150 lb newb Half way through 1st cycle

**Jamieb777** · 09-15-2009, 02:27 PM

Age: 25
Height: 5,10
Weight: 152 lb

**CHAP** · 09-15-2009, 02:37 PM

What are your stats?

**energizer bunny** · 09-15-2009, 03:40 PM

hey man looking good.....stats...

**Jamieb777** · 09-15-2009, 04:46 PM

cheers ive added stats

**energizer bunny** · 09-15-2009, 04:54 PM

you look bigger than 150lbs IMO........people will say you should of waited and done more naturally.....to late now.......nice shape keep up the good work...

**Jamieb777** · 09-15-2009, 05:07 PM

Ano i look bigger then 150lbs in person aswell its weird, I tryed last year naturally for 10 months and didnt gain as much has i have in the last 7 weeks on this cycle.

**dedic8ed1** · 09-15-2009, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Jamieb777

Ano i look bigger then 150lbs in person aswell its weird, I tryed last year naturally for 10 months and didnt gain as much has i have in the last 7 weeks on this cycle.

So many ways to respond to this statement but I'll just take the high road and say you have a good base for bodybuilding.

**Gaspari1255** · 09-15-2009, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by energizer bunny

you look bigger than 150lbs IMO........people will say you should of waited and done more naturally.....to late now.......nice shape keep up the good work...

No...he doesn't. He looks like a 150lb male at about 6-7% body fat. Super lean and vascular but is NOT ready for AAS use. However, the ship already set sail, good luck and start eating a lot more, especially on PCT.

**Dont wanna be old** · 09-15-2009, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by ******

No...he doesn't. He looks like a 150lb male at about 6-7% body fat. Super lean and vascular but is NOT ready for AAS use. However, the ship already set sail, good luck and start eating a lot more, especially on PCT.

****** says it all , good luck !

**Juturna** · 09-15-2009, 06:54 PM

Have you worked on your chest at all?

**Bradly1234** · 09-15-2009, 06:56 PM

got legs?

**dedic8ed1** · 09-15-2009, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Juturna

Have you worked on your chest at all?

Corey please post your before and after pic and show our new member what an educated approach to natural bodybuilding can provide.

**xnotoriousx** · 09-15-2009, 10:07 PM

Never knock the results of a serious diet because the sad reality is if you can only gain it on AS, then you can only keep it on AS.

If you got better results from 7 weeks of gear then you did from 10 months from natural training then something is wrong.

**xnotoriousx** · 09-15-2009, 10:09 PM

My advice would be to get over to the diet forum and get that thing tuned and ready to combat losing it all after you come off.

It's 70% diet... Maybe more.

**Jamieb777** · 09-16-2009, 02:30 AM

Cheers for the info guys, i understand importance of diet now but didnt before thats maybe y i didnt gain as much last time.

**Juturna** · 09-16-2009, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by dedic8ed1

Corey please post your before and after pic and show our new member what an educated approach to natural bodybuilding can provide.

OP - I've included some photos to hopefully persuade you the importance of a proper diet. I recommend getting some help - listen to people like Dedic8ed and Jamy and there's no limitations to your improvements.

**Jamieb777** · 09-16-2009, 04:31 AM

Ye defo excellent transformation how long is it between the pics

**energizer bunny** · 09-16-2009, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by ******

No...he doesn't. He looks like a 150lb male at about 6-7% body fat. Super lean and vascular but is NOT ready for AAS use. However, the ship already set sail, good luck and start eating a lot more, especially on PCT.

that is your opinion and like i stated that was my opinion.....i never mentioned he was ready for steroids .....

**liftw8t** · 09-16-2009, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jamieb777

Age: 25
Height: 5,10
Weight: 152 lb

I havent checked my BF in a while ill up it tamoz

No way in hell you are 5'10" and look like that at 150 dude i'm 5' 10" and here is my picture when i first hit 170 like 2 years ago and you look bigger than me either you are shorter than 5'10" or bigger than 150 either you still look good. keep up the good work.

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**Gaspari1255** · 09-16-2009, 08:01 AM

[QUOTE=liftw8t;4864205]No way in hell you are 5'10" and look like that at 150 dude i'm 5' 10" and here is my picture when i first hit 170 like 2 years ago and you look bigger than me either you are shorter than 5'10" or bigger than 150 either you still look good. keep up the good work.

OR he has no legs.

**liftw8t** · 09-16-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by liftw8t

No way in hell you are 5'10" and look like that at 150 dude i'm 5' 10" and here is my picture when i first hit 170 like 2 years ago and you look bigger than me either you are shorter than 5'10" or bigger than 150 either you still look good. keep up the good work.

OR he has no legs.

Even so I dont think he would look like that at 150. Maybe its just me

**NMacFar** · 09-16-2009, 08:19 AM

Looking good, you need to hit that chest of yours and you'll be looking mean. Keep up the good work!

**redz** · 09-16-2009, 08:21 AM

No way in hell you are 5'10" and look like that at 150 dude i'm 5' 10" and here is my picture when i first hit 170 like 2 years ago and you look bigger than me either you are shorter than 5'10" or bigger than 150 either you still look good. keep up the good work.

I dunno his arms aren't very big and it looks like he has very small traps and probably not much going on the back. Also who knows what his legs look like could be twigs.

**diamond** · 09-16-2009, 08:33 AM

damn.. hot pics

**stpete** · 09-16-2009, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Jamieb777

Cheers for the info guys, i understand importance of diet now but didnt before thats maybe y i didnt gain as much last time.

What's your diet look like now? What compounds are you using and what are your goals?
More importantly, have you tried getting ahold of Diamond? She looks interesting. hahahaha......

**diamond** · 09-16-2009, 10:02 AM

lmao hahahah thanks *blush...*

**Mooseman33** · 09-16-2009, 01:20 PM

wow, that is a very small frame..
u should eat, eat, and eat.

i never understood the starvation look.

**energizer bunny** · 09-16-2009, 01:51 PM

Starvation my ass.......nowt wrong with that look.......

**Jamieb777** · 09-16-2009, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by liftw8t

No way in hell you are 5'10" and look like that at 150 dude i'm 5' 10" and here is my picture when i first hit 170 like 2 years ago and you look bigger than me either you are shorter than 5'10" or bigger than 150 either you still look good. keep up the good work.

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I swear they are my stats m8, personally i think you look better maybe its my legs i work them out once a week maybe its not enough cheers for the comment.

**Jamieb777** · 09-16-2009, 04:19 PM

Cheers for comments guys my back isnt bad actually and my legs are average ill up a pic tamoz.
And how i look on the pic is me ive always had a muscular frame ive always been a big eater but my BF has stayed the same (luckly) it must be genetics my brothers exactly same and hes never picked a weight up or done a situp in his life.
I work my chest twice a week when i do my tris but i agree it needs to be bigger is there anything anyone would recommend to even it out cheers J.

**liftw8t** · 09-16-2009, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Jamieb777

Cheers for comments guys my back isnt bad actually and my legs are average ill up a pic tamoz.
And how i look on the pic is me ive always had a muscular frame ive always been a big eater but my BF has stayed the same (luckly) it must be genetics my brothers exactly same and hes never picked a weight up or done a situp in his life.
I work my chest twice a week when i do my tris but i agree it needs to be bigger is there anything anyone would recommend to even it out cheers J.

I tried the twice a week chest thing before and I feel I overtrained it. So might want to do once a week unless you spread it like 3 to 4 days apart and do like one heavy compound movement day then the other like light squeeze it will stimulate the muscle differently which may cause good growth

**Jamieb777** · 09-16-2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by liftw8t

I tried the twice a week chest thing before and I feel I overtrained it. So might want to do once a week unless you spread it like 3 to 4 days apart and do like one heavy compound movement day then the other like light squeeze it will stimulate the muscle differently which may cause good growth

Normally i do 3-4 sets of 8 reps bench, then dips, and then flys.
would it be ok to do bench and dips mon then flys on thursday or should i change my routine.

**Juturna** · 09-16-2009, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jamieb777

Ye defo excellent transformation how long is it between the pics

About 6 months.

**Juturna** · 09-16-2009, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jamieb777

Normally i do 3-4 sets of 8 reps bench, then dips, and then flys.
would it be ok to do bench and dips mon then flys on thursday or should i change my routine.

Routine change. You've left out important workouts such as incline press, crossovers and pullovers. Stop doing bar work as well, use dumbbells to help isolate your chest more. Fly's can be done on your regular chest day - don't separate them. I also recommend changing your set's reps as well - doing 8 all the time is becoming normal for your body it seems.

CHEST
Dumbell press 4sets x 6-10 (10,8,8,6)
Flat bench fly’s 4sets x 6-10 (10,8,8,6)
Incline bench press 5sets x 6-10 (10,10,8,8,6)
Cable crossovers 6sets x 10-12 (12,10,10,8,6)
Dips (body weight) 5sets x failure
Dumbbell pullovers 4sets x 10-12 (12,12,10,10)

Your not doing enough IMO (though some will say what I've said is a lot), but since your chest is weak, I guarantee this will help you see improvements in both strength and size.

**TOP** · 09-16-2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by ******

No...he doesn't. He looks like a 150lb male at about 6-7% body fat. Super lean and vascular but is NOT ready for AAS use. However, the ship already set sail, good luck and start eating a lot more, especially on PCT.

Agreed. So not ready for AAS its like buying a car and not knowing how to drive yet. BUT you do look good. The fact of the matter that is being overlooked here is that you could look like that without the gear!! I promise!!! Def listen to everyone about the diet!! If your 5'10 i really dont see a problem with you breaking over 200lbs naturally.

**Gaspari1255** · 09-16-2009, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Juturna

Routine change. You've left out important workouts such as incline press, crossovers and pullovers. Stop doing bar work as well, use dumbbells to help isolate your chest more. Fly's can be done on your regular chest day - don't separate them. I also recommend changing your set's reps as well - doing 8 all the time is becoming normal for your body it seems.

CHEST
Dumbell press 4sets x 6-10 (10,8,8,6)
Flat bench fly’s 4sets x 6-10 (10,8,8,6)
Incline bench press 5sets x 6-10 (10,10,8,8,6)
Cable crossovers 6sets x 10-12 (12,10,10,8,6)
Dips (body weight) 5sets x failure
Dumbbell pullovers 4sets x 10-12 (12,12,10,10)

Your not doing enough IMO (though some will say what I've said is a lot), but since your chest is weak, I guarantee this will help you see improvements in both strength and size.

28 sets for chest? You are entitled to your opinion but that is some serious over-training.

Here's what I would do;

Incline BB: 4 sets (8-10 reps)
Flat DB: 3 Sets (8-10 Reps)
Decline BB: 3 Sets (10-12)
Incline Flies 3 Sets (10-12)
Cable Cross Overs/Flies/Pec Dec: 2 Sets (10-12)

...and some people are gonna even argue that 15 sets is over-training, to each his own

**Gaspari1255** · 09-16-2009, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Jamieb777

Normally i do 3-4 sets of 8 reps bench, then dips, and then flys.
would it be ok to do bench and dips mon then flys on thursday or should i change my routine.

Save the dips for triceps. The Decline bench will be a friend of yours on chest day.

**krisko** · 09-16-2009, 07:42 PM

Why does everyone amuse that everyone body is the same and everyone can naturally get up to 180-190 pounds easily and only that's when you should start AS. Did it ever occur to anyone that everyone has different genes and smaller/ skinner bone structures?

Hey bro you looked great I could tell you where ripped before you started and needed that extra boost to get you up where you wanted. Looks like it worked great job. I don't think you should have any problems holding your gains only because your still close your weight Its not like you went from 150 to 210 pounds of extra weight. Its no different from someone going from 180 pounds to 210.

**Gaspari1255** · 09-16-2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by krisko

Why does everyone amuse that everyone body is the same and everyone can naturally get up to 180-190 pounds easily and only that's when you should start AS. Did it ever occur to anyone that everyone has different genes and smaller/ skinner bone structures? Hey bro you looked great I could tell you where ripped before you started and needed that extra boost to get you up where you wanted. Looks like it worked great job. I don't think you should have any problems holding your gains only because your still close your weight Its not like you went from 150 to 210 pounds of extra weight. Its no different from someone going from 180 pounds to 210.

As a matter of fact, it has occured to me. That is why we send people over to the diet section. Food will cure any genetically small mans problem.

**dedic8ed1** · 09-17-2009, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by ******

28 sets for chest? You are entitled to your opinion but that is some serious over-training.

Here's what I would do;

Incline BB: 4 sets (8-10 reps)
Flat DB: 3 Sets (8-10 Reps)
Decline BB: 3 Sets (10-12)
Incline Flies 3 Sets (10-12)
Cable Cross Overs/Flies/Pec Dec: 2 Sets (10-12)

...and some people are gonna even argue that 15 sets is over-training, to each his own

Over training has it's benefits it's all dependent on the individual.I do roughly 20 sets for chest,shoulders,back even more and 12 sets for bi's and same with tri's.Some people recover a lot quicker then others.My leg workout might shock you but I don't rest between sets for more then a couple seconds on most workouts with static's included.