12w LEAN BULK (TEST/PRIMO/VAR)

[MickeyKnox]

looks great man! i can see a big difference in your abs and lean muscle. good job!

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

much more lean...

I'd suggest looking into IF diet, that would mean eating all of your current meals between 12pm and 6pm.... that might help and will shock your system into dropping more body weight..

Thx man for the motivation about the if I'm Muslim and will start ramadan month next Friday for a month I'll have to fast from sunrise to sunset which leaves an 8 hour window for me to consume all my cals and water so I'll be ifing any way...
I'll keep u updated of the changes
*I'll try to eat 100g protein from chkn breasts +all my carbs in first meal
*post wo shake protein + fruits
*100g protein from steak or eggs+cottage cheese

So two solid meals and a shake
What do u think?

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

looks great man! i can see a big difference in your abs and lean muscle. good job!

Thx bro well see how it goes...

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Ramadan month started today this is the month where all Muslims have to fast (foo&liquids) from sunrise to sunset for 30 days
Well see how it goes!!!

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

End of week 4
Weight 78.8 and def leaner and more vascular
Strenghth is def up and general sence of well being
*i'm loving the test e
*im back to splits
Chest/tris
Back/bis
Shoulders/traps
Legs/clvs/forearms
I'll take a pic Tom
*im injecting 1.5 cc in each Tricep lateral head and The next inj 1.5cc in each long head
Im trying to get localized growth due to facia stretching....

[Brohim]

so no acne this time? Has the primo kicked in?

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

so no acne this time? Has the primo kicked in?

Zero acne till now zero bloat
I don't know but Though I'm not much bigger on the scale I look much bigger that everyone around me is telling me that this time im in much better shape than last time because ther is no bloat i think don't forget I've been on var for the past 6weeks and I'll stop today.
All in all till now I lost 2.7kg fat and gained 4kg of muscle that's ~9lbs of muscle.
I'm taking it nice and slow and looking for solid gains this time as I don't wish to get much bigger.

[texasmk4]

hats off for fasting and cycling.... definelty looking leaner keep up the diet.. I'll start mine after the ramadan..

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

hats off for fasting and cycling.... definelty looking leaner keep up the diet.. I'll start mine after the ramadan..

Thx bro
I'm having extreeeeeme difficulty controlling my carb intake on Iftar I go all crazy and then I have a shake protein only till I fast again meat or chicken no carb!!!
I've been wanting to experiment with the fasting and I'll keep u updated how it goes I'll take pics post ramadan to see what happens!!!

[Brohim]

How does the test/primo make you feel/look that is different than Var only yourve done?

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

How does the test/primo make you feel/look that is different than Var only yourve done?

Primo/test is much stronger than var only
And the mood and general well beeing is not to be compared to the low dose test I'm never cycling without test again and this is not easy for me to say as I was really determined to try to cycle without test but with low bf and the right diet test e is the besssssssst by faaaaaaaar nothing even comes close to test if u find ur sweet spot!!!
I'm even thinking of stopping the adex as I feel my e2 is getting to low.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

^^^stanazol test is gonna be my next cycle next year.

[deathdodger]

Looks like your cycle is going great good job man congratulations.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Looks like your cycle is going great good job man congratulations.

Thx man I'll keep u updated and I'll post pics at the end of week 8

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

I dropped the adex to .25 e3d as I don't have any signs of high e

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Can't control my appetite when I'm breaking the fast for the past week I'm going to bed now weighing 81kg thats 178 lb I'm thinking of bulking till the end of ramadan and then cutting for the final 4 weeks +2weeks before pct! As the fast really primes my body for absorbing every thing I eat and blowing up I feel I can get to. 190 by end of week 8 if I just let go...lol
But this is not what I want I have to keep reminding myself as I want solid gains with reduced bf I can keep post pct!!!

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

I feel a lil more bloated today but just a tiny bit I see it in my nose it's combo of both lowering the ai and eating stuff I should not eat like high sodium containing foods or maybe the test is kicking in don't know to many variables the past week
but if bloat gets noticeable I'll go back to .5 adex e3d As I lowered it cause I was having sides I thought were related to low e2 that's why I lowered the dose
I'll try to fix my diet first and see what happens as I'm feeling lil better sexually since I lowered the ai so I'll try to control bloat through food!!!

[texasmk4]

Thx bro
I'm having extreeeeeme difficulty controlling my carb intake on Iftar I go all crazy and then I have a shake protein only till I fast again meat or chicken no carb!!!
I've been wanting to experiment with the fasting and I'll keep u updated how it goes I'll take pics post ramadan to see what happens!!!

same here bro, when i see all the goodies on a food table its kind of hard to control, just hang in there dont give up!! i am just taking it easy fasting and skipping gym.... I've come up with my own iftaar recipie take a bowl of milk put 3 big dates, oat meal, almonds, some egg whiles and a scoop of protein cook it on stove for about 5 mins leave it out until it cools down then stick it in the refrigerator when its time to break fast eat it... it holds you pretty good.....

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

same here bro, when i see all the goodies on a food table its kind of hard to control, just hang in there dont give up!! i am just taking it easy fasting and skipping gym.... I've come up with my own iftaar recipie take a bowl of milk put 3 big dates, oat meal, almonds, some egg whiles and a scoop of protein cook it on stove for about 5 mins leave it out until it cools down then stick it in the refrigerator when its time to break fast eat it... it holds you pretty good.....

The problem is I workout two hours just per iftar and here in Egypt I'm invited everyday to friend and family iftars..... So I eat for like 2 hours continuous but I only eat two meals which evens it out calorie wise but macro ratios is totally out of wack.
What I'm doing these 4 weeks is sort of experimental for me and I'll see how it goes I'm going out for soho ur now I'll try to eat protein only it helps a lot wash away he straight cals from Iftar.
Good luck and try working out before Iftar u will love it just try it one muscle Ed at first if ur tired
Me personally I do two muscle groups Ed + 5sets for weak body part Ed .

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Can't control appetite so getting bigger

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Some pics I took today in the morning

[deathdodger]

Your doing a great job congratulations.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Your doing a great job congratulations.

Thx bro I'll try to keep up the coming 3 weeks while am still fasting cause I only eat 2 meals and a shake so cutting is pretty hard then I'll have 6 more weeks to cut till pct.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

"Knowing that the gear ur using is not liver toxic takes a lot Offff ur chest while cycling"

[texasmk4]

How's var coming along??? did you notice any muscle and strength loss during ramadan?

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

How's var coming along??? did you notice any muscle and strength loss during ramadan?

I stopped var by the start of ramadan!
I gained some strenghth for sure and since the start of ramadan I put on around 5 more pounds of muscle and 1lbs of fat and still gaining strenghth though I'm only eating 2 mega meals Ed !!!

[texasmk4]

Are you going to continue right after ramadan??? Over all how would rate a var cycle?? did you notice any hair loss or acne??

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Are you going to continue right after ramadan??? Over all how would rate a var cycle?? did you notice any hair loss or acne??

Var gives u zero hair loss and zero acne although I'm prone to back acne.
I'm continuing 4 weeks post ramadan then 2weeks wait then pct!!!

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

I upped the adex to .5 e3d again as I have a small pimple on my shoulder and I feel I'm gonna start having some more so I'm not gonna wait.

[texasmk4]

Glad to hear var is working good for you, i am going to start mine right after ramadan..

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Glad to hear var is working good for you, i am going to start mine right after ramadan..

If u wanna take var alone 3 weeks into ur cycle ur gonna start to get low test symptoms (low energy, low mood ,lowered erection quality...)
Ur not gonna get any estrogenic sides acne,bloat.
And if u like it ur gonna want to try out test so my suggestion is u do a basic 500mg test e ew cycle for 12 weeks and if u do a good clean diet and take an ai ur not gonna get any sides ur gonna feel better and if u do a cutting diet ur gonna get really cut and ur gonna gain twice as much muscle with zero liver toxicity and ur gonna recover really easy from test at that dose.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

End of week 5
Weight 80 kg
Bf is the same but gained 3 more lbs of muscle
Strength is up more veins I've never seen before are visible in my inner bis and web of veins is showing along my arm vertical to the main vein from my shoulder/ Bicep forearm.
Getting really good pumps.
Appetite is through the roof and I seem to get away un punished with the things I shouldn't eat...no fat gain.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

I went a lil overboard with the site inj I did 3.5 cc into my left lateral Tricep head and I had done it before with no prob
but now it has been swollen for the past week with a hard lump at inj site and the swelling traveling with gravity till it reached my fore arm it's getting better everyday that's why I'm not worried .
So no more 3.5 cc in a small muscle I split the last inj in two in r&L clv with no prob and r&L bis with no prob
so this is the way I'm doing it from now on.
I'm gonna rest my lateral head next inj also
Maybe I'll do clvs again or maybe bis depend on workout schedule nex inj

[Brohim]

are you still taking primo? how much test are you taking? Im week 5 into var cycle and no erection issues or mood. Actually feel pretty good. I am taking HCG 600iu per week with it.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

are you still taking primo? how much test are you taking? Im week 5 into var cycle and no erection issues or mood. Actually feel pretty good. I am taking HCG 600iu per week with it.

I'm now on 200 primo and 150 test e e3d
First time I took var only last year I was fine for the whole cycle and pct nothing at all
But this time I was really down and tired from week 4 so started the test and primo as this was my backup plan and it's much much better than var only (fat burning / muscle building / no bloat)
But it's supirior to var for me because of the zero liver toxicity!!!
I love var but I'm thinking of steering away from Orval's for the rest of my life ( we don't need them unless we are already using all we can from inj which will never be the case for me)

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

^^^ what are ur results till now???

[Brohim]

^^^ what are ur results till now???

I notice a better mood, I am able to go very low calorie without loseing any muscle. Stamina at gym is through the roof, and veins popping in arms and lower abs. 60mg ED

[Brohim]

only sides are a few pimples on face. And I think liver tox. is not an issue. Especially if you don't drink like me. I only take 60mg for 7 weeks. And from what I read var should be better fat burner than test because DHT binds harder to the AR recepter in the fat cells. But if you take primo that should help fb because it's DHT based as well. HOwever, 500mg of primo per week is way more $$ than 60mg of 7 weeks with the var I get.

With that said my next cycle will be 300mg of test per week solo so I will compare with var/hcg cycle. And then I will probably do test/var cycle.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

only sides are a few pimples on face. And I think liver tox. is not an issue. Especially if you don't drink like me. I only take 60mg for 7 weeks. And from what I read var should be better fat burner than test because DHT binds harder to the AR recepter in the fat cells. But if you take primo that should help fb because it's DHT based as well. HOwever, 500mg of primo per week is way more $$ than 60mg of 7 weeks with the var I get.

With that said my next cycle will be 300mg of test per week solo so I will compare with var/hcg cycle. And then I will probably do test/var cycle.

The thing with comparing the two cycles is u can extend the test cycle to 12 or more weeks which gives u a good amount of time to adapt and gain progressively.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

End of Week 6
Weight 80kg
Still fasting and eating two solid meals a day
Maintaining weight but appearance is changing dramatically.
Strenghth is up dramatically
No sides at all except two or 3 weired red tiney pimples I've never had before.
Other than that Ive reached my target weight and I'll try to maintain it and drop fat the remaining 8 weeks till pct.
Overall I'm very happy with this cycle!!!