Bringing it to the next level! 12 week Prop/var cycle. DONE RIGHT!

**havanakid** · 10-24-2012, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

I wanted to wait a little longer before I gave an update on my thread. Last post was 1 week ago and I currently weigh 172lbs. My energy level is through the roof, actually too much to handle sometimes throughout the day especially since I just sit at a desk. I have zero sides and my strength is still sky rocketing with each lift.

I'd really like to see myself get to 180lb. before my cycle comes to an end. I have been contemplating upping my cycle to 16 weeks being that I have zero side effects and still making progress. Currently I am going into week 12.

I have been going back and forth with my diet and I found a sweet spot at 2800 calories taking in 330g carbs/250g protein/57g fat. I do wish I could take in more and I'm still on the subject of how do I take in more calories without feeling bloated 24/7 and having really bad gas pains in my stomach.

Bro if you finally found your sweet spot as far as nutrition and there are no negative side effects then I dont see anything wrong with extending your cycle to 16 weeks.Thats just my opinion.I would jump on it.Personally I was goin to just do my test/deca cycle but after a lot of consideration being that I have absolutely no sides except for two pimples on my back and my blood pressure which I am monitoring and treating I decided to do a 6 month blast and then back to trt.You only live once and if youre feeling good,no sides then yes I say go for it.

**Brohim** · 10-24-2012, 02:05 PM

he is not on TRT and needs to recover fully after his cycle.

**ANIMAL** · 10-24-2012, 02:29 PM

Forgot to add, my blood pressure is 129/80.

**havanakid** · 10-24-2012, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Brohim

he is not on TRT and needs to recover fully after his cycle.

I know.He can recover after 16 weeks then.You dont think he should extend it?

**havanakid** · 10-24-2012, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

Forgot to add, my blood pressure is 129/80.

thats pretty good bro.Mine is around 135/85 more or less.So what are you thinking?You gonna add the extra 4 weeks?

**ANIMAL** · 10-24-2012, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by havanakid

thats pretty good bro.Mine is around 135/85 more or less.So what are you thinking?You gonna add the extra 4 weeks?

Going to wait for a few people that have helped me through this cycle chime in. Although I have no signs and I'm continuing to gain/grow I don't want to jeopardize my health for the future. I've put on 21lbs in 11 weeks when I was cutting for the first 8 weeks of my cycle. I've put on 5-8lbs within the past 2 weeks just on changing my diet. I'm sure some is water weight but I'm not bloated like that. I'd like to get to 175+ before stopping. Try to maintain above 170lbs until my next cycle.

**havanakid** · 10-24-2012, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

Going to wait for a few people that have helped me through this cycle chime in. Although I have no signs and I'm continuing to gain/grow I don't want to jeopardize my health for the future. I've put on 21lbs in 11 weeks when I was cutting for the first 8 weeks of my cycle. I've put on 5-8lbs within the past 2 weeks just on changing my diet. I'm sure some is water weight but I'm not bloated like that. I'd like to get to 175+ before stopping. Try to maintain above 170lbs until my next cycle.

Sounds good.I ll be watching.

**ANIMAL** · 10-25-2012, 08:02 AM

Operation: Stay Puft Marshmellow Man in full effect!

**ANIMAL** · 10-26-2012, 02:46 PM

I've decided I'm going to end my cycle at 14 weeks, gives me until November 13th, which will be my last pin. I think my cycle has been more then successful with no side effects other then 1 week worth of nipple sensitivity. I learned a lot throughout this journey and only see good things in the future. I am nervous to see what happens when I stop and what I'll retain after I'm done, as I don't want any of this to be a waste, but that's where the mental game comes into play and I'll have to continue to work hard.

Here is how I plan on coming off HCG /Test/AI

10/28 250iu
11/1 250iu
11/4 500iu
11/8 500iu
11/11 1000iu
11/13 last pin/last anavar
11/15 1000iu
11/18 1000iu
11/22 1000iu (last HCG)
11/26 AI (last)
11/27 Start PCT for 5 weeks.

Like I said from the beginning I will continue to update this thread up until the end of the cycle and throughout PCT. I am already starting to plan my next cycle that will take place sometime at the end of May beginning of June. Or perhaps I will wait a little longer in the year to do a full bulking cycle, I guess only time will tell.

I would like to hear some suggestions on what my next cycle should be. I was thinking of adding Tren , but I really dislike the side effects it gives.

**ANIMAL** · 11-02-2012, 06:28 PM

Weighed in tonight at 177lb. Feel really good although I feel like my joints are killing me, really sore even after taking a 2 day rest, thoughts? Perhaps my body is just tired, have been going hard for a real long time.

**ANIMAL** · 11-05-2012, 10:15 AM

May have a pulled/strained groin? Although there is no discomfort/pain coming from anywhere. Discomfort did come after a heavy back workout now that I'm thinking about it, possibly after deadlifts.

Other then that, I feel really good. I have 3 pins left, it's kind of bitter sweet. My lifts have been going up, heavy weight that I use to think was heavy is like a feather. Heavy weight now is weight that I never thought I'd be doing. Very happy with this cycles results.

**Trying-Hard** · 11-05-2012, 10:28 AM

Good stuff bro! Good job on this cycle...make sure to keep up posted througout PCT and let us in on your thoughts/goals of next cycle, too.

**ANIMAL** · 11-12-2012, 08:36 AM

Was worried that I had a hernia, so I took 2 days off from the gym and rested on the couch, icing the area and taking advil. Woke up Sunday morning with very little discomfort, but just felt tight. I stretched and thankfully everything that I was feeling, went away. Excited to get back in the gym, I did Chest and had a really good workout, made sure I stretched for 5 minutes before even picking up a weight, which I'm going to do all the time. I stretch, but not thoroughly.

I stopped taking the anavar on Thursday, 11/8 and already stopped the 2 the side effects I was feeling from the anavar; Heavy chest and increased body temperature.

This is week 14, and tomorrow will be my last pin of test. I upped my HCG to 1000iu yesterday and will continue at this dosage for the next 3 pins.

I will have to do some more research to see what compounds I'll be using in my next cycle, because I'd like to take my body to the next level even more so then I have. I'm not sure if that means increase the test or add a stack of tren . Deca is out of the question as well as EQ, so really, what else is there?

My goal before spring comes is to be 185lbs, so that means roughly another 10lbs needs to be added.

**Trying-Hard** · 11-12-2012, 10:31 AM

Why is deca out of the question? I heard EQ is garbage.

I am in the same boat as you as far as second cycle. I would really like to try test/tren but been contemplating a 500/300 test/deca combo.

**ANIMAL** · 11-12-2012, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Trying-Hard

Why is deca out of the question? I heard EQ is garbage.

I am in the same boat as you as far as second cycle. I would really like to try test/tren but been contemplating a 500/300 test/deca combo.

I don't like all the sides I've been reading about Deca. And yea, EQ is garbage. If someone wants to chime in about Deca, I'm all ears. What have you read about Deca?

**Trying-Hard** · 11-12-2012, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

I don't like all the sides I've been reading about Deca. And yea, EQ is garbage. If someone wants to chime in about Deca, I'm all ears. What have you read about Deca?

I have read the positives and the negatives about Deca . Great mass builder and great for joints, although one may experience higher water retention on it versus just test, for example. But you and I both know a lot of that contributes to diet, AI, etc. I also read a lot about this deca-dick syndrome and it seems like some people say they will never touch it again, others say they never had a problem. It almost seems like a hit or a miss, even with the people that ran 500/300 test/deca combo.

Most everyone says to run test 2 weeks longer than deca and extend PCT from the usual 4 weeks to 5-6 weeks and run Nolva @ 20mg/ED for those extra 2 weeks.

Also Deca can induce progesterone like side effects, so some people recommend a very low prami/caber dose while on.

Anyway, that is what I know about Deca so far.

**Anabolick** · 11-12-2012, 07:18 PM

run deca high and test at just above a trt dose

most of the horror stories you hear are from people running high test/moderate deca

**Trying-Hard** · 11-12-2012, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolick

run deca high and test at just above a trt dose

most of the horror stories you hear are from people running high test/moderate deca

But why would a higher dose of test generate negative sides? That is seems illogical to me, but I have heard the same before.

**ANIMAL** · 11-14-2012, 10:41 AM

Don't people suggest the same when running Tren ? Lower dose of test... I won't take the plunge until I continue doing more research.

TH, that's exactly what I gathered in my research. The big red flag is deca dick, as I can't be having any of that.

On another note, yesterday was my last pin :'( But I know I have a good 2 more weeks of cranking out the weight, I am happy to take a break. Very curious to see how PCT will go and how much I am going to be able to retain. I'm so close to my goal of 180lbs, but I won't weigh in until Sunday morning.

**ANIMAL** · 11-15-2012, 10:15 AM

2 days after my last pin and I'm sick as a dog. Slept for about 30 minutes last night, tossing and turning. Woke up dripping sweat. OF COURSE my last pin was with a new bottle. Thinking it was because of that because I haven't got as much as a cough this whole entire cycle. I was literally on the floor in the bathroom hugging the toilet. Didn't eat anything out of the norm either.

**bp2000** · 11-15-2012, 10:45 AM

What caused the bloat at the end? Diet?

**Trying-Hard** · 11-15-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

2 days after my last pin and I'm sick as a dog. Slept for about 30 minutes last night, tossing and turning. Woke up dripping sweat. OF COURSE my last pin was with a new bottle. Thinking it was because of that because I haven't got as much as a cough this whole entire cycle. I was literally on the floor in the bathroom hugging the toilet. Didn't eat anything out of the norm either.

That sucks man! But look at the bright side, you got sick when you still have an abundant amount of test in your system, not during PCT.

Hope you recover quick!

**ANIMAL** · 11-15-2012, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by bp2000

What caused the bloat at the end? Diet?

I'm sorry, not sure what you're referring to? I'm just assuming you are referring to my pictures? That was after a chest workout but I have been eating 3000 calories for a few days and then backing off because my body can't really handle that many calories, I do become bloated and feel like a marshmallow, but it goes away once I step my diet back to 2700 calories.

Originally Posted by Trying-Hard

That sucks man! But look at the bright side, you got sick when you still have an abundant amount of test in your system, not during PCT.

Hope you recover quick!

I have all the symptoms of an appendicitis. Don't want to freak myself out, but it's weird that it literally came out of no where. Will be going to the DR. later today or tomorrow. Could just be fighting off an infection somewhere but who knows. Not something you want to deal with at the end of your cycle, that's for sure.

**ANIMAL** · 11-20-2012, 12:28 PM

The past week has been a headache, luckily I'm back to feeling great.

I'm lactose intolerant and wasn't really thinking when I had a latte from Dunkin Donuts one day and since I didn't notice any side effects from it, the next day I had one as well. That went on for about 4-5 days. By the 5th day I guess it backed something up in my intestines and couldn't break down the enzyme and caused some blockage/sharp pains in my right side. Safe to assume I won't be having any of those any more as dairy isn't in my diet at all.

My pulled groin has healed and I was beyond excited to get back into the gym this past Sunday, of course hitting legs. My strength is still there but I am noticing my aggression isn't there as much as it use to be. For example, when in the gym I could fire myself up to knock down the next set but now it just doesn't seem like there's a flame under my ass as much. Energy is still there and I still have a great pump/lifts.

PCT in 1 week from today.

**ANIMAL** · 11-26-2012, 04:36 PM

It has been a rough week to say the least. After finally recovering from the groin pull and the dairy problem I got back into the swing of things 1 week before PCT started. Had a good thanksgiving and great workout on Friday. After my workout meal I started to become really sick. My little cousin brought over a stomach virus which I caught and I was throwing up from 1230am Saturday morning to 830am every 30minutes. Once that stopped, the water came out the other end, without getting too graphic. I was on the couch all weekend, eating very little. I feel and look like I lost 10lbs, very discouraging. Why couldn't this happen at the beginning of my cycle and not where it really counts the most!? I started to feel better on Sunday so I took the day to recoup.

Today I'll be back in the gym and I've just been trying to prepare myself mentally to get me through tonight and the next 5 weeks because I know it's not going to be easy. I know my body is in it, the hardest part will be the mind. I have a very supportive girl so I know I'll be fine.

I'm not even stepping on the scale tonight, just going to bust my ass.

**zeeibi** · 11-26-2012, 07:07 PM

keen on reading this! in!

**ANIMAL** · 11-27-2012, 09:45 PM

Intensity in the gym is still there but energy is low around the 2nd exercise.

Started PCT tonight.

Clomid: 100/50/50/50/50
Nolvadex : 40/20/20/20/20

**ANIMAL** · 12-01-2012, 08:24 AM

DAY 5 of PCT

Head is in a fog. Just feel blah, especially in the morning. I take my PCT at night right before bed. The fog comes and goes throughout the day. I feel like I have to prepare myself for a lift for a good hour or so mentally before hitting the weights. Zero sex drive but still getting hard, just no desire.

Weight: 174 lb.

Edit: Appetite is still through the roof. I figured I would have to drop my calories down below 3000, but I've actually increased them. I have been increasing them up 100/day until I find a sweet spot. I'm starving 45minutes before each meal and I'm not putting on any excess fat.

**Perseverance1** · 12-05-2012, 01:33 PM

Great thread...I'm going through a similar cycle right now (60mg dbol and 14 weeks of 750mg test e). It's nice to see the kind of gains I can look forward to as long as I Stick to my macros.

**ANIMAL** · 12-07-2012, 08:58 AM

Day 11 of PCT

Mind is a fog, no motivation past first exercise or anything for that matter. Look no where near what I did so it's very frustrating after putting in all the hard work. I know it's all mental now, very hard on myself as it is. Starting to feel like "cycling" is not worth all the downs you experience when coming off and you might as well wait until you can just blast/cruise.

Hopefully this turns around in the next couple of days, tired of feeling tired.

**Trying-Hard** · 12-07-2012, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

Day 11 of PCT

Mind is a fog, no motivation past first exercise or anything for that matter. Look no where near what I did so it's very frustrating after putting in all the hard work. I know it's all mental now, very hard on myself as it is. Starting to feel like "cycling" is not worth all the downs you experience when coming off and you might as well wait until you can just blast/cruise.

Hopefully this turns around in the next couple of days, tired of feeling tired.

The advice that I can give you is the advice I got from Mickey, and that is to keep the workouts short. My first 14 days of PCT I was working out like I was when I was 'on', and that was a mistake. I then switched it up to less volume and it seemed to help mentally and physically.

From my experience, the worst of PCT will be days 8-14. Starting week 3 is when it starts to get better. At least this is what took place with me.

PCT sucks ass, bro. You just have to fight through it and soon enough you will feel better.

Oh, and yes, I agree with everything you said. Although I am not sure a blast/cruise is worth the long term effects though. Or is it? lol...

GL, keep us posted.

**ANIMAL** · 12-07-2012, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Trying-Hard

The advice that I can give you is the advice I got from Mickey, and that is to keep the workouts short. My first 14 days of PCT I was working out like I was when I was 'on', and that was a mistake. I then switched it up to less volume and it seemed to help mentally and physically.

From my experience, the worst of PCT will be days 8-14. Starting week 3 is when it starts to get better. At least this is what took place with me.

PCT sucks ass, bro. You just have to fight through it and soon enough you will feel better.

Oh, and yes, I agree with everything you said. Although I am not sure a blast/cruise is worth the long term effects though. Or is it? lol...

GL, keep us posted.

Thanks bro.

**ANIMAL** · 12-08-2012, 04:34 PM

Day 12 of PCT

Just finished a back workout and it was the best workout I've had in a month. Finally wasn't tired but the 3-4 exercise and was still doing decent weight. Had a good solid pump throughout the entire lift. Was in and out 1 hour.

Weighed in at 173lbs. Hopefully this is the start of feeling better.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-08-2012, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

Day 12 of PCT

Just finished a back workout and it was the best workout I've had in a month. Finally wasn't tired but the 3-4 exercise and was still doing decent weight. Had a good solid pump throughout the entire lift. Was in and out 1 hour.

Weighed in at 173lbs. Hopefully this is the start of feeling better.

Shave that down to 40 mins max bro. And eat above maintenance, this is very important during PCT! Your body is more sensitive to cals and seems to become catabolic easily during this time.

Get in and out of the gym and eat a lot during PCT. This will assist in preventing muscle loss.

You look fantastic btw. Good job!

**ANIMAL** · 12-11-2012, 09:03 AM

DAY 15 of PCT

Actually feel normal. My lifts have been good since cutting them back to under 1 hour. My strength seems to be up from before I started the cycle, then again I'm also 20+lbs bigger. Taking in 3300 calories and continue to up it as I'm still hungry throughout the day and not putting on any excess fat.

I do have to agree with TH that the worst of PCT is between 7-13 days. I started taking in Metabolic Nutrition C.G.P creatine and I'm not sure if it's my body readjusting to being in PCT or the creatine but my pumps are a lot better, I'm a lot fuller with no bloat and have a lot more energy/strength then I did last week. Only been taking this for 4-5 days.

**ANIMAL** · 12-13-2012, 10:29 AM

Went to doctors, have a hernia. /game over

**Trying-Hard** · 12-13-2012, 02:21 PM

Shit man, so sorry to hear that....

**ANIMAL** · 12-15-2012, 09:38 AM

Day 19 of PCT

Back to normal. Have energy right when I get up from sleeping, morning wood, libido up. Kept my weight at 174lbs which is a 24lb. gain since the start. Granted I'll lose it all now that I can't lift for a few months lol. UGH!