"Putin vows 'arms race' response"

**Kärnfysikern** · 02-20-2008, 03:49 PM

As I se it, if we can not going to shape up we simply deserve to be the losers while china and india marches on.
Aslong as technology and science progress I dont care much of it is scientists named smith or ping pong that is doing the research.

The number one problem with science in the west is that the precautionary principle is applied to an absurd extent. We do not accept any risk, no matter how small, even if the return might be huge.

**Kärnfysikern** · 02-22-2008, 05:03 PM

Seems like I have been making a misstake when I claim enrollment to science and engineering programs in the west has gone down. Atleast in america its quite the opposit. Go USA!

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08302/

**sphincter** · 02-22-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Pooks

haha if they did that, we'd blast them with all our nukes.. and THEY know this.

ummm, actually, All our nukes are used only under the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) concept. We will not ever act first with nukes again (unless the politicians redefine terms again..)

**sphincter** · 02-22-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Logan13

What about the Russia's insult of supplying Iran with nuke building materials or blocking UN sanctions? You did not seem to be out-spoken about that. Again, you need to become more consistent if your are going to offer your opinion.

EXACTLY!! People who are OBJECTIVElY assessing a situation won't blindly follow a principle just because of national or other affiliation. In the case of supplying nukes to Iran, Russia is wrong, in regards to being within their rights to defend themselves, they are right.

Objectivity will bring much more clarity into a situation so that you can THEN make a decision based on true facts and information and then you can mix in all the neo-political BS you like to.

**Kärnfysikern** · 02-23-2008, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by sphincter

EXACTLY!! People who are OBJECTIVElY assessing a situation won't blindly follow a principle just because of national or other affiliation. In the case of supplying nukes to Iran, Russia is wrong, in regards to being within their rights to defend themselves, they are right.

Objectivity will bring much more clarity into a situation so that you can THEN make a decision based on true facts and information and then you can mix in all the neo-political BS you like to.

Russia isnt supplying "nukes" to iran. They are building a power reactor and supplying low enrichend uranium(U235<5%). SO in what way is that "wrong"? Its not wrong from any imaginable perspective since it is not usable for weapons purposes.

**soulstealer** · 02-23-2008, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern

Russia isnt supplying "nukes" to iran. They are building a power reactor and supplying low enrichend uranium(U235<5%). SO in what way is that "wrong"? Its not wrong from any imaginable perspective since it is not usable for weapons purposes.

Exactly it would be as if we we're worried about a samurai showdown and Russia went and gave Iran a butter knife.... Ya it could kill someone if they get close enough

but not goona do much against a katana and we wanna bomb the shit out of them because of that

**Prada** · 02-23-2008, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern

Russia isnt supplying "nukes" to iran. They are building a power reactor and supplying low enrichend uranium(U235<5%). SO in what way is that "wrong"? Its not wrong from any imaginable perspective since it is not usable for weapons purposes.

Correct

Originally Posted by soulstealer

Exactly it would be as if we we're worried about a samurai showdown and Russia went and gave Iran a butter knife.... Ya it could kill someone if they get close enough but not goona do much against a katana and we wanna bomb the shit out of them because of that

Interesting analogy.

**gixxerboy1** · 02-23-2008, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by sphincter

EXACTLY!! People who are OBJECTIVElY assessing a situation won't blindly follow a principle just because of national or other affiliation. In the case of supplying nukes to Iran, Russia is wrong, in regards to being within their rights to defend themselves, they are right.

Objectivity will bring much more clarity into a situation so that you can THEN make a decision based on true facts and information and then you can mix in all the neo-political BS you like to.

And we dont belive Russia or Iran when they say its for a reactor.

But the world is supposed to believe us when we say its just a missile deffence shield in Poland. But its nothing against you Russia.

**Pooks** · 02-23-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

And we dont belive Russia or Iran when they say its for a reactor.

But the world is supposed to believe us when we say its just a missile deffence shield in Poland. But its nothing against you Russia.

Cool.. yah Iran can worry about itself and try to go nuclear.
and we'll worry about ourselves and bomb em.

Russia can worry about itself, and oppose us at every turn in international policies,
and we'll worry about ourselves, and build a missile defence shield, starting with our friends in Poland.

**gixxerboy1** · 02-23-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Pooks

Cool.. yah Iran can worry about itself and try to go nuclear.
and we'll worry about ourselves and bomb em.

Russia can worry about itself, and oppose us at every turn in international policies,
and we'll worry about ourselves, and build a missile defence shield, starting with our friends in Poland.

I'm just saying we dont believe anyone else when they are doing something. But yet we are suprised when the rest of the world doesnt believe us.