TRT - Self Administered?

[gbrice75]

Do you live in southern California? LOL never heard of that drug either. IMO just stay with the standard TRT protocol for at least 6 months then consider adding other things.

lol no, why!?! I agree - I don't plan to fill the prescription, i'm just curious as to why he'd prescribe it without me making a single mention of DHT. PS - Finasteride basically inhibits the conversion of test into DHT, but is also known to have quite a few sides, potentially dangerous ones. That's why i'm surprised he just offered it to me without me ever mentioning anything.

Look at this link and see if it helps. More in the finding a doc sticky.

http://www.a4m.com/directory.html?page=3&find=find

What area of NJ? I'm familiar with a good doc in the Cherry Hill area if you're near there. PM me.

Thx Kel, gonna check it out now. Re: Cherry Hill - damn, i'm on the East Coast, near Red Bank, literally 10 mins from the Ocean. Cherry Hill would be a hike, but if I strike out with finding a new doc, I may have to take you up on that. Thanks, much appreciated!

[bass]

lol no, why!?!

Because I have a good doc!

[gbrice75]

Because I have a good doc!

Gotcha! I wish.

Bass et al., what do you think about my doc doubling my HCG dosage before even having started it?

I also forgot to mention previously that I talked to him about donating blood, how I learned from 'sources' that it's a good and necessary practice for those on TRT, etc. He said it certainly wasn't a bad idea, and a lot of people (not necessarily on HRT) do so to clean the iron out of their blood, but that of all the people he has on TRT, probably 3% of them need to do this, that blood tests never come back with anything that he's even remotely alarmed with. He said donating blood is much more necessary with anabolic steroid users. I'm not informed on the subject enough to get into it with him, so I let it go. But obviously I will likely need to donate monthly as discussed here.

[bass]

hCG is way too high, most of us here do 1000 a week tops, some do as low as 125 twice a week. the way clinics prescribe it is to take two 500 iu shot ed two days before you one weekly test shot. and if you are doing twice a week then do one shot one day before test shot then take your AI one day after test shot. once you get you follow up BW you will see your LH and FSH are almost shut down, that’s when you know you need to get on hCG or your boys will suffer.

TRT raises your RBC and Iron, and it keeps going up to the point of making your blood thick to dangerous levels, your RBC, Hemoglobin and Hematocrit will go above normal. Donating will bring balance to all of them, make you healthier and help others!

[gbrice75]

hCG is way too high, most of us here do 1000 a week tops, some do as low as 125 twice a week. the way clinics prescribe it is to take two 500 iu shot ed two days before you one weekly test shot. and if you are doing twice a week then do one shot one day before test shot then take your AI one day after test shot. once you get you follow up BW you will see your LH and FSH are almost shut down, that’s when you know you need to get on hCG or your boys will suffer.

Tbh, I wasn't even planning to wait for BW, I wanted to start HCG right away just didn't have it. I am having 20,000iu shipped to me so very soon i'll be gtg. I plan to stick with the 1000iu weekly; i'll likely do 300iu 3x weekly as a few members suggested earlier in this thread.

TRT raises your RBC and Iron, and it keeps going up to the point of making your blood thick to dangerous levels, your RBC, Hemoglobin and Hematocrit will go above normal. Donating will bring balance to all of them, make you healthier and help others!

I definitely plan to do it. Whether the doc agrees I need it or not doesn't really matter. So far, he appears to be willing to write me a script for just about anything I ask for (and even things I don't ask for, see Finasteride lol)!

With any luck, i'll be in better hands soon. I have an appt with a real endo on 10/10, and also found a DO in the link Kelkel provided above (thanks Kel!) who happens to be in my insurance network, so if I strike out with the endo, i'll immediately schedule a consultation with the DO.

Either way, I may keep this guy 'on hand' just in case I need anything down the road. i.e. I don't think i'll tell him i'm seeing other docs, might just keep up appearances in his office here and there to look legit.

[kelkel]

GB don't just waste appointments. Call the staff and interview them briefly regarding treatment protocols (can't hurt.) One of the nurses will give you the low-down. You don't need to waste your time and theirs.

[gbrice75]

GB don't just waste appointments. Call the staff and interview them briefly regarding treatment protocols (can't hurt.) One of the nurses will give you the low-down. You don't need to waste your time and theirs.

I agree with you 100%. When I started my 'quest', I did exactly that - called, asked if they 'dealt with' TRT, then scheduled an appt. My first was a flop and complete waste of $175. I'm a bit wiser now and definitely ask a few key questions first. I don't want to get to an appt. just to find out they'll only prescribe gel or something. At this point, I feel I have the upper hand. I'm already prescribed TRT by another physician. I just simply tell them i'm looking for a good doc who will continue prescribing my current protocol (injectable, self-administered, AI, HCG , etc) but work with me to monitor BW and adjust accordingly to maximize benefits and minimize downsides.

[Shol'va]

Gotcha! I wish.

Bass et al., what do you think about my doc doubling my HCG dosage before even having started it?

I also forgot to mention previously that I talked to him about donating blood, how I learned from 'sources' that it's a good and necessary practice for those on TRT, etc. He said it certainly wasn't a bad idea, and a lot of people (not necessarily on HRT) do so to clean the iron out of their blood, but that of all the people he has on TRT, probably 3% of them need to do this, that blood tests never come back with anything that he's even remotely alarmed with. He said donating blood is much more necessary with anabolic steroid users. I'm not informed on the subject enough to get into it with him, so I let it go. But obviously I will likely need to donate monthly as discussed here.

I'm hoping that is just a typo and you mean every other month. The blood donor banks here in Mo.will only allow every 2 months minimum. The bad thing for me is they use a friggen 16 gauge needle to shove up in your vein. The needle is almost a big as your poor ole vein in your arm. And they say well your gonna feel a slight sting all while they replace the wood piece they put in your mouth as you have just bitten it into two pieces. I've felt less pain when things are shoved into other areas. Ok I'm a wuss..lol

[bass]

I'm hoping that is just a typo and you mean every other month. The blood donor banks here in Mo.will only allow every 2 months minimum. The bad thing for me is they use a friggen 16 gauge needle to shove up in your vein. The needle is almost a big as your poor ole vein in your arm. And they say well your gonna feel a slight sting all while they replace the wood piece they put in your mouth as you have just bitten it into two pieces. I've felt less pain when things are shoved into other areas. Ok I'm a wuss..lol

Wait a minute Shol! you donate?! do you answer all questions honestly?

[gbrice75]

I'm hoping that is just a typo and you mean every other month. The blood donor banks here in Mo.will only allow every 2 months minimum. The bad thing for me is they use a friggen 16 gauge needle to shove up in your vein. The needle is almost a big as your poor ole vein in your arm. And they say well your gonna feel a slight sting all while they replace the wood piece they put in your mouth as you have just bitten it into two pieces.

WTF? I understand getting things done quickly, but this is BS!!! Nobody's sticking a 16g needle in me!!

I've felt less pain when things are shoved into other areas.

[bass]

its not that bad unless the idiots go through your vein and right into the muscle, they did that few times to me and gave me a blue arm for two weeks! shit even i can do it with one hand tied behind my back, sort of!

[kelkel]

I agree with you 100%. When I started my 'quest', I did exactly that - called, asked if they 'dealt with' TRT, then scheduled an appt. My first was a flop and complete waste of $175. I'm a bit wiser now and definitely ask a few key questions first. I don't want to get to an appt. just to find out they'll only prescribe gel or something. At this point, I feel I have the upper hand. I'm already prescribed TRT by another physician. I just simply tell them i'm looking for a good doc who will continue prescribing my current protocol (injectable, self-administered, AI, HCG, etc) but work with me to monitor BW and adjust accordingly to maximize benefits and minimize downsides.

Outstanding GB. Couple simple questions get it done.

I'm hoping that is just a typo and you mean every other month. The blood donor banks here in Mo.will only allow every 2 months minimum. The bad thing for me is they use a friggen 16 gauge needle to shove up in your vein. The needle is almost a big as your poor ole vein in your arm. And they say well your gonna feel a slight sting all while they replace the wood piece they put in your mouth as you have just bitten it into two pieces. I've felt less pain when things are shoved into other areas. Ok I'm a wuss..lol

Hysterical Shol'va!

[dreadnok89]

Hey gbrice, im a new member man. I live right next to u in highlands. You find any descent doctors? If you dont mind telling me. Get this bud, every year my test was getting lower and lower. I wasstill lifting heavy, i was still doing 405 on the flat bench but it took forever to recoup. Im glad i went to my doctor. Hes not to good in the hrt section tho.

[Shol'va]

Wait a minute Shol! you donate?! do you answer all questions honestly?

No because some are too personal. However, since they check the blood for those diseases anyways I don't feel bad about that part. And before I ever started donating, I privately asked off record one of the techs who worked there, who was gay, if they check all blood every time for HIV and such and he said absolutely yes without fail. And if It comes back tainted the blood is flagged and tossed out and the donor is contacted right away and put on a list to never be accepted again. And besides I'm as careful as one can be when I do my private thing anyways. Plus I get checked regularly for those diseases. Negative every time knock on wood.. I would never ever donate if it weren't checked. I would never want something like that on my conscience. Although some druggies don't give a flying fvck when they donate for more drug money at other places that pay for blood donations.

[gbrice75]

Hey gbrice, im a new member man. I live right next to u in highlands. You find any descent doctors? If you dont mind telling me. Get this bud, every year my test was getting lower and lower. I wasstill lifting heavy, i was still doing 405 on the flat bench but it took forever to recoup. Im glad i went to my doctor. Hes not to good in the hrt section tho.

I haven an appt with an endo next month, but he's not really in our area - he's in Piscataway. I'll let you know how it goes if you're interested.

[gbrice75]

Update: So I received my HCG in the mail (mailed from a pharmacy my doc deals with and ordered for me from). I reconstituted it but want to make sure I did it right, and will be dosing correctly. Bear with me guys, i'm practically retarded when it comes to math.

10,000iu in a 10mL vial
10mL Bact. water in a separate vial

I drew all the water out and added to the HCG vial and lightly shook it up. So I should be looking at 10mL = 10,000iu HCG, or 1mL = 1,000iu (my weekly dosage) HCG. Now, for actual dosing:

I have 31g insulin pins, they're 1/2mL each. The markers start at zero and goes up to 50 - so when full, I should be looking at 500iu HCG. If i'm correct, then I should be filling these to the 30 marker (300iu) as I'll be pinning these 3x weekly, putting me at ~900iu weekly. Is my math all accurate so far? I know guys, this is 2nd grade shit. Please don't hold it against me!!

Now, I see people dosing HCG on certain days (e.g. day before pinning, etc) but don't really see the rationale behind it. I currently pin my test Sunday mornings and Wednesday evenings, and would like to keep it simple and pin my HCG Mon/Wed/Fri. Any problem with that, seeing as none of those days fall before a test shot?

Thanks as always for your help!

[bass]

you could have saved yourself the huge hCG injection and mixed it as outlined in GDevine's thread (hCG Sticky), you could have done 2 ml water per 5000 ius! you should be fine though, and next time DON"T shake it, simply Roll it in your hands gently, do this only when you constitute the hCG, no need to repeat. based on your math you are correct, full syringe 1/2 ml = 500iu.

[kelkel]

Go here: http://peptidecalculator.com/calculator.php This way you will see exactly what you're doing and be confident with it.

Next time you load don't use all the BA. Only use 4ml and for example if you pulled back to 10 on your pin you'd be at 250 IU. MWF is just fine. It's actually what I do and several others here. Have you by chance read GD's sticky on HCG ? Good read and goes into mixing, etc.

kel

[gbrice75]

you could have saved yourself the huge hCG injection and mixed it as outlined in GDevine's thread (hCG Sticky), you could have done 2 ml water per 5000 ius! you should be fine though, and next time DON"T shake it, simply Roll it in your hands gently, do this only when you constitute the hCG, no need to repeat. based on your math you are correct, full syringe 1/2 ml = 500iu.

Thanks man. I kind of just wanted to make it easy (there again with the math) and have 1mL = 1000iu or my weekly dosage. I haven't read GD's sticky but will now!

Go here: http://peptidecalculator.com/calculator.php This way you will see exactly what you're doing and be confident with it.

Next time you load don't use all the BA. Only use 4ml and for example if you pulled back to 10 on your pin you'd be at 250 IU. MWF is just fine. It's actually what I do and several others here. Have you by chance read GD's sticky on HCG ? Good read and goes into mixing, etc.

kel

Thanks Kel. I have another 10,000iu waiting for when I need it, so i'll check out his sticky and rethink my ratios next time. Glad to know that there's nothing wrong with what I did, per se.

[dreadnok89]

i started using hcg cause the andro gel i was on shut off my sac. i dont like using hrt without hcg. when my sack gets smaller and shrivelled up i noticed i have alot more pissing more at night and its highly annoying. i just ran out of hcg :{

[Technologist]

Wait a minute Shol! you donate?! do you answer all questions honestly?

Actually Doctor Prescribed TRT is allowed by "some" Hospitals (I would be careful on that one as some might black list you). I donated at Hoag in Newport and when my Hemoglobin was above 18 they allowed me to donate because TRT raises Hemoglobin but the donated blood is not hurt by TRT.

Also I've temporarily dropped my Hemoglobin to 14.7 by taking glycergrow (Glycerol MonoStearate) Glycerol really does increase the concentration of the fluid in your blood. That added vascularity is a higher blood volume and hence it's diluting your blood. It's very effective if you need to slip under the cut off point on the Hemoglobin test. It can temporarily knock your Hemoglobin down 1-2 points. Glycerol raises blood pressure in some people so if you have borderline high blood pressure is could raise it enough to disallow the donation.

[Technologist]

Without my asking, he prescribed me Proscar (Finasteride). When I asked why, he said something to the effect of "with the direction you're going with this, you might as well..." and I really didn't ask for further explanation. At the time, I wasn't sure what Proscar was (i.e. I didn't know it was Finasteride) so figured i'd just research when I got home. From what I've read about Finasteride, i'd rather stay away from it unless I actually need it. What do you guys think about him prescribing this, and about the drug in general?

He's prescribing it preemptively for your prostate 5mg or 1mg for hair loss. The stuff is not something you want to take. Just read the endless anti Finasteride forums of men messed up for years or life from the permanent Finasteride side effects.


Example:

propeciahelp.com

[kelkel]

^^^Agree. Just start low dose daily cialis for BPH and all the other added benefits.

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsro.../ucm274642.htm

[gbrice75]

i started using hcg cause the andro gel i was on shut off my sac. i dont like using hrt without hcg. when my sack gets smaller and shrivelled up i noticed i have alot more pissing more at night and its highly annoying. i just ran out of hcg :{

I've been wondering about this. How bad can it get, physically? I realize it's not supposed to happen overnight, but I can SWEAR my nuts are shrinking. I'm willing to bet it's placebo and/or psychosomatic... but I can't help it. How small can one expect (if one were to inject exogenous test with HCG indefinitely) their testes to shrink? Literally like raisins?

He's prescribing it preemptively for your prostate 5mg or 1mg for hair loss. The stuff is not something you want to take. Just read the endless anti Finasteride forums of men messed up for years or life from the permanent Finasteride side effects.


Example:

propeciahelp.com

Agreed, I've read plenty on Fina and am not interested in taking it. Too many negatives from what I've read.

^^^Agree. Just start low dose daily cialis for BPH and all the other added benefits.

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsro.../ucm274642.htm

Not familiar with benefits of Cialis, but i'll check out the link, thanks. Re: BPH - do you feel this is something that should be dealt with proactively/preventative, or addressed if/when needed? i.e. are there cases where the prostate isn't affected negatively at all in some people?

In the meantime, I should have my 1 month lab results within a few days. I'm very curious to see test levels, because to be honest i'm at the tail end of week 6 and still don't really feel/notice any benefits. Which leads back to my 'irrational/paranoid thoughts'. Read on...

I inject in my quads only (just easiest for me) and currently use a 1" pin. My legs aren't particularly fatty (but nothing like Kel's lol) yet i'm wondering if I should switch to 1.5"? I am worried that i'm just not getting into the muscle enough. I'll await lab results to see where test levels are at, but I am curious about this.

Also started HCG Friday. 300iu injected right into my belly fat (which there is currently PLENTY of, so no problem pinching). Anybody prefer IM injections of HCG vs. SubQ? If so, why? Also, how does one accomplish this with a tiny little slin needle?

[kelkel]

Not necessarily proactively but it's just a great bonus (er) to cialis treatment. I don't do quads but I can't imagine a 1" pin not being effective. Never done IM with HCG . Stomach is just easy.

Try to be patient (not easy, we know.) People metabolize differently and there's no magic time frame to suddenly feeling great.

[gbrice75]

^^ Thanks Kel, as always.

PS - congrats on making Monitor!!! Excellent choice!!

[gbrice75]

This is my first set of labs since starting TRT. Blood taken approx. 5 weeks after starting. Brief refresher - i'm on 200mg test cyp/week split into 2 shots every 3.5 days. Started 300iu HCG 3x weekly (M W F) about a week ago. Note: I don't know exactly what to post other than the obvious (test, SHBG, E2, etc) but did get the metabolic panel, lipid panel, CBC, etc. I just don't know what's critical to post here and what isn't, so if you don't see it but want to, let me know and i'll throw it up here!

Lipids
Cholesterol, total 151 mg/dL (100-199)
Triglycerides 67 mg/dL (0-149)
HDL Cholesterol 47 mg/dL (>39)
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 13 mg/dL (5-40)
LDL Cholesterol Calc 91 mg/dL (0-99)
T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.2 ratio units (0.0 - 5.0)


CBC
WBC 9.7 x10E3/uL (4.0-10.5)
RBC 5.17 x10E6/uL (4.14-5.80)
Hemoglobin 15.8 g/dL (12.6-17.7
Hematocrit 46.1 % (37.5-51)
Note: There's quite a few more results for CBC. Let me know what else you'd like/need to see.

PSA Total+% Free
Prostate Specific Ag, Serum (Roche ECLIA methodology) 0.2 ng/mL (0.0-4.0)
PSA, Free 0.13 ng/mL (N/A)
% Free PSA 65.0 % (N/A)

Testosterone, Free & Total
Testosterone , Serum 1261 ng/dL (348-1197)
Free Testosterone (Direct) 32.7 pg/mL (8.7-25.1)

LH 0.1 mIU/mL (1.7-8.6) low, expected

FSH <0.2 mIU/mL (1.5-12.4) low, expected

Thyroxine (T4) Free (Direct) 1.13 ng/dL (0.82-1.77)

DHEA, Serum 58 ng/dL (31-701) note: need to start supplementing to bring this up

TSH 2.830 uIU/mL (0.450-4.500)

Estradiol (Roche ECLIA methodology) 23.8 pg/mL (7.6-42.6) Looking decent?? Note: I asked for the sensitive assay, but don't see that noted anywhere in the results... ??

Thyroxine (T4) 6.6 ug/dL (4.5-12.0)

Triiodothyronine (T3) 127 ng/dL (71-180)

SHBG, Serum 42.2 nmol/L (16.5-55.9) Note: This is about 10 points lower than my last labs before starting, but I still want to get it much lower. Started Vitamin D3, going to start Stinging Nettles next

Well, that's everything I have that I thought was of interest for our purpose here. Let me know what you think and what I should discuss with my doc. Next appt. to review these labs in 2 weeks.

[Vettester]

G, I read GD's comments on the other thread, and of course that is pretty spot-on from his part!

It does appear your program is quite effective. As GD mentioned, I also think you will ultimately need to tweak things down a bit in order to sustain a balanced program for the long-haul.

Plus, adding the DHEA as he suggested (plus look into Pregnenolone as well), it will also increase some conversion activity as it travels downstream. IMO, with adding those compounds, you could essentially reduce your test to 100mg or 120mg at most and be miles ahead of most!

Additionally, yes, the vitamin D will help with the SHBG, especially if stacked with nettle root. I also suspect your B12 might be low, and would encourage cycling B12 methylcobalamin throughout your protocol ... I can discuss my protocol with this if you're interested.

Lastly, it would IMO be beneficial to see your metabolic profile, just to make sure some of your organ functions are in order. In time, as you get further into your protocol, your RBC's and hematocrit values will probably take a turn for the negative. Donating blood on a regular basis will be the best way to keep that in check.

Good job for grabbing hold of this and staying committed. It's just a process of patience and determination! "We get by with a little help from our friends."

[kelkel]

What Vette said. TSH a tad high. More modern scale is .3 - 3.0 but your metabolism is undergoing many changes right now so see where it is on your next panels. Glad your shbg dropped. It did so because of the added test. Quickest way to drop it is to increase your test dosage, which you did. Only time will tell where it stays. D and nettles should hopefully impact it over time as well. If all else fails when it comes to shbg look into Danazol down the road. Crisler will use it if needed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6594001

kel

[t-dogg]

great read. keep us posted.

[gbrice75]

G, I read GD's comments on the other thread, and of course that is pretty spot-on from his part!

It does appear your program is quite effective. As GD mentioned, I also think you will ultimately need to tweak things down a bit in order to sustain a balanced program for the long-haul.

No doubt. Ready and willing.

Plus, adding the DHEA as he suggested (plus look into Pregnenolone as well), it will also increase some conversion activity as it travels downstream. IMO, with adding those compounds, you could essentially reduce your test to 100mg or 120mg at most and be miles ahead of most!

That'd be awesome!! I do plan to supplement both DHEA and Preg.

Additionally, yes, the vitamin D will help with the SHBG, especially if stacked with nettle root. I also suspect your B12 might be low, and would encourage cycling B12 methylcobalamin throughout your protocol ... I can discuss my protocol with this if you're interested.

Definitely interested. I've seen some say they felt B12 was a waste of time, and others who swear by it.

Lastly, it would IMO be beneficial to see your metabolic profile, just to make sure some of your organ functions are in order.

Can you let me know some specifics as to what you'd like to see? I'm just not very good at reading these reports and don't know what is what other than specific names that jump out at me (e.g. estradiol, testosterone , etc)

In time, as you get further into your protocol, your RBC's and hematocrit values will probably take a turn for the negative. Donating blood on a regular basis will be the best way to keep that in check.

Definitely. Both looked high, based on the given range. Not above, but close to the top number of the range.

Good job for grabbing hold of this and staying committed. It's just a process of patience and determination! "We get by with a little help from our friends."

Thanks for your support brother!

What Vette said. TSH a tad high. More modern scale is .3 - 3.0 but your metabolism is undergoing many changes right now so see where it is on your next panels.

This would also explain why I have a tough time shedding bodyfat once down to the 11-12% range.

Glad your shbg dropped. It did so because of the added test. Quickest way to drop it is to increase your test dosage, which you did. Only time will tell where it stays. D and nettles should hopefully impact it over time as well. If all else fails when it comes to shbg look into Danazol down the road. Crisler will use it if needed.

Thanks for the info. Will be starting with D and Nettles and monitor. Not sure how long I should give it however - 3 months?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6594001

kel

Thx as always Kel!

great read. keep us posted.

Thanks T, appreciate the support!

[t-dogg]

I sent you a pm also btw.

[Vettester]

G., on the metabolic panel, we are looking at various things, including kidney function, possible stress indicators on the liver with enzyme tests, and various urinalysis & protein tests. The metabolic panel will usually be an all inclusive set of assays, so no need to order a al carte.

On the B12, look for the methylcobalamin in liquid. You can cycle it in every couple of months with your TRT protocol with just adding 500mcg with each injection for a month. The standard version is cyancobalamin, which is chemically synthesized and contains the cyanide molecule (seriously). Methyl is what you will find naturally in plants and tissue, and is bio identical to what's produced in your own body. That is the stuff that works, and I am pretty confident that you will see it's benefits. It's a little pricey (or can be), and it's not as easy to locate. Ask your doc if he can write a script.

[gbrice75]

G., on the metabolic panel, we are looking at various things, including kidney function, possible stress indicators on the liver with enzyme tests, and various urinalysis & protein tests. The metabolic panel will usually be an all inclusive set of assays, so no need to order a al carte.

On the B12, look for the methylcobalamin in liquid. You can cycle it in every couple of months with your TRT protocol with just adding 500mcg with each injection for a month. The standard version is cyancobalamin, which is chemically synthesized and contains the cyanide molecule (seriously). Methyl is what you will find naturally in plants and tissue, and is bio identical to what's produced in your own body. That is the stuff that works, and I am pretty confident that you will see it's benefits. It's a little pricey (or can be), and it's not as easy to locate. Ask your doc if he can write a script.

Thx for all the info Vet. Sorry, I should have been more specific re: the metabolic panel. What would you want to see in terms of the test? i.e. what specific 'words' should I look for so I know what to post up here?

[MickeyKnox]

including the info provided by GD, all of this is outstanding! ive been waiting for this.

[Vettester]

Thx for all the info Vet. Sorry, I should have been more specific re: the metabolic panel. What would you want to see in terms of the test? i.e. what specific 'words' should I look for so I know what to post up here?

Specifically looking at enzyme tests related to liver function (ALT, AST, Billirubin), Kidney (BUN & Creatine), Electrolytes (Chloride, CO2, Potassium, Sodium), Glucose & Calcium, and your total protein, including Albumin. In some cases they will also take a urine sample to gather additional related information.

[gbrice75]

Specifically looking at enzyme tests related to liver function (ALT, AST, Billirubin), Kidney (BUN & Creatine), Electrolytes (Chloride, CO2, Potassium, Sodium), Glucose & Calcium, and your total protein, including Albumin. In some cases they will also take a urine sample to gather additional related information.

Thanks man. They didn't take a urine sample this time, but when I have the results in my hands (i'm at work currently, can't you tell!?! ) i'll post up what I do have. I recall seeing BUN, Creatine, etc.

[xcedrin]

I have low T 116 and free t of 5.3. I have been trying to get future wife pregnant for 4 years. Which is how I found out about this. Just thought I was different than everyone for the longest time. Now I'm anxious but nervous to get on T. My swimmer count was normal at 110.3 million and im wondering how much will the therapy effect this? Current endo will not prescribe T until we are successful in trying. However called a low t clinic who suggested i get on T now. I'm afraid of the possibility of never being able to produce swimmers again. Advice and/or thoughts? I'm anxious to get on TRT as I feel I have lost focus, lots of energy, tired, really lost interest in the gym after finding this out but still go on a regular basis, and other common syptoms associated with low T.

[MickeyKnox]

I have low T 116 and free t of 5.3. I have been trying to get future wife pregnant for 4 years. Which is how I found out about this. Just thought I was different than everyone for the longest time. Now I'm anxious but nervous to get on T. My swimmer count was normal at 110.3 million and im wondering how much will the therapy effect this?

welcome to the forums xcedrin.

please start your own thread with this question and people will be more than happy to address your concerns. thanks

[xcedrin]

Wasn't trying to hijack this thread just found it by a google search. Will do