12w LEAN BULK (TEST/PRIMO/VAR)

**MickeyKnox** · 10-04-2012, 11:00 AM

right on! good luck bro!

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-08-2012, 08:47 PM

Week 1 pct
I didn't feel anything no down no up nothing
Strength is still up
Erections are strong mood is good !
I think the primo has some type of long term effect on fat burning and fighting estrogenic sides or sth I'm not gaining any fat back though I'm eating tons of carbs and no acne at all !!!
I love it and would make it a staple with test e!!!
I've been thinking of bulking natty to reach 85 kg over the next year do u guys think it's doable without adding much fat???

**bp2000** · 10-08-2012, 09:39 PM

so you didn't use prop? And nice log. you did test E for 10 weeks total?

You could bulk natty no problem I would keep cals up through PCT so you don't lose any mass. Alot of ppl lose mass because they don't up their cals for the new mass they put on. Or they try a cut too soon after cycle...

Any Acne problem's during cycle? How much AI did you use?

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-09-2012, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by bp2000

so you didn't use prop? And nice log. you did test E for 10 weeks total?

You could bulk natty no problem I would keep cals up through PCT so you don't lose any mass. Alot of ppl lose mass because they don't up their cals for the new mass they put on. Or they try a cut too soon after cycle...

Any Acne problem's during cycle? How much AI did you use?

Used 12 week primo and test e total ai was .5 mg arimidix eod and dropped it to .25 mg eod !
No sides at all zero bloat zero acne !!!
And because there were no sides I upped the doses mid cycle so it was a very mild cycle actually but with nice gains and recovery is a breathe as I feel really good during pct
I'm also using 2 iu hgh for the past month to recover faster and try to keep all my gains.

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-15-2012, 06:34 AM

Pct week 2
I feel good no mood swings hard erections no sides no acne just couple pimples on my back and they're really small.
The strange thing is I got more vascular and everyone around me is telling me I look bigger but my morning weight dropped to 78.5.
I've been eating too clean lately I think cause I was afraid to put on fat.
I'm upping the clean cals a bit to get back to 80 kg starting today.
Other than that primo & test e combo is still my fav

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-24-2012, 11:48 AM

Week 3 pct
Weight is still 78.5 im eating a lot to keep my weight from dropping further
Feel good mood is normal no swings nothing to report
Workouts are perfect still have all my strength
Bench 315 / squat 315 /dead 405/arms 17"pumped

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-29-2012, 04:53 AM

Pct week 4
Same as above and weight still 78.5
The only Change is I've been on vacation for the past 3 days and I've been eating tons of crap and I'm back on track since yesterday!
Think I gained some really minor fat in my love handles I'm gonna get rid of it the coming 2 days or so!!!
Other than that adding hgh to my pct really helped all over!!! Still on 2iu pharma grade Ed for the past 8 weeks

**Buster Brown** · 10-29-2012, 08:51 AM

Look good bro, nice job.

**Trying-Hard** · 10-29-2012, 11:42 AM

Nice man! I really hope I can keep gains as good as you are doing. (without the use of HGH)

When is your next cycle and what is your plan for it?

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-29-2012, 01:14 PM

Thanks bb
Th I think ull do just fine keep food clean & plenty ur gonna loose minor water and keep all the rest don't worry

I wish I could stay natty for the rest of my life but it's to hard to resist aas lol
I finally think I got it all figured out so it's a shame I'm not cycling again but I'll do some bloods next week if all is good I might cycle next summer primo600 & test e 500 ew 14 weeks don't know yet my all time goal was 85 kg at same bf I'm at now so I thought if I trained natty for a decade I could reach that what do u think?

**Trying-Hard** · 10-30-2012, 07:27 AM

What is your reason behind wanting to stay natural from this point forward? Anything in particular? Because for me, I can't wait for my 2nd cycle..lol

As far as reaching 85kg natural, I am not sure what your genetic limit is so I have no idea, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible given your height with a lot of hard work and consistency.

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 10-30-2012, 07:38 PM

I don't wish to be on trt soon so I don't wanna loose my natural system.
I'm happy with my body and my strength right now so dont wanna get greedy
I wish to live on cycle but I'm trying to resist temptation.
I wish to gain slow and steady for the coming decade and see then if I Wana cycle or even trt
But don't worry I don't think that when 6month or so are past I'll think of this cycle as if it was in another lifetime and jump back on I'm an addict to !!!
At the end of the day who doesn't want to gain 10lbs of lean hard muscle ????

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 11-05-2012, 07:55 PM

Pct is officially over and I'm @ 79 kg
All is the same strength is the same I can now assume that I keep ~ 9 lbs of muscle each cycle post pct !!!
I already wanna cycle again it's really hard to fight the temptation isn't it???
I will be clear to cycle again in 5month if I follow the rule it'll be next April and I know myself summer will be on the doorstep and most probably I'll cycle (June/July/August) I like the he man attitude I get during the beach season!!!
Thx guys for ur words that kept me motivated !!!

**Trying-Hard** · 11-06-2012, 08:12 AM

Good job bro!!

As far as TRT, I think as long as you do time on = time off I wouldn't think you would shut your system down if you do everything the right way. There are many people that cycle correctly that are not on TRT, but then again, maybe there are some that do it correctly that are on TRT. I am not sure..

I'll be joining ya with another cycle in April if you decide to do one..=) That is when I will be starting my 2nd one, hopefully.

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 11-06-2012, 03:22 PM

Thx bro see u april

I wish that is true

**Mr_Prop_var_Testen** · 11-13-2012, 07:15 AM

Bloodwork 2days post pct
do u guys think my test should get higher with time or is this the peak for me
Test before 1stcycle was 575 ng/dl
". After 1st cycle was 450 ng/dl
After 2nd cycle it's now 371 ng/dl Lh3.2 fsh3

I feel perfect libido is through the roof and erections are pretty strong so why are my levels so low???

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-04-2013, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Prop_var_Testen

Bloodwork 2days post pct
do u guys think my test should get higher with time or is this the peak for me
Test before 1stcycle was 575 ng/dl
". After 1st cycle was 450 ng/dl
After 2nd cycle it's now 371 ng/dl Lh3.2 fsh3

I feel perfect libido is through the roof and erections are pretty strong so why are my levels so low???

what did your PCT look like?

Also wait like another month and get tested again. Your body is still recovering even after PCT.