Test E & Tbol Cycle Update

[Hellmaskbanned]

Post a pic of your T-bol.
If your gaining that much weight that fast, it's either Dbol or your a quick responder from test and you bloat alot.

[Johny-too-small]

Post a pic of your T-bol.
If your gaining that much weight that fast, it's either Dbol or your a quick responder from test and you bloat alot.

Unfortunately, I cant get pictures of it right away. I'll post some asap. I quit taking the "tbol" today, due to the possibility of it being dbol .

Could it be that I am running a "perfect" cycle? I work at home so my diet is spot on and I never miss a meal, I sleep 9-11 hours per night (in fact I have not seen 1 am in several months), and I work my ass off in the gym EOD. I consider my conditions to be "ideal" for this lifestyle. I do not drink any booze at all and a glass of whole milk would be a major cheat for me.

At any rate, we'll see what happens in the next days and weeks now that I have stopped taking "tbol."

[Hellmaskbanned]

Unfortunately, I cant get pictures of it right away. I'll post some asap. I quit taking the "tbol" today, due to the possibility of it being dbol .

Could it be that I am running a "perfect" cycle? I work at home so my diet is spot on and I never miss a meal, I sleep 9-11 hours per night (in fact I have not seen 1 am in several months), and I work my ass off in the gym EOD. I consider my conditions to be "ideal" for this lifestyle. I do not drink any booze at all and a glass of whole milk would be a major cheat for me.

At any rate, we'll see what happens in the next days and weeks now that I have stopped taking "tbol."

If your making good gains why would you stop it if it is dbol? Dbol produces much more muscle gains than TBol, because it is a stronger compound on paper...and it shows.

[Johny-too-small]

If your making good gains why would you stop it if it is dbol? Dbol produces much more muscle gains than TBol, because it is a stronger compound on paper...and it shows.

Only because this is my sixth week in and @ 60 mg/ed, Im a little worried about my liver. Should I not be?
At any rate, I ended the "tbol" a few days before I had originally planed.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Only because this is my sixth week in and @ 60 mg/ed, Im a little worried about my liver. Should I not be?
At any rate, I ended the "tbol" a few days before I had originally planed.

Yeah 6 weeks is enough.

[Johny-too-small]

Thanks for your interest, Hellmask.

Today's chest/tri workout was great. Strength is still going up noticabley.
Incline BB bench: 135x10, 185x8, 205x8, 215x6
Flat DB bench: 90x10,100x8,110x8
Decline BB bench: 3 sets of 225x8

Skull Crushers 3 sets, and Pulldowns 3 sets.
My chest and tri's looked very pumped and felt great. However, my chest didnt feel smoked yet, so I did 2 slow sets of cable-crossovers.

BTW, I dont feel the dreaded bloat anymore.

[Johny-too-small]

WTF! Thursday night's inject (left butt) resulted with the same horrible result that last Tuesdays did. I injected around 10pm and went to bed. Three hours later: coughing, freezing my can off, felt horrible then sweated like crazy....horrible night.

Hypothesis:

Oral-Turinabol to blame: "...Turinabol is reasonably fast (5), even though it is technically eliminated biphastically (in two stages) by the body, with a terminal 16hr ½ life (1). I think that the sports-doping-party-poopers (The NCAA and IOC) OT is notorious for increasing the time it will take for your blood to clot because it has spontaneous fibrinolytic properties. "Fibrinolytic effects" means that the destruction of fibrin (an insoluble fibrous protein produced in the liver from the soluble protein) is happening in your body. Fibrinogen is important during the blood clotting process, as it is a soluble protein in the blood that is converted to insoluble fibrin by the action of the enzyme thrombin in response to tissue damage. (6)(7) Thus, you will bleed for longer than usual when on this stuff, combine that with the fact that steroids raise your hematocrit and you´ll be spending your entire morning trying to stop the bleeding if you cut yourself shaving. Well, that´s probably an exaggeration, but not by much." (Steroid Profile)

The last six injects have been followed be ALOT of blood running from the inject site. In the first several weeks, there was no presence of blood. Could it be that this failure to clot blood is allowing the TEST to enter into the bloodstream very quickly?

Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Today's back/bis workout was incredible. Strength is still rising and I am noticing much more vascularity.

[Johny-too-small]

Todays inject was clean: no blood. We'll see what happens in the next few hours....

Anyway, one VERY noticable difference that I am seeing is the water bloat is gone. My skin is getting tighter around my muscles, vascularity is increasing, much more real definition. Of course I am not used to this look after two months and I thought that I was getting smaller, however, this is not the case. My weight is the same. Anyway, today is chest day. I will report later the results.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Todays inject was clean: no blood. We'll see what happens in the next few hours....

Anyway, one VERY noticable difference that I am seeing is the water bloat is gone. My skin is getting tighter around my muscles, vascularity is increasing, much more real definition. Of course I am not used to this look after two months and I thought that I was getting smaller, however, this is not the case. My weight is the same. Anyway, today is chest day. I will report later the results.

DId you change your diet?

If not, you had Dbol for sure. Tbol shouldn't bloat much at all.
Don't feel bad if it was dbol....Dbol=
Hows your strength? staying the same, decreasing , or increasing?

[Johny-too-small]

My diet is the same except that I have added 500 kcals/ed. I think you're right about the tbol being "dbol " and Im fine with it too. My strength is going up still. I added another 10lbs to my last set on BB bench press: 255 x 6.

I am starting to feel more tired, however. Ive been pushing myself really hard. Considering taking two or three days off to eat a ton and sleep. I am going to play it be ear.

[Johny-too-small]

I cant believe that there are 24 users in this thread (1 member and 23 guests) and Im the only member.

Hopefully this is helping you guys out..

[Johny-too-small]

Today I weighed in at 191 (first thing in the morning). I am losing water. There are veins popping up in my bicepts and forearms that I have never seen before. My legs and shoulders are becoming very defined compared to just a week ago.

Its leg day today and I am going to go all out. Well see if I can make gains even though I have obviously lost some fat and water. In a way, I kind of miss that soft, roundish look.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Today I weighed in at 191 (first thing in the morning). I am losing water. There are veins popping up in my bicepts and forearms that I have never seen before. My legs and shoulders are becoming very defined compared to just a week ago.

Its leg day today and I am going to go all out. Well see if I can make gains even though I have obviously lost some fat and water. In a way, I kind of miss that soft, roundish look.

Lets see some pic updates?

[Johny-too-small]

Okay, I'll post some updates in a few days....

Leg workout was the best ever. I felt like the only thing holding me back from doing more was that I just couldnt suck up enough oxygen. My legs felt stronger than I have ever felt and each time I added weight I handled it with no problem. I am assuming the the Test is really peaking right now. The only sides are that my knee joint (left) feels really "loose" and a bit achy. Other than that, when not working out I feel tired and a bit moody. I wake up almost every morning with a little headache.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Okay, I'll post some updates in a few days....

Leg workout was the best ever. I felt like the only thing holding me back from doing more was that I just couldnt suck up enough oxygen. My legs felt stronger than I have ever felt and each time I added weight I handled it with no problem. I am assuming the the Test is really peaking right now. The only sides are that my knee joint (left) feels really "loose" and a bit achy. Other than that, when not working out I feel tired and a bit moody. I wake up almost every morning with a little headache.

Hows your BP and water intake?

I also was feeling bad headaches throughout the day, then I increased my water intake and am currently feeling better....+ I'm taking new meds among other things, that could be contributing to the headaches.

Good to hear your strength is still rising even after stopping your """Tbol""""

[Johny-too-small]

Thinking about Summer cycle...want it to be a bulker (gain 10-15 lbs):

1-4: Test Prop @ 75 mg/ed
1-12: Test Enan @ 500 mg/ew
8-14: Test Prop @ 75 mg/ed (not sure about this...just thinking)

Any thoughts? I want to be a monster but think its too early for Tren ?

[Johny-too-small]

Hows your BP and water intake?

I also was feeling bad headaches throughout the day, then I increased my water intake and am currently feeling better....+ I'm taking new meds among other things, that could be contributing to the headaches.

Good to hear your strength is still rising even after stopping your """Tbol""""

My BP seems to be fine. It has risen a little in the last few weeks but still in the "normal" range. I am drinking about 1.5 gallons of water ed, the headaches are minor and usually are gone by late morning.

Yeah, that "tbol" was something, huh?

[Hellmaskbanned]

Thinking about Summer cycle...want it to be a bulker (gain 10-15 lbs):

1-4: Test Prop @ 75 mg/ed
1-12: Test Enan @ 750 mg/WK!
1-11: Deca @ 600mg/WK
8-14: Winstrol 50-100mg? /day


Any thoughts? I want to be a monster but think its too early for Tren?

^^^^

[Hellmaskbanned]

You might also want to extend the cycle a couple weeks if your a late kicker.
Thats a nice combo IMO.

[Johny-too-small]

You might also want to extend the cycle a couple weeks if your a late kicker.
Thats a nice combo IMO.

That looks pretty nice!!! I would have thought that would have been too much for a 2nd "real" cycle, but you're the boss. The deca is something that I have wanted to try out since day one.

[Hellmaskbanned]

That looks pretty nice!!! I would have thought that would have been too much for a 2nd "real" cycle, but you're the boss. The deca is something that I have wanted to try out since day one.

Mr. 60mgs of DBOL is saying thought that would be to much???...

Deca is great, along with winstrol ....Like I said to DD , it goes together like moonshine and my sister.... Whatever the **** that means

Test & deca=SIZE! + winny will lean you out really well + winstrols strength gains are great.

You will enjoy it.

[Johny-too-small]

Mr. 60mgs of DBOL is saying thought that would be to much???...

Deca is great, along with winstrol ....Like I said to DD , it goes together like moonshine and my sister.... Whatever the **** that means

Test & deca=SIZE! + winny will lean you out really well + winstrols strength gains are great.

You will enjoy it.

That was damn funny. Yeah, I think you're right. That will be my next cycle. God, I cant wait.

[Johny-too-small]

Today was back/bis. Again, strength continues to progress:

Bent Over Rows: 135x10, 165x 8, 2 sets of 185x8. YO!
Chins: 4 sets of 8. Man my ass is heavy!
Seated Rows: 3 sets 150x8

BB Curls: 3 sets of 100x8
Incline DB Curls: 3 sets of 35x8

I still weigh 191, but I am still making gains in the gym. I think the fat % is really dropping. Hunger is increasing.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Today was back/bis. Again, strength continues to progress:

Bent Over Rows: 135x10, 165x 8, 2 sets of 185x8. YO!
Chins: 4 sets of 8. Man my ass is heavy!
Seated Rows: 3 sets 150x8

BB Curls: 3 sets of 100x8
Incline DB Curls: 3 sets of 35x8

I still weigh 191, but I am still making gains in the gym. I think the fat % is really dropping. Hunger is increasing.

Whats that workout take, 20 minutes?

....NIce warmup so what was your workout?

[Johny-too-small]

lo, that might be like pushing air to you but its pretty taxing for me. Takes me an hour.

[Johny-too-small]

Did my shoulders today. Pretty good workout, nice and strong. Even though I am still making additional gains in the gym, I feel that the gains have began to peak out. I dont want to be too hasty on this judgement, however, as shoulders do take a while to grow as compared to other muscle groups, imo. Body is still very leaned out. I am eating more ed to pack on as much meat as I can. I wish I could get past the 200lb mark (LEAN!) but Im not sure if I can do it in the next four weeks or so. Any thoughts or opinions?


Also, no sides at all that I am dealing with...

[king6]

Just do another cycle in the future. Or bumb up your cals. How about some picture updates.

[timtim]

you dont need 900mg of test a week. you can blow up on alot less.

[Johny-too-small]

you dont need 900mg of test a week. you can blow up on alot less.

are you referring to the 2nd cycle that i laid out with hellmask?

[Johny-too-small]

8.5 weeks in through cycle.

Chest/Tris today. Feel very good but no major gains. I am trying to add weight every workout but that "easy" feeling has gone away. However, I am still happy with my workout progression.
I have no sides to speak of. People that know me very well have noticed that my bloat is gone and they can see my jaw line again. In addition, my body is showing a little more definition. My body weight has been in the mid 190's for several weeks now.
I am very happy with this cycle, however, I am wondering if going to 12 weeks is required. If my body continues to lean out and get "harder" and I lose more fat than I'll continue for that...If, though, not much more is going to happen than maybe I should end it at 10 weeks and save the Test for next cycle.

Any opinions?

[Johny-too-small]

All right, I've decided to go to my planned full 12 week cycle. In addition, I have added about 100 kcals to each meal. I think its paying off. In less than a week I’ve started to gain weight again. Last night I weighed in at 199lbs! I’ve never been this heavy in my life and its a welcome sight as I also am at the lowest bf% I’ve been since my wrestling years (many moons ago).

However, there was an added casualty observed today: the back hair looks like its on steroids too. My wife was quick to say, "Holy crap, your back looks like your butt!" Question: is this permanent?

[Johny-too-small]

Today, I had an epiphany.
I realized that I had been in a mental plateau for the last several weeks. I was working hard at the gym, eating good, sleeping enough, however, I was going through the motions. My weight until recently had stopped gaining and my gains in the gym lost its momentum. I realized that I needed to start really kicking some ass and get things in gear. I realized that I needed to get pumped for the last chapter of my cycle. I went balls out today on back/bis. Compare it to my last back workout:

Bent Over Rows: 135x10, 185x8, two sets of 195x8
Lat Pull Downs: 187x10, two sets of 205x8
Seated Rows (machine): 3 sets of 187x8
Chins: 3 sets of 8

I tried to improve in every aspect, and I need to maintain a fresh attitude. My new goal is to reach 200lbs solid by end of cycle.

[Johny-too-small]

Eating my butt off. I weigh 195 in the morning and 201 at night.
New sides: tiny acne bumps that scratch off on rear delts and shoulders, and body hair is growing fast.

[Johny-too-small]

Pics taken a few days ago after dinner, hence the big belly:

[king6]

How big are your arms now? And how big were they when you started the cycle?

[Johny-too-small]

How big are your arms now? And how big were they when you started the cycle?

16.75" Now. I dont know what they were before...much smaller though.

[king6]

Sweet, Im at 16 now, hopefully I can get to 17.5. How much longer is you test cyce?

[Johny-too-small]

Im on week 9 right now, going to 12. This is your first cycle?

[king6]

It will be, I will be using dbol instead of tbol. I think you will still grow a little more, seeing as its a slow ester test. Did you run duta or fina for hair loss?

[Johny-too-small]

No, my scalp became really itchy for a few days and a little hair did come out more than im used too (I am paranoid about any sides). However, I have had no issues at all since. The hair is thicker than ever and is speading all over the body.