Amorphic's First Cycle log: NPP/Prop

**Amorphic** · 07-11-2008, 07:12 PM

DAY 53

finally took the time to get back to the golds gym we have here instead of the shitbox gym thats a few mins away from my house.

back and biceps were fantastic today. i had access to a lot more equipment that i really like and i looked full and pumped all over. weights also felt great in my hands, very light and i felt stronger overall.

**pump.joe** · 07-12-2008, 07:06 PM

^^ +1

I know exactly what you mean. I had a free membership at Gold's for a year... whole different ballgame from my normal gym; so much easier to stay motivated there. Unfortunately, that free membership has expired. If it didn't cost $40/mo more, I would still be going there (even though it is farther away).

**Amorphic** · 07-12-2008, 10:06 PM

DAY 54

Off day today. still sleeping crappy but that will hopefully be over by monday when i visit the doc.

Still considering lengthening out my cycle a bit but cash is tight since i had some unexpected bills this week. we'll see how things go.

**Amorphic** · 07-13-2008, 10:03 PM

DAY 55

off day today and tomorrow since i have to go to the docs. back is still sore from my last workout at the new gym....best workout ive had in a long time.

**Amorphic** · 07-15-2008, 12:34 AM

DAY 56

got my sleeping meds today. shoulders and tri's tomorrow. hoping for a good sleep tonight.

**ironaddict69** · 07-16-2008, 02:48 PM

How did you get your back sore? I can never really get mine.

**Gears** · 07-16-2008, 06:38 PM

Hey, glad to see things are going well. Hopefully those sleeping meds will knock you out for a good 8+ hrs, sleep = good.

**Amorphic** · 07-17-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

How did you get your back sore? I can never really get mine.

heavy bent over barbell rows. golds here has a really nice hammer strength lat machine that absolutely kills my lats.

**Amorphic** · 07-17-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Gears

Hey, glad to see things are going well. Hopefully those sleeping meds will knock you out for a good 8+ hrs, sleep = good.

its going alright.

i know for a fact my stuff im running right now is underdosed, to what degree im not sure.

1400mgs a week is a heavy cycle and i know for a fact i should have a way higher sex drive, a lot more sides and a lot more weight behind me.

nonetheless i'll finish this cycle and have a quality 10-13 pound gain before i run human grade next.

**Amorphic** · 07-17-2008, 12:32 AM

DAY 58

legs are still really sore from leg day. Weight is still hovering at 220 and a touch above at times.

my pants are looser in the waist and i feel like ive lost a bit of bodyfat which is nice.

not too much longer left in this cycle.

**Amorphic** · 07-18-2008, 08:02 PM

DAY 60

Chest and traps today. still moving nice heavy weight. Got my sleeping meds a few days ago (zopiclone) but ambien is not available in canada unfortunately.

feeling good overall, not great though. From following along other cycle threads and conversing with others i know the stuff im on is severely underdosed and most of my gains are either mildly enhanced or mostly placebo effect.

nonetheless, i have a new human grade supplier that is the best of the best and i will be stocking up heavy with human grade gear to keep me ready for another 3 cycles.

i have dbol on the way and i am going to include it at 40mgs/ed for the remainder of my cycle to see if i can get that last 10 pounds ive been hoping for.

pct will be nolva/aromasin . i dont think recovery is going to be an issue at all considering i have hardly if any testicular atrophy at all.

we'll see what happens.

**Amorphic** · 07-20-2008, 10:02 PM

DAY 62

Off day today. my waist is leaning out considerably now that my diet is spot on. weight is around 222. i should have dbol by wednesday and will run it for 40mgs ed for 25 days.

Feeling alright, sleeping decently and overall look decent.

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 07-20-2008, 11:50 PM

Hey morph,

I don't usually read logs but I've just read this one from top to bottom and have to say that is a fantastic thread/journey you have going. I started my NPP/Pro (50mg ED) yday and was very happy to see this log... it is great because it covers so many aspects of cycling and the hurdles too: dealing with fake/underdosed gear, the importance of diet, persistence, injury/rehab, dealing with side effects and sometimes how you gotta listen to your body and skip a workout... you have displayed tremendous resilience and maturity.... I will keep coming to check back here often

I've done many cycles but this is the first time using NPP. On the whole, what would you say abt this compound? If you could, would you have added any compound to the cycle to give it more of a kick? Should I even bother with NPP??

cheers

**Amorphic** · 07-21-2008, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane

Hey morph,

I don't usually read logs but I've just read this one from top to bottom and have to say that is a fantastic thread/journey you have going. I started my NPP/Pro (50mg ED) yday and was very happy to see this log... it is great because it covers so many aspects of cycling and the hurdles too: dealing with fake/underdosed gear, the importance of diet, persistence, injury/rehab, dealing with side effects and sometimes how you gotta listen to your body and skip a workout... you have displayed tremendous resilience and maturity.... I will keep coming to check back here often

I've done many cycles but this is the first time using NPP. On the whole, what would you say abt this compound? If you could, would you have added any compound to the cycle to give it more of a kick? Should I even bother with NPP??

cheers

thanks for the post bro.

you're right about a lot of the things you mention.

for any noobs reading this i cant stress enough how important diet is. it will literally make or break your cycle and gains.

ive learned a lot so far, mostly that even on aas, gains are not as easy as they seem to the uneducated individual.

i know guys that have used less prop/npp than i have and have had better gains than me, so i have my suspicions about underdosing right now. i will say that npp is a good compound though. i love how my joints feel (unless im injured) and my strength is very nice, although not as great as i thought it would have been.

i'll keep things updated when i get my dbol to see how it compares to injectables as ive never run an oral before.

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 07-21-2008, 10:59 AM

^^^ I'll def keep u posted on my NPP results!!

cheers

**10nispro** · 07-21-2008, 04:53 PM

You are having some bad luck with either bad or underdosed gear....da** that sucks. It does sound like you are getting the hang of things, right down to sleep. You can definately tag this one up for a journey in life. I will say also, even though I know you are a smart guy, you have learned and accomplished lots and I applaud you for that. I will keep checking in.

**pump.joe** · 07-21-2008, 04:57 PM

Glad to hear you are getting some sleep now. Keep us posted.

**Amorphic** · 07-23-2008, 12:36 AM

DAY 64

Got my dbol today, will be running 40mgs ed for 25 days.

Chest and traps today. 110s on dumbbell flat bench for 4 sets feeling very nice.

weight is down to 216-219 but im leaning out. my diet is very dialed right now and although the weight loss is 'discouraging' from a scale perspective, the overall composition of my body is more pleasing.

will keep you guys posted on how the dbol treats me. i wanted to hit 230 this cycle but we'll see.

**Gears** · 07-24-2008, 06:44 PM

D-bol and milk; the secret to getting jacked.

**Amorphic** · 07-24-2008, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Gears

D-bol and milk; the secret to getting jacked.

im hoping the dbol is legit, ive always wanted to see what 'dbol pump' really feels like.

**Amorphic** · 07-26-2008, 01:31 AM

DAY 66

amazing tri and shoulder workout. intense pumps and very solid weights. i felt very agressive all day today too, not angry but very full of energy and just overall enthusiastic, but definitely in an 'agressive' way.

looking forward to more of this from the dbol.

**Amorphic** · 07-26-2008, 11:55 PM

DAY 68

Dbol is great. I feel so energetic and aggressive, its fantastic. weight is up above 220 again and i feel pumped and strong. back and bi's on monday, looking forward to it.

my bodyfat is definitely lower as well. i can see my abs when i flex again (albeit under bodyfat) but im guessing bodyfat is down to around 13% or a touch more.

**Amorphic** · 07-29-2008, 12:10 AM

DAY 71

Dbol pumps are outrageous. My lower back gets painfully pumped no matter what exercises i seem to do.

back and bi's today, felt nice, biceps are rock solid and pumped.

**Amorphic** · 07-30-2008, 12:16 AM

DAY 72

Nothing to report today, still feel pumped all the time.

took the day off from the gym since my sleeping pills arent working too well anymore and im totally exhausted. chest and traps tomorrow.

**dd0316** · 07-30-2008, 02:07 PM

read this top to bottom and i am very very uplifted and excited

CONGRATS ON FIRSTLY BEING CANADIAN..haha..BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY ABOUT BEING SMART, DOING THE RIGHT THINGS WITH SLEEP DIET, AND WATCHING AND LISTENING TO YOUR BODY. thats probably one of the biggest mistakes is people not listening to their body.

This thread top to bottom is byfar one of the best on steroid .com

Keep it up!

**Reed** · 07-30-2008, 02:15 PM

I've been following this thread since its beginning amorphic. It really is a awesome thread, congrats on all the progress. You should throw up some pics for everyone when your done

**stpete** · 07-31-2008, 11:57 AM

Nice log Amorphic. Keep up the good work man.

**Amorphic** · 07-31-2008, 06:32 PM

thanks for the comments guys, i appreciate it.

**Amorphic** · 07-31-2008, 06:34 PM

DAY 73

chest day yesterday was fantastic, very hard and amazing pumps along with a mild strength increase still.

legs today went well, hamstring pump was totally nuts.

overall i am pleased at the moment. Sleeping has been hard again as i cant sleep without zopiclone and ive only got enough for one night left.

i still cant believe we dont have ambien available in canada, i'll have to be visiting my doc again to see what other options i have for sleep remedy.

**thetank** · 07-31-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

DAY 73

chest day yesterday was fantastic, very hard and amazing pumps along with a mild strength increase still.

legs today went well, hamstring pump was totally nuts.

overall i am pleased at the moment. Sleeping has been hard again as i cant sleep without zopiclone and ive only got enough for one night left.

i still cant believe we dont have ambien available in canada, i'll have to be visiting my doc again to see what other options i have for sleep remedy.

valium. i dont know how tight your doctor is but that shit works.
still checkin this log every day, glad to see you are getting some good results off the dbol , keep it up brotha.
peace
tank

**Amorphic** · 08-01-2008, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by thetank

valium. i dont know how tight your doctor is but that shit works.
still checkin this log every day, glad to see you are getting some good results off the dbol , keep it up brotha.
peace
tank

thanks tank, always appreciate your comments.

**Amorphic** · 08-01-2008, 06:52 PM

DAY 74

Injections are over. I have enough dbol to last me around 15 days or so and i was contemplating running it until i ran out and then go into pct but im not too sure if i want to do that.

most likely i'll be starting pct in 2 or 3 days. nolva/aromasin .

Had a very close call at the gym today doing shouders. i had 80s up for military press and my right arm swung back and i almost popped my shoulder out. luckily i didnt hurt anything and i was able to finish my workout fine. next 2 days off for recovery.

**football2007** · 08-02-2008, 05:18 PM

try not to go for a certain weight....but rather a certain look.

If you aim for a weight, you may acquire more bodyfat than you intended..I have learned the hard way..

**TranscriptionFactor** · 08-02-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by thetank

valium. i dont know how tight your doctor is but that shit works.
still checkin this log every day, glad to see you are getting some good results off the dbol , keep it up brotha.
peace
tank

IMHO Valium or any other benzodiazepine is a poor choice - they are all addictive, one develops tolerance and the withdrawal is absolutely horrendous. I realize you would be planning on using it just short term, but Valium is especially not great choice even as a benzo b/c it has a long half life.

Ambien I like, though some people do some weird sleep walking/sleep eating on it. Ambien's not a Benzo, but it works in a similar way. Also use it only for short periods like not more than a couple of weeks b/c I've seen it also become addictive with withdrawal.

There is a relatively new drug called Rozerem which works specifically on one of the Melatonin receptors, the one which is responsible for sleepiness. (Unlike the OTC Melatonin which hits them all and has more side effects). So its cleaner, non habit forming, non narcotic etc. Anyway, the drug reps giving the dinner I went to were of course making it out to be awesome.

I forgot if you tried Benadryl, that works for me. I would try as much to avoid a prescription med as possible - maybe try Valerian tea. Anyone try Kava kava? I've heard its great.

Apropos of nothing, M.D.'s in the US are too quick to prescribe some stuff for sleep when most of the time people need to change something in their lifestyle and/or diet.

**pump.joe** · 08-02-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

Had a very close call at the gym today doing shouders. i had 80s up for military press and my right arm swung back and i almost popped my shoulder out.

I did something similar a few years ago reaching down and behind me to pull up the bar for skullcrushers. Kept me out of the gym for weeks, and to this day it still gives me trouble when I want to do certain movements like pull-ups. Ever since I am much more careful with any delt exercise.

**Amorphic** · 08-02-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by football2007

try not to go for a certain weight....but rather a certain look.

If you aim for a weight, you may acquire more bodyfat than you intended..I have learned the hard way..

yeah i have a mental problem with weight, i always want to see the scale go up. ive gotten better but i still like seeing weight gains on the scale.

**Amorphic** · 08-02-2008, 09:46 PM

PCT DAY 1

40mgs nolva/25mgs aromasin .

I ran out of sleeping meds and i had the most horrifyingly bad night ever last night. Slept like shit, feel like shit and my shoulder is sore.

I'm hoping things turn out alright, i already feel anxious being 'off'

**RANA** · 08-03-2008, 09:34 PM

My God, I can't believe you're starting PCT. Damn time flew-by.

**Amorphic** · 08-04-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

My God, I can't believe you're starting PCT. Damn time flew-by.

it sure did.

**Gears** · 08-04-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

PCT DAY 1

40mgs nolva/25mgs aromasin .

I ran out of sleeping meds and i had the most horrifyingly bad night ever last night. Slept like shit, feel like shit and my shoulder is sore.

I'm hoping things turn out alright, i already feel anxious being 'off'

It`s hard to notice something you get used to and you don`t feel what you had untill its taken away. Could be the sleeping pills but meh.