Why we need the vaccine

[The Deadlifting Dog]

The thing that gets me about all this shit wango, is the idiocy of the response.

Yes, there's a bad flu going around. The worst flu season in the last ten years killed 40,000. Covid, with all the measures taken, has killed nearly 550,000. Quite a bit deadlier. Yes, any bad flu can be deadly under the right circumstances.

But since when was there so many idiots, and so much lunacy as for people to believe that government can stop a force of nature?

Truthfully, government cannot stop a plague, any more than it can an earthquake. see below

But you've got this massive ship of fools running around acting like it can, and throwing away liberty in order to be "saved". Pretending like a flue pandemic is suddenly an apocalypse and we should all quiver in fear and howl for salvation from our suffering begging our divine leaders to save us.

Such bullshit.

America has had 1654 covid deaths per million people.
Germany has had 908 covid deaths per million people.
Japan has had 71 covid deaths per million people.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

Sure seems to me that the government has the ability to mitigate the affects of this plague.

If we had Germany deaths per million we would've saved about 250,000 American lives.
If we had Japan's deaths per million we would've saved about 525,000 American lives.

Instead we had a President that lied to the American people about it.
He has admitted he downplayed it.

[Test Monsterone]

I have no doubt that if we didn't wear masks and things just kept working operating as usual, we would now be facing millions of deaths in the US.

When people say "it's not even that bad" it's because we have been taking precautions and staying home. I also didn't get the flu this year, and I almost always get something every winter. Wearing masks, keeping a distance, and sanitization helps. I honestly wish people would do this more, especially in the winter months.

[wango]

The thing that gets me about all this shit wango, is the idiocy of the response.

Yes, there's a bad flu going around. Yes, any bad flu can be deadly under the right circumstances.

But since when was there so many idiots, and so much lunacy as for people to believe that government can stop a force of nature?

Truthfully, government cannot stop a plague, any more than it can an earthquake.

But you've got this massive ship of fools running around acting like it can, and throwing away liberty in order to be "saved". Pretending like a flue pandemic is suddenly an apocalypse and we should all quiver in fear and howl for salvation from our suffering begging our divine leaders to save us.

Such bullshit.

Influenza and pneumonia would usually kill around 60,000 people in the US every year. 500,000 deaths is more than a “bad flu”, however it is a type of flu.

The people that I have know that have gotten sick has varied with the severity. But more rather then less stated they had never felt worse in their lives for a prolonged time. Some required hospitalizations (including teens). Many lost family members, some, multiple members. We lost a co-worker and coach. The ease of which these people and then the rest of the households (or the reverse) they lived in got infected was entirely different from the flu.

You’re right, the people can help stop it. However if you have/had a government down-playing it’s severity at times and displaying an attitude that masks should not be worn is actually facilitating its spread. You still have elected officials making light of the vaccine. Why?

[Hughinn]

America has had 1654 covid deaths per million people.
Germany has had 908 covid deaths per million people.
Japan has had 71 covid deaths per million people.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

Sure seems to me that the government has the ability to mitigate the affects of this plague.

If we had Germany deaths per million we would've saved about 250,000 American lives.
If we had Japan's deaths per million we would've saved about 525,000 American lives.

Instead we had a President that lied to the American people about it.
He has admitted he downplayed it.

"The sky is falling" "the sky is falling" lol.

It's not rocket science hoss. Countries that had alot of travel from China during the early days of the spread, had a higher initial spread and death rate. Like italy and the united states. Countries that had little to no travel from China, the spread was slower. Like germany and taiwan.
Higher initial exposure = faster spread rate and subsequent fallout. Pretty simple. Just common sense really.
Funny when Trump seen this and shut down travel from China, he was called a racist and told by your leaders it was unnecessary. Laughable. But unimaginably stupid.

Yo go on though chicken little. Pray to big brother to save us from the flu. I mean, joe biden was to supposed to save us all right? I mean if the orange man left, joe said he would"beat" covid. But what has he done differently than the "orange menace"?
Nothing. Because there's nothing he can do. He lied. He basically said so himself that there was nothing more he could do (of course only AFTER he was"elected" did he admit that truth, because joe biden is a dummy for sure. But his handlers and script writers are not)

Keep on with the hysterics though. We all know That's what msdnc told you to do.

Or better yet, if your divine DNC leaders are so worried about covid-19, ask ole joe why he's releasing covid positive illegal border crossers into the country, shipping them all over the place and has thousands of others in his own "processing facilities" totally devoid of any of his own "social distancing" policies. When it's estimated up to 25% are covid positive. And all of them are to be released into the country. Go ahead and tell me when you've got those answers. I'll be here

Because to a rational person it damn sure doesn't look like ole joe is too worried about covid these days does it? And why would he? The election is over. All he's doing now is stumbling around and mumbling incoherently into a face mask. Appearing only to take scripted answers with prewritten responses he often forgets.

The hysterics were just to fool the idiots. Maybe it worked. I dunno.

[Hughinn]

Influenza and pneumonia would usually kill around 60,000 people in the US every year. 500,000 deaths is more than a “bad flu”, however it is a type of flu.

The people that I have know that have gotten sick has varied with the severity. But more rather then less stated they had never felt worse in their lives for a prolonged time. Some required hospitalizations (including teens). Many lost family members, some, multiple members. We lost a co-worker and coach. The ease of which these people and then the rest of the households (or the reverse) they lived in got infected was entirely different from the flu.

You’re right, the people can help stop it. However if you have/had a government down-playing it’s severity at times and displaying an attitude that masks should not be worn is actually facilitating its spread. You still have elected officials making light of the vaccine. Why?

I completely understand what you're saying wango.

But at the end of the day, it's a flu. And personal precautions are literally all we can do.

You could lock down the entire country for years, but eventually it's going to end the same way every other plague or flu has ended in all of human history.
It makes it's way through the population.

Government stopping the spread of a plague is a naive and ridiculous fantasy. No government has ever been able to stop a plague or any other force of nature ever in recorded history. Eventually, it'll run it's course. You can't legislate a plague out of existence. Just ain't going to happen. Plain and simple.

People's immune systems are not as strong as they used to be either. That's arguably a major culprit of the death rate. My whole family had covid. But we live in the woods and eat homegrown vegetables and lots of home raised meat and eggs. I think that's why we fared better than some. Stronger mmune systems through long term exposure to allergens and elements.

My point is, it comes down to personal precautions. And that's it. That's all anybody can do.

Fear mongering and Hysteria is exactly the opposite of what smart leadership should do. In practicality, there's really not alot they can actually do, except to relay the best information they can, encourage precautions and try to keep hysterics to a minimum. And work as hard as possible on a vaccine. That's really all that's going to help. Smart, and we'll intentioned leadership wouldn't stoke panic and lunacy. They'd try to keep the calm and proceed with the best course of action they could. If you want to call that "downplaying" then that's your choice. But I don't see it like that. What else was he supposed to do?

Making information available and recommend precautions are all smart leadership should do. As we see now, places and states that allowed government to run rampantly out of control fared little better, if at all to places that didn't.

It'll end the same way it always does. Hysterics and irrationality aren't going to help anything. Nor will government intervention.

As far as vaccination? We live in a free country (for now) and some people don't trust vaccines. They're free to make thier choices and voice their opinions just like everyone else. We don't have to agree. But we have to respect their choice.

[Hughinn]

Sure we could have done that...
If we did nothing it was predicted that 2.2 million Americans would die.

As is... even with all the measures that have been taken place... over 300,000 Americans have died in less than a year.
We had two different days last week where more Americans died in a day than died on 9/11.
Almost 2,500 Americans are dying everyday right now.
Covid is the top cause of death in the US right now.

I don't know about you but I personally am not willing to let over 2 million Americans die.

Who says you, or anyone else has control over that?
The death rate? Well, since nobody seemed to die from anything but covid over the past year, I guess it is what it is.

Fact of the matter is, a plague has arrived, and it will run it's course. You can't legislate it out of existence. Thats childish to assumptions best. Plain ignorant amd delusional at worst.

His point was you get it over with fast, or you draw it out.

It ends the same way. Like it or not

Unfortunately it looks like this plague was not a natural event, but a man made disaster. The tragedy is, Beijing biden has forbid anybody to talk about that. Discussion of the subject is likely to impact his retirement funds and the coke habit money of his family, so we're not supposed to talk about it.
That's his biggest contribution to the covid response to date. So congratulations.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Hughinn...

You've been told before...
Please don't edit your posts after the fact in order to convey a different meaning or to make your posts seems less inflammatory.

Be a man and stick with your original thoughts.

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You were looking to start a fight last night and I didn't bite.
Now this morning you were looking to cover your ass.

Seems like a very chicken little shit thing to do.

[wango]

I completely understand what you're saying wango.

But at the end of the day, it's a flu. And personal precautions are literally all we can do.

You are right, but we are dependent upon each other to some degree to keep each other safe as well. Case and point, the gym. Yup, I’m masked up as is a mandatory requirement if you signed up for this particular gym. But many times I can’t safely go or alter my workout, even though I’ve paid quite a bit more for the luxury of being in a gym that requires masks. Is it fair to me or other members that might have to suffer the consequences of someone’s deliberate neglect?

But we live in the woods and eat homegrown vegetables and lots of home raised meat and eggs.

Ok I need pics simply out of jealousy and my love of food porn! We go to the farmers market weekly. It took a bit for the wife to convince me of the quality of non grocery market vegetables and eggs (and meat), BUT I AM CONVINCED. Tell me that a orangish egg yolk from a local chicken doesn’t kick major ass.

As far as vaccination? We live in a free country (for now) and some people don't trust vaccines. They're free to make thier choices and voice their opinions just like everyone else. We don't have to agree. But we have to respect their choice.

Understood, but it is a gesture to sacrifice & contribute to society imo. Something that I see dwindling decade after decade. It’s going to be a turbulent summer as schools have to decide to make vaccinations mandatory or not. I fear that it’s going to get ugly.

[Hughinn]

Hughinn...

You've been told before...
Please don't edit your posts after the fact in order to convey a different meaning or to make your posts seems less inflammatory.

Be a man and stick with your original thoughts.

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You were looking to start a fight last night and I didn't bite.
Now this morning you were looking to cover your ass.

Seems like a very chicken little shit thing to do.

See, the thing is,, you don't get to tell me what to do. I'll edit anything I want. Anytime I want. I don't care to ask your permission, or forgiveness,. Besides, you try typing with fat fingers and callous hands. Plus, alot of the time my hands are greasy and grimy. I pull on wrenches and sling tools for a living. And type on a cell phone. So I make alot of grammatical errors.

So, if you can't refute any of the points, then thats fine just move on. No need to sling insults.

My points stand. Edited or not.

[Hughinn]

Understood, but it is a gesture to sacrifice & contribute to society imo. Something that I see dwindling decade after decade. It’s going to be a turbulent summer as schools have to decide to make vaccinations mandatory or not. I fear that it’s going to get ugly.

It's true thatbpeop,that people, have a responsibility to eachother and the only a ay to enforce that is laws. Cause thiers always some assholes that won't care.

I agree on that.

I'll post some of my garden pics. I have some somewhere.

[wango]

It's true thatbpeop,that people, have a responsibility to eachother and the only a ay to enforce that is laws. Cause thiers always some assholes that won't care.

I agree on that.

I'll post some of my garden pics. I have some somewhere.

I believe in a “social contract”, where we give up some individual freedoms for the betterment of society. I have a pessimistic view of humans in general, that is most of us are greedy, look after self-satisfaction first and care about others less and less. I mean, there is nothing wrong with that honestly, I just think it is getting to be more of a me first society with less and less benevolence as the decades pass.

From what I understand, this place was a powder keg of emotions months ago. And it’s easy, considering how frankly we discuss such controversial topics and the events of this last year in particular. And then considering everyone’s different backgrounds and locations, man I find it incredible that we can still find it in ourselves to reach some degree of decency and respect for each other.

Bottom line is, I enjoy our exchange of posts. Had my first week back at the gym in months now and I guess that I’m feeling a little sentimental, lol. Come by my accountability thread and post those garden pics brother, looking forward to seeing them.