israel and the white phosphorus use....guilty or not guilty

[FallenWyvern]

I need to stop reading these threads.

[BuffedGuy]

The problem/controversy existed before the cartoon was made. The cartoon just brought the issue to the forefront.

The issue/controversy is the perception that Muslim extremists are a threat to western life. This fear was confirmed by the burning down of embassies, callings for beheading, threats to kidnap, glorifying the London bombings etc. All over a cartoon. Most people find this behavior unreasonable and the gap widens.

Not that this is right but, it is what it is.

The reaction of the Muslims to the cartoons was inappropriate. I will dedicate a post to it in the Ask a Muslim thread.

I just want to say that Muslims are not really a threat in the West. We can't even implement Shari'ah in our own lands, due to the despotic regimes over our heads. This is when we have massive support amongst the population as a whole. So what chance do any extremist Muslims have of toppling the Western way of life? Extremists talk big, but in reality they are a very weak force. But the war-mongerers on both sides (the Muslim extremists on the one side and the neo-cons in the West on the other hand) need to pretend that they (the Muslim extremists) are really strong and can actually pose any real threat.

The truth is that there is a lot of blame to go around. Anyways, I'm really sleepy, so I'll respond to this and other posts tomorrow, God-Willing.

[FallenWyvern]

The reaction of the Muslims to the cartoons was inappropriate. I will dedicate a post to it in the Ask a Muslim thread.

I just want to say that Muslims are not really a threat in the West. We can't even implement Shari'ah in our own lands, due to the despotic regimes over our heads. This is when we have massive support amongst the population as a whole. So what chance do any extremist Muslims have of toppling the Western way of life? Extremists talk big, but in reality they are a very weak force. But the war-mongerers on both sides (the Muslim extremists on the one side and the neo-cons in the West on the other hand) need to pretend that they (the Muslim extremists) are really strong and can actually pose any real threat.

The truth is that there is a lot of blame to go around. Anyways, I'm really sleepy, so I'll respond to this and other posts tomorrow, God-Willing.

Hate to put words in your mouth but I assume that when you say Muslims you mean "true" Muslims?

It might be that true Muslims aren't a threat to Western life but....

[BuffedGuy]

Hate to put words in your mouth but I assume that when you say Muslims you mean "true" Muslims?

It might be that true Muslims aren't a threat to Western life but....

No, I mean *all* Muslims. Radical extremist Muslims are not a real threat to the Western way of life. They are mice, and the West is the elephant. Just because a mouse talks big does not mean the elephant should think of it as a real threat. This idea--that the Western way of life is on the brink of destruction due to the so-called "Islamofascists"--is just fear-mongering that benefits both the neo-cons in the West and the extremists in the Muslim east. But it is not grounded in reality. It is nothing more than an illusion bordering on lunacy. They (both the neo-cons and the terrorists) want to strike fear in your hearts, but the fear is irrational. The clown who made the Danish cartoons claims that the Muslims are taking over Europe and in his words, they (the Muslims) are just one minute away from completely taking over, toppling the government, and destroying the Western way of life. What kind of imaginary world does this guy live in? We Muslims living in the West cannot even afford a proper sized parking lot for our mosque; the Westerners have grossly over-estimated their perceived enemies. This is all part of the myth building necessary to support the neo-con agenda.

[BuffedGuy]

FallenWyvern, I've posted in the Ask a Muslim thread in regards to the cartoon issue. Please feel free to ask follow up questions or give input after you read it. Peace.