Tim Hardaway: 'I Hate Gay People'

[Logan13]

Yeah, and everyone has the right to reveal how ignorant and fearful they are for the whole world to see (or for other ignorant/fearful people to chime in hatefully).

Personally feeling the way that Hardaway obviously does is one thing, but to tell the world about it is just dumb, especially for a person who is in the national spotlight. ESPN radio was saying how his career was over, but I really doubt that many avid BK fans will care much.

[Logan13]

WHAT? that has nothing at all to do with what I said.

I said, if men had boobs I think we would be less obsessed with them, cuz we'd see ours all day. how are you all failing to understand this? its a pretty simple concept.

the bits we find attractive about women are the differences right? the curves, nice round bums, boobs, hair etc....if we had tits ourselves we'd be less interested in them...thats all I'm saying.

where u managed to find anything about being attracted to men with boobs in that I have no idea

both sexes have a backdoor, but gays are not necesarily attracted to the one on a female........

[Mike Dura]

I have often have that problem with him too. When he doesn't understand me he assumes that I'm bullshitting or blowing smoke up his ass.

I don't think you're right however (about the boobs). I have a minor case of gyno and I still obsess over woman's boobs. There's a sexy black woman i work with and the vibe has been going back and forth - it's just a matter of time before my obsession gets expressed "hands on."

WHAT? that has nothing at all to do with what I said.

I said, if men had boobs I think we would be less obsessed with them, cuz we'd see ours all day. how are you all failing to understand this? its a pretty simple concept.

the bits we find attractive about women are the differences right? the curves, nice round bums, boobs, hair etc....if we had tits ourselves we'd be less interested in them...thats all I'm saying.

where u managed to find anything about being attracted to men with boobs in that I have no idea

[Logan13]

I have often have that problem with him too. When he doesn't understand me he assumes that I'm bullshitting or blowing smoke up his ass.

I don't think you're right however (about the boobs). I have a minor case of gyno and I still obsess over woman's boobs. There's a sexy black woman i work with and the vibe has been going back and forth - it's just a matter of time before my obsession gets expressed "hands on."

I do not see where you have gyno? Did you just get it?

[mavsluva]

if a man is not defined by his behavior, what prey tell is he defined by?

Think of it as a parent/child relationship. A kid may express a certain behavior that drives his/her parents insane. But at the end of the day, the parents still have a deep love for their child.

I'm sure my wife dislikes a few things about me, but it doesn't change her love for me. We as humans are supposed to love each other unconditionally in the same way, regardless of our petty little differences.

[biglouie250]

WHAT? that has nothing at all to do with what I said.

I said, if men had boobs I think we would be less obsessed with them, cuz we'd see ours all day. how are you all failing to understand this? its a pretty simple concept.

the bits we find attractive about women are the differences right? the curves, nice round bums, boobs, hair etc....if we had tits ourselves we'd be less interested in them...thats all I'm saying.

where u managed to find anything about being attracted to men with boobs in that I have no idea

dude men like seeing boobs not because they are different but because we have testosterone and thousands of years of evolution telling us to club women and drag them back to our caves!!! i happen to have a fantastic ass but that doesnt stop me from fondling my womans ass!

actually i think bojangles might have a better insight and i think it has to do with the fact that breasts and vaginas are associated with motherhood and subconsioucly we as animals feel the need to procreate. therefore we find female organs attractive in that sense and it translates into horniness.

[Mike Dura]

I have minimal gyno. It goes up and down. Its manageable. I only use Nolvadex . I should probably have some letro on hand but I seem to be able to manage it.

I do not see where you have gyno? Did you just get it?

[SMYL_GR8]

As I've said before, 80% of my patients are gay and therefore, I probably have more interactions with gay men than any straight guy on here. Of course I don't hate them as a group b/c of the few that have done bad things to me just as I don't hate Jews for the few that have royally screwed me over, but to think it's just perfectly fine and ok is ludicrous. I see a distinct and significant difference between the stability and survival instincts of gay men and hetero men.

[Carlos_E]

if you hate blacks your racist....if you believe men are superior to women your sexist. these words recognize the hate or bigotry for blacks and women. but if you hate gays your homophobic? the word means "scared of gays" that doesnt make sense to me. im not scared of gay people i just get grossed out by guys doing each other. homophobia is a made up word and doesnt actually exist. hatred of gays exists, not being scared of them. its true that generally people who hate others have some self hatred and thats not just in the case of hating gays. IE hitler was into the master race with blue eyes and blonde hair but he himself had brown eyes and brown hair and killed those that werent part oif his "master race". Rush Limbaugh says all drug users should be killed then gets addicted to oxycontin and uses viagra regularly. the staunch conservative priest who condemns others and who vowed celebacy gets caught with a man/woman or child......

me saying that homosexuality grosses me out does not make me homophobic. cow turds gross me out, am i secretly in love with that? no. i would never preclude a gay man from advancing in the workplace or becoming an elected official. and i believe gays should have equal marriage rights. but the idea of a gay man staring at my naked body creeps me out, the idea of butt sex between 2 guys grosses me out. thats all. im sorry im not a fruity P.C. cry baby its just the way i feel.

OK SO CARLOS IS THE ONLY GAY MAN IM SCARED OF!

I was waiting for someone to pull my name into this. You are afraid of me why?

[Carlos_E]

tim has his opinion and is entitled to it. now i dont agree with him as i could care less what sexual orientation anyone is. However i will say that this is something that is different then most work conditions. if i were changing in a room with naked women wouldnt that make them uncomfortable? im a straight guy and i know as a man there is no turning off of those sexual feelings. i see boobies i get excited. john ameche is a man, albeit a gay man....he gets excited seeing penis.....i wouldnt feel so comfortable knowing that the guy next to me is dreaming about my wang.

I am a gay man and seeing a penis does not get me excited. Are you attracted to every woman you see? Are you attracted to every breast you see? I sincerely hope not. It would mean you're getting off when you look at my grand mother.

Love the man for who he is, not his behavior.

Being gay is who you are. Not a behavior.

i think the idea gays like to look at cocks so much is ridiculous. think about it, if we had tits do you really think we'd like staring at girls tits so much?

Exactly. If I want to see a dick I'd look at my own.

so you dont excited by seeing a naked man? i never get tired of seeing boobies!

No I don't. Do you get excited at every naked woman you see?

[mavsluva]

Being gay is who you are. Not a behavior.

That was my point.

[Snrf]

I am a gay man and seeing a penis does not get me excited. Are you attracted to every woman you see? Are you attracted to every breast you see? I sincerely hope not. It would mean you're getting off when you look at my grand mother.

ahahahaha, rofl!

I been waiting for Carlos to chime in on this one all day.

[Logan13]

That was my point.

actually, it was mine as well. I guess that we were on the same page.

[BgMc31]

Hardaway has essentially ruined any possibility of moving forward with his NBA career. I realize he's retired as a player, but he was working on working his way up through the CBA as an player personnel person. He also runs several camps for youth in El Paso Texas, where he attended UTEP. I'm sure they will remove his name from those as well as UTEP cancelling an upcoming events associated with him.

It amazes me, how any black man can preach hate when we know, firsthand, how hate and ignorance can affect everday life. Sad to hear things like this.

[Carlos_E]

The entire topic is just weird. Do some of you think you're SOOOOOO hot that everyone will want you? You just assume that any gay man who sees you naked will gawk and fawn over you. It comes off as conceited. Like those pretty girls who thinks every man wants them. Sorry to tell you but a flaccid penis is not arousing. If you sport a hard on walking around the locker room, yeah... I'm sure you'd get a lot of looks.

When I'm at the gym changing in the locker room that is exactly what I'm doing. Changing and thinking about working out. No, I'm not checking out everyone else changing or watching guys get naked. Anyone who would do something like that is a perv.

Biglou please post a picture. You must be extremely attractive if you think every gay man wants to see you naked. You must be a 20 on a scale of 1 to 10. This I got to see.

[Logan13]

The entire topic is just weird. Do some of you think you're SOOOOOO hot that everyone will want you? You just assume that any gay man who sees you naked will gawk and fawn over you. It comes off as conceited. Like those pretty girls who thinks every man wants them. Sorry to tell you but a flaccid penis is not arousing. If you sport a hard on walking around the locker room, yeah... I'm sure you'd get a lot of looks.

When I'm at the gym changing in the locker room that is exactly what I'm doing. Changing and thinking about working out. No, I'm not checking out everyone else changing or watching guys get naked. Anyone who would do something like that is a perv.

Biglou please post a picture. You must be extremely attractive if you think every gay man wants to see you naked. You must be a 20 on a scale of 1 to 10. This I got to see.

I am a 21........ I think that we heteros have a preconceived idea about this Carlos, it doesn't make it right, but it is the truth since we can only judge it from one perspective.

[Act of God]

I don't know how I feel about this sub-conversation. I feel like most dudes will screw just about any chick given the chance. Hell, I've done some things I am not proud of...quite a few. I know for a fact I am not the exception to the rule. I also think that most guys would be turned on, at least a little, buy any naked chick within APPROPRIATE weight/age ranges.

It's just how it is, guys screw whatever they can. God forbid you introduce booze/drugs into the mix, the standards drop even further.

If the only fundamental difference between me and a gay dude is that I like chicks and he likes dudes (which I how I see it, no other real differences) wouldn't that apply the same way? It's not like a gay guy would have a woman's sex drive, he's still a guy. Hormonally he still has male hormones running around.

[SVTMuscle*]

The entire topic is just weird. Do some of you think you're SOOOOOO hot that everyone will want you? You just assume that any gay man who sees you naked will gawk and fawn over you. It comes off as conceited. Like those pretty girls who thinks every man wants them. Sorry to tell you but a flaccid penis is not arousing. If you sport a hard on walking around the locker room, yeah... I'm sure you'd get a lot of looks.

When I'm at the gym changing in the locker room that is exactly what I'm doing. Changing and thinking about working out. No, I'm not checking out everyone else changing or watching guys get naked. Anyone who would do something like that is a perv.

Biglou please post a picture. You must be extremely attractive if you think every gay man wants to see you naked. You must be a 20 on a scale of 1 to 10. This I got to see.

Pssst havn't you seen American Wedding!? Everyone wants a peice of the Stiffler!

[Snrf]

I am a 21........ I think that we heteros have a preconceived idea about this Carlos, it doesn't make it right, but it is the truth since we can only judge it from one perspective.

don't say "we heteros" like you're speaking for all of us.

[Tock]

so you dont excited by seeing a naked man? i never get tired of seeing boobies!

I suppose the difference is that I see a naked man every day -- me -- and as a date of mine once said, "It's no big thing." So if I see another naked guy, it's not like I've never seen male anatomy before. Dicks are hardly the most beautiful part of our bodies, anyway. So, no, naked men don't do much for me. A nice guy with a sense of humor who's halfway intelligent, single, available, and interested, well, that's a different story.

[chest6]

I like how everyone thinks they can just say "im sorry" and take back what they said THen itll get all better

Obviously not...cuz they said it in the first place

[Snrf]

I suppose the difference is that I see a naked man every day -- me -- and as a date of mine once said, "It's no big thing." So if I see another naked guy, it's not like I've never seen male anatomy before. Dicks are hardly the most beautiful part of our bodies, anyway. So, no, naked men don't do much for me. A nice guy with a sense of humor who's halfway intelligent, single, available, and interested, well, that's a different story.

See Logan? he isn't interested in you!

[Tock]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...s_and_vio.html


Andrew Sullivan's take on Straight & Gay Men in the Shower . . . pretty much says it all . . .

Friday, February 16, 2007
Showers and Violation
16 Feb 2007 05:01 pm

A reader writes:

I'm a little confused. The position espoused by the reader seems to miss a glaring point. How is a scenario where a homosexual man showers with heterosexual men materially different from one where a hetero male showers with a group of lesbians? In the latter case there's probably little chance of sexual congress (hetero fantasies notwithstanding) and I believe most conscientious men could probably get through such a shower without becoming overtly aroused but that's not the point. Any sexual pleasure derived from the women's naked bodies is a violation in the sense that there is no consent on the part of the lesbians. The fact that I'm able to control my physical response, in my opinion, does not mitigate the violation.

-----

I can see how the reader feels. The practical response is that it is perfectly feasible to separate men from women in terms of things like public restrooms, communal showers, etc. In school contexts, it is neither practical nor conscionable to ask gay men/boys to shower in a separate place, or to vet groups of men/boys as gay or straight. Most public gyms have an option for private stalls if some hetero men feel terrified of being "violated" by someone else's imagination. But it seems to me that if no one touches you or harasses you, you're not violated. You're insecure. Get over it.

[Primalinstinct]

Why are we talking about this?

ANNA IS DEAD FOR GOD'S SAKE!

[chest6]

lol what?/

Did you post in the wrong thread?

[Kale]

Why are we talking about this?

ANNA IS DEAD FOR GOD'S SAKE!

ROTFLMFAO !!!!!

[guest589745]

Well gay people are related to the devil aren't they?

[biglouie250]

I was waiting for someone to pull my name into this. You are afraid of me why?

your angry black man face is scary

[biglouie250]

I am a gay man and seeing a penis does not get me excited. Are you attracted to every woman you see? Are you attracted to every breast you see? I sincerely hope not. It would mean you're getting off when you look at my grand mother.

look at the context. tim hardaway was in the best shape of his life as a BB player. So a gay man would see a cut and in shape athlete.... Id liken it to me seeing a fitness model naked and in their best shape. that would excite me. an old man or flabby guy id assume wouldnt appeal to a gay man just like out of shape or elder women dont appeal to me. of course there will be chubby chasers on both sides.

[Mike Dura]

? you're kidding I hope. Ignorance is scary.

Well gay people are related to the devil aren't they?

[Snrf]

? you're kidding I hope. Ignorance is scary.

yeah skull was joking.


(i think)

[Tock]

look at the context. tim hardaway was in the best shape of his life as a BB player. So a gay man would see a cut and in shape athlete.... Id liken it to me seeing a fitness model naked and in their best shape. that would excite me. an old man or flabby guy id assume wouldnt appeal to a gay man just like out of shape or elder women dont appeal to me. of course there will be chubby chasers on both sides.

I guess you're easier to excite than I am. BB players don't do much for me, even if they're "cut and in shape." But then again, I can't speak for all gay or straight men . . . and I'm sure you don't, either . . .

[guest589745]

yeah skull was joking.


(i think)

I coulda swore I read in the inquirer that ancient remains of two males with small goat like horns on their foreheads, having sexual intercourse, were found deep within the center of the earth in a blazing inferno. The remains were thought to be that of the first gay male couple ever. No way it could've been made up.

[Snrf]

I coulda swore I read in the inquirer that ancient remains of two males with small goat like horns on their foreheads, having sexual intercourse, were found deep within the center of the earth in a blazing inferno. The remains were thought to be that of the first gay male couple ever. No way it could've been made up.

if the national enquirer printed it it must be true!

[Ufa]

In before the lock!

[DTBusta]

There are two different schools of thought on this matter.The right wingers seem to be the most off. Example Ted Haggert. Heres a man that was head of the evangelical church in Colorado. Married with children he headed up the 'New Life' church there with anit-gay propaganda. Telling people its a sick behavior. Then when he was caught in the act of drugs and a gay male prositute he resigned in discrace. However was this dude in the closet or what? He went to a rehab and came out saying he was hetero again. WTF I just don't get it. You can't do those things for years and go behind your wifes back if you really aren't gay. Please somone explaint his to me. Is he bi or what? and why come out and tell your followers that you are healed of being gay? What horrible kind of signal does that send to the millions hes preached to over the years?

[guest589745]

if the national enquirer printed it it must be true!

See, snrf knows whats up.

[Snrf]

They found heaven a couple years ago. did you see that one? looked strangely like a photoshopped building on a cloud.

you'd think god would be able to come up with something better than that

[guest589745]

They found heaven a couple years ago. did you see that one? looked strangely like a photoshopped building on a cloud.

you'd think god would be able to come up with something better than that

Thats the day I became a christian.

[Forza Mentale]

don't say "we heteros" like you're speaking for all of us.

somehow, I do not think that anyone was trying to include you that camp....