Obama!!!

[brad1986]

Any thoughts or opinions? When you saw the title of this thread whats the first thing that came to mind??

for me-imbicile

[wmaousley]

President of the United States of America, Commander & Chief of the US Armed Forces, First African-American President, Has a sexy wife, Beats the hell out of either Bush, Pioneer of Americas 2025 Space Program to Mars, Walks out of meetings when people don't listen, Has a Blackberry, Aging well.

[brad1986]

wow an obama fan?? I need a picture of this lmao. Just kidding man. I want to say he was better than bush but part of me disagrees. Bush made stupid choices with the knowlege he had. I think obama just lacked/lacks knowlege and makes stupid suggestions according to his ignorance. Not trying to get in a political war on here just interested to see what people have to say. Because alot of democrats dislike obama now

[gixxerboy1]

i figured it was going to be a thread bashing.
I think Obama was a better choice then McCain.
I dont agree with some of his ideas, some i do.
I wish he knew how to negotiate better.
I believe he is alot smarter then Bush.

[Twist]

More Obama hating.

i figured it was going to be a thread bashing.
I think Obama was a better choice then McCain.
I dont agree with some of his ideas, some i do.
I wish he knew how to negotiate better.
He is alot smarter then Bush.

Fixed and 100% agree.

wow an obama fan?? I need a picture of this lmao. Just kidding man. I want to say he was better than bush but part of me disagreeswow lol. Bush made stupid choices with the knowlege he hadIf by knowledge you mean not knowing anything and making up entire accusations based completely on fabricated evidence to make money for his rich firends then I agree. I think obama just lacked/lacks knowlege and makes stupid suggestions according to his ignorancelmao. Not trying to get in a political war on here just interested to see what people have to say. Because alot of democrats dislike obama nowyeah because he negotiates with these complete morons to try to save this country from a double dip (not that we left the first)

[brad1986]

Look i think obama is a d.b and i believe buch was too. But Obama has def gotten to the point where I think he needs to go! I dont claim demo or republican because I think both parties have idiots that run/get ellected for president and both have good and bad points on things but I was interested as to what the majority on this board feel about the subject. Thanks for input guys

[ravid32]

the first thing that came to my mind.................. Ron Paul 2012

[Twist]

Ron Paul will never get elected because he is too easily defeated.

[RaginCajun]

obama = vacation and golf on our tax dollars!!!

[DeniZen]

I voted for Obama cuz of the "change" thing. Turns out to be BS. Same old shit different colored prez. Us-against-them mentality prevails again! Meanwhile the country is circling the drain...

[Tigershark]

My first thought:
When do we get a new president?
He has broken every campaighn promise he has offered.
The economy is still fvcked.
Unemployemnt is still at an all time high. Do not believe what the news says about the rate going down. The only reason the numbers look lower is because peoples benefits are drying up.
I am a Corrections Officer at a county jail. Every week I see new people come in on charges that will keep them locked up for a few weeks because they are freakng homeless and have np job and can not find work. They are usually older and can not afford thier perscriptions anymore and get free medical care when the are locked up.
Now you tell me how Obama has fixed any freaking thing when our seniors are willing to face assault or even worse rape just to get 3 meals a day and the medications they need to survive. Please tell me how Obama has fixed this? I am willing to listen.

[zaggahamma]

uh....

[Twist]

A little devil's advocate?

obama = vacation and golf on our tax dollars!!!

"So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days."

Bush held the least amount of press conferences in history btw. Can't shoot down Obama for something that is minor compared to the alternatives.

I voted for Obama cuz of the "change" thing. Turns out to be BS. Same old shit different colored prez. Us-against-them mentality prevails again! Meanwhile the country is circling the drain...

Clinton = surplus --> Bush = recession (twice) --> Obama = slow but steady improvement (record corporate profits, lower unemployment etc) --> Republican congress = downgrade, immediate slow of economy, talks of double dip increase
This is super broad and I'm not gonna argue each individual statement because if you can't see the pattern you are blind.

My first thought:
When do we get a new president? Vote in 2012! Ron Paul? (never but we can hope)
He has broken every campaighn promise he has offered. Not really, he did what he can. He's been blocked all along the way. So if you are upset about this then you have to be upset that he was blocked along the way. You can't support Republicans while also complaining about him not getting things done. Not that you are, just pointing that out
The economy is still fvcked. We WERE doing better... Thank you Congress
Unemployemnt is still at an all time high. Do not believe what the news says about the rate going down. The only reason the numbers look lower is because peoples benefits are drying up. There are many signs of a recovery (70% of companies on the S&P beat expectations - I think I remembered that right), unemployment was up. Not 100% better (or even close), but it was going up and more importantly companies and people were starting to feel stable. After they feel stable then they start hiring. Now they won't start hiring or expanding because of uncertainty. The new congress that gets along with nobody is what is making them feel uncertain. Also temps get hired first before those seeking jobs. I have a lot of friends who were temps and they all got hired now. Actually one is still a temp though.
I am a Corrections Officer at a county jail. Every week I see new people come in on charges that will keep them locked up for a few weeks because they are freakng homeless and have np job and can not find work. They are usually older and can not afford thier perscriptions anymore and get free medical care when the are locked up.Screwed up. Very screwed up. If we all had healthcare this wouldn't be a problem
Now you tell me how Obama has fixed any freaking thing when our seniors are willing to face assault or even worse rape just to get 3 meals a day and the medications they need to survive. Please tell me how Obama has fixed this? I am willing to listen.
[B]No way people who wouldn't normally rape someone are going to start committing rapes so they can get healthcare in jail lol. But I see what you are saying.

If I had another alternative to Obama I would vote for them. Look at the potential candidates for presidency though... We're left with no choice.

[wmaousley]

obama = vacation and golf on our tax dollars!!!

US Tax dollars funded many of my previous vacations all over the world, whats the problem?

[Hitman Heimler]

To answer your question: First thing that came to mind was... What about Obama? :P

To ramble: I was not happy with either selection of candidates. I haven't been an Obama fan, but some things that are changing I was not aware were going to. I first off don't belive that there is going to be a president that will "change" the country. I really feel likes it's everyone inside of this country that needs to change. We used to be lions, and now we are lambs; I hope that anology gets understood. People of today are asking what the government can do for them, instead of trying to see what they can do for the country (yes, that was Kennedy Obama could speak, unlike Bush, and that is important for any leader to have. Yes he isn't changing the world, but I've realised he is changing the way politicians operate to some degree, if you will.

I never thought I'd see a president with a twitter account! I actually think that the government needed someone to show that it's ok to be new age. I think that this will help younger people become more governmentally concerned, which has always been hard to accomplish. He is at least changing the face (and I don't mean the color) of what a president can be. He seems more connected with todays scene, and I think that's important. Every President is going to look like a tard at some point, but I mean come on, we need to be able to watch those youtube videos over and over again to keep us laughing:P

[zaggahamma]

To answer your question: First thing that came to mind was... What about Obama? :P

To ramble: I was not happy with either selection of candidates. I haven't been an Obama fan, but some things that are changing I was not aware were going to. I first off don't belive that there is going to be a president that will "change" the country. I really feel likes it's everyone inside of this country that needs to change. We used to be lions, and now we are lambs; I hope that anology gets understood. People of today are asking what the government can do for them, instead of trying to see what they can do for the country (yes, that was Kennedy Obama could speak, unlike Bush, and that is important for any leader to have. Yes he isn't changing the world, but I've realised he is changing the way politicians operate to some degree, if you will.

I never thought I'd see a president with a twitter account! I actually think that the government needed someone to show that it's ok to be new age. I think that this will help younger people become more governmentally concerned, which has always been hard to accomplish. He is at least changing the face (and I don't mean the color) of what a president can be. He seems more connected with todays scene, and I think that's important. Every President is going to look like a tard at some point, but I mean come on, we need to be able to watch those youtube videos over and over again to keep us laughing:P

good post/point of view

agree with a lot...

never really understood why ppl think he's such a good speaker...cuz he looks casual/nonchalant...it seems as if he uses "uh" between many words in the speaches i've heard....anyone else notice this?

but yes i like the change within motto...maybe a prez candidate will run with that one

[Hitman Heimler]

yeah he does use "uh" a lot. I understand it happens, but it does make me laugh that he stumbles as hard as Bush does during interviews. Lol it happens to them all. It was interesting that Trump was interested to run, but i know he won't. How would he take care of the country and his businesses.

[zaggahamma]

yeah he does use "uh" a lot. I understand it happens, but it does make me laugh that he stumbles as hard as Bush does during interviews. Lol it happens to them all. It was interesting that Trump was interested to run, but i know he won't. How would he take care of the country and his businesses.

i agree about trump....think he would do a helluva job but believe the MAIN reason he wont is because like you even statedthe president doesnt really have all the power and his hands would be tied to an extent where he may not be able to accomplish what he would be willing to do...he would be working for us and not himself...if he did i think it would be a very selfless and patriotic move

[Twist]

Donald Trump... Might as well throw in Sarah Palin as VP

[SoCalSurfinPal]

Reagan Vs. Obama, or Capitalism vs. Socialism

As Reagan often said, and as the magnet on my refrigerator reads: Government is the problem not the solution. And he understood the solution to a recession was not more government but more capitalism. Inflation dropped from 13.5% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988. Interest rates fell from 18% in 1981 to 8% in 1987. Unemployment went from nearly 10% during Reagan's first year to 5.5% when he left office. The Reagan economic plan created millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in wealth.

Reagan inherited a worse unemployment rate than obama and brought america back to prosperity!!!

Obama's $787 billion stimulus plan was supposed to keep unemployment from exceeding 8%. Today, four months after the bill’s passage, unemployment is nearly 10%. And virtually all employment growth has occurred in the federal government, much of which includes temporary census jobs. In addition, Obama's budgets will result this year in a record-breaking $1.56 trillion deficit, beating even last year’s then unprecedented $1.41 trillion gap, and this does not include "emergency" spending bills to cover Medicare reimbursements to doctors, mortgage assistance, and further unemployment compensation.

Obama's conclusion for everything is more spending!!! How can you back him. His health care plan and gov't ideas are in place in England! Have you seen the riots going on out there?! Are you really trying to follow in their footsteps?

It is being said that if we ratify a 4 trillion dollar budget we will not be able to grow our way out of debt. The interest alone would be enough to pay for the entire chinese gov't. Many people are saying we are going to literally spend our selves into oblivion, not in our kids twilight, but in our near future.. 2025! Everything Obama has done has pushed us further and further into a recession! you need 2.5% GDP to maintain the current levels of unemployment, our last quarter was .4%! People think Obama is this great leader, and that he is "too smart" for the job. I think this is an uneducated presumption! Whats funny is the democrats are starting to turn on him! But hey he is in the public eye a lot and making everyone feel great about America. You know who else was in the public eye a lot and made his country feel comfortable with the moves they was making? Hitler...

[zaggahamma]

Reagan Vs. Obama, or Capitalism vs. Socialism

As Reagan often said, and as the magnet on my refrigerator reads: Government is the problem not the solution. And he understood the solution to a recession was not more government but more capitalism. Inflation dropped from 13.5% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988. Interest rates fell from 18% in 1981 to 8% in 1987. Unemployment went from nearly 10% during Reagan's first year to 5.5% when he left office. The Reagan economic plan created millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in wealth.

Reagan inherited a worse unemployment rate than obama and brought america back to prosperity!!!

Obama's $787 billion stimulus plan was supposed to keep unemployment from exceeding 8%. Today, four months after the bill’s passage, unemployment is nearly 10%. And virtually all employment growth has occurred in the federal government, much of which includes temporary census jobs. In addition, Obama's budgets will result this year in a record-breaking $1.56 trillion deficit, beating even last year’s then unprecedented $1.41 trillion gap, and this does not include "emergency" spending bills to cover Medicare reimbursements to doctors, mortgage assistance, and further unemployment compensation.

Obama's conclusion for everything is more spending!!! How can you back him. His health care plan and gov't ideas are in place in England! Have you seen the riots going on out there?! Are you really trying to follow in their footsteps?

It is being said that if we ratify a 4 trillion dollar budget we will not be able to grow our way out of debt. The interest alone would be enough to pay for the entire chinese gov't. Many people are saying we are going to literally spend our selves into oblivion, not in our kids twilight, but in our near future.. 2025! Everything Obama has done has pushed us further and further into a recession! you need 2.5% GDP to maintain the current levels of unemployment, our last quarter was .4%! People think Obama is this great leader, and that he is "too smart" for the job. I think this is an uneducated presumption! Whats funny is the democrats are starting to turn on him! But hey he is in the public eye a lot and making everyone feel great about America. You know who else was in the public eye a lot and made his country feel comfortable with the moves they was making? Hitler...

good post....do you think the answer lies just in giving oblama walking papers after his 4 and replacing with any/either of the candidates?

[Twist]

Reagan Vs. Obama, or Capitalism vs. Socialism

As Reagan often said, and as the magnet on my refrigerator reads: Government is the problem not the solution. And he understood the solution to a recession was not more government but more capitalism. Inflation dropped from 13.5% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988. Interest rates fell from 18% in 1981 to 8% in 1987. Unemployment went from nearly 10% during Reagan's first year to 5.5% when he left office. The Reagan economic plan created millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in wealth.

Reagan inherited a worse unemployment rate than obama and brought america back to prosperity!!!

Obama's $787 billion stimulus plan was supposed to keep unemployment from exceeding 8%. Today, four months after the bill’s passage, unemployment is nearly 10%. And virtually all employment growth has occurred in the federal government, much of which includes temporary census jobs. In addition, Obama's budgets will result this year in a record-breaking $1.56 trillion deficit, beating even last year’s then unprecedented $1.41 trillion gap, and this does not include "emergency" spending bills to cover Medicare reimbursements to doctors, mortgage assistance, and further unemployment compensation.

Obama's conclusion for everything is more spending!!! How can you back him. His health care plan and gov't ideas are in place in England! Have you seen the riots going on out there?! Are you really trying to follow in their footsteps?

It is being said that if we ratify a 4 trillion dollar budget we will not be able to grow our way out of debt. The interest alone would be enough to pay for the entire chinese gov't. Many people are saying we are going to literally spend our selves into oblivion, not in our kids twilight, but in our near future.. 2025! Everything Obama has done has pushed us further and further into a recession! you need 2.5% GDP to maintain the current levels of unemployment, our last quarter was .4%! People think Obama is this great leader, and that he is "too smart" for the job. I think this is an uneducated presumption! Whats funny is the democrats are starting to turn on him! But hey he is in the public eye a lot and making everyone feel great about America. You know who else was in the public eye a lot and made his country feel comfortable with the moves they was making? Hitler...

All your arguments are based on false information and then you attack that as if it is truth. I will say this:
It appears as if most people forget what actually caused the issues we are dealing with now. Think back to where this started, where this originated and what the result is now. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't regulation.

The fact that you compare Obama to Hitler shows your knowledge of the matters. I wish there was a better alternative to Obama too but that is not what we are given at the moment.

[SoCalSurfinPal]

JPK:
I think that is what essentially is happening. The big labour organizations are no longer backing Obama. He has lost the support of some of his greatest campaign contributors. It is scary to think he is too liberal for the ultra liberals. I wish I knew what to do. I think Donald Trump would be better business wise, but president... YIKES! I'm at a loss. Unfortunately I'm not a politician. I think I could help build a better America.

- A boss once told me "the trick to success is never be afraid to hire someone smarter than you..."

Twist:

I didn't get too heavy into everything, regulations have hurt our economy severely. We are loosing more and more jobs to offshore accounts. But this isn't nearly as severe as the socialist ideals that have hurt this economy severely! For instance:

The stimulus package. We spent 787 billion dollars without any thought of how we would pay for it. Sure 787 is a drop in the hat for America, but is has contributed tremendously to our 1.5 trillion dollar debt. Americans did not spend the money on supplemental items, but instead payed bills, save it; in fact American's spent less money!!

We have been forced to take on Obama care. Correct me if i'm wrong, but America is suppose to say ya or nah on this. Not according to Obama. Consider 56% of the country was against this I would say it was pretty unconstitutional. Now I don't know if you read the fine print on this, but we are going to be taxed for this. Even though Obama says it won't cost the tax payer money, it is inevitable. These entitlement programs will bankrupt us! If we continue down this road by 2020 the only way America will be able to sustain would be for ALL foreign countries to have 20% of their GDP invested in American debt programs. This is not doable.

Robin Hood tactics. When you tax the rich they stop spending. Ask anyone who is considered rich (250 g's a year or more is considered rich). You tax them more (They are proposing a tax of up to 75% of their income, sounds ridiculous, but research it...) they will spend less. What does this mean? They spend less at shopping malls. Gap can no longer increase their staff, and often times will have to reduce their staff. The person who was positively contributing to society is now taking unemployment. Less tax money from purchases, less tax money from the staff at Gap = less money to the gov't. Then the gov't tries to fix this with more taxes. Viscous cycle.

Again fall back on what has worked in the past. Reagan was a great success, and he was an actor!!

BTW: I compared Obama to Hitler b/c hitler gained the support of his people through continuously giving great speeches, and rallying them around an idea of centralized gov't and reachable perfection. Obama realizes what Hitler realized. Keep yourself in the public eye, and rally the troops can bring success. Also, do you have any information to the contrary? I'd like to see what part was not true.

[Twist]

Above is a great post SoCal and I am in 100% agreement with that^. I have heard some numbers at 50% for ultra rich and that makes no sense to me at all. Ultra rich can easily offshore or just move out. The stimulus packages were supposed to work but didn't do very well. However it looked as if we were going to go into something that was worse than the depression but managed to stay out of that range. It's hard to say exactly what did what but the tarp program was needed and did it's job however I have issues with that too. You did say taxing rich causes them to spend less but for the most part the rich are not the primary spenders used to stimulate the economy, the poor are. I'm still in agreement with you about taxing rich at outrageous rates will not work and shouldn't even be tried if it would work.

Regulations are not what is hurting our economy. In fact, even with all of our regulations 70% of corporations on the S&P have beat they're earnings estimates; companies are not hurting at all. There are so many other factors at work that to say regulations are hurting the economy is ridiculous. Things like patent trolls are ruining our business entrepreneurs and stifling innovation. We can barely regulate things properly as they are which is a huge problem. Technology is outpacing the knowledge of our judges and most importantly our juries and screwing small businesses. We are moving toward Kings ruling the world but these Kings are renamed; CEO's. BP oil, the financial meltdown, illegal dumping in the amazon, polluting the air/water etc are things we should expect if corporations are deregulated. Our (the citizens of the US) wants simply do not align with the wants of corporations. If you deregulate the corporations they will screw the people first chance they get. They will cut costs on safety and they will pollute like crazy and mow over anything they please. They already do this as much as they can get away with. We need to cut A LOT but without regulation we will be screwed for sure.

Obamacare: Health insurance companies are among the most corrupt out there. Down right evil looking to screw over people for pennies on the dollar, very often resulting in death. Now I have not personally read the Obamacare plan but I can say there is needed reform in the healthcare industry. Seeing as we provide everyone with healthcare anyway, there is no point in not mandating it. Poor just walk into the hospitals when they have a cold and cause not only long waits, but $700 tax payer tabs for a cold that could be taken care of for $20 in antibiotics. Hospitals do not turn people down! This means that everyone already gets care. We already have healthcare for everybody, the thing is we do it in the most inefficient manner. That's what needs to be changed. So unless you are saying that we should not allow people to get care when they don't have insurance and we should literally force them to sit out on the curb and die then you should be in favor of finding a better way to do it.

Obama is losing support of many people not because he is too liberal, but because he is seen as not liberal enough and too easily persuaded. He bows down almost every chance he gets. He is also going to great lengths to not be a one-issue president. He doesn't want to be seen as a President for black people and want to be seen as a president for all people. This is angering his black base because he is not addressing things like the black to white wealth gap (which has widened by an amazing amount). He is also willing to compromise with republicans (although they are not) about issues and this is upsetting his base also. I will say this, when the republicans hate someone, and the democrats hate someone, it means he isn't working for either of them and the only people left is us. He really is trying and I can see that but this game is just impossible to play.

As for offshore accounts: If you are suggesting that we eliminate free trade then I am not with you. Yes, we are losing companies to offshoring but this is inevitable. Putting up barriers to trade will hurt us. It's really a long explanation as to why but I will go into it if you want. The problem here is that we are giving companies tax breaks and stimulating the economy and all that companies are doing is holding onto cash and hiring outside the US. ATM we have given no reasons for companies to stay here and the competitive advantage is offshore so that is where production will move. We need incentives to stay here (not just offering money to them, we need competitive advantages like education) or else companies won't. You can't blame them. They have cut so many costs and they are making record profits never before seen they have no reason to stop that. Taxing them (what we do out of frustration) is not the answer either - they are talking about taxing companies for letting their cash just pile up to force them to do something with it, bad idea.

Comparing Obama to Hitler: Giving great speeches and rallying them around an idea is how everybody comes to power, enter tea party. Obama doesn't = socialism. Sorry but that's just not true. We already have universal healthcare we just manage it poorly (see above).

The situation with Reagan and Obama is different. Times now are so much more complicated than they were back then with the increasing technology. Right now our banking systems are so complicated that regulators cannot figure it out. These really are uncharted waters and are not comparable. You make a change (like deregulate banking... again) and companies will screw us all over again. It worked out fine for them anyway.

As to your first post: I'm gonna try and go through it quickly cuz I am so tired of typing.
1. I addressed Reagan comparison earlier, Comparing Republicans to democrats - see post #13 second paragraph.
2. What is happening in London is not a result of universal healthcare or socialist ideals lol.
3. Obama might have saved us from going into another Great Depression, we don't know. His increased spending was necessary in the eyes of many experts. The spending prevented us from hitting rock bottom. I can't say whether that is good or bad. He also spent less than Bush did anyway so I can't see the argument. Sure we are at .4% growth now but as soon as the republicans took congress we crapped out. All positivity in the marketplace vanished. It's a game for them and we are pawns. If you can't see that idk what help I can be.
4. Donald Trump = will do everything he can for big business making millions and millions and screwing over the American People and then he will move away and leave a(nother) mess for us to clean up. Hmmm... Sounds like the last president we had.

Here's a graph that depicts our deficit. Just look and see how much of that is caused by Obama.
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[gixxerboy1]

^^^ very good post. I agree

Also the attachment wouldnt work for me

[Twist]

^^^ very good post. I agree

Also the attachment wouldnt work for me

Idk how to fix it lol. It's just a pie graph from wallstreet journal or NYT, I forgot which place I got it. Basically shows that everything related to our deficit is Bush's fault lol.

11 people died and 120 people seriously sick after a company filled two giant containers that used to contain anti-feeze with vinegar bound for a restaurant feast to conclude Ramadan. This was in China. This is what you get when you deregulate big business. This was Monday I think. there are plenty more examples of what happens when you defund the watch dogs.

[CMB]

My opinion on obama: (where can I start lol?)

He needs to get out of office in this next election. Anybody else who says he is doing a good job should be put on a rope. Although, when I hear "the recession is obama's fault" I sigh and walk away at the plague of stupidity.

Now it's ludicris to say that the reason the economy is in bad shape is because of obama, that's stupid. 2008 was the true downfall of america if you ask me. A great example would be this shopping mall right down the street from my house. It was being built in 2007, and halfway through the project (2008) they halted all production and now half the buildings are either Vacant, or just plain going out of business.

In addition, democrats seem to like spending. Hmmm, let's see here, we have a 14 TRILLION (yes, you read that correctly) debt deficit. YOU DON'T SPEND MORE IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY! It doesn't take a politician to figure that one out. Also, the solution is not to tax the rich, this will only create more problems. The rich ones are the type of people that run businesses and hire other citizens to work. Tax the rich, they stop hiring.

Equally important is how the U.S. likes to just "give" money to everyone under the sun. I read an article recently showing how of our 14 trillion dollar deficit only 4 or 5 billion is actually owed overseas (China and Brazil are the two biggest). The remaining sum is actually owed by the citizens of the US! Medicare, medicade, social security, all need to be reformed. It is just not possible for us to sustain everyone with free healthcare and retirement, just not realistic.


I don't know about you guys, but I'm sure as hell sick of this damn recession. The sooner we get out, the better. Obama isn't mitigating the situation as any good president should, and I'll leave it at that.

Peace guys.

[Twist]

I will probably end up voting for Obama again because we are left with a republican party that is filled with nut jobs.

[zaggahamma]

I will probably end up voting for Obama again because we are left with a republican party that is filled with nut jobs.

what is the major beliefs that the GOP share or individually that give you this feeling

[gixxerboy1]

My opinion on obama: (where can I start lol?)

He needs to get out of office in this next election. Anybody else who says he is doing a good job should be put on a rope. Although, when I hear "the recession is obama's fault" I sigh and walk away at the plague of stupidity.

Now it's ludicris to say that the reason the economy is in bad shape is because of obama, that's stupid. 2008 was the true downfall of america if you ask me. A great example would be this shopping mall right down the street from my house. It was being built in 2007, and halfway through the project (2008) they halted all production and now half the buildings are either Vacant, or just plain going out of business.

In addition, democrats seem to like spending. Hmmm, let's see here, we have a 14 TRILLION (yes, you read that correctly) debt deficit. YOU DON'T SPEND MORE IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY! It doesn't take a politician to figure that one out. Also, the solution is not to tax the rich, this will only create more problems. The rich ones are the type of people that run businesses and hire other citizens to work. Tax the rich, they stop hiring.

Equally important is how the U.S. likes to just "give" money to everyone under the sun. I read an article recently showing how of our 14 trillion dollar deficit only 4 or 5 billion is actually owed overseas (China and Brazil are the two biggest). The remaining sum is actually owed by the citizens of the US! Medicare, medicade, social security, all need to be reformed. It is just not possible for us to sustain everyone with free healthcare and retirement, just not realistic.


I don't know about you guys, but I'm sure as hell sick of this damn recession. The sooner we get out, the better. Obama isn't mitigating the situation as any good president should, and I'll leave it at that.

Peace guys.

Yes the rich may run businesses but they are not going to hire someone because their personal tax goes up. That is the biggest bs thing i keep hearing. Alot of the rich when you figure out their final tax rate after deductions and everything else are paying less then the middle class.

The middle class is who spends most of the money in the economy. Unfortunately the middle class doesn't have $$ so they atrent spending so there is no reason for business to hire. Why would you hire if you dont have the customers or business to support it.

[Twist]

what is the major beliefs that the GOP share or individually that give you this feeling

With the current republicans:
Smaller Government = cut regulatory committees
Less taxes = for the corporations that put us here
Stop interfering overseas = unless we start the war
No gay marriage = oops I'm gay
No Obamacare = 75 minute wait in emergency rooms
No illegals = except if they clean our houses
This list can go on forever. They campaign on things that rally their base but the base has no idea about the real world implications of their campaign 'promises'.

[Bonaparte]

OP, if you're going to call someone an imbecile (especially a man as educated and accomplished as Obama), you may want to spell the word correctly.

[Twist]

LMAO. Can't believe I didn't catch that.

[zaggahamma]

wow going with spelling now...twist thanks for the point of view(s)

[CMB]

I just don't see how anyone can vote for obama, he is doing a terrible job. If you think he is doing a good job, just look around.

[Twist]

I wouldn't say he is doing a good job either. I would say he is doing a better job than Bush did (by a million) and I would say the rest of our choices suck. I think Obama needs to stop compromising (but he can't) and I think democrats in general need to stop the bleeding heart bs and cut spending. We need complete reform in just about every aspect of society I can think of.

[gixxerboy1]

I just don't see how anyone can vote for obama, he is doing a terrible job. If you think he is doing a good job, just look around.

but he is the lesser of 2 evils.

[CMB]

but he is the lesser of 2 evils.

That MIGHT have been true in the 08 election, but for sure not in the 2012 election. Just no possible way he is fit for the job, he has showed us this is in past 4 years.

Anybody remember that (and I use this term loosely) "stimulus" package? Well, I believe it cost upwards of 789 billion dollars, and it failed. You can't blame everything on obama that would just be ignorant, but the fault is his for failed stimulus. He endorsed it and rammed the bill through congress and the senate just so nothing would come out of it. Shameful that he is allowed to f*ck up like that and remain in office.

[CMB]

I wouldn't say he is doing a good job either. I would say he is doing a better job than Bush did (by a million) and I would say the rest of our choices suck. I think Obama needs to stop compromising (but he can't) and I think democrats in general need to stop the bleeding heart bs and cut spending. We need complete reform in just about every aspect of society I can think of.

Bush is in the past, leave him there nothing he can do to change the situation we are in now. And actually for that matter, things were going a little better (not good), when bush was in office. In addition, I do believe you are correct though. It is time for a radical change in America. The sooner the better.

[gixxerboy1]

That MIGHT have been true in the 08 election, but for sure not in the 2012 election. Just no possible way he is fit for the job, he has showed us this is in past 4 years.

Anybody remember that (and I use this term loosely) "stimulus" package? Well, I believe it cost upwards of 789 billion dollars, and it failed. You can't blame everything on obama that would just be ignorant, but the fault is his for failed stimulus. He endorsed it and rammed the bill through congress and the senate just so nothing would come out of it. Shameful that he is allowed to f*ck up like that and remain in office.

depends on who get the gop nomination.
I'd give it to Obama for 8 more years then Rick Perry for 1 year