Need relationship advise quick!

[kelkel]

Great thread Flats. I've been living that life for several years now to the point where I'll probably file soon. Don't know what really is holding me up other than my son, but he'd stay with me anyway. I've often wondered if the slow onset of my microadenoma was the main contributing factor to this now disfunctional cohabitation! Lovely!

[bass]

sorry to hear it Kel! i wonder if somehow being on TRT and the way it makes us feel and look the wives somehow feel they're no match, kind of feel like unattractive or too old for us! maybe a fear of assuming they are not good enough! what do you think?

[kelkel]

That's ok Bass. Got a great son out of the deal. She's a workaholic and I work from home so I've basically been raising him by myself for a long time. Home room dad, coach, etc. Wouldn't miss it for the world.

My wifes 9 years younger. Very hot, great rack, kinda looks like Shania Twain. We just have totally grown apart and just cohabitate. She moved out for a bit but came back as I pay all the bills even though she makes good money. My opinion anyway. Plus she now seems to be reliving her twenties and I don't really need to be around for it. Maybe it's hormonal for her or genetic as her dad is the same way. Gotta read through those threads on Slimmer me's sticky!

[flatscat]

Looks like this resurrection was timely for many of us.

This is a serious topic and I hope it helps.

I do believe that at the end of the day nothing is actually caused by the treatment we are on. The problems that we may have are more likely rooted in the time we spent with our spouse where we were not ourselves and the damage that was caused. But the real problem can probably be traced to a fundamental flaw in the relationship to begin with. Mine was magnified both pre and post trt.

[zaggahamma]

i feel for anyone in this place having lived it as well

im my case the ex makes the mother in laws kiss seems like one from meagan fox

also stayed for the kids way too long and thats the only ones i regret not seeing everyday

wish i NEVER had to see the thing

numero uno

[lvs]

went through this same thing myself a bit over 2-years ago. After the separation I started taking care of myself again, and feel much better and as result we have remained friends, which is good for the kids.

It is a tough place to be and I feel for everyone here that is suffering through turmoil in their relationships.

[BillyBob210]

Been with my wife since we both 18 (45 now). Many ups and downs but never sexually until my Testosterone crashed about 5 years ago. Of course I had no idea what was happening and blamed things on her as much as myself. When I found TRT (saved my life) and I came back physically, she was thrilled to death. I came back to our bed after a long time isolating myself and sleeping in my recliner, not to mention the alcohol and F'd up psych meds the docs had me on. When I did, it was great at first but over the past couple of years on HRT and getting myself in shape, I find myself in a similar situation. She has gotten used to the new me and doesn't require it like she did when she missed it (me), or even as she did in our youth. I have found that communication is the key and accepting that she just plain old doesn't want it as much as I do. Find a way to work it out because you HAVE to, for your love and for your kids. Even if that means punchin the munchkin like you did when you were a teen P.S Cosmo is not good for any middle aged married woman's psyche. We can't be young again even if we feel like we are. Not sure if this helps but.....

[jamotech]

Ill say the same as most of have already, been there done that, and watching friends go through the same. I had an 8 yr relationship with my ex gf. Waited for her to go to work one day, got a uhaul and was out. Only way I could do it, she was raging bipolar and she would have caused a scene. She had been telling me to move out for a while, so ladies its not like I just skipped on her I finally got her to see a psychologist about a year before we split, she was then referred to a psychiatrist and they put her on meds for bi-polar. She took them consistently for a month, there was a very noticeable good change, then she started her "own dosing schedule" which made her problem worse than before the meds. She would take like 1 pill every two days, it was a shame really.

Sex was always great for the both of us, but we were never that great of friends in hindsight, and the friendship is whats gonna carry you past 8 years of sex and vacations.

[PPC]

Been thinking a little more about this. Some guys here that had low T and then rebounded after therapy have mentioned their wives' lack of interest as a possible form of payback.

When females lose hormones, vaginas dry up, breasts deflate a little and sometimes intercourse hurts. The natural lubrication that was easy in youth doesn't happen as easily or if at all.

Men lose hormones and their penis's don't work as well or sometimes barely at all. They no longer feel like hitting on everything in a skirt. That is hard on self esteem.

So sometimes both men and women withdraw. Like Billy Bob mentioned, he took to sleeping on the couch. My husband (during his low T season would go to bed before or after I did ) Guess he didn't want to be put into the position where he would look like a failure if I initiated. Man, that hurt me! There's a lot woven into how someone feels about their ability sexually and how they think they can offer love. I understand why he acted and felt the way he did and there's had to be forgiveness on both our ends.

But now I think we've both realized, coming out the other side (yet still struggling sometimes) that it is so much more than about our genitals. Peppy hormones or not, we can sexually love our partners with our minds and hearts and hands and mouths even if our genitals are not working in a perfectly teenage fashion (or ever in a twenty to thirty year old fashion.). Poorly working genitals doesn't give us license to completely pull away from a sexual relationship. (of course, pain matters need to be resolved) My husband knows now that it's not all about his penis acting like it's twenty. But it's a hard one for guys to shake. And I know that it's not about my breasts being as perky as before I had my children. It's great when the body works well, when sex is effortless and sweeps us away on a sea of hormones, but more likely as we get older, sex will be about giving from out minds which actually are our most sexual organ anyway. I need to remind myself of this.

[PPC]

Been thinking a little more about this. Some guys here that had low T and then rebounded after therapy have mentioned their wives' lack of interest as a possible form of payback.

When females lose hormones, vaginas dry up, breasts deflate a little and sometimes intercourse hurts. The natural lubrication that was easy in youth doesn't happen as easily or if at all.

Men lose hormones and their penises (sp?) don't work as well or sometimes barely at all. They no longer feel like hitting on everything in a skirt. That is hard on self esteem.

So sometimes both men and women withdraw. Like Billy Bob mentioned, he took to sleeping on the couch. My husband (during his low T season would go to bed before or after I did ) Guess he didn't want to be put into the position where he would look like a failure if I initiated. Man, that hurt me! There's a lot woven into how someone feels about their ability sexually and how that in turn affects the way they offer love. I understand why he acted and felt the way he did and there has had to be forgiveness on both our ends.

But now I think we've both realized, coming out the other side (yet still struggling sometimes) that it is so much more than about our genitals. Peppy hormones or not, we can sexually love our partners with our minds and hearts and hands and mouths even if our genitals are not working in a perfectly teenage fashion (or ever in a twenty to thirty year old fashion.). Poorly working genitals do not give us license to completely pull away from a sexual relationship. (of course, pain matters need to be resolved) My husband knows now that it's not all about his penis acting like it's twenty. But it's a hard one for guys to shake. And I know that it's not about my breasts being as perky as before I had my children. It's great when the body works well, when sex is effortless and sweeps us away on a sea of hormones, but more likely as we get older, sex will be about giving from our minds which actually are our most sexual organ anyway. I need to remind myself of this.

[ecdysone]

kelkel, you're one good dude. We must be twins as I could have written your post with the one exception (- 10 years from wife's age).

Would be very interested to hear more from you on how things turn out...

[fit2bOld]

Great thread, libido was one of my problems as well, my other half is 9 years younger. couple times a week seems to work well for us. I'm 50 so on the other days

[PandoraV]

Wow.... I see over and over again the wife needs to step up to the plate and start taking some kind of HRT, BC, read this read that, have a sit down discussion on how YOU are feeling and you're ready to go get some strange if she can't give it up. Let me ask ..... Do YOU help with; prepping & cooking meals every time a meal needs to be made or is she running this solo? Do YOU clean up after dinner or does she? Do YOU gather up laundry wash, dry, and fold a load or two without being asked? What about vacuuming, dusting, kids homework demands, buying the groceries, taking or picking up clothes from the dry cleaners?

Fellas.... these little things add up and will give you brownie points and most likely come back two fold. Although, if you've never stepped up to the plate to do these things.. she will look at you and be a little suspicious of this behavior. When you lighten her load of domestic diva duties, it will give you more time together to get some flirt going on while working together to re-awaken the sexual chemistry you both obviously once had. Life is kids, both parents working, meeting the mortgage blah blah blah.... Typically, the woman/mom's job is not done until her head hits the pillow at night, then she is on call.

Sex is the glue to any successful relationship... and it can't be sloppy sex either. There will and are times when one is just too damn tired. Typically, women in there 40's is when we start to rock and roll. Free up her time in the domicile guys.... see where that gets you Hopefully Horizontal !

[zaggahamma]

Wow.... I see over and over again the wife needs to step up to the plate and start taking some kind of HRT, BC, read this read that, have a sit down discussion on how YOU are feeling and you're ready to go get some strange if she can't give it up. Let me ask ..... Do YOU help with; prepping & cooking meals every time a meal needs to be made or is she running this solo? Do YOU clean up after dinner or does she? Do YOU gather up laundry wash, dry, and fold a load or two without being asked? What about vacuuming, dusting, kids homework demands, buying the groceries, taking or picking up clothes from the dry cleaners?

Fellas.... these little things add up and will give you brownie points and most likely come back two fold. Although, if you've never stepped up to the plate to do these things.. she will look at you and be a little suspicious of this behavior. When you lighten her load of domestic diva duties, it will give you more time together to get some flirt going on while working together to re-awaken the sexual chemistry you both obviously once had. Life is kids, both parents working, meeting the mortgage blah blah blah.... Typically, the woman/mom's job is not done until her head hits the pillow at night, then she is on call.

Sex is the glue to any successful relationship... and it can't be sloppy sex either. There will and are times when one is just too damn tired. Typically, women in there 40's is when we start to rock and roll. Free up her time in the domicile guys.... see where that gets you Hopefully Horizontal !

i'm prolly not speaking for myself here but not pitching in around the house isnt the problem in some cases but yes housework, good child rearing IS definitely exhausting i'l give u that pandoraV

[SlimmerMe]

Wow.... I see over and over again the wife needs to step up to the plate and start taking some kind of HRT, BC, read this read that, have a sit down discussion on how YOU are feeling and you're ready to go get some strange if she can't give it up. Let me ask ..... Do YOU help with; prepping & cooking meals every time a meal needs to be made or is she running this solo? Do YOU clean up after dinner or does she? Do YOU gather up laundry wash, dry, and fold a load or two without being asked? What about vacuuming, dusting, kids homework demands, buying the groceries, taking or picking up clothes from the dry cleaners?

Fellas.... these little things add up and will give you brownie points and most likely come back two fold. Although, if you've never stepped up to the plate to do these things.. she will look at you and be a little suspicious of this behavior. When you lighten her load of domestic diva duties, it will give you more time together to get some flirt going on while working together to re-awaken the sexual chemistry you both obviously once had. Life is kids, both parents working, meeting the mortgage blah blah blah.... Typically, the woman/mom's job is not done until her head hits the pillow at night, then she is on call.

Sex is the glue to any successful relationship... and it can't be sloppy sex either. There will and are times when one is just too damn tired. Typically, women in there 40's is when we start to rock and roll. Free up her time in the domicile guys.... see where that gets you Hopefully Horizontal !

Glad to see you here PandoraV~

[SlimmerMe]

Been thinking a little more about this. Some guys here that had low T and then rebounded after therapy have mentioned their wives' lack of interest as a possible form of payback.

When females lose hormones, vaginas dry up, breasts deflate a little and sometimes intercourse hurts. The natural lubrication that was easy in youth doesn't happen as easily or if at all.

Men lose hormones and their penises (sp?) don't work as well or sometimes barely at all. They no longer feel like hitting on everything in a skirt. That is hard on self esteem.

So sometimes both men and women withdraw. Like Billy Bob mentioned, he took to sleeping on the couch. My husband (during his low T season would go to bed before or after I did ) Guess he didn't want to be put into the position where he would look like a failure if I initiated. Man, that hurt me! There's a lot woven into how someone feels about their ability sexually and how that in turn affects the way they offer love. I understand why he acted and felt the way he did and there has had to be forgiveness on both our ends.

But now I think we've both realized, coming out the other side (yet still struggling sometimes) that it is so much more than about our genitals. Peppy hormones or not, we can sexually love our partners with our minds and hearts and hands and mouths even if our genitals are not working in a perfectly teenage fashion (or ever in a twenty to thirty year old fashion.). Poorly working genitals do not give us license to completely pull away from a sexual relationship. (of course, pain matters need to be resolved) My husband knows now that it's not all about his penis acting like it's twenty. But it's a hard one for guys to shake. And I know that it's not about my breasts being as perky as before I had my children. It's great when the body works well, when sex is effortless and sweeps us away on a sea of hormones, but more likely as we get older, sex will be about giving from our minds which actually are our most sexual organ anyway. I need to remind myself of this.

Another PPC special......

[flatscat]

Wow.... I see over and over again the wife needs to step up to the plate and start taking some kind of HRT, BC, read this read that, have a sit down discussion on how YOU are feeling and you're ready to go get some strange if she can't give it up. Let me ask ..... Do YOU help with; prepping & cooking meals every time a meal needs to be made or is she running this solo? Do YOU clean up after dinner or does she? Do YOU gather up laundry wash, dry, and fold a load or two without being asked? What about vacuuming, dusting, kids homework demands, buying the groceries, taking or picking up clothes from the dry cleaners?

Fellas.... these little things add up and will give you brownie points and most likely come back two fold. Although, if you've never stepped up to the plate to do these things.. she will look at you and be a little suspicious of this behavior. When you lighten her load of domestic diva duties, it will give you more time together to get some flirt going on while working together to re-awaken the sexual chemistry you both obviously once had. Life is kids, both parents working, meeting the mortgage blah blah blah.... Typically, the woman/mom's job is not done until her head hits the pillow at night, then she is on call.

Sex is the glue to any successful relationship... and it can't be sloppy sex either. There will and are times when one is just too damn tired. Typically, women in there 40's is when we start to rock and roll. Free up her time in the domicile guys.... see where that gets you Hopefully Horizontal !

Nice first post. Welcome. But I gotta say it looks like Y O U have some personal experience with this. Wanna share?

Btw, I cook and clean more than she does. I am looking for her to earn some points lol.

[kelkel]

^^^Ditto. I work from a home office but still have a full days work to do. I take care of my son in the morning and get him on the school bus, while she either continues to sleep or gets herself ready for work. I get him off the bus and take care of him virtually every night as she gets home late (workaholic) all the time. It's as if she lost interest in family life. She basically seems to want to "direct" me in raising our son. I've naturally grown tired of her "direction" and tell her she can pitch in whenever she likes, which doesn't happen. I Pay all the bills, grocery shop, cook, homeroom dad, everything. She doesn't know what the inside of a grocery store looks like anymore and I know for a fact she only cooked one meal last year!

Only good thing is she now has an appointment with a doctor who is going to run a hormone panel on her that I have been encouraging. It will be interesting to see the results as I'm about out of time and patience.......

[zaggahamma]

Good ole brad paisley sang a good ole tune bout waitin on a woman

[bass]

perhaps this thread should be included in Slim's thread Threads for your female friends to enjoy ! i think its very useful for women to read and understand what their husbands/BF are going through due to TRT!

[SlimmerMe]

perhaps this thread should be included in Slim's thread Threads for your female friends to enjoy ! i think its very useful for women to read and understand what their husbands/BF are going through due to TRT!

this thread is on the list......but thanks for mentioning it Bass because if it were not, it would be a good one. I do have another one I have been meaning to add to it but need to find it.

[bass]

LOL, thats how it got resurrected to begin with! did you see my latest request in your thread Slim?

[NOSUPERMODEL]

Going through old threads and came across this one. So how are things going now Flats?

[flatscat]

Much better since i learned to switch hands without messing up the rhythm. Thanks for asking.

[NOSUPERMODEL]

Much better since i learned to switch hands without messing up the rhythm. Thanks for asking.

ROFLMAO!!!

Seriously though I hope things work out for you.

[zaggahamma]

Bumped on v day 4 added flavor

[kelkel]

JPK you "peaked " with that one.

[PetrX]

Slip her viagra in a drink everytime you feel like doing the dirty deed =)

[flatscat]

ROFLMAO!!!

Seriously though I hope things work out for you.

Things are better and really thanks for asking.

Best thing i did was lower my expectations a bit about frequency and try to raise hers a little.

Don't get me wrong, i still want it a lot more than she does, but have come to the conclusion that "it is what it is".

Never any luck on getting her levels checked out.

[ghettoboyd]

Wow.... I see over and over again the wife needs to step up to the plate and start taking some kind of HRT, BC, read this read that, have a sit down discussion on how YOU are feeling and you're ready to go get some strange if she can't give it up. Let me ask ..... Do YOU help with; prepping & cooking meals every time a meal needs to be made or is she running this solo? Do YOU clean up after dinner or does she? Do YOU gather up laundry wash, dry, and fold a load or two without being asked? What about vacuuming, dusting, kids homework demands, buying the groceries, taking or picking up clothes from the dry cleaners?

Fellas.... these little things add up and will give you brownie points and most likely come back two fold. Although, if you've never stepped up to the plate to do these things.. she will look at you and be a little suspicious of this behavior. When you lighten her load of domestic diva duties, it will give you more time together to get some flirt going on while working together to re-awaken the sexual chemistry you both obviously once had. Life is kids, both parents working, meeting the mortgage blah blah blah.... Typically, the woman/mom's job is not done until her head hits the pillow at night, then she is on call.

Sex is the glue to any successful relationship... and it can't be sloppy sex either. There will and are times when one is just too damn tired. Typically, women in there 40's is when we start to rock and roll. Free up her time in the domicile guys.... see where that gets you Hopefully Horizontal !

this is great insight and very good advise imho..ive been stepping up my role as a husband/father by doing a lot of the things you have said and it has paid off big time in my marrige so this actually works...im glad i changed my way of thinking a few years ago when i found our relationship deteriorating...we are now in the best possible place in our marrige, we are both happy and the communication and the sex has never been better...

[Flier]

Great thread!
I would think the woman would find the man´s new found sexual desire less genuine. As it comes from injection of a sex-hormone rather from the heart.
Maybe same as an erection from Viagra is not as conformational as an erection created by the pure lust of the subject woman.
I would think the woman will feel more wanted and desirable, if the lust came without "aid", and therefore the lust for sex would be reciprocated at a higher degree.
Just my thoughts.

My girlfriend has the same problem, i get it like 2-3 times per week, and sometimes i feel she forces herself.

The problem is that sex is the only problem in my relationship the rest is just fine.

My girlfriend went for a consulation to a sex doctor sorry i don't know how you call that in english, she told her that us male have 4 litres of testosterone in the body and women have yet a small dice and the reason why they don't want sex has much has we do.

I was looking into cialis for women apparently its a bomb for them, but even so not sure.

I guess that at some point you either need to live with it, get on porn sites if you are too horny (that freaken sucks), or find someone else. Sorry bro that is the only tips i can give you being in a similar situation.

I have tried many things to make sex better but my girlfriend is just no interested.

I don´t think this has anything to with it. A womans main sex-hormone is Estrogen. It gives her the desire for sex + lubricates her Vagina and keeps the PH in check etc.

Yes, it's interesting to see this thread again and what was written in it. I'm glad Flats, that things have not regressed and that they have made a small turn for the better.

Looking at the things I wrote back then, I still see the need for hormone repla***ent when sex hormones are missing. Now though, I think attitude plays equally or even greater a part. Having a great libido stemming from a good hormone profile is a wonderful thing. But I think there has to be a heart change too. I have witnessed some women get hormonally tuned and then put all their new gusto and energy into things other than their sexual relationships. Don't know why that happens, but it does sometimes, maybe these types are just low desire due to the way they think about sex. It might have to be a strong physical urge before they realize they are horny rather than just simply sexual thoughts or feelings of closeness with their spouse inspiring sexuality.

Sometimes spouses just get to a place where they think it's okay to have a lagging sex life and other things take greater importance. I'm not polite enough to keep my mouth shut with any of my female friends about this. Probably they see me coming and run LOL. But if you signed up for marriage, you essentially signed up to be a sexual person. Marriage is defined by that sexual love, it's what separates it from all other relationships. Anything other than honoring that sexual relationship is bait and switch. Cultivating sexuality in a long term relationship takes much practice, frequency, devotion and focus. Maybe I feel so strongly about this because in my marriage, I have worn the shoe from the other foot and know what it feels like for you guys who's partners lose interest.

So I wanna tell your partners, "Hey, give your guy great sex, what's not to love about it!!!" But of course, they won't hear that from me. Instead, they often hear the same complaints from their married friends and feel justified in their attitude to sex.To hear it from you they just think, blah, blah, he's on about sex again.

A good book is "The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands," but how do you tell your wife to read that without having her immediately bristle? Dunno. Patience is good, but keeping up communication about what you need and how wonderful and important sex is to the relationship is also key. That's my latest rant on the subject. I hope things just keep on getting better Flats.

Great post!

Ah....and there is a second page to this thread....lol, gets me every time.

[zaggahamma]

Great thread!
I would think the woman would find the man´s new found sexual desire less genuine. As it comes from injection of a sex-hormone rather from the heart.
Maybe same as an erection from Viagra is not as conformational as an erection created by the pure lust of the subject woman.
I would think the woman will feel more wanted and desirable, if the lust came without "aid", and therefore the lust for sex would be reciprocated at a higher degree.
Just my thoughts.




I don´t think this has anything to with it. A womans main sex-hormone is Estrogen. It gives her the desire for sex + lubricates her Vagina and keeps the PH in check etc.


Great post!

i too thought the portion of test in the female was in someway responsible for her drive

[Flier]

i too thought the portion of test in the female was in someway responsible for her drive

Yes a portion.
But Yannics doc told him that the reason men are hornier than women is because we have a bucketload of more test. This is not true.

[flatscat]

Great thread!
I would think the woman would find the man´s new found sexual desire less genuine. As it comes from injection of a sex-hormone rather from the heart.
Maybe same as an erection from Viagra is not as conformational as an erection created by the pure lust of the subject woman.
I would think the woman will feel more wanted and desirable, if the lust came without "aid", and therefore the lust for sex would be reciprocated at a higher degree.
Just my thoughts.

I don´t think this has anything to with it. A womans main sex-hormone is Estrogen. It gives her the desire for sex + lubricates her Vagina and keeps the PH in check etc.

Great post!

Ah....and there is a second page to this thread....lol, gets me every time.

Ah, but you are missing a key point.

If we started this journey to improve the quality of life not only for us and our families, and remain faithful then in my mind that is one of the most romantic gestures a husband can make.

You sound like my wife -

guess it would have been better to stay a slug in your eyes.

The t does not make us choose anything or anyone.

Just one more misconception....

But thanks for posting your thoughts.

Flats

[Flier]

Ah, but you are missing a key point.

If we started this journey to improve the quality of life not only for us and our families, and remain faithful then in my mind that is one of the most romantic gestures a husband can make.

You sound like my wife -

guess it would have been better to stay a slug in your eyes.

The t does not make us choose anything or anyone.

Just one more misconception....

But thanks for posting your thoughts.

Flats

No, u misunderstood me.
I am just imagining this is what a woman might think/feel.
My test is also in the gutter, and I can´t wait to correct it somehow, to get that youthful desire back in my life.

[flatscat]

aight.

I am really glad this thread got revived.

This is way to common to not at least talk about it. It is a very important subject that a lot of us have been through, are going through it and/or will go through it. It is just as important as the physical discussion we have about protocols/levels.

[spywizard]

^^^Ditto. I work from a home office but still have a full days work to do. I take care of my son in the morning and get him on the school bus, while she either continues to sleep or gets herself ready for work. I get him off the bus and take care of him virtually every night as she gets home late (workaholic) all the time. It's as if she lost interest in family life. She basically seems to want to "direct" me in raising our son. I've naturally grown tired of her "direction" and tell her she can pitch in whenever she likes, which doesn't happen. I Pay all the bills, grocery shop, cook, homeroom dad, everything. She doesn't know what the inside of a grocery store looks like anymore and I know for a fact she only cooked one meal last year!

Only good thing is she now has an appointment with a doctor who is going to run a hormone panel on her that I have been encouraging. It will be interesting to see the results as I'm about out of time and patience.......

my fellow house husband/money maker.... what my wife and i do, is she'll run anavar 10mg 2 months on 2 off... and on vacations we'll do pt 141... now that doesn't address desire.. what i do is i'll take my hands off, so she gets reminded what I do for the family.. then it's all "thank you for all you do for us" and it helps that i'm still in great shape and good looking, not that i'd step out of the relationship..

but she has and does get taken in the middle of the night, it's just one of the prices of being with me..

not sure that will help you but be a slave to one another, try to out give (that's what we do) and that's when we are the happiest..

[PPC]

In the case of women, enough estrogen supplies the healthy, lubricated vagina, the good mood (hopefully), the romantic feelings, the desire for intimacy. Testosterone supplies the nipple and clitoral sensitivity, the primal lust, confidence and more of the desire to initiate. Both hormones are essential for female sex drive in top working order but like I mentioned earlier...attitude. A giving, sharing attitude. Because even the most hormonally primed of women can get exhausted after a long day and lose interest, that's when priorities and an "I'm pro sex" attitude is needed. But this goes for both sexes.

[zaggahamma]

In the case of women, enough estrogen supplies the healthy, lubricated vagina, the good mood (hopefully), the romantic feelings, the desire for intimacy. Testosterone supplies the nipple and clitoral sensitivity, the primal lust, confidence and more of the desire to initiate. Both hormones are essential for female sex drive in top working order but like I mentioned earlier...attitude. A giving, sharing attitude. Because even the most hormonally primed of women can get exhausted after a long day and lose interest, that's when priorities and an "I'm pro sex" attitude is needed. But this goes for both sexes.

thanks ppc
thats another good reminder that women should have their hormones checked as well....is female hrt controversial and or frowned on in any circles even though its been practiced for much longer than male?

[John Andrew]

Do you really want to read books and try to understand women? If you are happy fine, If you are not happy get rid of her, get a new one , have fun, do not look back! OK I am old and married too often, however now I have overcome my addiction to wedding cake I just do what makes me happy. Its either behave or go! My way or the highway. The front door is always open. Wanna lawyer, fine I will not be here for him or for you! To hell with Venus and Mars. Men are the hunters!!! Good hunting!