Test E and Dbol first cycle

[Wayne55]

Sup guy, congrats on the progress so far. You better keep this thread upand running, im looking forward to it. plan on doing the same thing soon.

Train hard. Good Luck. Later

[Haro3]

cool thx man, im off today but ill post my workout tomorrow

[Haro3]

today was the start of week 4, injection #7 i was off by 1 injection. i havent stuck myself yet so ill let you konw how that goes. today was chest day and was AWESOME! strength has shot through the roof. with great form i inclined the 120s for 7. thats slow, deep, controled presses makin sure my chest does the work cuz my chest lags so im trying to really bring it up. then i did flat presses and on to weighted dips but after those 4 sets of heavy incline i was wasted so my other lifts were pretty light. nonetheless my chest was so pumped i couldnt get my shirt off in the locker room it was amazing. im lovin it now.

[ironaddict69]

damn. doin good. keep it up. im gunna try dbol soon too, only at 30 mg. its enough, i dont want a ton of water, or nosebleeds. any other sides u get from the dbol? any mental ones?

[Haro3]

damn. doin good. keep it up. im gunna try dbol soon too, only at 30 mg. its enough, i dont want a ton of water, or nosebleeds. any other sides u get from the dbol? any mental ones?

30 is usually what is recommended i bumped it to 50 as adviced by some experienced users and is working great for me. but i dont attribute my nosebleeds to the dbol . mentally not that i can think...weird dreams on occasion but im not sure if that can be linked to it..

[ironaddict69]

i meant like increased agression because of its androgenic profile. how about acne?

[Hellmaskbanned]

i meant like increased agression because of its androgenic profile. how about acne?

Also Dbol is supposed to make you feel a "well being" feeling or something. Do you feel happy confident and worry free?

[Haro3]

Also Dbol is supposed to make you feel a "well being" feeling or something. Do you feel happy confident and worry free?

sure do. no agression ironaddict and no acne either. ive noticed my face seem more oily..along with my hair. if anything i have drier skin....i feel bloated lately tho and today i was incredibly tired so i took the day off. i think its better to not lift when im fatigued than to put in a half ass workout. also i've noticed bad heartburn/acid reflux lately and i NEVER get that....not sure whats causin it.

[ironaddict69]

yeah if ur tired, deifnitely take a day off. i had to start lifting 4 days a week instead of 5. 2 days off wasnt enough recovery time for me. and ive heard of the sense of well being thing. you probably just dont notice it, most call it a feel good steroid .

[Haro3]

yea i dont lift more than 3 days without a day off....if not more than 1 day off sometimes. im paranoid about over training.

[RuhlFreak55]

you can't overtrain on steroids ..........you really just need to break down and get a pre workout energizer

[HORSE~]

you can't overtrain on steroids..........you really just need to break down and get a pre workout energizer

Yes you can......

[IBdmfkr]

you can't overtrain on steroids..........you really just need to break down and get a pre workout energizer

LMAO.. ARE YOU SERIOUS? I won't even comment on this one.

[GGallin]

Wow you cant overtrain on roids. Sweet next week I start my 7day regiment. 4 hours a day! I started my inj yesterday and this morning I woke up not tired for once and I wasnt grumpy like I normally am. Maybe that is do to the dbol I am stacking w/ the test.

[RuhlFreak55]

LMAO.. ARE YOU SERIOUS? I won't even comment on this one.

well you're king...."everyone overtrains all the time"........so i wouldn't expect you too

[RuhlFreak55]

i've seen workouts that go 6 days a week full out and strength and size gains are made all the time.....my brother for example.....i hate taking off days they're a waste of time that would be better spent in the gym. I don't believe that my CNS anyway or my bros requires no 1 day on two days off split.....if fact i think it's ludicrous. yea taking off days is ok but to the point some of you take it i wonder whether i should call you bodybuilders.......does ronnie or jay or marcus train like that?? hell no, and neither will i.......i have yet to be sore or "tired" going into a workout since the start of th is cycle and all my lifts keep shooting up as well as my size.

[Hellmaskbanned]

i've seen workouts that go 6 days a week full out and strength and size gains are made all the time.....my brother for example.....i hate taking off days they're a waste of time that would be better spent in the gym. I don't believe that my CNS anyway or my bros requires no 1 day on two days off split.....if fact i think it's ludicrous. yea taking off days is ok but to the point some of you take it i wonder whether i should call you bodybuilders.......does ronnie or jay or marcus train like that?? hell no, and neither will i.......i have yet to be sore or "tired" going into a workout since the start of th is cycle and all my lifts keep shooting up as well as my size.

I use to train 6 days a week, more body builder type exercises. Made pretty good size gains, got up to 240lbs 18% BF naturally at 18yrs old. But my strength wasn't that great. Now I have changed my routine to a olympic/power type of workout...push presses, snatches, cleans,squats ,pulls, etc..... Well let me tell you, on or off cycle if you lift with alot of intensity and right you will over train if you do it without adequate rest. I could see someone half assing bench press, do some curls, pushdowns , then next day lat pulls all with little effort by splitting up there muscle groups not over training. But if you train the big lifts with intensity you better rest or you will not gain shit.

By the way your comparing youself and your bro to ronnie , jay , and markus......What are your stats? Do you take what they take? Didnt think so. + markus uses all machines which is a complete joke to my power training...I would get weaker and smaller doing that. Well with what he's taking someone with aids could get big doing pushups.

[Haro3]

quit arguing in my damn thread. :P

[IBdmfkr]

well you're king...."everyone overtrains all the time"........so i wouldn't expect you too

Did you pull that out of your ass, when have I stated "everyone overtrains all the time"?

I respect your right to disagree but don't be a bitch and try to slyly talk shit about it.. just state your opinion and I'll respond with mine. I don't claim to be right, I simply write my opinions and try to help guys out.. Many younger lifters overtrain, meaning that if they changed a few things up they'd probably see faster progression to their goal.

Btw, Ruhl.. please post your pics/stats and progress you've made over the last 3-5years so we can see what 6days/wk of training looks like?

Also when was your last show etc? You claim you wouldn't call us BB'ers because of our training programs, well I've put on close to 20lbs of muscle within the last 12months so I think I'll stick to what I'm doing. Half a dozen of my clients (all at different levels) have made considerable gains with a similar program, compared to my other trainees I'm using volume training on that seem to constantly hit Plateaus etc..

Your CNS doesn't get affected from training? Train harder.

Btw, sorry Haro.. back to your thread.

[RuhlFreak55]

well we know eachothers opinions and neither of us likes them.....so that is that.......and i'm pretty positive that no pictures exist of me from 5 years ago....i was still a fat little kid then....much different now......no i don't look like you as of right this instant....but if i'm not mistaken you have a couple years on me.....

[IBdmfkr]

well we know eachothers opinions and neither of us likes them.....so that is that.......and i'm pretty positive that no pictures exist of me from 5 years ago....i was still a fat little kid then....much different now......no i don't look like you as of right this instant....but if i'm not mistaken you have a couple years on me.....

What do you not like about my opinion? Have you personally tried it and compared the results? Didn't think so.

Stop with the "you have a couple years on me" excuses, the fact is you've never tried a different style of training then the one you're doing so you have no credibility to compare. Forget pictures of 5yrs ago, I'd like to see what a physique looks like with 5-6days/wk of training?

yea taking off days is ok but to the point some of you take it i wonder whether i should call you bodybuilders.......does ronnie or jay or marcus train like that?? hell no, and neither will i.......

This quote right here is where you're mistaken. Who are you to call anyone a bodybuilder? You don't know the first thing about what it takes to get on stage/train while completely depleted/or the preparation put into a contest(putting family,friends,and life on hold for months at a time).

P.S. You're not a Pro bodybuilder let alone a novice, so don't compare yourself to one.

[RuhlFreak55]

have i trained differently.....hell yes.....i've tried lots of different splits.....i've done 3 days on 1 off 6 days on 1 off......and 4 on 1 off now.....anymore rest for me is ludicrous.......

and no i've not done a show yet...first one is in july.....and i WILL be a pro

[IBdmfkr]

Goodluck with that..pics?

Haro appologize for the above wasted posts.

[RuhlFreak55]

Goodluck with that..pics?

Haro appologize for the above wasted posts.

yea...when the cycles over

[ironaddict69]

ooook BACK TO HAROS THREAD. but just to say my opinion, im pretty sure you can still overtrain on steroids . besides i feel stronger when i take my days off and come back in the gym.

[guest589745]

You look like you are in a pretty good condition to start a cycle IMO. You look good, hope you do well.

[Haro3]

You look like you are in a pretty good condition to start a cycle IMO. You look good, hope you do well.

thx man

[IBdmfkr]

Updates Haro? Recent pics looked great. deff filling out and putting on quality weight.

[guest589745]

http://forums.steroid.com/attachment...9&d=1160963851 http://forums.steroid.com/attachment...0&d=1156375811

Thought Id put both yer pics together. Keep it up.

[IBdmfkr]

Deff notice a difference in chest fullness/arms/forearms and delts.. keep it up!

[Haro3]

thx guys. no updates yet. like i said i took yesterday off cuz i just felt tired/worn out no point in lifting like that. todays hamstrings in about 20mins ill let u know how it went and as far as my morning weight im 220 now (steady) so that makes 16lbs in 3 weeks and 2 days. i dont wanna take new pics for atleast another week or so but ill let u know how it goes today in a little bit. thx i** ive been hittin my chest with a modified version of ur chest routine the one i told u bout and its makin a difference so ill stick with it for majority of the cycle and see how it goes.

[IBdmfkr]

Great, keep me posted! Also keep a log, it is imperative to making consistant gains.

[Haro3]

Great, keep me posted! Also keep a log, it is imperative to making consistant gains.

i keep a log, i just dont post it.

[IBdmfkr]

That's all that counts.. no reason to post it, too time consuming and doesn't help anyone but you.. keep it up.

[ironaddict69]

haro im likin ur progress. keep it up.

[Haro3]

well the gym was closed yesterday for homecoming. homecoming = gay x10000000 those bastards. sooooo needless to say i got 2!!!! days off. im going to lift back/bi's today, i rotate my back days between rowing/thickness days and width/lat days with bi's today is lats/bis and ill let you know how it went im expecting a WHICKED pump *fingers crossed* also dbol is almost up done this thursday makes the end of 4 weeks . also i've been feeling really bloated lately. havent changed anything in my diet...i had a cheat meal friday night but i doubt that could cause this feeling all the way to now but i dont know just thought id add that. also does the dbol "bloat" go away once u stop the dbol and the test kicks in or will it stay until the cycle is completely over...?

[IBdmfkr]

And I bet your grew even more with that extended day off lol..

[realjo1000]

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[guest589745]

i train 6 days a week and i'm concerned about overtraining too, thinking of cutting back to 5 days. but sometimes it's hard to tell if u are losing motivation in the gym because of overtraining or because you are plain lazy.

5 days a week is too much unless your WOs have little intensity. 3-4 max IMO is fine.

[GGallin]

You can see a good difference in your shoulders chest and arms. Great job man, even your forearms look bigger. I just started my cycle so hopefully I see good gains like that. I need to cut some fat as well. The only thing I could tell you is do some crunches or situps and get them abs popping out to complete the package.