40y/o Female Log

[itsmybody]

Day 3 post cycle...not much to report other than usual headaches at this point...this is gonna be more of a vent....

Supplement store staff really agitate me, especially when they claim they are a certified nutritionist. Really, where the heck did you get certified or did you just print up a business card n put some crap down????? This dude touted off how there is no soy in any of the products they carry and how awful soy is for you...READ YOUR FKN PRODUCT LABLES BEFORE MAKING UNEDUCATED CLAIMS! The 2 items he was trying to sell me both clearly state on the label they contain soy. Whatever 'mr. nutritionist quack' This grumpy gal is sticking with her usual tub of stuff and will most certainly set a reminder on phone to order online as usual before running out. Less expensive and less irritating!

Sorry, this guy just really burned me up. Not so much for me but the thought of all the people looking to make positive changes and being giving misinformation thus wasting their time and money along with making them suffer the consequences of the bad experiences they deal with when looking for guidance within this industry. No wonder so many people give up!

Vent done

[GirlyGymRat]

Ugh. Maybe today it will back off. Do not think it's a pain toleration issue. My body is crazy sensitive/responsive to any sort of medication or change in anything at all. Always has been. Example...first cycle everything I read said it takes a couple weeks for it to build up in your system and start seeing changes...my body started reacting in just 3 days. I thought I was crazy but then same thing has happened w each subsequent cycle. Maybe that's why the lower dosage still works for me in the first place? So many unknowns. It will be nice once a reliable set of standards is established for monitoring sake.

. I didn't notice any change with var not even on the higher dose.

I noticed when primo kicked. I had to back off to 30 from 50 mg bc it was that amazing for me.

[itsmybody]

Headache still in town...plowed through legs anyway and choked on vomit instead of spewing like normal. How considerate.

Have decided...need to find a gym where other chicks make the same ugly face I make when in that death zone. Getting better though about not being scared to wear tank tops and owning the worms with pride. That's been a battle cause stares and glares sometimes are bothersome....until that tunnel vision sets in and ugly face takes over. Today pushed so hard could not even keep earbuds in. Just threw them on the floor and deadlifted like an angry woman. It was great.

[GirlyGymRat]

Headache still in town...plowed through legs anyway and choked on vomit instead of spewing like normal. How considerate. Have decided...need to find a gym where other chicks make the same ugly face I make when in that death zone. Getting better though about not being scared to wear tank tops and owning the worms with pride. That's been a battle cause stares and glares sometimes are bothersome....until that tunnel vision sets in and ugly face takes over. Today pushed so hard could not even keep earbuds in. Just threw them on the floor and deadlifted like an angry woman. It was great.

I want to share something with you and please Know my heart.

When I lost 40 lbs I noticed how nice everyone was to me. Ppl open the doors more, the cart boys asked to help load my water bottles in the trunk, random men passed me their phone numbers, even some random females were nicer too. (Not many bc women can be sooooo catty.)

When I was a fatty that never happened.

As time went on, possibly even a year....I realized maybe it was some of my issue. I was happier, more confident and smiled more so ppl were kinder.

One of my nearest dearest mentor pulled me aside and said. Smile. The power of a smile. It melts the hearts of others. It softens your look. When I am super busy, I have to remind myself to smile. I am really not pissed off but I look pissed off. I have so many balls up in the air I am constantly counting them to make sure I don't drop any. But ppl think I am angry.

Most of the time just counting the balls....

[itsmybody]

I want to share something with you and please Know my heart. When I lost 40 lbs I noticed how nice everyone was to me. Ppl open the doors more, the cart boys asked to help load my water bottles in the trunk, random men passed me their phone numbers, even some random females were nicer too. (Not many bc women can be sooooo catty.) When I was a fatty that never happened. As time went on, possibly even a year....I realized maybe it was some of my issue. I was happier, more confident and smiled more so ppl were kinder. One of my nearest dearest mentor pulled me aside and said. Smile. The power of a smile. It melts the hearts of others. It softens your look. When I am super busy, I have to remind myself to smile. I am really not pissed off but I look pissed off. I have so many balls up in the air I am constantly counting them to make sure I don't drop any. But ppl think I am angry. Most of the time just counting the balls....

You are right. Need to smile more...You did a hella job lady!!!! RESPECT!

Still hard, can not tell you how many people have said the veins look gross...it's unnerving. Then again need to use that as a motivator and not get discouraged. Also hormones are crazy so things bug me even more. Yikes. Thank you for the reality check!

[itsmybody]

Day 4 post cycle
Rest day...need it
Headache still around. Nasty too.
Joints in fingers still ache especially in mornings but not as bad as last cycle.
Swelling isn't as bad either and no skin irritations to report as of yet.
Body still hard looking and veins still present...thinking veins will remain especially since I am probably still holding some water.
Thus far status quo...hoping all the extra water and strict adherence to nutrition (minus the 5 week reward of birthday turkey burger and donut!) keeps post cycle sides to a minimum this time.

Keep on keepin on!

Oh picked up breakfast for roommate this morning while out and holy chit!!!!
First off haven't been to a drive through in over 2 years. Felt really weird.
Second...check this out!
2 sausage mc muffins+2 sausage burritos+coke
Calorie content on sign made mouth drop!
Glad I bought a plunger when I moved in a cple weeks ago...that looks like it's gonna cause some damage...worse than protein poots! On that note, gonna play it safe and hit pool for a couple hours till the party animal has finished taken care of business and the air has cleared. Can not wait to look up macros on that gut explosion.

[itsmybody]

Day 5 Post Cycle

Headache I guess is gonna be here for awhile.
Yes on joint pain as usual in fingers
Have not lost any strength
Energy levels are still same
Appetite still up
Pumps not so much as while on cycle (miss them already)
Getting nervous for next week...seems to usually be the second week when everything sucks.
Keeping an open mind.
If one can drive cross country with x in 4 days flat one can endure post cycle crud.
May the force be with me!

[GirlyGymRat]

How many rough days did you have last time?

[itsmybody]

How many rough days did you have last time?

Basically it was the worst day 7-14. WOOF. It's exactly like knowing a category 4 hurricane is rapidly approaching and you just have to deal with it.

[GirlyGymRat]

Keep us posted please. Hope it goes better for you!

[itsmybody]

Day 6 Post Cycle....
Yup it's about crunch time. Nothing new to report yet....however decided to really push myself tonight during legs thanks to all the info from @Nach3 @Sfla80 @Hazard and @Marcus300
Nothing like a few lifters to get your butt in gear and motivate the sh*t out of ya. Those guys ROCK! Now this old lady does reverse v squats too. Operation build the sticks has just been lit on fire again. Love those things.
If anyone hasn't read Marcus's Diary on the general forum yet (shame on you as I think it's required as soon as you create an account...or should be) be certain to check it out....completely beginning to end. Def worth it.
Anyhow I posted the workout there and it went over the top CRAZY INSANE BOOM FIRECRACKERS FREAKING BALLSTOTHEWALL SWEAT DRIPPING FROM FINGERTIPS OVER THE TOP INCREDIBLY WELL!

THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN FOR ALL THE MOTIVATION, EXTRA PUSH, INSTRUCTION AND HELP!!!! Heros!!!!

[itsmybody]

Day 7 Post Cycle.
This is the day it always gets crappy.
First the positive....sore as hell from reverse v squats! Really really really sore!

Had a killer delt session and gonna feel that tomorrow to.

Welcome back DOMS. Yahoooo!!!!

Bad stuff...
Fingers were frozen completely upon awakening today.
Joints are very tender.
Water retention is at an all time high today.
Still waking up every two hours at night.
Headache still here.
Just after shoulder session I think the post cycle flu hit. Basically even though it's 100 degrees out by the time I got in the car I was freezing to death.

So that's the bulk of it. At least at this point I can be thankful that everything is following the usual post cycle pattern...minus the headache...that's a new one.

[itsmybody]

Day 8 Post Cycle
Make it all go away!
Headache, body aches, zero energy, joint pain, no motivation, feel like death.
Still have to force myself to hit chest tris n bis.
Irritated is an understatement.
Only relief is water retention isn't quite as bad as yesterday...it was so bad that at some points breathing was bothersome. Checked blood pressure and it's the normal range for me (98/62) I'm always super low.
Also happy there is no minor skin issues yet. Still praying all the extra water consumption is aiding with that and helping flush system out a little faster.
A normal person would take today as a rest day...but hoping chest bis n tris will make me feel a little better.
WOOF...feel like a splatted bug on a windshield.

[GirlyGymRat]

Day 8 Post Cycle Make it all go away! Headache, body aches, zero energy, joint pain, no motivation, feel like death. Still have to force myself to hit chest tris n bis. Irritated is an understatement. Only relief is water retention isn't quite as bad as yesterday...it was so bad that at some points breathing was bothersome. Checked blood pressure and it's the normal range for me (98/62) I'm always super low. Also happy there is no minor skin issues yet. Still praying all the extra water consumption is aiding with that and helping flush system out a little faster. A normal person would take today as a rest day...but hoping chest bis n tris will make me feel a little better. WOOF...feel like a splatted bug on a windshield.

Wow. I feel for ya. Is your var pharm grade. Wondering if u need a pct.

Hang in there! Hopefully passes soon!!!

[itsmybody]

Wow. I feel for ya. Is your var pharm grade. Wondering if u need a pct. Hang in there! Hopefully passes soon!!!

Thanks lady. Knowing this is the rough week makes it less of a bother. The first cple times though was freaky. Water is still going down but joints in the right hand are the worst part of it. I honestly think I will end up with or already have arthritis in hands from years of gymnastics followed by years of bartending and now this. Oh well. At least I haven't lived in a bubble. Also last time feet kept freezing up too so now I am able to know that the 10mg dosage may still be too much since feet aren't doing this go round with 5mg. That's awesome cause it means I have more product for later

Not sure if it is pharm grade. When I tested it with a friend from the gym (she had a Labmax kit and showed me how to do it) feel like an idiot. Live and learn. Eerrrgggghhhhh They are capsules though and I have to split the dosage so even though kit says real I'm sure somehow there are impurities. Def going for tabs next time. Thought bout changing it up and trying something else but really no point if things are still happening this route. Again it's not a race and best to be safe than sorry.

[itsmybody]

@NACH3
Finally had a chance to look into knees...they don't go in or out...just there looking at me...have decided knees and elbows are the 2 least physically appealing body parts on anyone. Thank you again for your research and input. Gonna have to keep pushing weight and eating to make the muscles grow. Signed...perma-fluff

[GirlyGymRat]

Thanks lady. Knowing this is the rough week makes it less of a bother. The first cple times though was freaky. Water is still going down but joints in the right hand are the worst part of it. I honestly think I will end up with or already have arthritis in hands from years of gymnastics followed by years of bartending and now this. Oh well. At least I haven't lived in a bubble. Also last time feet kept freezing up too so now I am able to know that the 10mg dosage may still be too much since feet aren't doing this go round with 5mg. That's awesome cause it means I have more product for later Not sure if it is pharm grade. When I tested it with a friend from the gym (she had a Labmax kit and showed me how to do it) feel like an idiot. Live and learn. Eerrrgggghhhhh They are capsules though and I have to split the dosage so even though kit says real I'm sure somehow there are impurities. Def going for tabs next time. Thought bout changing it up and trying something else but really no point if things are still happening this route. Again it's not a race and best to be safe than sorry.

I was going to ask if you thought some of the pain can be due to pre existing condition / injury.....

[GirlyGymRat]

@NACH3 Finally had a chance to look into knees...they don't go in or out...just there looking at me...have decided knees and elbows are the 2 least physically appealing body parts on anyone. Thank you again for your research and input. Gonna have to keep pushing weight and eating to make the muscles grow. Signed...perma-fluff

I would have to add feet to your short list. I think they are more unappealing then elbow and knees.

[itsmybody]

I would have to add feet to your short list. I think they are more unappealing then elbow and knees.

Uh, yes feet are on the list too...also some people have really ugly noses, whoever I date I always have to make sure their noses are not funky looking. I think that's may be a weird personal quirk though.

So...instead of bikini maybe new gym outfit or shoes as a reward...it will also help reinforce the goals cause we all love new workout clothes and can't wait to wear them

[GirlyGymRat]

Uh, yes feet are on the list too...also some people have really ugly noses, whoever I date I always have to make sure their noses are not funky looking. I think that's may be a weird personal quirk though. So...instead of bikini maybe new gym outfit or shoes as a reward...it will also help reinforce the goals cause we all love new workout clothes and can't wait to wear them

Ohhhh I so like the idea of new gym clothes!!! I am so doing this!!!!!!

And buying more compounds. . I like to try something different. Putting together a new and likely somewhat controversial stack. No tren or test! Maybe a little test...and this and some of that.

[itsmybody]

Ohhhh I so like the idea of new gym clothes!!! I am so doing this!!!!!! And buying more compounds. . I like to try something different. Putting together a new and likely somewhat controversial stack. No tren or test! Maybe a little test...and this and some of that.

Now that is a reward for certain, can not wait to hear about it!!!!

[itsmybody]

Day 9 Post Cycle.

Not much to report other than happy that water retention is getting better each day and the killer headache still persists. Seems to be getting worse each day or it's only getting on nerves more cause I'm sick of it. Still keeping the water at 2gallons a day and keeping diet on point...no point in losing everything we work so hard for over diet! If there are two things we are able to control in this crazy world it's diet and intensity while training....def find huge satisfaction in this. Oh yeah...and I am still impatient along with irritable but that may be headache related too. Joints...yes...painful.

[davesah1]

Does a female PCT protocol need any sort of aromatase inhibitor or just SERM's?

If I recall test is aromatized into estrogen and your test is shut down so you probably wouldn't want to inhibit aromatase right? I'm just curious. I didn't catch your protocol in the log. Being a male, I'm not familiar with female's hormonal processes.

[itsmybody]

Does a female PCT protocol need any sort of aromatase inhibitor or just SERM's? If I recall test is aromatized into estrogen and your test is shut down so you probably wouldn't want to inhibit aromatase right? I'm just curious. I didn't catch your protocol in the log. Being a male, I'm not familiar with female's hormonal processes.

Was informed by a few other females that use var females do not need PCT....after this go round I am beginning to wonder...then again I found last time 10mg was too much for me. All the sides (not bad ones) were magnified during and after cycle at 10mg. That's why I took it back down to 5mg this time. Basically my body is highly responsive to any kind of change (kind of nice but also can be a pain in the a$$...like right now). This headache thing is new this time.

Basically PCT for females is debatable. Think it depends on the individual. I do know that day 7-14 post cycle is always the worst for me so basically I'm in the hell stage this week.

Probably didn't answer your question but did the best I could with what I have learned and experienced thus far.

[davesah1]

Was informed by a few other females that use var females do not need PCT....after this go round I am beginning to wonder...then again I found last time 10mg was too much for me. All the sides (not bad ones) were magnified during and after cycle at 10mg. That's why I took it back down to 5mg this time. Basically my body is highly responsive to any kind of change (kind of nice but also can be a pain in the a$$...like right now). This headache thing is new this time.

Basically PCT for females is debatable. Think it depends on the individual. I do know that day 7-14 post cycle is always the worst for me so basically I'm in the hell stage this week.

Probably didn't answer your question but did the best I could with what I have learned and experienced thus far.

Wow, 10mgs of Var is that rough. Yikes. I can't what trenbolone would do to a female then.
Thanks for sharing.

That's awesome results at such a dose, great job.
You got guys slamming grams and looking like mehhh.

[itsmybody]

Wow, 10mgs of Var is that rough. Yikes. I can't what trenbolone would do to a female then. Thanks for sharing. That's awesome results at such a dose, great job. You got guys slamming grams and looking like mehhh.

Thank you. IMO I really think the reason the results are good is cause nutrition is on lockdown and when it comes to training I do push that envelope as hard as freakin possible 6 days a week with zero exceptions. Very militant about both those items. Please note...that's not for everyone...example I went a full year with exactly 12 treats...typically a poptart with peanut butter on it. Over the top...yes, but have goals and want to create the most favorable environment possible to attain them. Feel otherwise I am wasting time and money.

There are many females that go with 10mg on up to 20mg var who don't have any sides at all nor any issues post cycle. I think I'm cursed in a way but also am appreciative that a small 5mg dose has a good impact.

With anything female related my best advise is lots of research, make sure diet and training split are 100% on point, get as far as possible w/o supps and then go SLOW WITH SMALL DOSAGES to see how things progress. Always easier to add to the mix than to take away from it

[GirlyGymRat]

Check this out. Also posted in Marcus thread You have the water retention and painful joints described as why u might need to run AI.

Females!


What are your experiences with AI's and proviron ? Need some input
never used; here's the most comprehensive information i have uncovered
"Anti-estrogens"

There are two classes of estrogen manipulators that often fall under the term "anti-estrogens". The first are Selective Estrogen Receptor Manipulators (SERMs). The only current example out there is Tamoxifen Citrate (brand name: Nolvadex ). This operates specifically on the ovarian-driven estrogen process. The second category that falls under "anti-estrogens" are Aromatase Inhibitors (AI's) that operate not on ovary-originating estrogen, but rather that resulting from aromatization (or conversion to estrogen) of testosterone . Examples of testosterones that convert are exogenous testosterones (anabolic androgenic steroids ) such as Testosterone Propionate , Nandrolone Decoanate ("Deca "), or Dianabol ("d-bol"). There is also a natural source of androgen that converts to estrogen - that produced by the adrenal glands, in both men and women. When women enter menopause and their ovary-originating estrogen is no longer produced, the only remaining source of naturally produced estrogen is that resulting from the adrenals. Examples of AI's are Arimidex , Aromasin and Letrozole . In practice, both these and Nolvadex, are all primarily prescribed as breast cancer treatment for post-menopausal women.

AI Profiles:

Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex)
Aromasin:
Arimidex:


Women are more likely to use a SERM like Nolvadex to address the bodyfat associated with estrogen - specifically the stuff that tends to collect around the hips, thighs, lower abdomen and butt. It is important to note that each person has her own distribution of fat cells - estrogen tends to promote a higher concentration of fat cells in those lower areas as part of a natural preservation strategy to protect a fetus and also to provide an extra storage of energy source (bodyfat) to help support a growing fetus and the mother if there is any issue with available food sources (i.e. a drought scenario). This is by design and using an estrogen inibitor as a weight-loss strategy is not a good idea. Estrogen is one of the three basic hormones that make up who we are, and drive everything from moods to how we look and feel. Estrogen is there for a purpose and should not be completely suppressed only for the purpose of fat loss.

Nolvadex acts to fake out the estrogen receptors (envision a safety protector that you put into outlets as part of baby-proofing your house) and essentially cutting off the estrogen process, instead of literally turning it off. For cycle duration, it is recommended to keep it to 4-8 weeks maximum. Long-term use of Nolvadex has the potential to introduce health issues as described in this article: Side effects of long-term use of tamoxifen (Facts on Unsaturated Fats | LIVESTRONG.COM). .In the extreme, full estrogen shut down in women can lead to what is often referred to as the "Female Athlete Triad" - basically estrogen shutdown as a result of an eating disorder such as anorexia, which leads to reduction in calcium, and eventually to brittle bones and a host of other issues related to a stopped period. Here is an overview of this particular issue: http://www.womenssportsfoundation.or...ick-Facts.aspx. Though this discussion is not focused on eating disorders, the end result, if someone decided to use medical estrogen suppression as a long-term weightloss protocol, is the same. This is just to reinforce that this is not a good idea.

The estrogen process tends to be fairly resilient so coming off a reasonable duration cycle can produce an estrogen rebound when the process is no longer inhibited. There isn't much documentation about this rebound, but general guidance is to taper off a cycle by reducing the dose (e.g. in half, every 3 days).

In the context of this article, Aromatase Inhibitors are more specific to the estrogen produced as a result of using an aromatizing steroid . This means that the steroid cycle is more aggressive and will produce side effects such as water retention and potentially more mood swings, as the converted estrogen may be adding to natural estrogen levels, enhancing typical estrogen effects that might be experienced during a menstrual cycle. AI's are more commonly used by men who cycle as the increase in estrogen can produce such side effects in men as gynocomastia (enlarged breast tissue), water retention, mood swings, etc. For men, as well as women, full estrogen suppression is not helpful if the goal is to build muscle as water (e.g. from estrogen) is needed to create a "growth environment" in the muscle. . (This article is more geared towards men and the use of AIs to prevent gynecomastia , it still gives some context for value of estrogen in building muscle: http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthrea...SERM+Llewellyn). Estrogen suppression can help to create a tighter look (e.g. for competition), but full suppression can produce too much dryness, including painful joints.

Generally speaking AI's are not recommended for pre-menopausal women who are new to steroid cycling or using non-aromatizing compounds. If they choose to use an AI, it needs to be very conservatively used, as it is very easy to shut down estrogen with these compounds. The effects are similar to that noted above for long-term use of Nolvadex - hot flashes, etc.

Typical Use:
Primarily Nolvadex is used during the last 4-8 weeks of a contest prep to help reduce bodyfat in the hips / thighs / waist area. Again, it will not do the heavy lifting, but will support a tight contest prep. It is possible to experience either immediate interruption of menstrual flow, or breakthrough bleeding within 4 weeks of starting the cycle. Also once coming off, the effects will not be maintained and the estrogen-pattern bodyfat depositing will continue again. "Estrogen rebound" is often experienced as well, thus the taper down is recommended. Because of the potential of this rebound it is recommended to cycle Nolvadex with a specific end / target date in mind, followed by an expected rebound while your body recovers from the prep phase.
More aggressive aromatase inhibitors are not generally recommended unless you are an experienced cycler running aromatizing compounds such as NPP. If your cycle is intended for a bulker phase, then don't use the AIs as you need the estrogen to build muscle mass and the water gain is minimal with most compounds women use.

Typical Cycle:

Nolvadex: 10- 20 mg per day, split in half AM and half PM for maximum of 8 weeks.
Arimidex: 0.5 mg EOD (only with an aromatizing AAS) for maximum of 6-8 weeks
AIs are very aggressive and will produce dry-feeling joints. If you experience aggressive hot/cold flashes and feeling sick, taper off over a couple days and stay off.

Aromasin: 25 mg EOD (only with an aromatizing AAS) for a maximum of 6-8 weeks
AIs are very aggressive and will produce dry-feeling joints. If you experience aggressive hot/cold flashes and feeling sick, taper off over a couple days and stay off.

[itsmybody]

@GGR YES thank you and yes I most certainly saw this post. I have read it a few times and am going to look into it further....a lot further. There is a ton of info there for me to the brain around (that's a very good thing) and to consider. Again thank you a billion times over.

[itsmybody]

Day 10 post cycle
Honestly I HATE EVERYONE AND FEEL LIKE DEATH
Last 2 days at gym have been the worst ever.
Renaming the post cycle death as Chines Bird Flu
Praying by day 14 things will be getting back to status quo.
Some people experience this while others don't. Normally I would be happy for those that come off feeling fine...not today...today I seriously am not those peoples biggest fan.
I'm Out!

[GirlyGymRat]

Day 10 post cycle Honestly I HATE EVERYONE AND FEEL LIKE DEATH Last 2 days at gym have been the worst ever. Renaming the post cycle death as Chines Bird Flu Praying by day 14 things will be getting back to status quo. Some people experience this while others don't. Normally I would be happy for those that come off feeling fine...not today...today I seriously am not those peoples biggest fan. I'm Out!

Sounds like you need a snickers.....hopefully the worst has past.

[itsmybody]

Day 11 post cycle
Looks like I am over the hump! Bout time.
Still have joint issues. Still some water. Skin hasn't had any issues as of yet (fingers crossed) Biggest change is the headache...it is finally dissipating. That was new on this cycle and it was more stubborn than the world worst behaved spoiled rotten pubescent teenage girl!
After two days of the worst gym sessions ever I was able to actually repeat yesterday to create the damage that needed to be done to keep pushing these twiggers to grow! Already paying the price. Swell baby swell!!! Wasn't able to go as heavy as I would like but made up for it with more reps and lots of supersets. That always seems to do the trick. Of course knew this had to be done due to the knowledge that there was a homemade chocolate peanut butter cup brownie waiting as a reward after all...first we must earn the reward and second we have to eat to grow! POW!!!! Food coma and a satisfactory session. WIN WIN WIN

[itsmybody]

Sounds like you need a snickers.....hopefully the worst has past.

GGR took up that advice of yours...tonight there was a mass destruction of a chocolate peanut butter cup brownie....holy heavenly happiness!

[NACH3]

@NACH3
Finally had a chance to look into knees...they don't go in or out...just there looking at me...have decided knees and elbows are the 2 least physically appealing body parts on anyone. Thank you again for your research and input. Gonna have to keep pushing weight and eating to make the muscles grow. Signed...perma-fluff

That's a good thing - I've noticed that if the knees are ok - it then moves down to the shins etc - as you've mentioned very ugly BP LOL!

I'm very glad you and more females(well you/GGR/TGL(sometimes) hit the Diary up! The knowledge/wisdom/& experience(from the Big Guns) is really amazing! I think that thread can be a damn book! If anyone wants to grow - I'd strongly suggest reading that thread from beginning to end! It's so worth it!

So I've been wondering - since IMB has had the same post cycle results each time coming off - I'd think some of it is her metabolism - some guys start their pct for cyp(18 days after last pin) on day 14 b/c there metabolism is faster and speeds up the process of ones T levels dropping?! Just a thought?!?!

[GirlyGymRat]

NACH. You could be onto something with metabolism. Mine is slower then turtles and i have no sides. My dosages for VAR alone was 20mg and nothing whereas IMB taking 5mg and hurting for the past week and half.... So many variables???!!!????

[itsmybody]

Variables or not they kick my a$$ all day/night and could literally deal without them. The things we do for MUSCLES!!!! Or I'm just a grumpy little sh*t who cries like a baby...nope, the joint garbage, headaches and water retention are real. Guess I need to be thankful Chinese Bird Flu starts subsiding at day 10 and tapers off from there and results are still occurring!

[itsmybody]

Day12 post cycle....
Remember when you were an annoying little brat in the backseat of your parents car on family vacations driving for what felt like eternity persistently asking 'Are we there yet?'. Ummmmm yeah, well that is the current status. Most likely only a couple more days of bird flu however yours truly has resorted back to become that annoying little shit again!

All symptoms are leaving which only leaves one last hoorah which is a possible breakout...still keeping fingers crossed that all the extra water helps curtail that. Also praying that delightful brownie breakdown does not come back to bite me in the rear.

As for the physical appearance size is still noticeably bigger...at this point the last 2 pair of bottoms that fit are too small. Walking around gym with a wedgie that simply defeats all other wedgies in the history of mankind has taken place. Men...you are welcome for the little thrill but take notice...it ends now...just bought 3 more bottoms. Hope you enjoyed that little stint of my uncomfortableness for your viewing pleasure. Now onto tops...none of those fit either. Armpits now get chaffed and lats are overly obnoxious before even getting a pump. Lastly removing a sports bra is flat out dangerous. Pretty sure eye protection needs to be worn. It's like an entirely new extremely difficult contortionist act to get it off and it's like a sling shot soaring through the room landing who knows where on the floor. Thankfully the trustee training partner (my dog) is forever loyal and does not mind fetching and bringing said sweaty slingshot to me! Actually that sick pup likes it. Nasty!!!!

[itsmybody]

Day 14 post cycle
Well....
Sleep is still in 2 hr increments
Joints still hurt in hands...especially right hand
Going to take the rest of the week off from weights (don't want to but think body is due for a recharge after 14 months @6 days/week and zero time off) Will see how it goes. HOWEVER will do a quick 20 min HIIT cardio session daily as to not completely freak out...have to get a little sweaty daily for sanity.
Still no skin issues
Only a very slight hint of the headache remains
Also pulling myself off all caffeine and pre workout for a minimum of 2 weeks to try n reset the chemistry set...haven't had preworkout for a week already.
That's all folks!
Oh and great news....landed 3 job offers in the big city...now to figure out which one

[GirlyGymRat]

Awesome on the job offers!!! Always nice to be in demand

Take a break. Don't lift for a week. Cardio optimal. Enjoy

[itsmybody]

Awesome on the job offers!!! Always nice to be in demand Take a break. Don't lift for a week. Cardio optimal. Enjoy

Thank you! Very excited to have options.
Def gonna do tiny cardio, truly will go bonkers w/o doing anything.

[Mr.BB]

As for the physical appearance size is still noticeably bigger...at this point the last 2 pair of bottoms that fit are too small. Walking around gym with a wedgie that simply defeats all other wedgies in the history of mankind has taken place. Men...you are welcome for the little thrill but take notice...it ends now...just bought 3 more bottoms. Hope you enjoyed that little stint of my uncomfortableness for your viewing pleasure. Now onto tops...none of those fit either. Armpits now get chaffed and lats are overly obnoxious before even getting a pump. Lastly removing a sports bra is flat out dangerous. Pretty sure eye protection needs to be worn. It's like an entirely new extremely difficult contortionist act to get it off and it's like a sling shot soaring through the room landing who knows where on the floor.

****!! I need a new gym