I can't believe what happened at Virgina Tech

[Dude-Man]

guns dont kill people dude

even if u ban guns the "bad guys" will ALWAYS find a way to get one.....and there will never be anything like that seeing as how we have the right to bear arms amendment 2 i believe..

Not that i'm anti-gun (i own a sig) this guy purchased his handgun legally.. so that argument doesn't really apply here.

[scaramouche]

thats exactly the reaction i expected when i metioned controling gun laws,call it liberal bs if u like i call it a cultural difference guns are embedded in american culture and like u say they will never be banned, we have had mass shootings in the uk but not since they banned hanguns and tightened up firearms laws in the early 90s,im not saying a ban would stop shootings but like it or not this kind of thing would happen a lot less if there were tighter laws,i understand u guys are proud of ur ammendments just like we brits are proud of our heritage

flame away guys,i can take it

[Haro3]

Not that i'm anti-gun (i own a sig) this guy purchased his handgun legally.. so that argument doesn't really apply here.

that makes no sense? someone was hinting towards banning weapons i said there would be no point because they would still acquire them.....and it just goes to show if he purchased his gun then he didnt "walk to his parents house and grab one" as someone stated...he did put effort into acquiring the gun

[Haro3]

thats exactly the reaction i expected when i metioned controling gun laws,call it liberal bs if u like i call it a cultural difference guns are embedded in american culture and like u say they will never be banned, we have had mass shootings in the uk but not since they banned hanguns and tightened up firearms laws in the early 90s,im not saying a ban would stop shootings but like it or not this kind of thing would happen a lot less if there were tighter laws,i understand u guys are proud of ur ammendments just like we brits are proud of our heritage

flame away guys,i can take it

no need to flame just saying it would never happen

and like i stated 3 posts back IF guns were outlawed or tighter laws whatever who's to say people wouldnt look into homemade bombs? or other weapons? jus like i said u could build a damn weapon with 20 mins on the internet.....but they'll never ban the internet...

im jus sayin you cant say it would happen less if guns were regulated any differently because theres always another option...

[IronReload04]

this guy was a sick $$$$

check out these plays he supposedly wrote

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/...ng-huis-plays/

[Bojangles69]

Stiffer laws or lighter laws for guns will not solve a g/damn thing.

He would have had more success cooking up some homemade acteox explosives and could have taken out the whole building by taking a simple little trip to home ***ot.

The only thing you REALLY can do is keep people AWARE and people need to understand this is part of human nature. The thing is, modern society teaches us acceptable ways to vent our aggression. Its more than common to have homocidal thoughts as a human being, as it is to be happy, as it is to be sad, as it is to be suicidal, as it is to experience ANY human emotion.

We evolved from an era where people were murdered for the same reason, NONE. In more brutal manners with more brutal weapons. People keep asking what has to be going through somebodies head to cause such a massacre?

EMOTIONS. Nothing else was going through his head. He wasn't possessed. His map of reality was simply distorted, it conflicted with the code of conduct in this modern world. This is how he *vented*. Some people can't understand that. But they dont need to understand now how outrageous his behavoir is, but how this is simply part of being human. People kill.

Its part of my reality. I dont walk around everyday afraid someone might pull a trigger out start pumping rounds at me. But I know one thing, If i hear a gunshot, I'm not going into shock, I'm not gonna to assume that shits construction outside. I'm reverting back to a mode that has somewhat been anethesized for a lot of people in modern society, the instinct to survive. We used it in the past, and we need to know how to react when this shit does happen.

Thats the ONLY real solution. It will ALWAYS happen, no matter WHAT laws are changed or how much prevention is taken. You always need to know to trust your insticts when your in a position like this. A gunshot sounds like one thing.. a gunshot. You NEVER run towards a gunshot (like im hearing a lot of students did) you jump out the fvking window and run for your life. Serioulsy, someones out in the hall shooting people and you open the door to see whats going on? NO! You run in the opposite direction as quick as you can.

I feel it was that a lot of these students ignored thier instincts and this is why a lot of them are now deceased. Sure some had no chance, he actually took the time to chain the doors shut. People need to know how to react imo. I'm just stunned, its like these kids just stood around like still targets waiting to get shot or others jumped on the floor. Like i just dont get it.

This was all about one thing RESPONSE. The schools response to the first shooting, and the students response to the second shooting. People need to know how to react in situations like this, with or without training. Common sense can go a long way in this world, and it doesnt look like much was used in this bloody massacre. Not putting any blame on the deceased, but some of the facts Im hearing are appalling about this whole catastrophy.

[Bojangles69]

this guy was a sick $$$$

check out these plays he supposedly wrote

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/...ng-huis-plays/

Thanks for the link, I was really curious about these plays.. reading now.

[spywizard]

did the news say where he got the gun? and who's to say if he couldnt have gotten a gun he could have gotten online spent 20 minutes and about 50$ and built a hellasious weapon.....so are you saying we should ban the internet and farm stores from carrying potential chemicals to keep people from building bombs etc?

wow, obviously you do not own guns..

the truth is obvious in your post..

[Lexed]

still puzzles me if your so ***ressed and such loner just fcking kill yourself Y take so many ppl with you.

[Bojangles69]

Wow. I just read both the plays. Its not the violence/molestation that shocked me, its how he conveys his sheer lack of social skills. I really believe he thought he was writing a suspenseful murder story but he was too socially retarded to see how bad of a writer he was.
I have written violent stories before for school but they were actually well written, about 1000 times better than this crap and Im not even an English major. How the hell did he even pass his classes and reach his senior year is my question? He really seems just dumb, maybe even retarded to a degree.

And Id be willing to bet 100 bucks right now he was molested as a child, its obvious by his stories. I think that lead to his social isolation and just amplified over the years...

[Haro3]

wow, obviously you do not own guns..

the truth is obvious in your post..

what? actually me and my dad collect...but i used to be part of a pyrotechnics club and im jus saying that being able to buy a gun was not the problem here

[Haro3]

still puzzles me if your so ***ressed and such loner just fcking kill yourself Y take so many ppl with you.

agreed

[Kennedy]

Check this out.......The State of VA tried just a year before to allowed students who had CCW permits to carry on school grounds....state rejected it...makes you think....


To All,

My heart goes out to the students of Virginia Tech University. It is TRULY a tragedy.

Over the next 6 months you're going to see posturing by University staff, posturing by the police, posturing by the legislature, posturing by the politicians, and posturing by the media.

You're going to hear about the guns, you're going to hear about the fact that he had more then one magazine, you're going to hear about how much ammo he carried. You're going to hear about how we need to restrict firearms, about how we need to ban certain firearms, about how we need to limit the amount of ammo somebody can buy.

There's one thing you won't hear in the mainstream news though. Please take a few minutes read these two articles from last year, and give it some thought.

When you're done reading, please repost.

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Thursday, January 26, 2006

Gun bill targets colleges

A bill being considered in the House of Delegates challenges the authority of public universities to restrict weapons on campus.
By Greg Esposito 381-1675

BLACKSBURG -- Seventy-five guns sit in a weapons storage facility at the Virginia Tech police station.

The guns are secured inside storage compartments in a locked room slightly larger than a walk-in closet.

University policy requires students and employees, other than police, to check their guns there. If they want to take them off campus, they have to sign them out, and a university police officer must retrieve them.

Regardless of whatever permits they may have, those students and employees are not allowed to possess guns on campus.

Tech's regulations are similar to gun policies at public colleges throughout the state, such as the University of Virginia, Virginia Military Institute and Radford University.

But a bill being considered in the state House of Delegates challenges the authority of public universities to create such policies.

House Bill 1572, proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, would prohibit universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."

The legislation makes exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.

The issue of guns on campus received attention at Tech last spring when a student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit.

Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy that reiterates the ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibits visitors from bringing guns into campus facilities.

Two bills seeking to clarify the issue by giving college governing boards explicit authority to regulate firearms on campus died in committee during last year's General Assembly session.

Philip Van Cleave, a Midlothian resident who is president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said Wednesday that public universities have no right to tell visitors where they can bring guns. Their authority over students remains a gray area, he said.

HB 1572 was proposed on behalf of Van Cleave's organization.

"The basic intent is to allow students with concealed weapons permits to be able to carry their gun with them on campus just like they can anywhere else in the state," he said. "You can count the number of exceptions on one hand."

But Tech Police Chief Debra Duncan said colleges should be included in those exceptions.

"You can't carry a gun on an airplane, you can't carry a gun in a federal building and you shouldn't be able to carry a gun at an institute of learning," she said.

Spokesman Gary Frink said Gilbert wouldn't discuss the bill until it moved further along in the legislative process. The bill is in subcommittee and Van Cleave said he didn't expect it to be heard for at least a couple of weeks.

While passage of the bill is still a long way off -- with hurdles to clear in subcommittee and full committee before going in front of all delegates and then the Senate -- Van Cleave is confident it could be passed.

"I don't believe we're overstepping any bounds. We get into this magical thing where someone steps on school property and the sky parts," he said. "School is just another place."

But officials at colleges throughout the state argue that school isn't just another place and guns are anathema to a learning environment that should be free of fear or intimidation.

Tech spokesman Larry Hincker labeled it a "guns-in-the-classroom bill."

"We do believe this has grave implications," he said. "Why would the General Assembly wish to legislate to make campuses unsafe?"

But National R***e Association head Wayne LaPierre, who was in Roanoke on Wednesday to speak to a Kiwanis Club gathering, pointed out that guns can actually make campuses safer.

He cited the fatal shootings at the Appalachian School of Law in which several armed students subdued the gunman.

Van Cleave pointed out potential safety problems facing women going to night classes.

"You never know when evil will pop up," he said.

Van Cleave said his group has heard from several students who want the right to carry guns on campus.

Stephanie Harmon, president of the Radford University Student Government Association, said she would bring the topic up at a student senate meeting Monday before the student government took an official stance on the bill.

But she opposes it.

"It's not that I'm opposed to gun rights, it's just not necessary," she said. "It's taking an increased risk of something happening when you allow a gun in the classroom."

Staff writer Laurence Hammack contributed to this story.

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Tuesday, January 31, 2006

Gun bill gets shot down by panel

HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.
By Greg Esposito - 381-1675

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.

Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."

The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.

Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.

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Stay safe, take courses, carry often. We owe it to our family, our friends, and our community. When the chips are down, all the moral high ground in the world will NOT save you.


Justin "RealFastV6"
NRA Instructor - CT Pistol Permits
ASAA Advanced Defensive Handgun - Distinguished Grad (90%+)

[Dude-Man]

that makes no sense? someone was hinting towards banning weapons i said there would be no point because they would still acquire them.....and it just goes to show if he purchased his gun then he didnt "walk to his parents house and grab one" as someone stated...he did put effort into acquiring the gun

Someone like him with, absolutely no social ability, would not have been able to locate, and certainly would not have the suave to negotiate an illegal arms purchase. He went to a normal store and made a perfectly normal transaction.

Again, your argument applies only to crimes that were committed by illegally acquired weapons. Issues like this serve only to defeat your standpoint. It's much, much easier to acquire a gun legally than it is illegally. And much more dangerous.

If you want to see the effect that tighter gun controls have on gun violence, just look at great britain. New york city, with 1/8 of britain's total population, had over 10 times the number of gun related homocides last year.

[Bojangles69]

Wait, did you just say TIGHtER gun control leads to MORE gun violenc?
That makes no sense at all.

[Carlos_E]

Wait, did you just say TIGHtER gun control leads to MORE gun violenc?

No, he did not. NYC is 1/8 the size of Britain yet we have 10 times as many gun related deaths.

On a side note. Most of the guns used in NYC crimes trace back to the state of Virginia.

[RA]

I knew eventually someone would start blaming the guns....here we go again.

[Kennedy]

Read the articles

[Logan13]

I knew eventually someone would start blaming the guns....here we go again.

I never understood why, knowing that although crack is illegal it still finds plenty of users, these anti-gun people think that taking the 2nd amendment away will produce a different result.

[BgMc31]

I never understood why, knowing that although crack is illegal it still finds plenty of users, these anti-gun people think that taking the 2nd amendment away will produce a different result.

Totally agree Logan. The parallels are uncanny. Drugs have been illegal for years and people still find a way to get high. They tried the same with outlawing alcohol and people still drank. If you outlaw guns, people will still acquire them.

Everyone needs to just look at South Africa's gun laws. Very strict, but South Africa has the highest instances of gun-related deaths as any other modern country.

[123BJ]

waste of a life!!!... should have been aborted!! all that can be said about that bag of sh-- it!

[OPSTER]

I knew eventually someone would start blaming the guns....here we go again.

No doubt... I'm Canadian, and let me tell you that getting a gun (illegally) is not difficult at all. Perhaps, because this guy was not very social, he may have had a problem getting one, but anyone who knows a couple people can get one.

I think the problem with the U.S. is that they have too much gun control, when they are, by constitution set up to have none... if everyone carried a gun, shootings like the one at this school would not happen.

[Carlos_E]

No doubt... I'm Canadian, and let me tell you that getting a gun (illegally) is not difficult at all. Perhaps, because this guy was not very social, he may have had a problem getting one, but anyone who knows a couple people can get one.

I think the problem with the U.S. is that they have too much gun control, when they are, by constitution set up to have none... if everyone carried a gun, shootings like the one at this school would not happen.

Bull. You know how many hot headed dumb asses walk down the street looking for a fight? Now imagine all of them carrying a gun.

[x_moe]

No doubt... I'm Canadian, and let me tell you that getting a gun (illegally) is not difficult at all. Perhaps, because this guy was not very social, he may have had a problem getting one, but anyone who knows a couple people can get one.

I think the problem with the U.S. is that they have too much gun control, when they are, by constitution set up to have none... if everyone carried a gun, shootings like the one at this school would not happen.

are you telling me that if everyone carried a gun then the US would be a safer place ?