tiny with such a long post right under it

Hey Merc, I spoke to my doctor that I go to for my prescriptions and based on my levels he recommended 200mg of test cyp a week for 10 weeks followed by a slightly overlapping HCG with Clomid and Nolva. Does this sound right? I don't understand how giving my body more test will stimulate it to produce more.... if anything I would think it would suppress the LITTLE that it is making right now. After reading for a few hours I am thinking maybe the HCG I finished in the last PCT may have kicked my testes back on but when the Nolvadex stopped a couple weeks later they went dormant again (?) I'm going to keep reading and see if I can learn a little more before I make a decision. I also have one really bad eye and one that's almost 20/20 but I use a contact recently. I don't think I want to mess with Clomid. I like being able to see

hey merc just to let you know i will be having my last shot of sus 250 this friday coming
how are we going to change my training bro/what are the changes im going to need to make ?

Hi All ,

I have been very busy these past few days and haven't had much time to post.. I will be answering blog questions A.S.A.P

Sorry for the delay on responses....


Merc.

Here's one i hav't seen ask'd,, okay let's say someone cruises/Hrt..... He is comming off a mild test cycle(750mgs- 1gram) should he use a AI while going into crusie/Hrt mode,, or should he just wait out for the body's negative loop hole to take effect?

Cowboy Chris

When someone is on HRT they dont require pct... So it is cruise ... Than bump up the dose to do a cycle ... Than go back to cruising .. No need for pct if you are on HRT....



Hey Merc, I spoke to my doctor that I go to for my prescriptions and based on my levels he recommended 200mg of test cyp a week for 10 weeks followed by a slightly overlapping HCG with Clomid and Nolva. Does this sound right? I don't understand how giving my body more test will stimulate it to produce more.... if anything I would think it would suppress the LITTLE that it is making right now. After reading for a few hours I am thinking maybe the HCG I finished in the last PCT may have kicked my testes back on but when the Nolvadex stopped a couple weeks later they went dormant again (?) I'm going to keep reading and see if I can learn a little more before I make a decision. I also have one really bad eye and one that's almost 20/20 but I use a contact recently. I don't think I want to mess with Clomid. I like being able to see

Hey Danabolic.. I know you were going to make a appt with a endocrinologist .. How did that work out ??


hey merc just to let you know i will be having my last shot of sus 250 this friday coming
how are we going to change my training bro/what are the changes im going to need to make ?


Mr Newbreed

Cool .. We will change your training routine a little ... I am busy right now but I will get back to you really soon with the changes...

thanks bro,i had my last shot today

hey bro,my cyle has been over for 2 days now,should i stick with the 3 day split training programme for a while longer or are we going to change it now,il be training in the morning so im curious to know what i need to be doing
thanks merc

also bro can you tell me what kind of changes i will need to make to my diet and cardio

Check your pm's Mr Newbreed..



Merc.

hey merc,i started my pct yesterday-what are we going to be changing in my training

I have been very busy working on the mag ( Muscle Evolution) .. Sorry for the delay in my blog responses..

Check your pm's Mr Newbreed ...

Hi Merc.I have a friend who is in his 10th week of deca(400wk)+test(600wk) cycle and has one week left and then pct.He is thinking of extending the cycle and go for a cutting cycle(with winstrol,clen,t3)...the reason is that he will leave for a month for business and won't have time to do pct and then cut.My question is if going from bulking to cutting without pct is safe,and if so should he change his pct which is nolva,clomid and arimidex?
Tnx for ur time

Hi Merc.I have a friend who is in his 10th week of deca(400wk)+test(600wk) cycle and has one week left and then pct.He is thinking of extending the cycle and go for a cutting cycle(with winstrol,clen,t3)...the reason is that he will leave for a month for business and won't have time to do pct and then cut.My question is if going from bulking to cutting without pct is safe,and if so should he change his pct which is nolva,clomid and arimidex?
Tnx for ur time

Sorry for the delay in my blog response . We have a lot going on with the new mag we are producing ( Muscle Evolution USA)...

It is not a god idea to skip pct... It would be better if he did a pct and let his body recover before he did a cutting cycle...

Its ok Merc i understand...
Thats what i am saying to him but he doest seem to understand!He is gonna go for it anyway...he already bought the stuff!I hope he doesn't loose all his gains or damage his health...

Yea Garnelek he should listen to you as you are only looking out for him ...

hey merc hows things bro ?
I know the general rule is x amount of time on = x amount of time off,me and my buddie have just finished a 12 week cycle and are just over 2 weeks into our pct..
now im waiting till july before starting my next cycle but he is talking about going back on the juice in april/may at the latest can you offer me some words of wisdom to offer him on the subject...THE PROS/CONS of going back on sooner and why some people do and some people dont jump straight back on

Well he started sooner, just after his last deca shot...so thats almost one week in...it probably sounds bad but i kinda look forward to see him saying i was wright and he is stupid and he fvcked up!LOL no i wish everything goes well...ooups i had my fingers crossed....

Hi everyone .. I have been swamped with the new mag we have coming out .. I will be answering all blog questions A.S.A.P


Merc.