Too Much Protein=Bad

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Muscle is made up of 20% protein, the rest is water and minerals, lactic acid, urea and high-energy phosphates.

The max grams of protein is 1g per bodyweight. Its suppose to be around .8g's, but max being at 1g. Meaning if you weigh 175, take in max, 175g's protein.

The extra protein results in an increase in the formation and excretion of the waste product "urea"; increases your fluid requirments; and places a considerable load on the liver and kidneys.

You should avoid protein supplements that provide excessive amounts of protein or selected amino acids. Although heavily advertised, very high protein intakes from supplements are NOT needed to build muscle. This can be very expensive, dangerous to your health, and quite unnecessary. A regular balanced diet can meet your protein needs very effectively.

Hard work and a PROPER diet build muscle!

To gain muscle, you should be eating foods that give you adequate cals and nutrients, allowing you to workout even harder.

[perfectbeast2001]

"The max grams of protein is 1g per bodyweight. Its suppose to be around .8g's, but max being at 1g. Meaning if you weigh 175, take in max, 175g's protein."

Says who? As far as I am aware this is the gov reccomendation based on a normal healthy individual. The gov also reccomends 500mg of vit C a day and no AS. They have no clue about BB or it's dietry needs.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Its health reasons.

As stated above, excess protein is not good.

Also, excess protein turns into fat.

What happens to the protein:

It is broken down into building blocks known as peptides.

Then, it is further broken down and it becomes amino acids.

The amino acids are absorbed through the small intestine's lining and enter the blood stream.

From here, some of the amino acids build the body's protein stores.

Excess amino acids are converted to fats and sugars and follow the paths described above.

This is such a simple concept, but many people still believe that consuming lots and lots of protein will put muscle on their bones. Don't be fooled by this notion! Even excess protein turns to fat.

[perfectbeast2001]

yes i realise you think its health reasons but on what studies are these comments based on or are they just your opinion.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

It has been proven by many scientists and researchers around the world.

Talk to any doctor or health person (not a juice head..no offense to anyone), and they will tell you that.

[perfectbeast2001]

It has been proven by many scientists and researchers around the world.

Talk to any doctor or health person (not a juice head..no offense to anyone), and they will tell you that.

Well i have read quite a few studies in this area and as far as I am aware no one has been able to come up with an ammount of protein that is either just right or too much. High protein low carb diets have however been proven to be the most healthy type of diet and despite "old ideas" such as the ones you have posted above, high pro/low carb are now being reccomended by doctors for people with bad liver or kidney function.

[Haro3]

shananigans

[*Narkissos*]

lol...

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I suppose its highly debatable.

To each their own.

Eat away my fellow friends!

[*Narkissos*]

lol...

Now on a more serious note.

Of course 'too much ' protein is bad. Too much of anything is 'bad'.

There is where my agreement ends.

'Too much' is subjective.. It depends on the individual. There is no cut and dry formulae denoting the upper limits of protein metabolism in humans.

Why?

Because even though our base physiology is the same... each individual is different.

Narkissos

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Now on a more serious note.

Of course 'too much ' protein is bad. Too much of anything is 'bad'.

There is where my agreement ends.

'Too much' is subjective.. It depends on the individual. There is no cut and dry formulae denoting the upper limits of protein metabolism in humans.

Why?

Because even though our base physiology is the same... each individual is different.

Narkissos

this is true, thats where I had a question too against what i posted.

I guess its just a matter of picking a side. Like I said, to each their own.

[Haro3]

you started a thread about using Superdrol and Phera Plex and you wanna tell me protein is harmful to your liver? there are far more things to worry about hurting your body than excess protein. how bout alcohol you ever drink? you've obviously ran superdrol or phera plex those have got to be worse "ask any doctor or health person" i guarantee! theyll tell you that stuff is harder on you.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

you started a thread about using Superdrol and Phera Plex and you wanna tell me protein is harmful to your liver? there are far more things to worry about hurting your body than excess protein. how bout alcohol you ever drink? you've obviously ran superdrol or phera plex those have got to be worse "ask any doctor or health person" i guarantee! theyll tell you that stuff is harder on you.

lol, lets put that aside. I ran SD once, and Im not saying it wasnt bad. Then again, SD is excess protein either. Im talking about foods/diet..ya know, what protein is...not what superdrol is.

and no, I dont drink....maybe 1 every month...not even.

[usualsuspect]

[Giants11]

Excess waste caused by protein consumption can easliy be taken care of by drikning water.

What you failed to mention is that the urea and nitrogen are excreted via Urine.

Meaning drink water and the waste is removed. Quite simple.

[Chad B]

Excess waste caused by protein consumption can easliy be taken care of by drikning water.

What you failed to mention is that the urea and nitrogen are excreted via Urine.

Meaning drink water and the waste is removed. Quite simple.

[AnabolicAndre]

Excess waste caused by protein consumption can easliy be taken care of by drikning water.

What you failed to mention is that the urea and nitrogen are excreted via Urine.

Meaning drink water and the waste is removed. Quite simple.

And a good amount of water at that. The digestion and utalization of protein requires water, to excrete these excess wastes you will need someextra water tooo boost.

[Giants11]

And a good amount of water at that. The digestion and utalization of protein requires water, to excrete these excess wastes you will need someextra water tooo boost.

Correct, when Protein intake is high so should be your water intake.

[usualsuspect]

It is true "excess" protein turns into fat.....

What do most people who eat more than they expend look like? We call them fat. Excess energy goes into fat after the muscle glycogen is restored (a trivial amount). Eating more protein doesn't mean that protein is what you get when the body is through with it. A lot of it will go into fat.

Protein pools in the body are excreted as they turn over. The protein pool varies and its size is affected by protein intake, by cell turnover and loss, and by nutrient partitioning into body protein or fat. It has a lot of places to go and you certainly need plenty of it.

I do agree if you are looking to gain muscle, you need protein in excess of what is required for maintenance and to cover losses. One way to do this is to burn fat, with favorable effects on your body composition. This takes GH from a hard work out or from fasting.

Another way to do this is to eat less carbohydrate (which some claim to be "protein-sparing" when it is not). High carbs are actualy muscle wasting, not protein sparing after you take first and second order effects into account.

The best way to do it is to alternate excess protein consumption with light fasting. Of course, you must work out as well. Intermittent excess protein intake is perfectly consistent with our evolutionary past and that is enough to put on plenty of muscle. Too much protein is indeed toxic. Intermittency is protective because it lets you diversify your toxins (simple economics!).

On a side note, if you eat a "healthy" amount of protein daily (say 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight) you really only need water when you feel thirsty and not otherwise. Drinking gallons of water a day is not only a drag but harmful to your body as well.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

It is true "excess" protein turns into fat.....

What do most people who eat more than they expend look like? We call them fat. Excess energy goes into fat after the muscle glycogen is restored (a trivial amount). Eating more protein doesn't mean that protein is what you get when the body is through with it. A lot of it will go into fat.

Protein pools in the body are excreted as they turn over. The protein pool varies and its size is affected by protein intake, by cell turnover and loss, and by nutrient partitioning into body protein or fat. It has a lot of places to go and you certainly need plenty of it.

I do agree if you are looking to gain muscle, you need protein in excess of what is required for maintenance and to cover losses. One way to do this is to burn fat, with favorable effects on your body composition. This takes GH from a hard work out or from fasting.

Another way to do this is to eat less carbohydrate (which some claim to be "protein-sparing" when it is not). High carbs are actualy muscle wasting, not protein sparing after you take first and second order effects into account.

The best way to do it is to alternate excess protein consumption with light fasting. Of course, you must work out as well. Intermittent excess protein intake is perfectly consistent with our evolutionary past and that is enough to put on plenty of muscle. Too much protein is indeed toxic. Intermittency is protective because it lets you diversify your toxins (simple economics!).

On a side note, if you eat a "healthy" amount of protein daily (say 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight) you really only need water when you feel thirsty and not otherwise. Drinking gallons of water a day is not only a drag but harmful to your body as well.

oh oh gaintz watch out

looks like I gotta fan!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Excess waste caused by protein consumption can easliy be taken care of by drikning water.

What you failed to mention is that the urea and nitrogen are excreted via Urine.

Meaning drink water and the waste is removed. Quite simple.

lol, u always gotta ruin things dont ya?

jk.

good point.

[Chad B]

lol, u always gotta ruin things dont ya?

jk.

good point.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

lol, i didnt get owned...the book i read got owned.

I knew something had to be wrong.

afterall, I lived off of 7 cytogainers ed for the past 2 years.

[Timm1704]

lol, i didnt get owned...the book i read got owned.

I knew something had to be wrong.

afterall, I lived off of 7 cytogainers ed for the past 2 years.

lol, i knew that first post was not in your own words

[DNoMac]

Excess waste caused by protein consumption can easliy be taken care of by drikning water.

What you failed to mention is that the urea and nitrogen are excreted via Urine.

Meaning drink water and the waste is removed. Quite simple.

*Takes large gulp of water*

[Giants11]

Yeah there was no owning etc....


Sorry for always ruining things.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Yeah there was no owning etc....


Sorry for always ruining things.

You sticking it up my butt, or the book's butt caused me to see life a lot clearer now.

So I thank you, in a non gay way. We can pretend it happened in prison.

I can see clearly now the rain is gone....

[brutesinme]

Yes, excess water can lead to an electrolyte imbalence. Ususpect, what do youmean by fasting, as fasts can last hours to days. I'm feeling you do not mean fasting that lasts days, but i'm not sure exactly the length of time you are talking about.

[usualsuspect]

Yes, excess water can lead to an electrolyte imbalence. Ususpect, what do youmean by fasting, as fasts can last hours to days. I'm feeling you do not mean fasting that lasts days, but i'm not sure exactly the length of time you are talking about.

Yes I've been tinkering with intermittant fasting for several months now and noticied positive results from it. I normally fast 2 days a week for about 15-20 hours (mostly throughtout the night into the day). The idea is based off the theory, "nature punished the specialist." In short, its a randomized approach to optimizing fitness. Although there is still alot we don't know about IF, the studies so far have shown many remarkable health and body improvement benefits. In other words it has great potential.

PS Was hesitant to mention IF before since it completing goes against the grain of the board. Not only that, but I don't think health is half as important to some as it is to others. Note if it does not fit your goals or match your worldview please refrain from the backlash. Thanks.

[brutesinme]

Yes I've been tinkering with intermittant fasting for several months now and noticied positive results from it. I normally fast 2 days a week for about 15-20 hours (mostly throughtout the night into the day). The idea is based off the theory, "nature punished the specialist." In short, its a randomized approach to optimizing fitness. Although there is still alot we don't know about IF, the studies so far have shown many remarkable health and body improvement benefits. In other words it has great potential.

PS Was hesitant to mention IF before since it completing goes against the grain of the board. Not only that, but I don't think health is half as important to some as it is to others. Note if it does not fit your goals or match your worldview please refrain from the backlash. Thanks.

Interesting. My main concern is healthy living, i'm big naturally so i don't really need to work that hard to add muscle. I used to be quite fat (still carry a bit of a spare tire) and started my weight loss journey eating whatever i needed to in order to lose the weight. I found my mood and energy levels were tied to the types of food/quantities that i was eating. I always feel better when I'm restricting calories. i do feel the hunger, but when i eat maintainence levels i'm tired and hungry. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me, but that's how i feel. So anyways, i did a little reading on this and (just starting to scratch the surface) and it seems that calorie restricting is good for longevity. A little reading done on IF after your post implys it offers the same benefits as calorie restriction. (in rats, anyways). So i plan on trying it tommarow night. Last meal around 630 pm, then eating at around 11-1130 thurs, morning (just before my first class). I'm going to throw one or two of these in a week (when they don't interfere with my workouts; i'll do them the nights before cardio only days) and i'll let you know (if anyone is interested) how i feel in a month or so.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Interesting. My main concern is healthy living, i'm big naturally so i don't really need to work that hard to add muscle. I used to be quite fat (still carry a bit of a spare tire) and started my weight loss journey eating whatever i needed to in order to lose the weight. I found my mood and energy levels were tied to the types of food/quantities that i was eating. I always feel better when I'm restricting calories. i do feel the hunger, but when i eat maintainence levels i'm tired and hungry. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me, but that's how i feel. So anyways, i did a little reading on this and (just starting to scratch the surface) and it seems that calorie restricting is good for longevity. A little reading done on IF after your post implys it offers the same benefits as calorie restriction. (in rats, anyways). So i plan on trying it tommarow night. Last meal around 630 pm, then eating at around 11-1130 thurs, morning (just before my first class). I'm going to throw one or two of these in a week (when they don't interfere with my workouts; i'll do them the nights before cardio only days) and i'll let you know (if anyone is interested) how i feel in a month or so.

Please do.

[Chad B]

Yes I've been tinkering with intermittant fasting for several months now and noticied positive results from it. I normally fast 2 days a week for about 15-20 hours (mostly throughtout the night into the day). The idea is based off the theory, "nature punished the specialist." In short, its a randomized approach to optimizing fitness. Although there is still alot we don't know about IF, the studies so far have shown many remarkable health and body improvement benefits. In other words it has great potential.

PS Was hesitant to mention IF before since it completing goes against the grain of the board. Not only that, but I don't think health is half as important to some as it is to others. Note if it does not fit your goals or match your worldview please refrain from the backlash. Thanks.

Fasting is good for cleaning your body from toxins, like a 2 or more day fast. It also clears your mind, strengthens your willpower, and enhances your spirituality which in turn makes you happier

[brutesinme]

Fasting is good for cleaning your body from toxins, like a 2 or more day fast. It also clears your mind, strengthens your willpower, and enhances your spirituality which in turn makes you happier

I'm curious as to how fasting cleans your body of toxins. Your body already has a very efficient detox filter, it's called your liver. There is no evidence to the effect that stopping eating has a physical effect on "toxins" that you have ingested. In fact, some energy is needed to keep your liver running at it's top level. I have no arguement with the latter 3 points, just that first one.

[AnabolicAndre]

I did some sort of equation the other day for someone who said they were consuming 600gs ED let me find it as an example

[Squatman51]

so excess protein turns to fat?????

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

so excess protein turns to fat?????

Yes,

What happens to the protein:

It is broken down into building blocks known as peptides.

Then, it is further broken down and it becomes amino acids.

The amino acids are absorbed through the small intestine's lining and enter the blood stream.

From here, some of the amino acids build the body's protein stores.

Excess amino acids are converted to fats and sugars and follow the paths described above.

This is such a simple concept, but many people still believe that consuming lots and lots of protein will put muscle on their bones. Don't be fooled by this notion! Even excess protein turns to fat.

A little something else for ya...

The nitrogen balance index (NBI) is used to evaluate the amount of protein used by the body in comparison with the amount of protein supplied from daily food intake. The body is in the state of nitrogen (or protein) equilibrium when the intake and usage of protein is equal. The body has a positive nitrogen balance when the intake of protein is greater than that expended by the body. In this case, the body can build and develop new tissue. Since the body does not store protein, the overconsumption of protein can result in the excess amount to be converted into fat and stored as adipose tissue. The body has a negative nitrogen balance when the intake of protein is less than that expended by the body. In this case, protein intake is less than required, and the body cannot maintain or build new tissues.

[Giants11]

Yes,

What happens to the protein:

It is broken down into building blocks known as peptides.

Then, it is further broken down and it becomes amino acids.

The amino acids are absorbed through the small intestine's lining and enter the blood stream.

From here, some of the amino acids build the body's protein stores.

Excess amino acids are converted to fats and sugars and follow the paths described above.

This is such a simple concept, but many people still believe that consuming lots and lots of protein will put muscle on their bones. Don't be fooled by this notion! Even excess protein turns to fat.

A little something else for ya...

The nitrogen balance index (NBI) is used to evaluate the amount of protein used by the body in comparison with the amount of protein supplied from daily food intake. The body is in the state of nitrogen (or protein) equilibrium when the intake and usage of protein is equal. The body has a positive nitrogen balance when the intake of protein is greater than that expended by the body. In this case, the body can build and develop new tissue. Since the body does not store protein, the overconsumption of protein can result in the excess amount to be converted into fat and stored as adipose tissue. The body has a negative nitrogen balance when the intake of protein is less than that expended by the body. In this case, protein intake is less than required, and the body cannot maintain or build new tissues.

Yes excess anything will turn into fat. But excess protein has much less of a chance, simple because of the steps you listed above the breakdown of protein into amino's is an energy consuming process and your body has a much harder time converting protein into triglycerides than any other macro.

Also protein ranks number 1 when it comes to TEF. As stated above your body utilizes more energy breaking down protein than it does any other macro, resulting in a much greater thermal effect than any other macro.

[AnabolicAndre]

Originally Posted by ***
also i always get at least 100g per meal 6 meals per day and other than that i try to make sure the other macros bring my total to 6000-10000 calories



Originally Posted by Andre
if you ate 100g of PRO/meal 6 times a day thats 2400 cals from protein alone!!!!!!!

Lets just say for arguments sake 6oz is about 35gs PRO. that would mean you are eating over a pound of meat,chicken,fish ect. at eat meal. thats redic.

Also your amonia levels are probably through the roof.

And your homocystene levels can't be great.

For every 25gs of protein the body metabolizes it looses 350g of water. So by eating 600g of protein you loose 8400g of water, thats about 2 gallons of water!!!!! How do you even maintain hydration?!?!?!?!?

[usualsuspect]

Originally Posted by ***
also i always get at least 100g per meal 6 meals per day and other than that i try to make sure the other macros bring my total to 6000-10000 calories



Originally Posted by Andre
if you ate 100g of PRO/meal 6 times a day thats 2400 cals from protein alone!!!!!!!

Lets just say for arguments sake 6oz is about 35gs PRO. that would mean you are eating over a pound of meat,chicken,fish ect. at eat meal. thats redic.

Also your amonia levels are probably through the roof.

And your homocystene levels can't be great.

For every 25gs of protein the body metabolizes it looses 350g of water. So by eating 600g of protein you loose 8400g of water, thats about 2 gallons of water!!!!! How do you even maintain hydration?!?!?!?!?

What stupidity! Sadly, he is supposed to be a good model of healthy practice ("that guy is lean as a rock...must really take care of himself")....when in fact just the oppposite is true.

If you wish to fry your kidney's and risk ammonia poisoning this is the way to do it. Not to mention a plethora of other negative downsides.

It amazes me the length some people will go to obtain the body they want. Kinda reminds me of the Valentino guy (well maybe not that bad lol).

[AnabolicAndre]

I remember reading some where "Bodybuilder are big, tough, and strong. Healthy helll no"