Chuck Liddell vs Quinton Jackson

[Hunter]

Come on man , I have a vivid amagination, not a pretty sight. How about we make a little wager, the winner gets to pick the losers custom title and it stays for 3 weeks!

I will take that bet!

[odix]

yes, a vivid imagination is right, imagining chuck winning is sid barrett status, i'll take that bet with you ;p

[godkilla]

i hope rampage owns liddel just so i can see all the ufc tuf fans cry

[testisbest]

I hope Rampage gets knocked out just so I can see all the Pride fan boys cry again. You know I've always liked Rampage alot, he was my favorite MW in Pride but all of this internet bull$hit has made me want to see Chuck win. Rampage beat Chuck 4 years ago in Chuck's 2nd Pride fight while he was injured. I guess if Wandy and Dan fight again it'll be the same outcome as last time. One by one these Pride fighters have been getting exposed so that leads me to believe that most were over rated IMO. I don't consider Quinton a Pride fighter BTW, I know he's had more cage fights than in the ring. And I didn't just start watching MMA 2 years ago.

[BG]

yes, a vivid imagination is right, imagining chuck winning is sid barrett status, i'll take that bet with you ;p

Alright, lmk what you want my title to be and Ill talk to the Admins. .

[Hunter]

I hope Rampage gets knocked out just so I can see all the Pride fan boys cry again. You know I've always liked Rampage alot, he was my favorite MW in Pride but all of this internet bull$hit has made me want to see Chuck win. Rampage beat Chuck 4 years ago in Chuck's 2nd Pride fight while he was injured. I guess if Wandy and Dan fight again it'll be the same outcome as last time. One by one these Pride fighters have been getting exposed so that leads me to believe that most were over rated IMO. I don't consider Quinton a Pride fighter BTW, I know he's had more cage fights than in the ring. And I didn't just start watching MMA 2 years ago.

People have off days at work. Why turn this into a pride vs ufc thing, maybe people believe Rampage is the better fighter. I for one believe he is not becouse he fought for pride but becouse this is a terrible match up for Chuck just like wandy is a terrible match up Rampage and Arona is a terrible match up for wandy. Styles make fights.

[Quil]

The whole Pride vs. UFC thing has gotten real old, real fast.

[godkilla]

Chuck's 2nd Pride fight while he was injured.

you got any proof of that? i hear people bring it up all the time, but i have seen nothing to back it up.

[QUOTE=testisbest]I guess if Wandy and Dan fight again it'll be the same outcome as last time.QUOTE]

horrible comparison.......wandy beat dan back in 2000. and if chuck had half the balls wandy does, he'd have a few more losses under his belt. win or lose wandy brings the fight everytime, and to everyone. either way you dice it, chucks days are almost done. he is getting old and if page doesnt take his belt, shogun or wandy will sooner or later. nevermind the beating he would take if he went up to hw.......chuck is a great fighter, i just think there is better.

[orton4]

yeah chuck is gettin past his time, rampage, wand, and shogun arent afraid to trade with him... the past few ppl he fought in ufc were afraid to trade with him... rampage wins this fight... i wanna see shogun beat liddells ass

[testisbest]

[QUOTE=godkilla]you got any proof of that? i hear people bring it up all the time, but i have seen nothing to back it up.

I guess if Wandy and Dan fight again it'll be the same outcome as last time.QUOTE]

horrible comparison.......wandy beat dan back in 2000. and if chuck had half the balls wandy does, he'd have a few more losses under his belt. win or lose wandy brings the fight everytime, and to everyone. either way you dice it, chucks days are almost done. he is getting old and if page doesnt take his belt, shogun or wandy will sooner or later. nevermind the beating he would take if he went up to hw.......chuck is a great fighter, i just think there is better.

Who has Wandy fought and beat besides Quinton? He was protected by Pride the same way they were trying to protect Gomi IMO. The truth is any of the top 5 or 6 at 205 can be beaten. This isn't a UFC vs Pride post, neither was my other post. I just don't believe that Arona, Wandy, Nog, or Shogun are as good as people like to believe. Shogun hasn't beaten anybody except Rampage. And when Rampage fought Wandy both times he had a horrible game plan or just didn't execute a decent game plan. Alot of wrestlers can and will beat Wandy IMO just like Tito did. You'd be stupid to stand and trade with him but everybody he fought did just that.
I don't think Chuck can win a 205 GP right now, I'm not stupid but I won't take away the fact that he's had a good reign as champ and beaten everybody that he should have beaten. Can't wait for this fight.

[odix]

wanderlei or whatever i think would lay chuck out, testisbest i just don't think you see the whole package on a fighter, those fighters your talking about are all WELL rounded as chuck or tito leans to one style of a fight. When that right style comes along that can counteract it perfectly thats when you see a loss. As for anyone can lose at anytime, of course, its a sport, and the top 10 fighters in the world could trade wins daily. Luck is also a factor many people don't want to believe, on any given day, it coud change the outcome ;p

[odix]

big guns.. it shall say..im on odix's nuts. cool ?

[Hunter]

[QUOTE=testisbest]

you got any proof of that? i hear people bring it up all the time, but i have seen nothing to back it up.



Who has Wandy fought and beat besides Quinton? He was protected by Pride the same way they were trying to protect Gomi IMO. The truth is any of the top 5 or 6 at 205 can be beaten. This isn't a UFC vs Pride post, neither was my other post. I just don't believe that Arona, Wandy, Nog, or Shogun are as good as people like to believe. Shogun hasn't beaten anybody except Rampage. And when Rampage fought Wandy both times he had a horrible game plan or just didn't execute a decent game plan. Alot of wrestlers can and will beat Wandy IMO just like Tito did. You'd be stupid to stand and trade with him but everybody he fought did just that.
I don't think Chuck can win a 205 GP right now, I'm not stupid but I won't take away the fact that he's had a good reign as champ and beaten everybody that he should have beaten. Can't wait for this fight.

Wandys list of victims
MVA
Guy Mezger
Henderson
Sak x 3
Yoshida x 2
Nakamura
Rampage x 2
Yuki Kondo
Arona

He beat crocop in the fight that was considered a draw (special rules)
He has stood with two k-1 level strikers.

Shoguns list of victims
Gono
Rampage
Lil Nog
Overeem x 2
Arona
nakumara
Randleman

There is no doubt Liddell has fought good fighters but the difference shogun and Silva have faced alot more strikers. To say they have beat no one is a very ignorant comment.

[odix]

no wait it will say. if i had half a brain i wouldnt need real big guns ... or... my mind is the size of my left nut while on test.

[testisbest]

[QUOTE=mn_fighter]

Wandys list of victims
MVA
Guy Mezger
Henderson
Sak x 3
Yoshida x 2
Nakamura
Rampage x 2
Yuki Kondo
Arona

He beat crocop in the fight that was considered a draw (special rules)
He has stood with two k-1 level strikers.

Shoguns list of victims
Gono
Rampage
Lil Nog
Overeem x 2
Arona
nakumara
Randleman

There is no doubt Liddell has fought good fighters but the difference shogun and Silva have faced alot more strikers. To say they have beat no one is a very ignorant comment.

I know that the UFC LHW is a joke but half of those guys on the "victim" list are not any better IMO. In today's MMA there won't be anymore dominant champs too often. Chuck is pretty good, I think Shogun is better but if they fight 5 times Chuck will take one or two. I have Chuck #1 because he's the only one that has a belt then Shogun at a close 2nd. The rest are subpar. I won't even say anything about Dan because he caught Wandy on an off night but I think the axe murder is past his prime (he's taken too many hands to the head). The rest of the top 5 or 6 need to fight each other this year and next so we don't have to argue about this anymore.

Off topic: Anybody hear if Pride will start testing for steroids in Japan now that they are owned by Zuffa?

[gigem]

chucks gona beat his fvckn bitch ass

[godkilla]

[QUOTE=testisbest]

I know that the UFC LHW is a joke but half of those guys on the "victim" list are not any better IMO. In today's MMA there won't be anymore dominant champs too often. Chuck is pretty good, I think Shogun is better but if they fight 5 times Chuck will take one or two. I have Chuck #1 because he's the only one that has a belt then Shogun at a close 2nd. The rest are subpar. I won't even say anything about Dan because he caught Wandy on an off night but I think the axe murder is past his prime (he's taken too many hands to the head). The rest of the top 5 or 6 need to fight each other this year and next so we don't have to argue about this anymore.

Off topic: Anybody hear if Pride will start testing for steroids in Japan now that they are owned by Zuffa?

i thought they always did.......

[testisbest]

[QUOTE=godkilla]

i thought they always did.......

They have never tested for AAS. They MIGHT have tested for narcs. but I can't confirm that.

[Hunter]

[QUOTE=testisbest]

They have never tested for AAS. They MIGHT have tested for narcs. but I can't confirm that.

They do to test for aas only there are just no penalties for juicing. Silva has been caught I know but there are no penalties. Now lets look at chucks list of victims

Couture x 2
Babalu x 2
bustamante
belfort
Randleman
monson
mezger
Suleov
Ortiz x 2
White
Horn
Pele
Overeem

Chucks most dangerous victims. The guys in bold are natural 185 pounders. the guys who are underlined are all grapplers but natural 205's and the guys in Italics are actually 205 pound strikers. Silva fought two k1 level strikers chuck has yet to fight anyone close to k1 level striking. Vandy has fought the best chuck talks about it. Couture(my fav) has always fought the best or wanted to, chuck just talks about it. Look at chucks list, he has made a career of making grapplers(very good grapplers) look bad, he cant deal with excellent strikers.

[Panzerfaust]

you got any proof of that? i hear people bring it up all the time, but i have seen nothing to back it up.



Who has Wandy fought and beat besides Quinton? He was protected by Pride the same way they were trying to protect Gomi IMO. The truth is any of the top 5 or 6 at 205 can be beaten. This isn't a UFC vs Pride post, neither was my other post. I just don't believe that Arona, Wandy, Nog, or Shogun are as good as people like to believe. Shogun hasn't beaten anybody except Rampage. And when Rampage fought Wandy both times he had a horrible game plan or just didn't execute a decent game plan. Alot of wrestlers can and will beat Wandy IMO just like Tito did. You'd be stupid to stand and trade with him but everybody he fought did just that.
I don't think Chuck can win a 205 GP right now, I'm not stupid but I won't take away the fact that he's had a good reign as champ and beaten everybody that he should have beaten. Can't wait for this fight.

You have absolutey no credibility after this post. Seriously, I think you should stop posting here. This place is not for you. Sherdog is better for you.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but goddamn you are ridiculous with this BS you spout.

At the very least, explain why you think this way...bottom line is you cannot because its all BS.

[testisbest]

You have absolutey no credibility after this post. Seriously, I think you should stop posting here. This place is not for you. Sherdog is better for you.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but goddamn you are ridiculous with this BS you spout.

At the very least, explain why you think this way...bottom line is you cannot because its all BS.

You done crying yet? You are clearly a Pride fan so whatever I say about one of your man crushes will bother you so I'm sorry. Grow a set and be a man before you try to insult me over the internet.
Will my posts be better if I tell you that everybody that fights for pride is the best on the planet? I think that the pride heavy and middle weight classes are over rated. What's wrong with me thinking that?

[Hunter]

You done crying yet? You are clearly a Pride fan so whatever I say about one of your man crushes will bother you so I'm sorry. Grow a set and be a man before you try to insult me over the internet.
Will my posts be better if I tell you that everybody that fights for pride is the best on the planet? I think that the pride heavy and middle weight classes are over rated. What's wrong with me thinking that?

Nothing is wrong but you need facts or something to back that statement/belief up. murilo hates and I mean hates Arona yet he will tell you that he is a great fighter(he will throw the boring in) but still he looks at things objectively, as objectively as any fan can. You are obviously just looking to defend the ufc at all costs. I will tell you right now pride has some shit fighters and some overrated fighters but so does the ufc. Learn to be open minded.

[BG]

[QUOTE=mn_fighter]

They do to test for aas only there are just no penalties for juicing. Silva has been caught I know but there are no penalties. Now lets look at chucks list of victims

Couture x 2
Babalu x 2
bustamante
belfort
Randleman
monson
mezger
Suleov
Ortiz x 2
White
Horn
Pele
Overeem

Chucks most dangerous victims. The guys in bold are natural 185 pounders. the guys who are underlined are all grapplers but natural 205's and the guys in Italics are actually 205 pound strikers. Silva fought two k1 level strikers chuck has yet to fight anyone close to k1 level striking. Vandy has fought the best chuck talks about it. Couture(my fav) has always fought the best or wanted to, chuck just talks about it. Look at chucks list, he has made a career of making grapplers(very good grapplers) look bad, he cant deal with excellent strikers.

What strikers have beaten him though?

[Quil]

Saying that both Wand and Shogun haven't beaten anyone good except for Rampage is a bit out there, Test. That's almost like saying the only decent fighter Fedor has beaten is CC.

[Panzerfaust]

Nothing is wrong but you need facts or something to back that statement/belief up. murilo hates and I mean hates Arona yet he will tell you that he is a great fighter(he will throw the boring in) but still he looks at things objectively, as objectively as any fan can. You are obviously just looking to defend the ufc at all costs. I will tell you right now pride has some shit fighters and some overrated fighters but so does the ufc. Learn to be open minded.

I agree, i have always and i mean always been an equal opportunity hater. And yes, i generally state my reasoning for such opinion.

[Hunter]

What strikers have beaten him though?

You raise a good point he fought overeem, metzer, belfort all three very good strikers and he knoocked two of them out. I would recommend you go look at his fight with metzger. Metzger made chuck look real real bad, chuck then hit him and knocked him out, but up to the knock out he made chuck look real bad. Overeem had chuck shooting on him before he knocked him out. Belfort went toe to toe with him and tried to steal the final round by blindly training with chuck and got put on his ass. Many people feel that Busta was robbed in the fight(i cant say never seen it). Both pele and sueluv are very good strikers and considerably smaller then chuck and they went the distance with him vernon white(b level fighter) even did alright against chuck. I mean when you fight three strikers who are natural 205 and against two of them you dont look very good, I am going to have doubts when you fight another striker. The biggest difference between metzger and overeem compared to Quinton is there chin. Metzger great fighter glass chin, overeem good fighter average chin. Quinton great fighter great chin. Now I am not pride fan ufc fan strikeforce fan. I am simply an mma fan. I dont hate chuck in fact I would give him a top 3 spot in the rankings. I simply have been watching for a long time and know what chuck does best and that is make grapplers look very very bad most of the time. Am I saying chuck cant strike or knock out any 205 pound fighter out? No, I am saying traditionally he has struggled with strikers and ended up relying 100% on his knock out power and chin.

[Panzerfaust]

Saying that both Wand and Shogun haven't beaten anyone good except for Rampage is a bit out there, Test. That's almost like saying the only decent fighter Fedor has beaten is CC.

Its also like saying I only date fat chicks.

oops wrong forum....

[Panzerfaust]

You raise a good point he fought overeem, metzer, belfort all three very good strikers and he knoocked two of them out. I would recommend you go look at his fight with metzger. Metzger made chuck look real real bad, chuck then hit him and knocked him out, but up to the knock out he made chuck look real bad. Overeem had chuck shooting on him before he knocked him out. Belfort went toe to toe with him and tried to steal the final round by blindly training with chuck and got put on his ass. Many people feel that Busta was robbed in the fight(i cant say never seen it). Both pele and sueluv are very good strikers and considerably smaller then chuck and they went the distance with him vernon white(b level fighter) even did alright against chuck. I mean when you fight three strikers who are natural 205 and against two of them you dont look very good, I am going to have doubts when you fight another striker. The biggest difference between metzger and overeem compared to Quinton is there chin. Metzger great fighter glass chin, overeem good fighter average chin. Quinton great fighter great chin. Now I am not pride fan ufc fan strikeforce fan. I am simply an mma fan. I dont hate chuck in fact I would give him a top 3 spot in the rankings. I simply have been watching for a long time and no what chuck does best and that is make grapplers look very very bad most of the time. Am I saying chuck cant strike or knock out any 205 pound fighter out? No, I am saying traditionally he has struggled with strikers and ended up relying 100% on his knock out power and chin.

You definately should catch the Busta vs Liddell fight, Chuck lost flat out and Busta was robbed. Dana even to this day feels the same.

Now with Vitor, I will give him some slack, he took that fight with Chuck on 1-2 weeks notice and did well, got Chuck down a few times but Chuck grabbed the fence and pulled himself up.

That fight took place at UFC 37.5 (yes they had a .5 show). Like you said, Vitor opened up but was sloppy about it and Chuck caught him and put him on his butt although Vitor was not hurt at all.

[Hunter]

Its also like saying I only date fat chicks.

oops wrong forum....

I like dating fat chicks cause when your cutting weight its easy becouse they just eat for you and secondly fat girls give better head becouse they are hungry.

[rar1015]

Nothing is wrong but you need facts or something to back that statement/belief up. murilo hates and I mean hates Arona yet he will tell you that he is a great fighter(he will throw the boring in) but still he looks at things objectively, as objectively as any fan can. You are obviously just looking to defend the ufc at all costs. I will tell you right now pride has some shit fighters and some overrated fighters but so does the ufc. Learn to be open minded.

I think there are a lot of other people that need to be open minded about this shit.

[Hunter]

You definately should catch the Busta vs Liddell fight, Chuck lost flat out and Busta was robbed. Dana even to this day feels the same.

Now with Vitor, I will give him some slack, he took that fight with Chuck on 1-2 weeks notice and did well, got Chuck down a few times but Chuck grabbed the fence and pulled himself up.

That fight took place at UFC 37.5 (yes they had a .5 show). Like you said, Vitor opened up but was sloppy about it and Chuck caught him and put him on his butt although Vitor was not hurt at all.

busta has been robbed many times and is one of my fav fighters. Hendo I like but he did not win his fight with Busta and now for sure I believe he was robbed against liddell. Suelov was greased up like a f*cking pig in the busta fight. I still believe he could be the 183 pound champion. WAR BUSTA.

[Hunter]

I think there are a lot of other people that need to be open minded about this shit.

Hey, f*ck you and the ufc....sorry that was the pride nuthugger coming out. UGGH Saku Sakuraba who? Lets talk about Liddell...ohhh sorry that was the ufc nuthugger coming out

[Panzerfaust]

Lets spice up this thread:

[Panzerfaust]

LMAO @ Rampage smoking a cigarette at the wei***n last time.

[testisbest]

I'm not saying that I like one org better than the other. If you read my posts I said that I didn't think Chuck could win a 205 grand prix. But I do firmly believe that the pride MW class is over rated. A nobody that couldn't make it in the states went over there and walked through 2 of Prides top 5 MW with ease (Soko). I think Wandy in his prime beats Chuck 5 out of 5. I'm just not as impressed with that class in that org as ya'll are until I see some matches between pride and ufc. If Diaz can beat Gomi and Gonzaga can beat CroCop what makes you think somebody from UFC's top 5 LHW's can't compete with Pride's?

[Panzerfaust]

I'm not saying that I like one org better than the other. If you read my posts I said that I didn't think Chuck could win a 205 grand prix. But I do firmly believe that the pride MW class is over rated. A nobody that couldn't make it in the states went over there and walked through 2 of Prides top 5 MW with ease (Soko). I think Wandy in his prime beats Chuck 5 out of 5. I'm just not as impressed with that class in that org as ya'll are until I see some matches between pride and ufc. If Diaz can beat Gomi and Gonzaga can beat CroCop what makes you think somebody from UFC's top 5 LHW's can't compete with Pride's?

So easy to say, you make it sound like Rogerio and Arona suck, they are top 205lbers...wow they lost a fight...ooohhhh ahhhhhh

What i want to know is, do you honestly believe Soko would win rematches?

Rogerio just got caught, it happens. Arona while being the biggest excuse making mofo in the game, i will defend him this time. He was sick with "Dengue" and you could tell he was not 100%. Hos shot on Soko was seriously weak for him, i mean for gods sake he shot on Henderson and they bounced off the ropes and damn near landed on the other side of the ring.

[BG]

big guns.. it shall say..im on odix's nuts. cool ?

Ya they should go for that, how about Odix's nuthugger? Or Huggin Odix's nuts.

[testisbest]

So easy to say, you make it sound like Rogerio and Arona suck, they are top 205lbers...wow they lost a fight...ooohhhh ahhhhhh

What i want to know is, do you honestly believe Soko would win rematches?

Rogerio just got caught, it happens. Arona while being the biggest excuse making mofo in the game, i will defend him this time. He was sick with "Dengue" and you could tell he was not 100%. Hos shot on Soko was seriously weak for him, i mean for gods sake he shot on Henderson and they bounced off the ropes and damn near landed on the other side of the ring.

Read what I posted. I clearly said that they were in Pride's top 5 MW. I don't know if Soko would win rematches, just like I don't know if Gonzaga would beat Cro Cop again. Don't make excuses for Arona not being 100% because Chuck wasn't 100% against Rampage but you don't give him a chance to win the rematch.

[Hunter]

Read what I posted. I clearly said that they were in Pride's top 5 MW. I don't know if Soko would win rematches, just like I don't know if Gonzaga would beat Cro Cop again. Don't make excuses for Arona not being 100% because Chuck wasn't 100% against Rampage but you don't give him a chance to win the rematch.

First of all chucks came from chucks camp he was injured there was no official injury report i.e like penn and his ribs during the matt hughes rematch. Now Arona pulled out of adcc becouse of how bad the dengue was and it was also documented by sherdog. its not an excuse, Chuck has no proof he was injured and why was there no injury report.

[rar1015]

Hey, f*ck you and the ufc....sorry that was the pride nuthugger coming out. UGGH Saku Sakuraba who? Lets talk about Liddell...ohhh sorry that was the ufc nuthugger coming out

You can call me a UFC nuthugger all you want pal. I havent sat here saying a damn thing about how "awesome" the tuf show is or how much better the UFC is than pride. I'm not going to sit here and get into a stupid ass pissing match with people i dont even know nor care to ever meet about something so stupid.