Test E, Tren E, Anadrol log

**Big** · 11-12-2008, 09:42 PM

you need more than that for pct, you need nolva and clomid as well in my opinion. otherwise you are most likely in for a long recovery.

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 09:45 PM

well to tell you the truth the cycles i did like over a year ago i never had a pct. My first cycle was just sustanon and i only ran it for a month and was fine after the 2nd cycle was deca only and was great until i got off and i didnt think i would ever be able to get my dick up again because I had zero sex drive and some other stuff it sucked. So i will just hold off on the HCG and start the letro. and at .25mg is that low enough to avoid the estrogen rebound or should i taper even lower before i completely stop taking it?

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Big

you need more than that for pct, you need nolva and clomid as well in my opinion. otherwise you are most likely in for a long recovery.

Thats the only problem is i cant really get a hold of any of that stuff anytime soon. For now im restricted to the HCG , letro, and anything that can be bought at gnc and places like that

**Reed** · 11-12-2008, 09:50 PM

I mean that is totally person dependent, I can't tell you for sure. Thats why a SERM is in need..... I would almost be leaning toward no PCT at all. Cause with letro you could kill you sex drive, come off then have gyno. I mean I've seen a few knowledgeable people lurk in this thread but no one is going to touch this with those two powerful drugs that can have serious sides without the other ancillaries on hand

**Reed** · 11-12-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by fattymcbutterpants

Thats the only problem is i cant really get a hold of any of that stuff anytime soon. For now im restricted to the HCG, letro, and anything that can be bought at gnc and places like that

Its better later then never. I'm sure you could find a place with overnight shipping....

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 09:57 PM

do you think if i just went no pct that the slight gyno will probably clear itself up eventually? Because it happened when i was on the deca cycle and i didnt have any pct or letro or anything and they were really sensitive for a while then they went back down to normal i guess.

**Reed** · 11-12-2008, 10:03 PM

Its possible that it may get worse. I mean your saying your gear is fake or underdosed so that leaves a lot of potentials. The only for sure thing is to order a SERM like nolva and run it. So you have gyno or not at the moment? Like Big said you may be in for a long and hard recovery if you don't get clomid or nolva. I know your scared with your parents but are they going to open the package or I guess you don't have a credit/debit card to order one.

**WARMachine** · 11-12-2008, 10:05 PM

No the gyno will not clear itself up over time...

And do NOT run the Letro... .25mgs is enough to cause an estrogen rebound bro...

Why cant you get Nolva and Clomid from AR-R .com????

And the hCG might help a lil, but right now we need to take care of PCT.

We can always run a gyno reversal after, but the most important thing is PCT.

**Ernst** · 11-12-2008, 10:09 PM

I do not feel comfortable giving any AAS advice to a sixteen year-old besides "No." I have to recommend you involve a doctor, but I'll thow something out 'cause I have a feeling you won't.

You need pct. A real pct. There is no debate here. No "I can't." One way or another order some clomi, nolva, and adex from the board sponsor. I recommend this because I know from personal experience that they shipped quickly and reliably. And no, they don't have aromasin .

Do you know how to properly mix and utilize hcg ?
Letro is not good for pct, as it will cause an estrogen rebound upon cessation of use.

mixing hcg:
Can anyone terll me how to mix hcg

Also, be aware that hcg can exacerbate gyno if you were already susceptible when used without protection. You may want to wait for your pct chems to arrive before starting that.

C_Bino's letro/gyno thread:
All you need to know about GYNO.

Will answer most how to use letro q's

Swifto's pct:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

Obviously, you can't follow it word for word, but you can come close.

Start taking 200mg of vitamin b6 every day starting right now. This is old school prolactin suppression, and it's proven (in rats) that it works (a little bit). Of course anecdotally it has reported success from bodybuilders.

I feel like I'm missing something.... Any questions? (or corrections from other esteemed members?)

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:12 PM

ok well i dont know. i think it might be gyno. Behind my left nipple there is sort of a lump but its not too obvious i can just feel it and my nipples look sorta big and puffy. And i do have a debit card because i put my checks from work into the account, but my parents see my monthly statement and they actually read it to see what ive been buying or spending so they would see i bought it and my parents are nosy so they would see the package and basically make me tell em what it is so that wouldnt be the best option. and i dont have many friends whose parents are cool with stuff getting sent to their house because it took me forever to find a place to get the roids sent and i cant send anything to his house anymore because he didnt tell his parents and when the package came in they bitched at him and told him he cant do it again or they will throw it away. So i mean really my only option is people. Anybody live in middle TN?

**WARMachine** · 11-12-2008, 10:16 PM

Thats gyno bro...

And wait, youre 16!!! Are you serious?

And no dude, your only option is to RUSH order a PCT from AR-R .com...

Dude just order it, email them when the package is suppossed to arrive, and on the day it does, BE THERE!!!!

Now is not the time to screw around bro...

**Ernst** · 11-12-2008, 10:16 PM

Mail: Can a sixteen year-old have their own PO Box?

Credit card: Buy an Amex gift card perhaps?

**Ernst** · 11-12-2008, 10:17 PM

It just shows up as "Lion Nutrition" on the statement anyway.

**Reed** · 11-12-2008, 10:18 PM

Sorry bro but your under 18 not the best of ideas for someone that doesn't know you to order things for you and come hand them to you..... catch my drift.

Go with what the other guys are saying. Letro is a bad idea for a PCT as is HCG . So unless you man up and order the SERMS your basically screwed. The end to that. I don't think anyone else can tell you what to do. Maybe get some 6 oxo or something of that nature IDK. But until you get the PROPER ancillaries I'd say we are done here. Sorry and Good luck

**WARMachine** · 11-12-2008, 10:18 PM

^^ Bingo!

Go to the grocery store and get a Visa gift card...

And put someone else's name on the shit just in case and send it to your house...

And no i dont think so bro, im sure you have to have a credit card to have a P.O. box...

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:21 PM

I thought you read the post i wrote saying i was 16 War. and well the thing is im in school i cant really be there when it gets here and my dad works at home so he is basically always home so he will know and that isnt an option for me my parents arent the most understanding. I wish i could get a PO box but you have to be 18 so i cant

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:26 PM

ok guys well thanks for the help. I guess there isnt really much i can do then because my parents arent the type when they find out about stuff like this they react well. they will flip out so i cant have it shipped to my house that just isnt an option really so im either going to have to go no pct or anything or just try some of the gnc stuff and the B6 thing because i have b6 vitamins i can take so that might help some

**Reed** · 11-12-2008, 10:28 PM

Sorry bro, just go with no PCT the B6 and grab you some 6oxo even though its not strong enough there is still evidence that it to boost your natty T levels to a significant degree. Thats all I can tell you.

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:33 PM

alright thanks for the advice guys i really appreciate it. So ill just leave the HCG and letro aside and hope the gyno clears up on its own and possibly run the letro later on if it doesnt. and take the B6 and 6oxo. Is 6oxo the best or would any of the others things like novedex xt or whatever its called or methyl 1 D work better?

**Reed** · 11-12-2008, 10:35 PM

no stick with 6 oxo. methyl 1 d is DHEA. Won't do much

And don't run the letro without a serm bro. just remember that

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:37 PM

alright man thanks so much. And what exactly does taking the B6 do?

**Ernst** · 11-12-2008, 10:38 PM

Prolactin suppression. You know, like really weak bromocriptine.

If you are going the supp route add some tribulus for your dick. I've never used it, but I'm told it works.

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:41 PM

is the tribulus still needed even with the 6oxo

**Reed** · 11-12-2008, 10:44 PM

yeah you can get this product called Test-A-Boost. it has 6 oxo, ZMA, and tribulus. I have ran it by itself and had good results, sex drive was through the roof

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:44 PM

is there another alternative to the 6oxo? I dont think gnc even carries it and all that we have around here is GNC

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:45 PM

o ok thanks Reed

**Reed** · 11-12-2008, 10:47 PM

I'm sure you can find other supplement stores in your town

**WARMachine** · 11-12-2008, 10:48 PM

also bro, DO NOT run letro unless you get your hands on some Nolva so you can handle the rebound, it will just make your gyno worse...

**Ernst** · 11-12-2008, 10:48 PM

GNC carried it last time I checked.

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:51 PM

alright i wont touch the letro man, and Reed i live in the middle of nowhere there isnt anything other than GNC within about 1 hour and 15 minute drive and i just found out they dont even have that test a boost stuff either they dont carry anything

**fattymcbutterpants** · 11-12-2008, 10:53 PM

o they might afterall then i just searched on their website and couldnt find either on there anywhere

***Admin*** · 11-13-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by fattymcbutterpants

ok guys fvck it. Its time to get this out here. Im 16. I have done all the cycles i have said, i also am as tall as i have said and everything no bs on that just my age. I just wanted to let you all know because im pissed about this cycle. my shit was underdosed or possibly fake and I have not seen anything like what i expected out of it so im done. But before i get banned or anything guys sorry for lying to any of you all on the whole age factor everything i have said has been true except for the age part.

Now just a little quick help. All i have is a ton of letro and some HCG . Nothing else for PCT thanks to my stupid supplier which i know its my fault too but anyways.

Ok so i stopped taking the tren about 2 or 3 weeks ago. I also took my last shot of testE 1 week ago so I am done injecting. I still have a little left of both but i dont wanna take em anymore.

SO what can i do with letro and HCG pct wise? because i really dont want to have a limp dick for a couple weeks or anything and my nips are slightly sensitive so very mild case of gyno possibly. I havent been taking the letro or anything lately so i pretty much have stopped taking everything.

Please help advise me guys, and again I apologize for lying but i was going to take them anyways and I figured why not try to do everything right instead of just sort of winging it

Yes you will be banned now and you need to take time to read thru and take time to educate yourself on things...

see you in a year and 3 months... enjoy!