israel and the white phosphorus use....guilty or not guilty

[BuffedGuy]

and nothing just on you original post and since you changed it it no longer makes sense

I generally edit my posts like four or five times due to the number of errors. Sorry about that.

[RangersLTW]

[*RAGE*]

I generally edit my posts like four or five times due to the number of errors. Sorry about that.

as you can tell i dont edit mine i just look like a dumb a**

[BuffedGuy]

as you can tell i dont edit mine i just look like a dumb a**

Haha, I've just got an obsessive compulsive thing going on with grammar and spelling.

[*RAGE*]

Haha, I've just got an obsessive compulsive thing going on with grammar and spelling.

not me and my spell check on this site dont work and trust me I use spell check all the time....

[*RAGE*]

what up my brother enjoying the show.lmao

[RangersLTW]

kinda

[amcon]

Ok game on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My statement in the quote was based on the video where the Iraqies were firing rockets at American soldiers and one blow up killing them that is when I wrote Inshallah (gods will).....I have also been told it means (if god wills it) either way. I do not understand how you can say they are not firing rockets at soldiers who have occupied thier home and country....Then who are they firing at????????????????? No you dont believe in holy war because if you did you would be on the first plane to Gaza fighting the holy way...(IF THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK THIS IS)..There is not such thing as a just war on what you have written....You said it (There can be nothing more just or righteous then fighting off a foreigners who colonize our lands....(first I though you were American) (second you can write all day every day on this and 1,000's of other websites but it is just words) Last but not least (MEN ARE REMEMBERED FOR THEIR ACTION NOT THEIR WORDS) Allahu Akbar click click boom


NOW YOU CHANGED IT

some one get a chalk board pronetorage just tallied up a few points
... listen, that is really a strong point hard to combat, buffedguy i love your passion but you have to realize your points prove you view... and though a person says they are not one sided - you drip and leak one sidedness from every poor you have in your body, you do believe in a holly war, so does israel - thus, that is why we are where we are... you have to, let me say that again, have to!!! respect israel's view... they were given the land of cannan... (in the first five books in the bible) and they will own it totally again some day. the time after moses say the land and did not enter to the comming of the messiha, that land and the inhabitance will have a true holly war!!! the cannanites are a curese nation, cursed with having to fight and never have peace.

and that my friend is the holly war. and if you can have that view against israel, they can have it against you

... "and for me and my house i will serve the Lord" and stay the heck out of the middle east and away from the crazyness

as for moneys going to israel... i can give you my guess on why so much and why the usa support to them seem like such a priority to our gov.

btw well written prone.(not flaming as in to some ones face just to the point and firm)

[RangersLTW]

sorry but I had to do this no offense.......but now I have this cadence in my head
I've been told it's not so neat,
To catch ****** burning in the street,
But burning flesh, it smells to sweet,
Napalm sticks to ****

[amcon]

what are the asterics??? come on i have a beat in my head to now and it is not totally right cause i dont know how to pronounce the asterics??!??!?! where is the justice!!!

[RangersLTW]

I don't want to get banned for this cadence......may be to much

[Dinosaur]

ya i look at this that way too... here to see the other side... bust balls just a little along the way...

much respect charrif, prone, and others including buffedguy.

you are welcome.

[Dinosaur]

you have to, let me say that again, have to!!! respect israel's view... they were given the land of cannan... (in the first five books in the bible) and they will own it totally again some day. the time after moses say the land and did not enter to the comming of the messiha, that land and the inhabitance will have a true holly war!!! the cannanites are a curese nation, cursed with having to fight and never have peace.

and that my friend is the holly war. and if you can have that view against israel, they can have it against you

we want to leave with israel side by side in peace. just like the chritians and the muslims in jerusalam, you will never hear problems going on between the two. that's the ideal leaving iam talking about with mutual respect and peace.

[BuffedGuy]

and though a person says they are not one sided - you drip and leak one sidedness from every poor you have in your body,

I do not think I am biased, but I have never ever said that I am not pro-Palestinian. Rather, I am very pro-Palestinian. It would be disingenuous of me to claim that I am neither pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli. I am pro-Palestinian because they are the colonized and occupied peoples. I am not pro-Israeli because they are the occupiers and oppressors.

you do believe in a holly war, so does israel - thus, that is why we are where we are... you have to, let me say that again, have to!!! respect israel's view...

My belief in a holy war coincides with international law, whereas Israel's belief in Eretz Israel does not. My belief in holy war is that it is ordained when someone invades our lands and runs us out of our homes...then it is permissible to fight the oppressor and throw them out. I do *not* believe it is permissible to use holy war to justify being the oppressor and occupier. If I had such a religious belief, then it would be in contradiction to international law, and as such, I could not possibly expect people of other faiths to tolerate it.

The Zionist view--that God gave them the land occupied by another peoples--is in contradiction to international law. So there is no moral equivalency between my belief and the Zionist one. My belief is in accordance to consent of the governed and popular sovereignty, and my belief is against colonialism, occupation, and oppression. On the other hand, the Zionist view runs totally against consent of the governed and popular sovereignty, which is the basis for international law.

The likeness of this is the religious belief I have that stealing is forbidden. If some person belonged to a religion that said stealing was permissible, do you think they could justify it by saying "you follow your religion, and I am following mine!" No. Because you cannot expect people of other faiths to accept your beliefs when they infringe on your own freedoms. My religious belief against stealing is supported by others only because it coincides with their own laws.

they were given the land of cannan... (in the first five books in the bible) and they will own it totally again some day. the time after moses say the land and did not enter to the comming of the messiha, that land and the inhabitance will have a true holly war!!! the cannanites are a curese nation, cursed with having to fight and never have peace.

According to traditional orthodox Judaism, the Jews were an exiled nation that were not to return to the land of Palestine/Israel until the Messiah came. By preempting that, they have disobeyed God. This is why orthodox Jews in generality were opposed to Zionists and Zionism during the late 1800's and early 1900's. Zionism was led by secular Jews who perverted religion to justify their colonial enterprise. To this day, there are orthodox Jews who hold this view, i.e. that the Zionists have disobeyed God by taking themselves out of exile without the permission of God.

[FallenWyvern]

I have wondered if all of this violence is god's(Allah's) will. Maybe god wants this to happen. He is all powerful after all... The only reason I thought of this is BuffedGuy always says god willing.


The other thing is that Israel is out of line on this for sure. I know that many people think that America should step aside forever with the mindless support of Israel. We need the money back home right now anyways.

[NightWolf]

Islam the religon of peace,


Buffguy do you think this looks peaceful?

[*RAGE*]

I have wondered if all of this violence is god's(Allah's) will. Maybe god wants this to happen. He is all powerful after all... The only reason I thought of this is BuffedGuy always says god willing.


The other thing is that Israel is out of line on this for sure. I know that many people think that America should step aside forever with the mindless support of Israel. We need the money back home right now anyways.

What? I am sorry, I was looking at your avatar....

[BuffedGuy]

Islam the religon of peace,


Buffguy do you think this looks peaceful?

Your pictures/images haven't been approved yet by the mods, so I can't see them. But I am expecting the worst, lol. Maybe a few angry guys burning effigies or with Death to this or that signs. Or a suicide bomber...Let's wait and see...

[BuffedGuy]

The other thing is that Israel is out of line on this for sure. I know that many people think that America should step aside forever with the mindless support of Israel. We need the money back home right now anyways.

Right on the money. Thank you.

[amcon]

I do not think I am biased, but I have never ever said that I am not pro-Palestinian. Rather, I am very pro-Palestinian. It would be disingenuous of me to claim that I am neither pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli. I am pro-Palestinian because they are the colonized and occupied peoples. I am not pro-Israeli because they are the occupiers and oppressors.



My belief in a holy war coincides with international law, whereas Israel's belief in Eretz Israel does not. My belief in holy war is that it is ordained when someone invades our lands and runs us out of our homes...then it is permissible to fight the oppressor and throw them out. I do *not* believe it is permissible to use holy war to justify being the oppressor and occupier. If I had such a religious belief, then it would be in contradiction to international law, and as such, I could not possibly expect people of other faiths to tolerate it.

The Zionist view--that God gave them the land occupied by another peoples--is in contradiction to international law. So there is no moral equivalency between my belief and the Zionist one. My belief is in accordance to consent of the governed and popular sovereignty, and my belief is against colonialism, occupation, and oppression. On the other hand, the Zionist view runs totally against consent of the governed and popular sovereignty, which is the basis for international law.

The likeness of this is the religious belief I have that stealing is forbidden. If some person belonged to a religion that said stealing was permissible, do you think they could justify it by saying "you follow your religion, and I am following mine!" No. Because you cannot expect people of other faiths to accept your beliefs when they infringe on your own freedoms. My religious belief against stealing is supported by others only because it coincides with their own laws.



According to traditional orthodox Judaism, the Jews were an exiled nation that were not to return to the land of Palestine/Israel until the Messiah came. By preempting that, they have disobeyed God. This is why orthodox Jews in generality were opposed to Zionists and Zionism during the late 1800's and early 1900's. Zionism was led by secular Jews who perverted religion to justify their colonial enterprise. To this day, there are orthodox Jews who hold this view, i.e. that the Zionists have disobeyed God by taking themselves out of exile without the permission of God.

point one - so your not talking about holly war you are just talking about war. by "knowledge shall increase(knowledge of the Lord), FALSE PROPHETS, WARS, FAMINES, EARTHQUAKES, TRIBULATIONS(hatred and discrimination), and the nation of israel must rebuild the temple... so, it is commonly thought that israel must rebuild the temple before the Lord returns... that does not mean (as you have pointed out that any part of the jewish nation ) israel with Gods hand should have taken and created their own nation. many believe as you do that they should have not come out of exile... either way i will tell you this that when the anti - christ comes and is clearly identified the nation of israel will pay the "holley" price for their actions.

i will also add that i believe that the church (composed of gentiles, jewish blooded people, muslims christians and such) will be raptured before jacobs trouble or the 7 years of tribulation where the 7 seals are broken un to the chosen people...

their is a parrable in the bible that says that their were some virgins that half came prepared with lamps of oil, and the other half did were excited of his coming but did not prepare and when the time came "... only the wise had oil in their lamps." what we do during this time period will dictate our exsistance with God. some will pay the price of lack of faith and others will reap the results of their faith. i found a interesting comparison i will paste here... and i was excited to see this... because in the end all that matters is this - our walk with God.


The Purpose of Christ's Coming

islam
Jesus (Isa) will return to over-throw al-Dajjal in the battle of 'Aqabat Afiq' in Syria, or at the Lud gate in Jerusalem according to another account. Jesus will "kill all pigs and break all crosses", confirming Islam as the only true religion. After 40 years Jesus will die and be buried next to Muhammad in Medina (Islam teaches that Jesus didn't die in A.D. 33 but has been in a state of "suspended animation" since)

jew
he Messiah will defeat the gentile nations (Zech 14:10) and restore the kingdom of Israel (Zech 14). The Jews in exile will return and rule in an age of spiritual harmony (Zech 14:5). Isaiah 42:6 will be fulfilled and God will be recognized as the universal king (Zech 14:9).

christian
Jesus will come to rescue Israel, defeat the Antichrist (Rev. 19:11-21), judge the nations (Matt. 25:31-46) and the wicked in Israel (Ezek. 20:33-38), and rule over the messianic kingdom (Matt. 19:28; Rev. 20:1-6)

the point being God will place his judgment... notice the places of war(thought i believe that is kinda a soft word for what God will do to the non believers) and notice it is clearly stated the "wicked in israel" - as for my one sidedness i just like to show both sides. (meaning if you play one side i will look at the other to get the whole picture)

note: and i will also mention that part of end times will be signs and i believe this will be one "The Jews will be gathered together(as they are now in the land occupied by the nation of Israel). Final battle between Muslims and Jews." all three "religions"(for lack of a better word) have a form of this belief and stories in the Word to back them up.

check this out : tp://www.contenderministries.org/prophecy/eschatology.php

here is the good part we will see each other in heaven as we praise the Lord

[amcon]

I have wondered if all of this violence is god's(Allah's) will. Maybe god wants this to happen. He is all powerful after all... The only reason I thought of this is BuffedGuy always says god willing.


The other thing is that Israel is out of line on this for sure. I know that many people think that America should step aside forever with the mindless support of Israel. We need the money back home right now anyways.

"The Jews will be gathered together(as they are now in the land occupied by the nation of Israel)for a Final battle between Muslims and Jews."

^^^^---- this is generally agreed by muslims, jews and christians alike,

!!!!!!!and heck ya i think we should be keep all the monies in the usa, not giving a penny out right now!!!

their is a judgment that God after he takes his thrown on earth, will judge the nations, (goat and sheep nations) i have heard/studied from several eschatologists that this is the most probable reason why a christian nation gives it support to the nation of israel, (europe as well)

does the koran talk of such judgment? that is judgment of nations? not just people...?????

[amcon]

Islam the religon of peace,


Buffguy do you think this looks peaceful?

i have not looked for the actuall vrs but in the bible (not sure if it is new test or old test) but it states that the decendents of Abraham though his hand maid, not his wife sharah... will be a cursed nation, cursed with unrest and tribulation(discrimination and fighting). gennerally that will be the non jewish mid eastern people...

[Tock]

i have not looked for the actuall vrs but in the bible (not sure if it is new test or old test) but it states that the decendents of Abraham though his hand maid, not his wife sharah... will be a cursed nation, cursed with unrest and tribulation(discrimination and fighting). gennerally that will be the non jewish mid eastern people...

Just wanted to add a parenthetical note to this conversation . . .

Abraham's adventures are chronicled in the Book of Genesis, in the Old Testament. As you know, Genesis depicts the creation of the universe, which, according to Creation Scientists
http://www.icr.org/recent-universe/
happened some 8000 years ago.

What is seldom mentioned amongst Christians, though, is the unhappy fact that the author of Genesis is unknown. What is an even bigger secret is the unpleasant fact that the person who wrote Genesis, who obviously was personally acquainted with both Adam and Eve, Noah, Lot, and Abraham (all noted personalities who pre-dated Moses and Pharoah), but also knew about the Kings of Israel, who lived about 1000 BC.
We know this is true because the writer of Genesis said: "And these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom, before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." (Genesis 36:31) So, we can deduce from this bit of trivia that this anonymous writer was either several thousand years old (much older than Methusalah), or wasn't several thousand years old, which would mean that the stories in the Book of Genesis were not written until several thousand years after they happened, and then by someone who's identity is completely unknown to us.

Now . . . if this is what you're going to base your position on, proceed away . . .

[NightWolf]

Your pictures/images haven't been approved yet by the mods, so I can't see them. But I am expecting the worst, lol. Maybe a few angry guys burning effigies or with Death to this or that signs. Or a suicide bomber...Let's wait and see...

Something in that direction

Anyway what i wanted to say to you was
that i saw that you sometimes said that the
extremeists are only 5% of the muslim world.

I have to to disagre very much here,
I live in Europe and i see things and acts
that you who live in the US do not see.

In my area where i live the muslims are VERY
hostile against the way we chose to live here.
The majority of them are wahabias.

If its only 5% that are hostile then i want to know
where the remaining 90% is hiding, Im not saying
every muslim in sweden are extremeists and hostile
but they do seem to be more of them then the
other part.

Here is the video for the pictures i posted:

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM

[BuffedGuy]

i have not looked for the actuall vrs but in the bible (not sure if it is new test or old test) but it states that the decendents of Abraham though his hand maid, not his wife sharah... will be a cursed nation, cursed with unrest and tribulation(discrimination and fighting). gennerally that will be the non jewish mid eastern people...

Kind of like the Curse of Ham.

[BuffedGuy]

Something in that direction

Anyway what i wanted to say to you was
that i saw that you sometimes said that the
extremeists are only 5% of the muslim world.

I have to to disagre very much here,
I live in Europe and i see things and acts
that you who live in the US do not see.

In my area where i live the muslims are VERY
hostile against the way we chose to live here.
The majority of them are wahabias.

If its only 5% that are hostile then i want to know
where the remaining 90% is hiding, Im not saying
every muslim in sweden are extremeists and hostile
but they do seem to be more of them then the
other part.

Here is the video for the pictures i posted:

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM

I responded to your post here:

The Unofficial "Ask a Muslim" Thread.

I thought it best to reply in my thread, since it is relevant there, not here.

[BuffedGuy]

Deleted............................

[jimmyinkedup]

holy war - a greater oxymoron never existed.......

[amcon]

Kind of like the Curse of Ham.

yes that was what i could not think of thanks...

[amcon]

Just wanted to add a parenthetical note to this conversation . . .

Abraham's adventures are chronicled in the Book of Genesis, in the Old Testament. As you know, Genesis depicts the creation of the universe, which, according to Creation Scientists
http://www.icr.org/recent-universe/
happened some 8000 years ago.

What is seldom mentioned amongst Christians, though, is the unhappy fact that the author of Genesis is unknown. What is an even bigger secret is the unpleasant fact that the person who wrote Genesis, who obviously was personally acquainted with both Adam and Eve, Noah, Lot, and Abraham (all noted personalities who pre-dated Moses and Pharoah), but also knew about the Kings of Israel, who lived about 1000 BC.
We know this is true because the writer of Genesis said: "And these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom, before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." (Genesis 36:31) So, we can deduce from this bit of trivia that this anonymous writer was either several thousand years old (much older than Methusalah), or wasn't several thousand years old, which would mean that the stories in the Book of Genesis were not written until several thousand years after they happened, and then by someone who's identity is completely unknown to us.

Now . . . if this is what you're going to base your position on, proceed away . . .

i will be happy to correct you:

moses wrote the book. and it was written to the people of Israel. date written 1450 - 1410. setting the region presently know as the middle east.

purpose: TO RECORD GOD'S CREATION OF THE WORLD AND HIS DESIRE TO HAVE A A PEOPLE SET APART TO WORSHIP HIM

so, lets review who wrote the book? = moses
again, review how could he have written the book? = God

is that so hard to believe? do you have kids? have you ever taught them something? like riding a bike?

well, if you did, did you tell them exactally what to do? and instruct them on what to do? and guide them perfectly not to let them fall and hurt them selves? so it was written by the God who new all the people you quoted.


focus real good here:
your cut and paste - "And these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom, before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." (Genesis 36:31)

how does disprove or prove any thing in regards to the age of the other?...


"and these are the presidents that reigned in the land of the United States of America, Before there reigned any president of the United Nations."


i am 37 years old and i just wrote that ... not thousands, and i didnt need to know each person to include them into this post.

so, if you're going to base you salvation on, the bogus info you posted proceed away... just buy an asbestos suit you will need it where you maybe going -

but - if you dont want to go there, then just start believing the bible - reading it will help - not reading what other read and reported as trivia

[BuffedGuy]

yes that was what i could not think of thanks...

Well, the Curse of Ham was historically used as a racist doctrine towards blacks, and was used to enslave them. It was only recently revised in the last century.

[amcon]

Well, the Curse of Ham was historically used as a racist doctrine towards blacks, and was used to enslave them. It was only recently revised in the last century.

well, i can pull it out of the old test, so that was a long time ago(i new you had something up your sleeve but the truth is always the right answer) so the verses point to dark skinned middle easteners that are specific to a blood line... not any dark colored skin...

to repeat it is specific to a blood line... and it is the decendents of ham (thus the curse of ham) i believe it had to do with that blood line and homosexual acts...

[amcon]

Well, the Curse of Ham was historically used as a racist doctrine towards blacks, and was used to enslave them. It was only recently revised in the last century.

o ya - it actually was a curse handed down to one of noah's son... for the above actions(above my post)

[BuffedGuy]

well, i can pull it out of the old test, so that was a long time ago(i new you had something up your sleeve but the truth is always the right answer) so the verses point to dark skinned middle easteners that are specific to a blood line... not any dark colored skin...

Do you agree that the Curse of Ham is a racist doctrine if applied specifically to Africans? Yes or no? I hope you say yes. If you say yes, then I say: it is equally racist to claim that it applies to Arabs.

[amcon]

Do you agree that the Curse of Ham is a racist doctrine if applied specifically to Africans? Yes or no? I hope you say yes. If you say yes, then I say: it is equally racist to claim that it applies to Arabs.

africans maybe arabs maybe... matters where that blood line developed too... buffedguy i know from our conversations that you know the first 5 books of the bible very well, you can do the research and find out #1 who the blood line is #2 make an educated guess where those people lived...

and you are not testing/tempting me that is the word of God whether is points to you or me or a diff blood line...

[BuffedGuy]

Deleted...will respond in a bit, God-Willing.

[RangersLTW]

I found the problem and I know who is behind this all........look I got a pic of him.....bad squirrell

[amcon]

I found the problem and I know who is behind this all........look I got a pic of him.....bad squirrell

where did that damn squirrell go???!!?!?!

[Dinosaur]

Something in that direction

Anyway what i wanted to say to you was
that i saw that you sometimes said that the
extremeists are only 5% of the muslim world.

I have to to disagre very much here,
I live in Europe and i see things and acts
that you who live in the US do not see.

In my area where i live the muslims are VERY
hostile against the way we chose to live here.
The majority of them are wahabias.

If its only 5% that are hostile then i want to know
where the remaining 90% is hiding, Im not saying
every muslim in sweden are extremeists and hostile
but they do seem to be more of them then the
other part.

Here is the video for the pictures i posted:

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM

i lived in france and i have relatives in europe.
in france, its hard to survive as moslim or immgrant especially if you are black.
the first problem you face once you move there is rent. some places they wont lease you no apartment if you fall in the above categories unless the landlord is blind.
job wise its kind like 50/50 chance to find an employer that is an open minded to hire you. if you loose your job it will take you forever to find an altenative unless you want to clean cars. even this days its hard to find that kind of job.
now i find it very hipocritical for france and some other contries to control the way you dress. for example, a single mother has 3 kids she leaves her house with scraf on her head but once she gets to work she will take it off, simply because its the "law". what kind of law is that. if they claim that they have "democracy", how do you think this woman or her kids are feeling?
iam not saying all the frensh are bad people nor trying to offend any one.

talking about danmark, look at carton they made, what's the point of doing that? did it serve any peace? or did it build bridges?
it simply created more tensions and more violence. now if i know that something would peace you off why would i do it? not only that, i would repeat doing it. i see that's the kind of behaviour that creates extrimists. now who started it?

[FallenWyvern]

talking about danmark, look at carton they made, what's the point of doing that? did it serve any peace? or did it build bridges?
it simply created more tensions and more violence. now if i know that something would peace you off why would i do it? not only that, i would repeat doing it. i see that's the kind of behaviour that creates extrimists. now who started it?

The problem/controversy existed before the cartoon was made. The cartoon just brought the issue to the forefront.

The issue/controversy is the perception that Muslim extremists are a threat to western life. This fear was confirmed by the burning down of embassies, callings for beheading, threats to kidnap, glorifying the London bombings etc. All over a cartoon. Most people find this behavior unreasonable and the gap widens.

Not that this is right but, it is what it is.