Thread: sub q test guys?
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12-08-2011, 11:46 AM #1Junior Member
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sub q test guys?
Why the alternation between sub q and IM?
TRied my first sub q last night... Too easy! Wondering really why one would switch back and forth!
Thanks in advance
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12-08-2011, 11:55 AM #2
I dont get it why people do it. Maybe I should try it sometime...
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12-08-2011, 12:12 PM #3Knowledgeable Member
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12-08-2011, 01:02 PM #4HRT
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I mix it up as there are times I don't have the time it takes for SQ...IM is much faster. Also, I believe the body cleaves the esters differently in body fat versus muscle tissue. I like the variation.
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12-08-2011, 01:16 PM #5
still doing SQ and i might switched it up once in a while just to give the area a break, but i highly favor SQ over IM! i ordered 28g x 1/2" slin syringes, this should be little faster on the draw!
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12-08-2011, 01:19 PM #6Junior Member
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G- I saw your recent blood work, how often have you been doing sub q? Long enough to get accurate reading in blood work I'm sure?
CAn you elaborate on how you think it acts differently sub q ame I'M
THanks again
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12-08-2011, 01:21 PM #7Junior Member
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Bass, did you get your blood work back yet? AND that last blood was full blown sub q if I'm not mistaken correct?
Thanks for dropping in
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12-08-2011, 01:42 PM #8HRT
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12-08-2011, 01:46 PM #9
here it is. keep in mind i was on var as well, which i am sure had some negative effects on my levels.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...45#post5819145
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12-08-2011, 02:05 PM #10Junior Member
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You guys are the be(a)st :0)
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12-08-2011, 02:22 PM #11Knowledgeable Member
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The abstracts of the Canadian one and the Saudi (I think) are easy to find, but I never could locate a good source for the actual papers. Would be nice to know exactly what they found, since there do not appear to have been
any other studies. Curious, since a major reason the test-cyp producers recommend every two weeks/injection is they don't want the patients either doing it themselves or having to go to the Dr. office more frequently.
You really think someone would be interested in doing a side-by-side comparison.
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12-08-2011, 04:19 PM #12Member
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Interesting. I've always been told to avoid injecting anywhere other than the muscle, as you risk abscesses that way. I actually have 2 knots in one delt that make it unusable as a site, as a result of this. (I thought, anyway.)
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12-08-2011, 04:55 PM #13
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12-08-2011, 05:04 PM #14
What kind of tissue damage can be done to fat cells?
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12-08-2011, 05:06 PM #15
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12-08-2011, 10:44 PM #16Member
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Well, my endo specifically said that putting that oil in the fat causes a higher incidence of benign abscess. Not that I trust him with much, as he doesn't believe in HCG , doesn't think E2 has an effect on anything, and bumped me to 300mg/week without looking at bloodwork for the last 6 months.
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12-08-2011, 10:52 PM #17
Could test suspension be injected subq?
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12-09-2011, 02:05 AM #18
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12-09-2011, 02:10 AM #19
not sure, but since we do hCG (which is water base) SQ, i don't see why that wouldn't work TS!
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12-09-2011, 07:07 AM #20Member
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Im not actually taking 300mg/week =)_ And yea, hes the only endo in my area that my insurance covers.
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I take 125mg/week Test C. My doctor does not believe in E2 control or HCG , and recently I've started developing sex drive/erection issues, so I'm going to be monitoring my own estro/test through bloodwork and adjusting armidex dose off that. A-Dex is research grade.
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12-09-2011, 09:16 PM #23
Fetch, i convert easily to e2, but since i started doing SQ injection and split my dose to twice a week i only take 1 mg adex, if done IM i have to take 1.5 mg AI. two benefits from switching to SQ, test is more stable, e2 conversion is minimal, and no long needle stabbing! let us know once you get your blood work results, i am curious to know where you're at with e2!
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12-12-2011, 08:31 PM #24
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12-25-2011, 04:49 PM #27Junior Member
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would rather have an abcess in fat then deep in muscle tissue. I'm using test from compounding pharmacy not joe's kitchen. I only do a 1/4 cc sub q and I dont even feel it.
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12-25-2011, 05:35 PM #28Originally Posted by bass
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12-25-2011, 07:07 PM #30Knowledgeable Member
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12-25-2011, 10:02 PM #31
I wouldnt backload or prefill for the reason of sterility.
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12-26-2011, 12:19 AM #32
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12-26-2011, 12:23 AM #33
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12-26-2011, 01:49 AM #34Originally Posted by bass
Ima try this method though, I prefill my 25 gauge for 3 weeks at a time, a pharmacist told me it should stay sterile for about 21 days... hope he is right, but as of yet no problems
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12-26-2011, 03:10 AM #35
I have done Sub Q a couple of time. 1st time I did my normal almost 1cc and it is the first time I was sore/tender and had a lump for a good week. I did it again but only 1/2 cc and had no problem so I suspect you just have to keep the amount down.
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12-26-2011, 12:52 PM #36Knowledgeable Member
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There is no sterility issue: you use a new 23+G syringe, carefully pull the plunger out of the slin pin with one hand while filling it with the other. Then you re-insert the plunger and remove the air.
The plunger tip only contacts sterile surfaces and seals off the inner syringe body from outside contamination.
There are vast numbers of guys doing it this way with absolutely no issues.
Actually, if you're really worried about sterility, going into the same bottle 2 or 3 dozen times can't be a good scenario for maintaining sterility.
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12-28-2011, 09:11 PM #37
who says theres no sterility issue, you? Well, I say there is... doesn't matter how many do it without issue.
Back filling a syringe isnt that complicated.
Dont understand how the number of times you draw would affect a sealed container, the needle is sterile, the top is sterile after alcohol swab?
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12-28-2011, 10:18 PM #38
I don't know how you guys do the sub c injections (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subcutaneous_injection).. i did with 50iu of volumn and had a lump for 18 days...
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12-28-2011, 10:30 PM #39Junior Member
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Backloading is an added step and an added step increases the odds of an issue with sterility. Anyone doing this should be extra careful with all the steps (washing hands, swabbing vial, swabbing skin and of course not breathing on the pin etc lol). I have been using backloaded 1/2" slin pins to injected trt inter muscle for a year without issues.
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