Why we need the vaccine

[jolter604]

I may have had it, i'm not sure. For about 3-4 days I was getting hot and cold at night. I just felt uncomfortable the whole time and I developed a dry cough for 2 days only. It came and went throughout the day. Just felt a little run down, too. Still managed to work out somehow but at night I would feel crappy.

Sounds about right.

Eat, pound, sleep...

[DustMan]

You guys seen the clinical results of the Nigella Sativa experiments? Some guys on another forum were talking about it back in March, turns out it works real good.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.20217364v4 <--- Full study

https://osf.io/urb6f/ <--- Another study, but only the abstract is available

I bought a KG of the stuff in case my family gets sick, and I've convinced most of my friends and family to purchase some too, I paid 14euro for 1KG, you only need 80mg/Kg of bodyweight over a 14 day span so it's plenty for several people to clear an infection safely.

[Gallowmere]

Thank you wango.
I was already cleared to return to work Monday.
Hopefully I will not catch it again.

Eat, pound, sleep...

If you do this soon, you either have the world’s shittiest antibody composition, or the worst luck in the world to manage to contract a strain divergent enough to dodge immunity.

[< <Samson> >]

Don’t trust this number game “they” play either

I seen enough of my fave hospital this year

In the middle of this pandemic nonsense, the hospitals were taking a beating - they still are a bit

But, this isn’t the front lines of WW3

This what a ER waiting room looks like at my “favorite” hospital

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Def not pretty

[NiceGuyResearcher]

What bothers me about this novel virus is that it's very "stroke-friendly," causes a neuro. stroke as the 1st and only symptom which could mean it causes a fatality. That's 1 of the worst things to have. Many bodybuilders... well they are more prone to strokes notwithstanding their very good circulation through pumping, some that come to mind are legendary IFBB pro, Ed Corney, who had a major stroke and was in a wheelchair. Getting a vaccine is like the old adage: God helps those who help themselves. You help yourself with a vaccine, something God helped the scientists come out with a safe & effective vaccine in a record time.

[wango]

Don’t trust this number game “they” play either

I seen enough of my fave hospital this year

In the middle of this pandemic nonsense, the hospitals were taking a beating - they still are a bit

But, this isn’t the front lines of WW3

This what a ER waiting room looks like at my “favorite” hospital

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Def not pretty

Can’t see the pic or maybe I’d get a different idea from your post.

It’s still a regional thing, but hospitals in the thick of it aren’t taking a bit of a beating, they are approaching panic mode.

Out here:

Zero further capacity in more and more ICU’s.
Trying to design rooms that are kind of like an ICU.
Those working ICU are getting overworked and are starting to wear out.
More staff getting sick from Covid and deaths rising in staff.
Not enough personnel with ICU training so staff being trained on the fly to do jobs that take far more training for patients like this.
Outpatient surgeries cancelled (a big deal if you need the surgery).
Fear of increased mortality from non-Covid deaths due to not being able to effectively treat these patients because more and more staff and hospital rooms dedicated purely to Covid.
Outpatient clinics/services being closed as to house hospital beds for non-Covid patients.

No it’s not WW3, but we still have to expect HUGE surges due to Christmas & New Year’s gatherings.

And to top it off, we still have lots of folks out here that still refuse to wear a mask and are having no part of any vaccine.

I think it’s fair to say that the shit is now hitting the fan.

[redz]

I have zero fear of covid and will never take this vaccine ever. The outright insanity of being willing to take this vaccine with only months of testing is appalling. This vaccine has already put people in body bags.

[Test Monsterone]

This vaccine has already put people in body bags.

If you make this claim you have to cite sources. I am not aware of anyone dying, but I am aware of a few false claims that have since been debunked.

[jstone]

I may have had it, i'm not sure. For about 3-4 days I was getting hot and cold at night. I just felt uncomfortable the whole time and I developed a dry cough for 2 days only. It came and went throughout the day. Just felt a little run down, too. Still managed to work out somehow but at night I would feel crappy.

whats funny is you preaching about needing a vaccine, but when you thought you might have covid you still went to the gym. so all this preaching about listening to the medical professionals, and you do the exact opposite of there recommendations. so follow there recommendations or dont you cant have it both ways.

[jolter604]

I just watched a news brief from UK they have a new mutation of covid even worse. There shutting down Christmas.....

Eat, pound, sleep...

[Test Monsterone]

whats funny is you preaching about needing a vaccine, but when you thought you might have covid you still went to the gym. so all this preaching about listening to the medical professionals, and you do the exact opposite of there recommendations. so follow there recommendations or dont you cant have it both ways.

Home gym

[Gallowmere]

Home gym

Precisely this.
Just because we’re idiots and willing to keep beating our asses while sick, doesn’t mean that we’re assholes willing to spread it to others.
In light of the fact that these shutdowns just keep happening over and over, there’s never been a better time to invest in a home kit.

[wango]

I just watched a news brief from UK they have a new mutation of covid even worse. There shutting down Christmas.....

Eat, pound, sleep...

Viruses are clever little things; they like to survive & thrive.

Surprise, it’s us again, oh you didn’t recognize us, it’s cause we changed our antigens. Now, let’s see if your fancy vaccine that you made for our old version works quite as well. If it does, guess what, we can change again .

Talking with some friends yesterday; seems they may be looking forward to a pending nurses strike in a couple of weeks. Can you believe it, they are complaining they are being overworked and spread too thin. And geez, they want adequate PPE, because it’s running low. I mean, how selfish can you get.

[Cuz]

Viruses are clever little things; they like to survive & thrive.

Surprise, it’s us again, oh you didn’t recognize us, it’s cause we changed our antigens. Now, let’s see if your fancy vaccine that you made for our old version works quite as well. If it does, guess what, we can change again .

Talking with some friends yesterday; seems they may be looking forward to a pending nurses strike in a couple of weeks. Can you believe it, they are complaining they are being overworked and spread too thin. And geez, they want adequate PPE, because it’s running low. I mean, how selfish can you get.

I seen that as well. Nurses and healthcare workers in general are fighting a hell of a battle right now

[Gallowmere]

I seen that as well. Nurses and healthcare workers in general are fighting a hell of a battle right now

They are, and even if we were to be assholes and ignore their individual wellbeing (which we shouldn’t do for obvious reasons), their striking over these things makes sense from a “common good” perspective.
If they allow themselves to be open vectors for a disease, it risks spreading it even further than it would have if the patients were all just left to die.
Least harm and all that.

[jstone]

Home gym

thats good to hear i have seen so many sick people out. wish i had one.

[kelkel]

thats good to hear i have seen so many sick people out. wish i had one.

Best thing ever having a good home gym. I've trained at home for about 16 years now and have zero desire to go to a regular gym again. Yes, I've been a few times as a friend owns (a great) one about twenty miles away but you still then have to deal with other people. And we all know how annoying that is.....

[redz]

If you make this claim you have to cite sources. I am not aware of anyone dying, but I am aware of a few false claims that have since been debunked

https://egyptindependent.com/fda-six...accine-trials/


There are more sources on this too. I just found this one again easily. Vaccines kill a lot more people than you hear about in Korea I think about 108 died just from flu vaccine this year.

FYI Facebook did not fact check this either and I’ve had it up since article came out.

[Test Monsterone]

https://egyptindependent.com/fda-six...accine-trials/


There are more sources on this too. I just found this one again easily. Vaccines kill a lot more people than you hear about in Korea I think about 108 died just from flu vaccine this year.

FYI Facebook did not fact check this either and I’ve had it up since article came out.

All that article says is that during the vaccine trials, out of 44,000 (approx) people, 6 died of heart attacks or strokes shortly after. Out of 44k people, 6 are gonna die of something regardless. It said that a few died a few days after receiving the vaccine, which would not be enough time for the vaccine to harm the individual if it did result in a covid infection.

I can say that out of 50k people I asked if they brush their teeth, and all of them said they do, and 6 of them died after brushing their teeth, that brushing teeth causes death. Positive correlation does not equate to causation, though.

The vaccine itself could not kill someone as the sequences of RNA injected as part of the vaccine are not active or complete forms of the virus. They are bits and pieces that our bodies use to learn the virus and build its defenses against it. If, hypothetically, someone were to ever get sick from a vaccine, then they surely would have died from the virus itself.

It was mentioned that England now has a newly mutated version of the virus. Vaccines still help. When you get a vaccine for the flu, you are not getting the same exact version as the virus circulating at any given time. There are many versions of the influenza virus during any season, but the vaccine makes the difference between being sick for 3 weeks or 3 days. Our bodies can detect similarities between viruses and react appropriately so long as we have the basic structure of the virus encoded in our immune system.

[redz]

I’m sure people will die from it. It’s your right to take it just like it’s my right not to. I’m not trying to convince anyone i just stayed my piece that people took the vaccine and died. If you want to overlook it and assume they all would have died anyways that’s your choice to ignore obvious risk.

[Gallowmere]

I’m sure people will die from it. It’s your right to take it just like it’s my right not to. I’m not trying to convince anyone i just stayed my piece that people took the vaccine and died. If you want to overlook it and assume they all would have died anyways that’s your choice to ignore obvious risk.

Even if we assume that all of those people were killed dead as fuck, just bam, injection, fall over dead, 6:44,000 is not “obvious risk”. That’s barely over one-hundredth of a percent.
That’s probably not what happened, but it just shows that absolute worst case assumption is still not even large enough to be a rounding error in most applications.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

out of the 6 that died:
4 took the placebo
2 took the vaccine

Out of the vaccine deaths:
One died of a heart attack 62 days later.
One died of ateriosclerosis 3 days later.


https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/dow...wA1xQ6ideyEkxQ

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Deaths
A total of six (2 vaccine, 4 placebo) of 43,448 enrolled participants (0.01%) died during the
reporting period from April 29, 2020 (first participant, first visit) to November 14, 2020 (cutoff
date). Both vaccine recipients were >55 years of age; one experienced a cardiac arrest 62 days
after vaccination #2 and died 3 days later, and the other died from arteriosclerosis 3 days after
vaccination #1. The placebo recipients died from myocardial infarction (n=1), hemorrhagic
stroke (n=1) or unknown causes (n=2); three of the four deaths occurred in the older group (>55
years of age). All deaths represent events that occur in the general population of the age groups
where they occurred, at a similar rate.

[Gallowmere]

out of the 6 that died:
4 took the placebo
2 took the vaccine

Out of the vaccine deaths:
One died of a heart attack 62 days later.
One died of ateriosclerosis 3 days later.


https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/dow...wA1xQ6ideyEkxQ

page 41

Deaths
A total of six (2 vaccine, 4 placebo) of 43,448 enrolled participants (0.01%) died during the
reporting period from April 29, 2020 (first participant, first visit) to November 14, 2020 (cutoff
date). Both vaccine recipients were >55 years of age; one experienced a cardiac arrest 62 days
after vaccination #2 and died 3 days later, and the other died from arteriosclerosis 3 days after
vaccination #1. The placebo recipients died from myocardial infarction (n=1), hemorrhagic
stroke (n=1) or unknown causes (n=2); three of the four deaths occurred in the older group (>55
years of age). All deaths represent events that occur in the general population of the age groups
where they occurred, at a similar rate.

Clearly them placebos were mixed up with the real thing and something something mercury poisoning falsified records autism induced heart attack.

Did I reflect all of the tin foil, or did I forget something?

[tarmyg]

Clearly them placebos were mixed up with the real thing and something something mercury poisoning falsified records autism induced heart attack.

Did I reflect all of the tin foil, or did I forget something?

But but 5G brah........

[Gallowmere]

But but 5G brah........

Those reviews are fucking priceless.
Holy fucking shit, the Venn diagram between clinical retardation and conspiracy belief has got to have so much overlap so as to be a damn near perfect circle.

[DustMan]

That's so fucked lol. They bought it, because they are idiots, and then they took the time to complain about it on Amazon, how many people fell for and purchased these devices? I am somehow still surprised when I see shit like this.

[wango]

Whoa, surprised nobody mentioned the vaccine trial recipients that came down with Bell’s Palsy! Seriously, you want to potentially have a face droop that never improves? Holy crap, stop that vaccine!

Thing is, folks will likely continue getting EVERYTHING post vaccination at statistically similar rates to that found in the non-vaccinated population.

Is there a chance that something can go south with the vaccine? Perhaps. Is there a chance that December, January & February are going to have a scary increase in hospitalizations & deaths? Seriously?

Was it perhaps released too quickly before long term results and potential long term problems could be determined? Yes an argument could be made for that. But if you don’t want to take it, don’t - it is your right. Could there be ramifications if you don’t? Potentially yes, but those presenting those ramifications have rights as well and you just might have to deal with those as it was your choice to not vaccinate.

[wango]

But but 5G brah........

Please don’t let this be the cause of the bombing. I mean, I don’t “want” anything to be the “cause”, but I just read they are investigating his paranoia of 5G as being a possible cause.

[Test Monsterone]

Please don’t let this be the cause of the bombing. I mean, I don’t “want” anything to be the “cause”, but I just read they are investigating his paranoia of 5G as being a possible cause.

Another conspiracy theory brought to you by the makers of Obama wasn't born in the US, Bill Gates made COVID, COVID isn't real, Earth is not round, Pizzagate, they're coming to take your guns!, chem trails, vaccines cause autism... did I forget any?

Edit: oh yeah, deep state and Soros.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

And guess who just tweeted about 5G...

[Gallowmere]

And guess who just tweeted about 5G...

No clue. Twitter is fucking AIDS. Not sure what it is about the number 140 that brings out the worst aspects of humanity.

[Cuz]

No clue. Twitter is fucking AIDS. Not sure what it is about the number 140 that brings out the worst aspects of humanity.

Twitter, facebook, IG...its all a mental disease.

[wango]

Twitter, facebook, IG...its all a mental disease.

More and more I’m tending to agree with that statement.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

So...

first a 5G conspiracy nut blows up Nashville...

next a vaccine conspiracy nut destroys 500 doses...

And people wonder why I get worked up about people spreading bullshit...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/u...destroyed.html

"More than 500 vaccine doses were left out to spoil on purpose by a hospital employee."

[Gallowmere]

So...

first a 5G conspiracy nut blows up Nashville...

next a vaccine conspiracy but destroys 500 doses...

And people wonder why I get worked up about people spreading bullshit...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/u...destroyed.html

"More than 500 vaccine doses were left out to spoil on purpose by a hospital employee."

Jesus fucking Christ, what the hell is wrong with people?
I mean, we’ve been falling for agitprop bullshit for centuries, but goddamn.

[wango]

What’s been wrong with people refusing to wear masks, isolate, practice social distancing or flat out believing that Covid wasn’t / isn’t a hoax in March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December . . . . .

The Covid battle was lost in February & March imo, thanks to overall selfishness & knuckleheadedness. 500 vaccines? Hell that’s a fraction of the number of healthcare workers that are refusing to vaccinate. No way this country is going to get the 75% - 85% of the population vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity.

Do your selves and family a favor, by checking with your physician to see the status of hospitals and ERs in your area in case you need one. That way should you need to call for an ambulance or go to ER for an emergency, you’ll know if they can accept you or how long it could take to get in. Of course that’s regional.

[Gallowmere]

What’s been wrong with people refusing to wear masks, isolate, practice social distancing or flat out believing that Covid wasn’t / isn’t a hoax in March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December . . . . .

The Covid battle was lost in February & March imo, thanks to overall selfishness & knuckleheadedness. 500 vaccines? Hell that’s a fraction of the number of healthcare workers that are refusing to vaccinate. No way this country is going to get the 75% - 85% of the population vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity.

Do your selves and family a favor, by checking with your physician to see the status of hospitals and ERs in your area in case you need one. That way should you need to call for an ambulance or go to ER for an emergency, you’ll know if they can accept you or how long it could take to get in. Of course that’s regional.

Ehh, I have a life insurance policy big enough to bury my ass and pay off our mortgage, so I’ll take my chances. I’ve had it once, and if a reinfection somehow takes me from “felt like a cold for a few days” to “dead”, I wasn’t fit for continued existence to begin with.

[wango]

Ehh, I have a life insurance policy big enough to bury my ass and pay off our mortgage, so I’ll take my chances. I’ve had it once, and if a reinfection somehow takes me from “felt like a cold for a few days” to “dead”, I wasn’t fit for continued existence to begin with.

Precisely my point (not the point of you not being fit for existence).

Not enough percentage vaccinate, no herd immunity, virus continues and mutates - oops, Covid comes back in a new improved form. There’s the rub!

Scratching my head, the police were tipped off over a year ago by the bomber’s GF that he was making explosives in his RV.

[Gallowmere]

Precisely my point (not the point of you not being fit for existence).

Not enough percentage vaccinate, no herd immunity, virus continues and mutates - oops, Covid comes back in a new improved form. There’s the rub!

Scratching my head, the police were tipped off over a year ago by the bomber’s GF that he was making explosives in his RV.

The problem is, even with vaccination, if we’ve even slightly mistimed it or misjudged the strain (even if enough were to get it), and heavy mutation has occurred, the vaccine can be rendered largely ineffective. We see this every year with Influenza, so to expect something as contagious as CoV-2 to be knocked out in one swipe is foolhardy at best, and outright dangerous at worst.
Again, I’m not anti-vaccine by any stretch, but considering that I’ve already had CoV-2, I gain nothing from bothering. Let someone who hasn’t been infected yet have it, because either way, it amounts to nothing for me, and it serves better going to someone with a lower probability of survival. Same reason I don’t bother with flu vaccines, especially in years when there are notable shortages.
Then you have assholes like the guy destroying viable doses making it even more of a selfish act for me to get something that benefits me not at all, and potentially take it away from someone else.

[wango]

The problem is, even with vaccination, if we’ve even slightly mistimed it or misjudged the strain (even if enough were to get it), and heavy mutation has occurred, the vaccine can be rendered largely ineffective. We see this every year with Influenza, so to expect something as contagious as CoV-2 to be knocked out in one swipe is foolhardy at best, and outright dangerous at worst.
Again, I’m not anti-vaccine by any stretch, but considering that I’ve already had CoV-2, I gain nothing from bothering. Let someone who hasn’t been infected yet have it, because either way, it amounts to nothing for me, and it serves better going to someone with a lower probability of survival. Same reason I don’t bother with flu vaccines, especially in years when there are notable shortages.
Then you have assholes like the guy destroying viable doses making it even more of a selfish act for me to get something that benefits me not at all, and potentially take it away from someone else.

I agree with much of what you said, particularly about vaccines and flu. Covid, like the flu is a coronavirus and will mutate. However just like the 1918 flu mutated 3 separate times in one prolonged season, Covid may do the same. There already is a new strain that is considered far more contagious. Heck, there’s a chance that already this vaccine can be rendered less effective.

However to yourself and others who have had it, you can possibly get it again. In the 1918 flu it was reported that people got sick for each of the three waves.

I too am not ant-vaccine, however, I’m not taking it as the long term effects have not been researched. I know exactly how I can catch Covid and my odds of hospitalization/death, why risk it.

My original point of what’s wrong with people is that we almost hit 4,000 deaths yesterday and the numbers will likely climb. Coincidentally 4 million people flew during Thanksgiving and I believe that’s almost doubled for Christmas. 500 doses of vaccine being destroyed by that individual is criminal, but in light of what we are seeing and will continue to see because of gatherings/travel during the holidays is peanuts imo.